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Distinguishing 'National Interest' from Manicheanism


I have a number of thoughts about Jeff's and Jacob's points about Reagan, but I first want to respond to Ken because it seems to me that he's glossed over a tremendous number of important distinctions in U.S. foreign policy--indeed, perhaps over the very idea that there are distinctions in U.S. foreign policy.

Ken writes that "conservatism as defined by Peter fits pretty squarely into the broad tradition of American foreign policy as practiced by all ideological camps: namely promoting American economic, military and political power overseas under the guise of do-gooding." That suggests that I defined conservatism simply as an ideology that promotes the national interest and that sugarcoats its self-interested behavior. But that's not how I defined conservatism. I defined it as an ideology that sees the world strictly in binary terms: us-versus-them, good-versus-evil. It's true that that view was prevalent in the 17th and 18th centuries, but it became far less so during the 20th. Sure, conservative ideology fits into a broad tradition of pursuing the national interest--but so does every foreign policy pursued by every country around the world throughout history. The differences lie in how you define and pursue the national interest. My point is that during the Cold War, U.S. policymakers increasingly agreed that you could not see the world in strictly good-versus-evil terms because we needed to coexist and negotiate with the Soviets--in no small part because nuclear weapons rendered coexistence and negotiation a matter of national survival. Conservatives, because of their fealty to Manichaeism, did not. They defined the national interest very differently.

Ken writes that when I'm discussing the conservative approach to nuclear weapons (which I gather he does think are out of the mainstream) I'm "fundamentally talking about fringe elements--or at least not dominant ones--of the 'conservative' movement." But that's simply not true. To be sure, my book argues that the conservative movement grew from being a relatively fringe force to being a major one in U.S. politics--thus there are times when it has had little influence--but Barry Goldwater was the GOP's candidate for president in 1964 and Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980 on the basis of his conservatism. For that matter, when Bill Buckley died in February, I think there was a fairly broad consensus that he had been an influential, not a fringe figure--at least if the Newsweek cover story was any indication. This Buckley/Goldwater/Reagan conservatism explicitly rejected mutual assured destruction--the result, I argue, of applying a strictly Manichaean worldview to nuclear strategy--and therefore embraced a nuclear war-fighting posture, via offensive forces, missile defenses, and even civil defenses (i.e., bomb shelters). Both the underlying Manichaeism and its resultant impact on policy (antipathy toward negotiation, distrust of containment, and even a belief in the military utility of nuclear weapons) have been prevalent in the Bush administration as well.

This approach contrasts significantly not only with Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson, but also with Nixon and Ford, which is one of the reasons why I don't think you can classify the latter two as conservatives--at least in a foreign policy sense. The notion is sometimes overblown by people who insist that the Bush administration is "revolutionary," but there really was something of a bipartisan foreign policy consensus during the Cold War. That consensus accepted both containment and MAD. This consensus also accepted negotiations with the Soviet Union, particularly to stabilize the nuclear balance. Conservatives--like Buckley, Goldwater, and Reagan (until 1984)--rejected this, opposing everything from a ban on nuclear testing in the atmosphere to the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Nixon, by contrast, signed a number of arms control agreements and pursued détente with Moscow (and diplomatic relations with China). That's not a matter of what Ken calls the "normal process of compromise"--Nixon initiated the ABM talks, détente, and the opening to China, after all--that's the product a fundamentally different worldview. Which is why conservatives abandoned Nixon and supported Reagan over Ford in 1976.

In short, there were distinctions within the Republican Party that were very significant, and by the 1970s conservatives were a growing force, not a fringe element. Sure, Nixon and Reagan got Senate approval for their arms control agreements, but that doesn't mean that opposing ideas did not carry weight at various times--or that they can't explain the Bush administration's foreign policy today. Not every presidency has been as disastrous as this one, and (to refer back to one of Jeff's earlier posts) I don't think that incompetence alone explains the variance. After all decisions themselves are not "incompetent"; incompetence lies in execution. The decision to invade Iraq was not incompetent; it was simply wrong. The decisions not to engage North Korea and Iran were not incompetent; they were just wrong. Why would an administration make such decisions? Because it adheres to a worldview that skews its understanding of how to best defend the United States--a dualistic worldview that since the 1950s has gone by the name of "conservatism" and has gained increasing influence in American politics, culminating in this administration.


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"I defined it as an ideology that sees the world strictly in binary terms: us-versus-them, good-versus-evil. "

That's really a stretch. Kinda baloney really.

At best, you could perhaps argue it has been disingenuously presented to segments of the American public that way, particularly the Republican base of religious fundamentalists and rural people tending towards provincial xenophobia and a simplistic world view.

But let's talk about reality here. Specifically the history of conservative (and bipartisan) FP Realism. Scoblic is going to claim that was black/white good vs evil? Get real.

Overthrowing elected social democratic leaders and installing dictators like Pinochet and Saddam Hussein? Assassination programs? Arming and training of police states, religious fundamentalists, and the most evil and corrupt regimes, so long as they were our evil and corrupt pals?

Will Scoblic pretend we didn't coexist with the Soviets for a century? That our policy wasn't containment while waiting for the eventual decline from internal rot?

Is Scoblic going to attempt to rationalize that by saying the ends justify the means, and that good intentions wash away any sins in the process, including lying to the American public?

Get real. This good vs evil stuff is pablum. Come back when you're serious.

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btw, I'd add to that, I understand Scoblic's point, but I think he's explaining it very poorly and failing to draw a significant contrast between "good vs evil" nonsense in the post-Reagan era, vs bipartisan FP realism prior. Scoblic is also getting his terminology confused, and muddying the waters and playing these semantic games with "conservatism."

Yes traditional conservatism and and bipartisan FP has been reality based. Yes in the Reagan era it became dualistic candy-floss, and that's where the Republican party is today.

But overall Scoblic's points are rather muddled. We have enough trouble attributing credit and blame where due in our culture wihtout muddying the waters further.

Too many Americans still think Reagan "broke the Soviet's back" for example, which is just nonsense. More accurately he kicked them to the curb when they were already on thier way down. He destabilized the soviet fall, which has been very bad for global security.

I'd have been quite happy to have deflated the soviet balloon more slowly, waited another decade, and not have Russia run by mobsters, the serious danger of loose nukes, and various wars and instability occurring in Eastern Europe.

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Realism was the main ideology of the United States until the fall of the Soviet Union. There was those on the right such General Curtis Lemay and the think tankers at RAND who thought that nuclear war was winnable but they were ingnore by the mainstream of the Republican Party throughout the fifties and sixties. This changed a little bit in the late seventies with the success of Team B in scrapping Detente and with the inclusion of neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and those that support them like Casper Weinberger in the early Reagan administration. However they soon lost their influence to realists such as George Schultz. Both the Republicans and Democrats became more dependent on the use of force after the First Gulf War. After the First Gulf War, politicians lost the "Vietnam syndrome," even though there was the horrible Somali experience it was soon overtaken by military successes in Bosnia and Kosovo. This made poliicians from both sides of the political spectrum believe that military force was more effective than diplomacy. This was one of the main resons why so many Democrats including Hillary Clinton voted for the Second Gulf War because there was no-way in their heads that the outcome could be a failure.

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Excellent.

Which is why Democrats wanting to increase their majority and take the Whitehouse can't simply play partisan politics. They need to repudiate BOTH neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism. Both have been incredibly reckless and foolish, and both sold out to transnational interests to a large degree.

Was it Gorbechev or someone else who said (paraphrased) "the worst thing the Soviets ever did to the US was fall, and deny them an enemy."

There's some truth to that. While the Soviets were "evil" in oppressing their own people, they also contained the expansion of rather "evil" Western interests as well.

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