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I have maintained for a while that oil prices (and perhaps other commodities as well) are being driven higher not by the laws of supply and demand, but by the moves of speculators. This morning the Dow Jones news-wire reported the following.


OPEC member Iran is storing about 25 million barrels of heavy crude oil in tankers in the Persian Gulf. The country expects to move the stored crude by the end of the second quarter or early in the third quarter, an official from the National Iranian Oil Co. said Wednesday.



In other words, there is so little demand that they have completely used up their on shore storage capacity and don't expect to clear this inventory until October. Clearly it is time for Senator Byron Dorgan's Bill to raise commodity margin requirements. All of this talk from our President and others about third world growth being responsible for dramatically higher commodity prices is nonsense. It's his old friends in the trading pits that are responsible for creating yet another bubble. Is it possible that our new reliance on finance (as opposed to production) as the engine of our economy requires us always to create speculative bubbles? First Internet stocks, then housing, now commodities.


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Could you explain how the speculators doing this? I'm not an economist but I would like to know how they can pull this trick

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Trend following.

But raising margin requirements won't stop them when Bernanke's handing them free money. Raise the discount rate to 6% and the speculators will be out of business.

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But if he raises interest rates to 6% right now, with the economy so weak, the rest of us will be out of business as well. Liquidity is the engine.

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Well, that is the common wisdom, but there's no evidence that it's true.

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Great post, Jonathan.

The unreported part of this is that China isn't paying the market price for oil. China made a very clever move through its state controlled companies -- it went into western and sub-Saharan Africa and agrteed to build or fund infrastructure in ezxchange for discounted oil. So all talk of China driving demand is nonsense. They are not paying $120 a barrel. They cut deals that were discounted to market price back when the market price was well below $80.

@destor23

The unreported part of this is that China isn't paying the market price for oil.

Uhh... If they're paying a lower price than market that encourages internal demand...or do you know something about supply and demand which escapes the rest of us?

Also Bloomberg runs daily charts on world supply and demand for oil. Last I looked supply was at 87mbpd while demand was above 88.

Finally, speculators are anticipating further price rises. If they're right preventing speculation will simply deprive the speculators of their profit, it won't change the basics.

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If you have a locked in price deal for a commodity, as China does with oil from western and Sub-Saharan Africa, then you only effect the open markets by draining the demand side and driving up the costs for everyone else. There's nothing about the supply/demand rule that precludes side deals and that's what China has-- the rest of us are paying for China's clever side deals the same way that the common shareholder pays for the discounted shares that corporate execs pay when they're given restricted stock.

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China is still "driving demand" i.e. increasing scarcity, by increasing consumption. War and speculation are also greatly amplifying oil costs.

More than anything else it's just another bubble though.

We're into a 3rd bubble now, from the IT bubble, to the housing bubble, to the oil bubble. There's too much investment capital and too little real investment opportunities thanks to lousy monetary policy and lack of long term investment.

Until regulation is put in place and until we invest in real and long term projects, we'll be in a perpetually bubbled economy.

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How about a simple rule?

No financial institution which has any access whatsoever to Federal Reserve Bank funds may invest in or loan to others who invest in commodities or commodity derivatives.

Why should our money be used against us by JPMorgan and its Greenwich hedge funds clients to drive up our prices?

Ellen, short the oil market tomorrow buying shares of DUG. May options have kept the price up this week. They expire tomorrow, and we should see a nice downdraft from here going into June.

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How about selling July Light Sweet Crude futures, instead?

LOL, i didn't know you were a player. Futures have expirations and you can lose way more then you invested. ETF's don't expire. The technicals and fundamentals all point down, but the problem with playing the dark side of crude are the Ahmadenijad's of the world that can raise the price overnight with an angry word. These factors cannot be predicted.

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Nah, just a reader.

And from "Three Days of the Condor":

- Where did he learn evasive moves?
- He reads.



- He r--
- What the hell does that mean?



It means, sir,
that he reads everything.

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Interesting that you mention that story because it was ultimately about securing Arab oil. And I've always been amused that the book took six days while the movie only took three.

so, the title of your next non-fiction book should be Tales From The Armchair Expert

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I agree with you wholeheartedly and for the past nine months I have written to my Senator,Chris Dodd Chair of the Senate Banking Committee and others on this very point. I have raised the point with staff at CNBC. No response from anyone. It's pretty common knowledge that there is little supply shortage in the oil market and that the price over $120 bbl is carrying both a speculative, financial premium and a security premium. You can not disregard the weak dollar as well in the global pricing of oil. Many believe the price would be $60-70 bbl without speculation, and to the extent that you raise margin requirements, now that money is getting tight, you will curtail speculation. Margin requirements are currently about 5% compared to margin requirements on equity transactions which are set by the Fed and are 50%. But one of the biggest players in the oil market is Goldman, Sachs and with former Goldman execs as Secy of Treasury and Bush's Chief of Staff, and functioning as a shadow government, you're not going to make any headway against the free marketeers. What's going on is a real tragedy. People blame Exxon but essentially they are a neutral player. Ben Stein has a great column in Everybody's Business" about this in the Sunday NY Times May 7th Business section.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/business/11every.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Ben+Stein&st=nyt&oref=slogin

@destor23

the rest of us are paying for China's clever side deals

No different than the rest of us paying for any other clever deal - such as speculators going long - is it?

The underlying basics are obvious; supply is barely keeping up with demand and demand is growing rapidly - Taplin's claims notwithstanding. How bright do you have to be to see that China's and India's demand for energy is increasing at an enormous rate? Just read the stickers on almost any manufactured item you buy, or pay attention to who's providing services and software.

As for speculators with almost no supply cushion even a very small increase in the amount stored (what speculators do) will result in a huge price increase.

Thanks for the info. Now I understand (somewhat) how speculators can actually drive prices up even when demand is going down.

I disagree with your analysis and conclusion. The world uses 87 million barrels of oil a day. The world has trouble processing heavy crude oil. The world needs light sweet but that has peaked.

The fact that Iran is trying to store a fraction of a day's oil, and poor quality heavy oil to boot, is not proof of anything.

It isn't and seems more like your conclusion is in search of proof and you've stumbled (or searched for) something to prove what you believe.

But as I said: a fraction of a day's use of oil. It's meaningless. Specifically given the fact that supply/demand gyrations in a market such as the current one would result in over production at times.

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Good point.

There isn't a lot of demand for heavy crude due to the absence of refineries capable of handling it -- outside the U.S., not one of Iran's favored importers, I've heard.

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That's a bad ($) link. This should be the free Google link.

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Could you explain how the speculators doing this?

I don't think Jonathan can - its impossible, see Krugman:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/more-on-oil-and-speculation/

Two quotes: "there are only two things you can do with the world’s oil production: consume it, or store it....you have to believe that 2 million barrels a day is disappearing into secret hoards somewhere — secret, because it’s not showing up in the OECD inventory data. That’s a lot of oil. And bear in mind that people have been claiming that there’s an oil bubble for years.

So my challenge to people who say there’s an oil bubble is this: let’s get physical. Tell me where you think the excess supply of crude is going."

The Iranian tankers don't cut it: 25 mln. barrels (the amount quoted by Jonathan) is less than 30% of DAILY world oil production, about 6 days worth of Iranian production and about 10 days worth of Iranian export. It took me less than 5 min. to find out. Why couldn't Jonathan do that before posting?

it did seem bizarre to me. Will read Krugman. Thanks for the info

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"it did seem bizarre to me. Will read Krugman."

Very good idea. Here's his column about the oil non-bubble:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12krugman.html

Another reason to read Krugman regularly: Jonathan thinks he's a bad guy:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/22/paul_krugmans_hypocrisy/

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A few days ago, Paul Krugman penned a column arguing that there was no evidence of speculation. But I am not buying it. Krugman did an admirable job of laying out the standard economic theory of how rising demand begets rising prices which begets rising investment to meet rising demand. But in point of fact, that is not what is happening. There is NO rising investment, as a recent inspection of Exxon-Mobil's financial statements shows (and which further confirms a study by the Baker Institute earlier this year which showed that none of the U.S. oil major are ramping up investment). Why is there no increase in investment? The interposition of speculators who are taking most of the "profits" (rather than the oil producers) would be one hypothesis that closely fits the known facts. And there's the rub: as explained here - http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE06Dj07.html - the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which was written by Wall Street lawyers, exempted OTC (non-exchange) trading of energy commodities by large firms (i.e., hedge funds and the big Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs), thereby rendering next to useless the legally mandated “Large Trader Reports” that the Commodity Futures Trading Commission previously used to spot and monitor large speculative positions.

Incredibly, Krugman and other commentators are conveniently forgetting a June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report, "The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices" which concluded that "there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased prices". As the Asia Times Online piece notes, “As much as 60% of today's crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds.” But the hard data needed to really know is no longer available.

And then there are the comments last year by Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi, squarely blaming speculators for driving up oil prices. If anyone should know, thus guy should. Why don’t stories like Krugman’s provide figures on how much the increase in Saudi oil revenues actually correspond to what would be expected if the Saudis, not speculators, were capturing most of the price increase?

According to a January 2007 article in Business Week - http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jan2007/db20070116_499932.htm -

“The explosion in the number of financial players in the energy markets has occurred particularly in the past year or two. There are currently 530 energy hedge funds, according to Fusaro, up from just 180 in October, 2004. Of the total funds now, 177 are strictly energy commodity funds trading oil or oil futures and options, as opposed to the stocks of energy companies such as ExxonMobil (XOM) and Chevron (CVX). Larger financial institutions such as Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanley (MS) have also stepped up their participation in the energy markets recently.”

Finally, since August of last year we have seen a collapse of some of the most bizarre and complicated financial derivatives markets. Where is all the money going that formerly went into those markets? My bet is that they are going into commodities futures. And in fact, that is exactly what the president of the National Farmers Union told a panel of the Joint Economic Committee of the U.S. Congress two weeks ago. He explained how, since the financial crash began, so much speculative money has flowed into agricultural futures that grain elevators, food processors, and farmers, have been essentially squeezed out because they just don’t have the financial wherewithal to stay and play with the big Wall Street money.

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Thanks, very informative.

.I just don't see how futures traders can force the price of crude to go up, by what? rolling futures?

My guess is that the oil producers are "speculating" that it is better to keep oil underground than extract it because:
1) It is a diminishing resource and 2) Why pump it out now (at say full capacity) when if you pump it in the future you get a better price?

That's why I said (half in jest) that perhaps we need some gunboat diplomacy

Of course, it is speculators that control the price now. This is a well-known comment.

The reason is simple: we are past peak oil. Before 1973, the US used to be able to control the price by pumping more out of the ground to stabilize things. This was when we were the largest oil exporter.

Then that role passed to the Saudis. But since 2005, the Saudis haven't been able to pump more out of the ground -- despite promises to do so and a growing demand.

There is no "swing producer" any longer. That was a real position of power... now it's no one.

You therefore have the price being set by people determining the futures markets.

Add into this mix that 80% of the known reserves are not even accessible on the open market and are controlled by nationalized oil companies.

It's not the 1960's anymore.

All this is putting pressure on the US dollar and weakening which, in turn, triggers the OPEC nations to drop the "petrodollar" and use another, or a mixed basket of currencies.

Which will really screw the US economy.

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What he said.

Also, remember that speculators don't profit by driving prices up. They profit by correctly predicting prices, hence are sensitive to rising or falling demand, possible interruptions in supply, rumors of war, etc. If demand wasn't rising, and supply not keeping up, they wouldn't be betting on higher prices.

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It has been widely "speculated" in print by knowledgeable, intelligence sources that the US has been aggressively adding to the SPR at the present oil price and additionally, building additional SPR storage, to accommodate plans for an October strike against Iran.

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A link would be nice -- or prmco, we could call on the guys in the white coats carrying the butterfly nets to visit you.

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I can't link to the article because it's a subscription pay for access service, however it's written by George Friedman at Stratfor and the web site link is: www.stratfor.com

Hold off on the women in the white coats just for now, or better, send them to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

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See if you can bypass the subscription requirement via Google the way I did, above.

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If the white coats are still around, try reading MJ Rosenberg's latest post here on TPM Cafe about President George W. Bush's visit to Israel and his "promise". As I said, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, is the sick call!

@prmco

Do the numbers. The amount the U.S. government may be stockpiling is very small compared to total world demand. Given the lack of cushion that can significantly affect price but so what? The basics are unchanged.

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My post elicited a note from a friend in the intelligence community.
http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/from-a-friend/

@Taplin

So what's your estimate of the correct, speculation free, market-driven cost of a barrel of oil? Such a thing can never exist, of course, because speculation - anticipation of future price followed by appropriate action - is an essential part of how we deal with the future, but still you have some conception of it, some idea of what you consider a "fair" price.

Because, I must tell you, I think you're full of it. On one hand we have Goodstein, Krugman, Simmons and the market. On the other we have you and your unnamed friend in the intelligence community (spy? Janitor? Electrician?).

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@Ellen

I've been warned not to say things like that but I guess it's ok to laugh

This is what happens when capital gains are tax privileged at 15% versus 35% for ordinary profits.

Instead of capital gains profit being economically invested into production of real wealth, the fruits of production are squandered into speculative financial investments that create nothing but bubbles and inflation.

The tax rates should be reversed.

I'll reiterate: I think facts and respect for truth are extremely important. I've been following energy markets and the idea of peak oil for years, and this post--which attribute high oil prices to speculation based upon a fraction of a day's worth of heavy crude--is unsubstantiated data mining and cherry picking.

The world is approaching peak oil. The number of rigs and related equipment that can be mustered in short order is limited. Saudi Arabia is likely in decline or a plateau (e.g. Matthew Simmons). Russia is probably peaking.

This is not speculation. It's the market operating on sound information: energy is worth a lot more than we thought.

Bringing in anecdotes of hoarding does not address the sound analysis that, for example, the oildrum has been focusing on this issue for years now.

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Also, some of what they call speculation is simply the result of an increasingly complex world market.

BTW, just a few weeks ago, Iran decided to trade their oil in euros or yen, but not dollars. The last country to challenge the petrodollar was Iraq. Is it any wonder the administration is threatening to bomb Iran?

The surge in energy prices is taking place as investors seek refuge in commodities to offset a slowing economy and a declining dollar.

Analysts pointed out that financial institutions like pension funds and hedge funds are also buying oil and other commodities like gold as hedges against a rise in inflation.

Jeebus, that sounds scary.

Krugman says it's not speculation, but if indeed OPEC member Iran is sitting on a suplus of black-guck, and IT is - after all OPEC does this kind of price fixing.

Krugman says it's not speculation but as volatile as prices have been, I mean two-weeks ago the price at the pump was $3.00 a gallon - now BOOM - it's $3.50 a gallon, HOW can it NOT be wild speculation? When the oil bubble pops, I think it's going to make the Enron story look like childs play. The carnages is going to be tremendous.

This is what happens when you let a pack of criminals into the Whitehouse, and those two use taxpayer money as a massive sweeptstakes clearhouse of freebies to their good buddies. Bush and Cheney are the biggest whitecollar criminals ever and the GOP help em do this to our nation every step of the way.

The problem with oil is, it's not really gold. And if it can go up this fast, it can go down fast too.

so, the title of your next non-fiction book should be Tales From The Armchair Expert

Unfortunately, this person, not unlike many other sheep in our country, hasn't the slightest clue about this. Oil prices are related to specuation but not as much as this writer says. Think about it. Would OPEC allow the US stock market, futures market or Wall St. in general to take control of the largest industry in the world, oil? Of course not. Here is some good info on how and why oil prices are up:

Unfortunately, this person, not unlike many other sheep in our country, hasn't the slightest clue about this. Oil prices are related to speculation but not as much as this writer says. Think about it. Would OPEC allow the US stock market, futures market or Wall St. in general to take control of the largest industry in the world, oil? Of course not. Here is some good info on how and why oil prices are up:

In response to "speculation" question(s), I've got a moment to explain the truth, the reality of the situation this morning. Here is my answer with more emphasis on the speculation part toward the bottom:

You know what makes me laugh? How Americans are completely oblivious about how to really lower the cost of oil. Look at what senators (LIBERAL FUCK NOSES) are doing. Did you see the hearing that senate had yesterday with the oil companies? Shame on them!!!! They disgust me! And people fall for it. Dick Durban says to Exxon/Mobile in their inquisition yesterday, "don't you feel ashamed of what you're doing to the American people? Don't you feel ashamed of the money you're taking out of the American people's pockets? Don't you feel ashamed to be paying the CEO of mobile/exxon 22 million a year salary?"

You know what I'd had said to them but most republicans are so weak they can't?

Senator DICK Durbin... don't YOU feel ashamed that YOU, YOUR government makes a 25% margin on every gallon of gas or $50 cents per gallon? Senator DICK Durbin, you weasly, smart ass know nothing communist, are YOU ashamed that YOUR government makes more per gallon with your TAXES than the actual oil company, the ones who are doing ALL THE WORK?!? So let me get this straight, YOU MR. DICK Durbin, make 4x what the oil company makes and you don't do anything for it. We spend money drilling, we pay your leftist environmentalists money which only raises the price of gas, ie, look at the ethanol in California and the extra 50 cents it costs per gallon to appease the nut ball leftist commmies Mr. DICK Durbin. We make 8.5 cents per gallon profit. What do you make Mr. Senator??? I'll tell you, 50 cents per gallon. Whose the thief now Mr. FAKE LYING DICK Durbin?

You want to talk about taking money out of the American people's pockets Mr. DICK Durbin? Let's do that. How about relying on the Saudis and other Middle Eastern sources? Talk about taking the money out of the American people's pockets. What do you think happens when we send $130 dollars a barrel over seas is? What is THAT Mr. DICK Durbin? You want to strengthen the dollar, let's start there Mr. FAKE Durbin. What do you think happens when we send billions over daily for oil? I'll tell you what happens Mr. FAKE Durbin, since everything you're doing is politically motivated and you're nothing but a shyster, let me tell you. Those pole smokers take OUR dollar and use it against us. They fund terrorism you IDIOT! If you want to stop taking money out of our pockets, then DRILL, DRILL, DRILL, DRILL! What will happen is this. First, when the Saudis, Iraqis, whomever sees that we don't need their stinking oil, they'll lower the price. Next, if we have more of it over here, the price will drop! You won't drill off the coast of Florida or California (while blaming it on Bush and the Oil companies, too funny.) but China and Venezuela can. So they're going to get the 100 year leases off the coast of OUR FUCKING COUNTRY because the libs are too scared to hurt the environment. Yeah, so let China do it, since they're such environmentalists... DUMB! The libs will bitch and claim that we're being ripped off by Bush and his oil cronies but it's THEM WHO WON'T LET US DRILL!!!!! They SUCK!

You talk about a 22 million dollar CEO salary? WHO CARES!!!! It's not for you to discuss, manage, allocate differently, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!! Let's talk about an average actor's salary for ONE FILM... shall we? That's 20 million per flick, right there. Should their salary be confiscated as well you socialist PIG! Here we have the CEO of the BIGGEST CONGLOMERATE organization, OIL and you think that 22 million is too much? The work of a year for a huge company with a ton of responsibility but 22 million is TOO MUCH???? Oh please! Even if it were 100 million a year, SO WHAT, it's NO ONES BUSINESS!!!! It's a private enterprise you socialist, communist fucko! So if 22 million is too much for a private industry's CEO's salary, then isn't Rush Limbaugh making too much at 100 million a year and isn't Brad Pitt making too much at 20 million a picture? Are you going to start confiscating their salaries as well you commie? Business is in business for a reason. PROFIT! It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS you jealous communist bastards. Leave them ALONE!!!!!! It makes me sick that these people are even on the stand. Talk about rights? This is how the left is slowly dismantling our constitution and our rights! It's a private industry! Leave it alone!

You know what's funny.... all the money markets, IRAs, FUNDS of sorts, whatever are loaded up with these gas stocks so if you really want to trash their names, if you really want to take away their profits, then what are you going to do when that artificial adjustments to gas prices (like your STUPID CAP AND REG on gas, the STUPIDEST IDEA EVER which ultimately leads to even HIGHER and HIGHER and HIGHER prices and less competition!) causes a negative effect on gas stocks and there is a sudden plunge in the stock market and people, regular every day Joes who own a few stocks here and there (the majority of the type of person who owns these BIG oil stocks that are supposedly owned by BIG OIL LORDS...). Are you going to jump into that arena next and try and regulate the stock market Mr. DICK Durbin? (These people think that they can just turn this entire country into a socialist Mecca, which is what is happening under the liberals! It's like how when the libs, Nancy Pelosi included claim that the Bush administration is hiding stuff when they don't allow the other branches of government look through certain stuff. You know why they don't let them look through it? I'll tell you why! The 3 branches of government are separate from each other, they work as a checks and balances on one another but are separate and have NO RIGHT to go through the others stuff. It's like your neighbor telling you that he wants to go through your house and look for something. Would you let him? Probably not and not just because you don't want them to for the sake of privacy but these democrats aren't looking for any one thing, they purposely set these searches up (which they'll NEVER be happy with until they find something) to find ANYTHING. They look for ANYTHING. They're not looking for one thing but ANYTHING. So if you tell me, as my neighbor, that you think I stole your dog and that you want to go through my house but not for the dog but to find ANYTHING at all to create problems for me or in this case for this administration, I wouldn't want you going through my stuff either. When the rights of people are on the line, it's a whole big thing but when it's the rights of this administration, there are no rights. Knowing that they're going to rummage until they find anything and then bring that anything into the light, even if it's nothing but it looks like something or looks like it may cause some new doubts or problems in this administration, you wouldn't want people going through your shit either!) If I could give you a good analogy on that one: You tell me I'm a drug dealer. I tell you I'm not. I know I'm not and you know I'm not but you're not telling me I'm a dealer to get my in trouble as a dealer but to get into other personal business. You know that by claiming I'm a drug dealer, it'll cause enough chaos to get others interested and get others knocking at my door, checking to see if I'm actually a dealer or not. You know that, in order to clear my name, I have to 1. allow them in or 2. prove some other way that I'm not a dealer. You know that if I let you in, you will not find any drugs implicating I'm a dealer but you may find a note that says, "Hey, meet me at 1st and Pine Ave if you want your stuff." Now this may mean a zillion and one things but once the media gets a hold of it, you're at their spinmeister mercy to make the claim of just about anything. That one note, one sentence can implicate you as being a million different things. For all you know, in the next day's paper, it could read, "(Your name here) meets mistress at 1st and Pine Ave on daily basis for years." Now do you see why we wouldn't want your neighbor or in this administration's case the other branches sneaking around, especially when their main MISSION is to slander, defame, destroy, create doubt in your life. This is one reason there are 3 branches of governement. True, to keep the checks and balances in line but some will use that to their advantage and not in a lawful manner.

I would then say this to that bastard:

You know how many countries that we buy oil from are crocked and evil? Do you know how many of these countries take OUR PROFIT and use it for bad things? Many and most of them. Venezuela, Iraq, Mexico, Canada (they're okay), Russia (Putin as evil as evil itself.). You so called democrats, liberals or whatever you call yourselves "we're for the little guy, we care about people who are oppressed" DICK DURBIN asswipe, you basically fund TERRORISM and EVIL and you have the gall to come down on Exxon/Mobile and the Bush administration for wanting to DRILL into our own natural resources, our own God given oil, ultimately weaning off the oil nipple and ultimately funding LESS evil and LESS terrorism! Oh, but that wouldn't make the Bush administration look bad anymore, would it? It's just like the war. The dems would rather lose the war to save face than win it and realize they were wrong, AGAIN! They're selfish nihilists and NOTHING MORE!

I don't know how people in this country are so stupid! Now, let's talk about something that you bring up quite often.... speculation. The media would like you to think that speculation is the dog and the stock is the tail and that the dog is wagging the tail or in this case, the speculation is controlling the price of the stock. Wrong. I don't care what you read and who says it, it does NOT work that way. The only speculation that is involved in gas prices is the prices of certain gas stocks and the futures of oil, crude to be exact. Now, think of it like this. You're a trader. You wake up in the morning. Grab the paper. You see that Venezuela is experiencing uprisings, that the president Chavez is being overthrown. You get to the floor and you do what? You buy short term oil futures or stocks (as long as the volatility isn't already priced into the equation but leaving that out and leaving it simple...) with the chaos in Venezuela in mind. What is going to happen to the price of that stock or future? Pretty obvious. It's going to go up. Now, as a trader, are you going to be on the other side of that stock? (not without a hedge in place, that's for sure.) No, you're going to get in on the trade, ride the wave until you hit the top and then sell. Well, guess what? Over the last few years, long term positions have not shown it to be sensible to sell. Until oil- supply, drilling, whatever is increased, oil will continue going up. As an inventor, you will NOT sell, unless you're a bad investor, trader, speculator. The speculation is the BOTTOM of the price of barrels of oil, the price is not the bottom of the speculation. Do you see?

Until we increase our refineries, increase drilling and stop focusing on oil in the middle east, we are going to continue paying high amounts, especially if we're purchasing a good portion of our oil in the international market, where other countries are willing to pay 4 bucks a gallon, which isn't too far off the mark for them, since they've been paying close to this for years. Until the left stops playing politics with our country, our people, our rights, we are going to be paying through the kazoo. You can blame the left, 100% for the price of oil today. You can't blame the war, because if we had alternate methods, the war wouldn't matter, would it? In fact, Bush even tried to introduce NUCLEAR power, the cleanest, best source out there. The facilities can be built soon and we'd have an alternate source soon enough. The left doesn't want it. Ask yourself why? Because it is there job to play politics, to make the other side look bad and unfortunately, the dems are as corrupt as ever, are willing to go to any length possible to make the Bush administration look bad, they're worse then ever. They're hatred for Bush is so high, they're willing to play politics with YOU, while tricking the average citizen into thinking that gas is higher for other reasons. They're SICK IN THE BRAIN! We can even come up with other sources but no matter what source we lean on, it's going to be another 10 to 20 years until that source is readily available and until then, we need to lean on oil, just oil in OUR OWN COUNTRY!!!!!

You want to know the reasons oil costs an arm and a leg right now???:

-No Anwar drilling because of the left.
-No coast drilling because of the left.
-No leases for America for gulf drilling off our coast while China, Cuba and Venezuela are drilling because of the left.
-Cap and trade regulation, which will apparently raise the cost of gas by $1.50 a gallon, again because of the left.
shutting down oil fields in Colorado because of the left and stupid environmentalists.
-2 days earlier, legislation was passed to allow America to sue OPEC, again, passed by the left. Yeah, let's sue OPEC, that's brilliant and will cheapen gas!
-Environmentalists can now sue oil companies as well, again, because of the left. Do you know that ALL oil spills are from the tankers that are bringing oil INTO THE STATES? Bet you didn't know that. The left doesn't want us drilling. We need to trucker it in from other countries. The tanker hits something and BAM! Oil spill. If we drilled here, don't you think that we'd have LESS oil spills? According to a sane person, yes.
-Because of the left, we're now thinking of taxing the oil companies even more... don't you think that this will raise the price of a gallon of oil? And doesn't the government already make ENOUGH???? See what dirty lying dogs they are? You know it's not Bush taxing the oil cause Bush is BIG OIL, isn't he?

Hope this is of some help guys!

pane66, what's the 66? Your IQ? You are an utterly clueless POS.
First of all, the citizens of this country know it's OUR oil Exxon wants to plunder and OUR land they want to rape. We'll do or not do with it whatever the hell we want, you worthless twit. So we taxpayers should get MOST OF THE MONEY FROM IT, moron. There will be plenty left for your slimeball buddies, as the stock market, their profits and their salaries over the last 10 years attests.
Second of all, when the president is an ignorant, arrogant, greedy sociopath (sort of like you I would guess) someone needs to keep an eye on his worthless ass 24/7.
How long did it take to write that garbage? Not as long as it might seem I would guess, as it's rife with grammatical, spelling and logical errors.
Get a life, loser! I'm done with you.

Now that I'm done with IQ66, I will address the adults here.
Those who say there is no speculation attempt to equate the word with illegal activity - no illegality, no speculation. The fact, of course, is that speculation, no matter how detrimental to world economies, has been completely legalized. The same government insanity and the same big institutional players that gave us the mortgage bubble have apparently given us an oil spike, and possibly sharp increases in the prices of other commodities.
Regulations on commodity trading in place since 1922 were gutted by Congress in 2000, compliments of the Friedmanian morons who believe in the perfection of totally unfettered markets, at the request of Enron Corporation. A do-nothing nitwit non-entity was appointed head of the CFTC and proceeded to dismantle any remaining enforcement of rules. Enron was reportedly very pleased. Commodity trading now is done at 20:1 or greater leverage, in utter secrecy. If this is too onerous and you are big enough, the CFTC will obligingly allow you to trade in "equivalent" markets such as those in London and Dubai, whihc are interlocked with US exchanges. Goldman Sachs is now the biggest oil trader in the country, and they apparently have been long on the commodity. Is it any surprise when they announce that oil is going to $150 by July 4, no one can check what their current interest in seeing that happens is? The current Secretary of the Treasury was Goldman CEO when they helped establish their very own International Commodity Exchange in Atlanta as, get this, an international affiliated exchange largely exempt from US regulation. I don't know how much rampant speculation is occurring, but given the complete lack of regulation, it is just waiting to happen. The circumstantial evidence would lead one to believe it's more than is healthy for the world economies and has a lot to do with prices doubling in a year.
And hey, why tax oil at the pump? We know all taxes are evil. Such a policy would only capture some of the profits for the US Treasury to be plowed back into developing alternative fuels rather than where it really belongs - in the pockets of the poor speculators, the depressed oil companies and our friends in OPEC.

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