except all that BS about her husbadn not winning till june is crap. technically, he didn't get enough delgates till june, but he was the only candidate left after new hampshire or something like that. so its not exactly a fair comparison.

and as far as assasination thing goes, she really wants to make the case to stay in because obama might get shot?!

what a horrible human being hillary clinton is. seriously. thats a disgusting tactic from a disgusting politician who will say or do anything to retain her power and stave off the realization that she is becoming more and more irrelevant every single day.

This is beyond.

It's one thing to defend ones words as being politically "canny," or showing that you're "tough," or excusing them because you're "sleep deprived." And maaaaaybe you could even defend the context around remarks like "hard-working white people" and "obliterate Iran," - but this? And just days after Ted Kennedy's health announcement?

There are things elected leaders do not say, ever. This is beyond bad judgement. Or being sleep-deprived. Or being politically tough.

This is a revelation of a character flaw so serious, in this individual, that it cannot be explained or apologized away. Part of who this person is, is simply.... not right. Certainly for the position she pursues, with its responsibilities.

So much for the VP slot, and so much for being considered for the Supreme Court (which I heard being kicked around of late).

Wow. Just...WOW.

Sad. She just can't seem to give an interview lately without making a major gaffe. I don't believe for a moment that she would ever wish for harm to come to anyone as it did to RFK. However, her sudden inability to articulate seems troublesome. If I wanted to play pop psychologist, I'd say that maybe she wants out of this herself.

Anyway, this comment strikes me as a gaffe, worrisome only in that it is one of a string of gaffes that might indicate some problem that could impede her ability to communicate effectively as president. However, Clinton's latest communication problems are nothing when set in comparison to the incredibly inane and troublesome remarks McCain seems to be in the habit of making every day. There's no comparison.

And this is just a communication issue -- Clinton has a sharp mind; I have no doubt about her abilities.

The reason I have not supported her as a candidate is because of the things that she has thought out, said, and meant as a matter of policy -- things like, "I would obliterate Iran." That's the kind of thing I worry about.

(But at least she doesn't sing about it . . . Oy! As an aside, have we really sunk so low as a country that we can have a presidential candidate who sang about the destruction of another country? It's beyond understanding; maybe that's why we don't necessarily get the horror of it.)

Clinton's statement is stupid. It may be hurtful to the Kennedy's -- I don't know how I would take a light remark about the murder of my family member. However, in the larger schema it is relatively unimportant. Her statement that she would "obliterate Iran" is terrifying.

I agree, M.J. I'm beyond shock. When I heard what she said, it was like someone kicked the wind out of me. And this filthy creature wants to be considered for the vice presidency? If I was Obama, I'd issue a standing order that she not be allowed anywhere near the White House.

A gaffe? Hasn't she mentioned RFK several times before in other speeches, in the same way?

I would really, really like to think about this as just the latest, if unusually awful, example of what human beings who are working 18 or 20 hour days for months on end are capable of saying when they are exhausted and bereft of their better judgment.

This is really just inexcusable. A new low for this campaign season, and maybe going back quite a ways, has been achieved. This might be a candidate for the next Southwest Airlines commercial "Wanna get away?" moment. If it were some laughing matter. Goodness gracious.

Re: Clinton's "invocation":

From "Head of State"

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/vice-presidential-candidate-clinton.html

Friday, May 23, 2008

A Hypothetical Speech by Vice Presidential Candidate Clinton

Thank you for welcoming me here tonight. I know that we are all proud of Barack, who has risen from humble beginnings to such heights--great heights, perilous heights. As you may know, 30% of serious accidents occur from a height of 10 feet or above.

And so we now set out together on our journey--a journey of hope, a journey of change, and yes, a journey of great demands. For the Presidency places great demands on all of those who hold the office--we have seen how amazingly quickly it can age people in the poignant photographs of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was succeeded by Harry S. Truman while still in office.

In this journey, we will put forward our shared goals--of expanded health coverage, against the unexpected and often fatal illnesses that can rob even those citizens that seem the healthiest of their ability to work, even of their lives.

Of protection against unexpected attack on our country, often aimed at those who are placed in the most critical positions to lead this nation. Of conservation of our precious energy resources, without which, even the most powerful of us can wind up stranded in a desert motorcade, without food, water, or wireless reception to contact others for help. Of greater support for culture and the arts--beginning with increased support for our very own Ford's Theatre here in Washington, DC.

Many of you will hear Barack speak later today, from a platform in Norman, Oklahoma--a humble platform, a rickety platform, a platform susceptible to Norman's notoriously strong and unexpected winds. There--god willing--he will tell you of what we hope to accomplish. He will speak of the unity that he and I wish to achieve for this nation, just as Andrew Johnson and Lincoln strove for such national unity. And he will tell you of our wish for change.

Change. An important word. None of us can know the changes that will occur in our lives. None of us can predict what momentous events, what disasters may befall us. A simple damaged left engine turbine stabilizer in a campaign plane. A frayed electrical line dangling, unseen, from a remote access satellite hookup van. A safe, falling, unexpectedly, to the sidewalk from the 8th floor of the Hotel Aldion in Norman, Oklahoma.

And so, we must dedicate ourselves, consecrate ourselves, to reach these most important national objectives today--while we still can. And like Kennedy, Garfield, McKinley, and other Presidents before him, we know that Barack will strive to achieve these goals--in the face of the awesome unknowns that lay before us all.

Thank you.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/vice-presidential-candidate-clinton.html

Oh, come on people. It is time to stop looking for any reason to cut down Hillary.

She was simply making the point that RFK did not have the nomination secured yet that summer. She was using the assination event as a mark in time - an event we remember and can associate with June.

This kind of angry snipping and cutting down of honorable party leaders is why I will not want to identified as an Obama support (not wear Obama button, etc.). I will vote for him to save the Supreme Court but I can not identify with these terrible people and will not advertise it.

Wouldn't it be helpful to have Hillary and those of us who support her on Obama's side?

>>>Wouldn't it be helpful to have Hillary and those of us who support her on Obama's side?

Of course it would Tower, but Sen. Clinton is making that very difficult. At best, her remark was a careless and insensitive gaffe. She has repeatedly said that her husband hadn't sewn up the nomination until June. The bring up the RFK assassination now seems really odd -- and unnecessary. Maybe she should just get some sleep.

Hillary has stepped over a line with her remark about Bobby Kennedy's assassination. Hillary supporters at taylor marsh have been fantasizing about her as Obama's veep so that she can gain her rightful place when he is assassinated. Or so I've heard since I don"t inhabit that sphere.

My AA friends were worried about assassination when Obama first started talking about running and they were against it because of their fear. I've heard he has received threats. For someone like me who remembers exactly where I was and what I was doing the day JFK was killed and who sat in front of the television through the dramatic mourning period and furneral it is inconceivable that any person in Hillary's position would talk of assassination as she did. The woman is toxic.

It was absolutely classless of her to bring it up around the time of Ted Kennedy's recent diagnosis. The same goes here about voting for Clinton if she were the nominee to save the supreme court and keep the women in my life safe from the wingnuts in power. We have to vote democrat no matter what for the sake of the country, but seriously...seriously, how f*cking inappropriate. I will give her the benefit that she was clearly on a rant and grabbing for examples, but I'm literally beside myself.

So Sen. Clinton wants everybody to accept it as a innocent misspeak, however ran Obama and "bittergate" into the ground in Pennsylvania? Is only Hillary allowed to misspeak? And just like Tuzla/Sniperfire, she's made this statement more than once and before Ted Kennedy's health scare.

She could have easily mentioned the 1984 Mondale/Hart primary that went into June to make her point.

You know, to me it doesn't matter what she meant. If she didn't know the impact that an RFK assassination reference would make right before the month he was assassinated, that is equally disturbing.

As she once said to Gen. Petraeus at a hearing on Iraq, It requires a suspension of disbelief.

I support Obama. Sometimes I'm ashamed of other Obama supporters who can be as nasty to Hillary as the right wing is. Its disheartening.

Hillary's explanation does not let her off the hook. This is the same woman who beat Senator Obama over the head about the words, bitter, and cling.

There are some reports out there that this is not the first time that Hillary has mentioned the Robert Kennedy assassination.

Considering her string of Tuzla lies, then her "white Americans" remark, and now to have her bring up the Robert Kennedy assassination, and to then claim that she just did not realize how sensitive an issue it was, makes her unsuitable for to be on the ticket.

We can not have a VP who makes so many offensive remarks, and then always claims that she did not anticipate how they might be offensive. Some one who is that slipshod with words would cause an international incident every couple of weeks.

Hillary refers to a sad milestone in American political history. The fact the Bobby Kennedy was about to change the outcome of the Democratic primary in JUNE, yes JUNE and the Circle Jerk of Hatred (formerly known as TPM Comments) is now saying that she is openly calling for the assasination of her opponent.

Pick up a history book and then READ it.

Sheesh... And that means you MJ!

Why would anyone take offense with what she said unless you specifically wanted to take offense to it.

no one is taking offense to what she said how could you even imply that people would take offense. And how could you imply that people would even think that she would ever say anything offensive.

just stick to the issues and the facts because that is what decided this campaign along time ago.

Someone tell Hillary that the California primary was held a long time ago, so her June excuse is more of her patented bullshit. She caught the virus from Turdblossom after she gave it a big wet kiss just a few days ago.

Until 1996, the California primary was always at the end of the process so things kept going until June.

Oy, vey, Hillary. Is this another case of not knowing the rules? Not only did she ignore the rules for caucuses, but she can't even remember the primary schedule 12 years ago. I wish the press (or even TPM) would focus on her careless ignorance of the universe outside her own head.

Hillary is like some reckless driver who knocks down a gas pump, causing gasoline to spill all around. "Hard working White Americans" is the gasoline. She then takes out the assassination match and strikes it.

She is a very dangerous firebug.

It's 3am...and Hillary is showing her true colors...

Someone posted this on the CBS news site...it would be a lot funnier if it wasn't so true....

"I''''m staying in the race and you should support me because everyone knows someone is going to take out the black man. I''''m Hillary Clinton and I approves this message."

Rosenberg, you said it yourself on May 21st, and I quote MJ Rosenberg:

"Barring accident (God knows this is a violent country so that caveat is always in order), the Democratic party is going to nominate a black man for President of the United States."-MJ Rosenberg

What kind of accident were you thinking of as representative of America being a violent country? Not only are you a kingmaker, but Hillary reads your posts!