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David Brooks writes this morning about the combative nature of the Clinton campaign. In watching Hillary try to intimidate her former employee Geoge Stephanopoulos, he marveled at her ability to spin her "sham gas-tax holiday."

This wasn't just shameless spin, it was shamelessness with a purpose. Clinton signaled that she wasn't going to concede even an inch to the vast elitist conspiracy. She wasn't going to feel guilty about ignoring the evidence. She was going to stomp on it, flay it and leave it a twisted mass of jelly quivering on the ground. She was going to perform the primordial duty of an alpha dog leader -- helping one's own.
I must say that my in-box in the last two weeks has been a small microcosm of that same intimidation policy.

I'm easy to find, because my email address is published by USC to make it simple for students to reach me. Hillary's partisans are unrelenting in pointing out my shortcomings. I find it all a little depressing that I can travel half way around the world and not escape their vicious anger. So if you are one of the Rambo brigade--just stop it.


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So you quote David Brooks?

Way to win friends and influence people. As far as intimidation, I suggest you look over a few of your own recent overly harsh posts. It's called cause, and effect.

This reminds me of the Republicans calling for civility when they lost Congress.

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Brooks for all his many faults happens to be correct this once. Only because it's a criticism of a Democrat that happens to be true of course. If it was only McCain making the proposal he's be quiet about it and chalk it up to pandering as usual.

But even Krugman, Clinton shill that he is, would lose all credibility as an economist if he supported Hillary's phony pander, and so he condemned it as well.

Hillary's gas tax is an absurd pander and bad economics. She knows it's BS but decided it was a good politcal triangulation and to try and beat McCain at his own game.

Which has always been the Clinton's instincts and DLC way: to dance to Republican's tune.

Even though she knows it's wrong, she's dug in now and as Taplin points out, going to bristle at anyone who dares challenge her political departure from reality. Which is incredibly bone headed and stubborn, reminiscent of GW Bush.

Exactly why I won't support her. As long as we keep electing DLC "Democrats" like the Clintons, things just get worse.

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Well, this is what Krugman says today:

I don’t have a link to the ad itself, but apparently there’s an Obama ad citing something I said about McCain’s gas tax holiday as a way to attack Hillary Clinton.

I did not say that the Clinton proposal would increase oil industry profits. If the ad implies that I did, it should be retracted.

The Clinton proposal is financed by an excess profits tax. At worst, it sends money in a circle. In practice, it would probably reduce oil industry profits at least slightly, since the rise in the pre-tax price of gasoline probably wouldn’t wipe out all of the tax cut.

I was very clear when I wrote about the Clinton proposal that while I didn’t think it was good policy, it was not the same as McCain’s, and relatively harmless. If the Obama people are suggesting otherwise, they’re being deliberately dishonest.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

And Krugman also told Politico's Michael Clderone "That’s not an accurate statement," Krugman said by phone from his Princeton office, regarding Stephanopoulos lumping him in as a [Clinton] "supporter."

"I’ve certainly never said that," Krugman added. "People can infer my preferences. But I’m not in any official sense a supporter. I like to say, in principle, you don’t know which party I favor."

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Doesn't get much more down-to-earth than that.

NOTHING PERSONAL

But your "shortcomings" are entirely relegated to the trouser area. As an insipid suck up you seem to be right on course.


VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR WHITE GUILTY CONSCIENCE

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Taplin will quote anybody, no matter how odious they are, if they're anti-Clinton.

It's sad but the guy has completely lost all sense of perspective and proportion.

He's an embarassment.

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You're an embarrassment to yourself. Regardless of it being Brooks saying it, it's accurate.

Your rants sound like RenStinpy.

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A few slices of kaya toast and a cup of black kopi always worked for me.

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Jonathan, if you're getting emails at work based on what you're posting here it's because you're basically the worst kind of Clinton basher (as opposed to principle Obama supporter) at TPM Cafe. You've frequently repeated right wing attacks against the Clintons and here you are blaming Clinton for her treatment for George Stephanapolous when it's George's show and his responsibility to stand up for himself.

Of course, nobody from here should be harassing you at work. I, for one, am always glad to rebut you in public.

But there are a lot of smart people out there who support Obama who don't mindlessly repeat every weak accusation made against Hillary. It's sad because you can certainly do better than these constant name-calling posts.

All we get out of you is a lot of innuendo about about Hillary's personality and Bill's finances, two things you don't really seem to know anything about. So, just a hint -- if you're getting nasty emails, maybe you're doing something to provoke them. And maybe you can do better here at TPMCafe.

Don't be stupid. Given the way he's has repeatedly suuported her statements and policy, and repeatedly attacked and distorted Obama's rhetoric and record, it's clear who he supports.

He's a weasel who's arguing that because he never said "I support Hillary Clinton," you can't assume he does, even though there is a small mountain of evidence indicating that he strongly prefers her.

Also, this is like the fourth time he's railed against an alleged Obama ad, again using the weasel's excuse that "I don’t have a link to the ad itself, but apparently there’s an Obama ad citing something I said."

I think several of these "ads" have been discovered not to exist, so Krugman's guilty of the same "Some people say" tactics of Fox News and the rest of the Bush rightwing. Which, of course, further cements his suitability for membership in the Clinton camp.

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Take your own advice. Paul Krugman isn't a weasel. He was only saying that he doesn't want to officially endorse anyone (not uncommon). Oh and below is the link (easily found) to the Obama attack ad. I notice you offer no links to support your accusations about Krugman lying about things easily looked up.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1463312854?bctid=1536204159

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Why would anybody to pay 45K for indoctrination of their children by people like Jonathan Taplin?

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Thanks for pointing out one of the few columns of this guy that I have ever agreed with. Like clinton, he is generally so predictably annoying that I simply bypass his columns. But today he earned his keep!

I've been pretty annoyed at how Krugman slavishly supported hillary for a while there. But clearly she's thrown Krugman under the bus! And she'll throw anyone under there - if it serves her purpose! Brooks' column made that clear too.

Credit where credit is due.

Obama took the ad referencing a statement that Krugman made in the NYT out of the ad cycle. He replaced it with one that does not use his quote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/06/paul-krugman-obama-ad-dis_n_100291.html

See this is change we can beleive in! Someone says you were wrong to use my quote and he shows the leadership and takes it down. Wow a leader that actualy listens! What a change indeed!

That's actually right in line with what Brooks said in his editorial today, that Obama doesn't immediately think his critics are raving lunatics, and he is capable of changing his mind after making a mistake....The kind of qualities we need in a President I would add.

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However Obama followers immediately think that Obama critics are raving lunatics.

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Some might say that changing what someone says about your opponent in an ad is "change you can't believe." It's not the first ad he's retracted and I don't know if removing an attack ad after someone falsely quoted in it demands retraction is leadership, but I have to say, you spin well. Change, indeed.

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What has happened to democrats? They apparently have the attention span of circus monkeys. David Brooks has been wrong about every single issue he's ever written about - he is no friend of democrats. This is the same David Brooks who said about Obama, "...have you noticed that he's carried into his rallies by a flock of cherubs..." and "Then did you see the Hopemeister's speech..." and "Meanwhile Obama's people are so taken with their Messiah that soon they'll be selling flowers ar airports and arranging mass weddings..." and "His Hopeness tells rallies that 'we are the change we have been waiting for..."

What the hell's the matter with you people? These people like Brooks, Huffington, Dowd, Collins have been doing this kind of hit job on democrats for more than a decade now, and you still don't get it. You're legitimizing their smears and hits on democrats. Wake up, for Christ's sake!

Ahhh, the sky is falling!

A democrat said David Brooks was right, for once. Sorry I'm not one of your robotic Democratic voters, Bev.

You folk just dont get it, do you? The only thing that's real in politics is the perception of the voters. Nothing else matters. How many votes will economists cast in November? Its not that Clinton's right and you're wrong. It's that the voters are drowning and no one else has bothered to toss them a lifeline.

It doesn't matter if all the economists that can fit on the head of a pin all sing their ethereal opinions. American workers and their families don't give a sh-t. They have a feeling that you and your colleagues are somehow associated with their shrinking paychecks and rising prices. After all, to these bitter, gun-toting, God-fearing folk you've been the ones working behind the scenes, managing things. YOU are perceived as incompetent elitists. By attacking Clinton's misguided proposal they perceive YOU to be making light of THEIR problems. Clinton's the only candidate who's gone out on a limb for THEM and they are rewarding her. The polls show that. Not one of them believes Clinton's idea is a good one but then no one else has stood up for them. Obama's offered lofty ideals with great style and gravitas but lofty ideals never pay for groceries, mortgages or gas. As sad as it is, Clinton's offered a solution. So, in good American tradition, THEY support the misguided woman with the heart of gold, who's offered her hand.

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The only thing I disagree with is that not one person would think it's a good idea. Many people believe it is a good program and even though it might not be much relief, to many it is something (and how would it go over in the winter for heating oil?). I don’t know that Clinton’s proposal including restrictions on prices to maintain the savings, an investigation into oil pricing and windfall profits tax is as bad as it’s made out to be. And it’s strange, or maybe not, that the focus of rage is on Clinton’s not McCain’s original proposal. The impolitic thng that she said was that she wouldn't listen to the economists.

Harry Reid offered the same proposal without the oil taxes to pay for it, in ’04 I believe, and many (most?) Dems supported it. I certainly do not remember the entire economist community and all of the media decrying it as ridiculous. Is it pandering? Absolutely, this is what politicians do. Is Obama pandering when he quickly rushes a proposal for windfall profits tax right after Clinton (or the dozens of other programs that he has taken directly from Clinton and tweaked a bit to call his own). Is Obama pandering when he proposes another tax stimulus rebate instead of a gas tax holiday? The tax holiday looks pretty ineffective to me, but I think if a politician is going to pander, it should be to working people.

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Don:

I represent lots of drivers and, to them, the gas tax works and frankly rocks, but candidly at the macro level and certainly standing alone, I think we got ourselves a pander, albeit an effective one. But let's be clear, were the shoe on the other foot, i.e. were there a gas tax proposal coming out of the Obama campaign, guess who would be jumping up and down and touting the great short-term fix, etc.?

Gotta love politics sometimes; it really is great sport.

Bruce

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It is a sport. Just seems like the wrong team’s been winning the Superbowl lately (shouldn't it be America’s Team:). And "chicken in every pot" wins votes. What if McCain had proposed this in the general against Obama. How would it be played at that point?

Okay, how about this: Since we can’t contradict the economists (Wall St. or armchair) who say that there is just no way to cut taxes on gas and have the savings go to the consumer (even though that assertion is what, to me, sounds dumb), we’ll listen to them. If no mater what you do the demand is going to float the price back up, then I propose raising the tax.

Yep, my fellow ‘mericans, read my lips, “I will raise taxes, yeehah!” And not no damn 20 cents. I say let’s throw another dollar on every gallon of gas starting immediately. Demand should go down, with prices to follow, right? Then we can take all of those dollars (hell, that 20 cents, too) and send it to every working person below the Navigator SUV market and all indie truckers. Oh, the economists are telling me that knowing they'll get more back, they will drive, driving demand up and...Okay, okay, my brain hurts.

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It is a sport. Just seems like the wrong team’s been winning the Superbowl lately (shouldn't it be America’s Team:). And "chicken in every pot" wins votes. What if McCain had proposed this in the general against Obama. How would it be played at that point?

Okay, how about this: Since we can’t contradict the economists (Wall St. or armchair) who say that there is just no way to cut taxes on gas and have the savings go to the consumer (even though that assertion is what, to me, sounds dumb), we’ll listen to them. If no mater what you do the demand is going to float the price back up, then I propose raising the tax.

Yep, my fellow ‘mericans, read my lips, “I will raise taxes, yeehah!” And not no damn 20 cents. I say let’s throw another dollar on every gallon of gas starting immediately. Demand should go down, with prices to follow, right? Then we can take all of those dollars (hell, that 20 cents, too) and send it to every working person below the Navigator SUV market and all indie truckers. Oh, the economists are telling me that knowing they'll get more back, they will drive more, driving demand up and...Okay, okay, my brain hurts.

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To many people in this country saving 3 bucks on a tank of gas actually means something. For some it means that they can feed their kids at the end of the week until payday.

I am absolutely amazed at the heartless bastards who call themselves liberal and have no concept whatsoever of what it means to be one of the working poor. They have no idea how many people in this country are living in their cars, much less scrounging money to buy a tank of gas.

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One is too many in this affluent country. But then Exxon couldn’t clear its almost $1 billion a week.

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Bev, I think that Hillary's message is resonating, whether folks around here and at the New York Times express outrage at the "pander". Meanwhile, Hillary did just fine in the eyes of the folks I'm caring about today. I guess this is where the creative class usually states that working people are too stupid to figure out that they've been pandered to. If I had a dime for every truck driver who has prefaced a brilliant statement to me with: "I'm just a truck driver, but. . ." But my butt; working people are fully capable of thinking for themselves, even if they don't blog.

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second line should read "whether or not".

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Well, people around here like it. Of course they are not the majority of Americans, but it seems that it would help many people.

Maybe you might consider not attacking Hillary Clinton. Otherwise you should expect responses. It seems rather childish to complain about it.

Otto- I'm happy to take the abuse on this comment board. I'm just tired of having my inbox filled with vituperative crap.

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cuz USC has all the hot babes...

quoting bobo ???

that's gonna make you a lot of friends here

did you ever think that those people might be right ???

or do you have the same "industrial strength reality deflectors" that bobo uses ???

Part of the Clinton intimidation plan is the implicit threat to the party --"I will take everyone down with me....so give it to me."


That notion is so badly thought out to be laughable, if so many Obamites didn't believe it. The problem isn't Clinton: if she doesn't get the nomination virtually all her followers will still support Obama. The same can't be said of the Obamites: many WILL abandon Clinton out of spite and many others will simply feel disheartened and walk away from the election.

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Well, I think that Professor Taplin has been a huge disappointment. He has a fabulous background and he's a teriffic writer, but he has come here for the sole purpose of writing anti-Hillary Clinton screeds, and he seems to try and fit in with the lowest common denominator of our readership. Professor Taplin is a tad fancier perhaps than the average Obama right or wronger at TPM Election Central, but that's where his posts belong, i.e. in the comment threads with the other folks nipping at Greg Sargent's ankles.

That said, I am really sorry to hear that the Professor is being harassed by e-mailers. That sort of conduct is absolutely unacceptable and, if it were me, I would ask TPM to assist the professor in tracking down anyone from this community who may have sent such an e-mail. There is no place for that kind of conduct and, as much as the Professor disappoints me, I feel for him if he is being harassed by people who don't agree with what he writes.

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Seconded.

Guys, Taplin posts in a public space that allows for comments. His own blog also accepts comments. There's just no reason to send him angry emails.

He's still a huge dissapointment, though and represents the very worst kind of Obama supporter. Jonathan, don't you see that your posts here are beneath you?

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I donno what's the big deal. Hillary IS behaving like a cro magnon she-man to project "strength"
I now Brooksie is snobby republican worm, but a stopped clock is right twice a day and all...

Hillary is doing intimidation politics. And frankly I kinda like it, I wish more democrats would do it and I wish Obama would do it too. What worries me about Clinton is that she chooses to peddle falsehoods and bs with her intimidation instead of pushing the hard truths the way FDR or Lyndon Johnston did.
Why is she pushing bullshit with her political talent? That is the crux of the matter and it is THE REASON she is not already the nominee. She makes some really unexplainable political choices.

I have to say that I'm surprised that so many people have swallowed the McCain-Clinton bait hook-line-and sinker! AMAZING! No wonder hillary has so many supporters. Just like conservatives, follow the line but don't think for yourself.

Of course, saving $3 on a tank of gas is HUGE to many people but the oil companies are under no obligation whatsoever to pass on the "savings" to the consumer. Additionally, what happens when the current price (approx. $3.50 per gallon) goes up during the summer anyway? Consumers pay close to $4 a gallon, so where are the "savings"???

People, it's a GIMMICK and judging by the amount of "pro" hillary comments here, it's working!

Please, WAKE UP!

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Where do people get this idea that the gas companies will pass along the .184 cent tax? The oil companies don't pay the tax, the consumer pays it at the pump, just as he does the state tax on gasoline.

Once again, THE OIL COMPANIES DO NOT PAY THE TAX, THE CONSUMER PAYS IT AT THE PUMP. The gas retailer is the tax collector for the government - he sends the tax to the federal and local governments. THE RETAILER of GASOLINE DOES NOT PAY THE TAX, YOU DO.

If you buy a shirt at a department store for 50.00 bucks and the sales tax is 3.00 on the shirt, the sales tax is NOT included in the price - the sales tax is collected by the retailer and remitted to the various local entities for the consumer. Why? Because it is easier than the taxpayer saving receipts on everything single thing he purchases and remitting all those taxes to the local and state governments.

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Every summer, the state suspends sales tax for clothing purchases to help working families get back-to-school clothes for their kids. It's a nice savings.

I have never heard of a retailer bumping up their prices to offset the tax. For them it's like having a sale where their margins remain the same.

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I have tried to explain this every way I can, and people are still convinced that the oil companies are paying this .184 cents in tax and will pass the tax along to the consumers by raising the cost of a gallon of gas by .184 cents per gallon. Help...

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I know Bev.

You are a voice of reason in the wilderness of the echo chamber.

:)

Thanks for that.

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