Rev. Souljah and the Laius Complex
Until I saw the actual video of Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club, just now, I was of the opinion that Obama should reply simply by taking the offensive, calling out John McCain for seeking out the endorsement of the wack-job Rev. John Hagee.
Wright on video, preening, smirking, reveling in his star turn, has spun my mind around. I found him convincing in this sense: He's convinced me that he's a clear and present danger to Obama's candidacy. The father has turned on the son--it's the Laius complex in action. Sure, sure, Wright offers a heap of clever and not-so-clever self-extenuations for his kind words about Louis Farrakhan, and absurdly claims to speak for the entire black church. But he makes it clear that he believes Obama is simply "a politician," meaning a shifty no-good. He's broken the parental contract.
Obama has to overthrow his surrogate father.
His Philadelphia speech was splendid at a moment when all anyone outside Chicago's South Side knew about Wright was a few wild-man video clips. These could be explained--or, if you like, explained away as the excesses bred in a generation that lived and suffered before and during the civil rights movement. Now that Wright is on fuller display, having decided that the "fierce urgency of now" requires that he perform an act of self-resurrection in full view "by any means necessary," at any cost to his congregant's political future--and therefore the nation's--he's fair rhetorical game for Obama.
Obama has to say full-out where he disagrees with Wright. He has to say so full-throatedly. It's not enough to say he's "wrong and divisive." He has to divide himself--from Wright.


I didn't care for the sneering smirk, myself.
Reminds me of a woman scorned, "I'll show him!"
Petty stuff. Wright lost my ear, for now anyway.
April 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
SCREWED THE POOCH
Actually he screwed the entire kennel.
Please Barry do not embarass yourself with more fabrications about Wrights "different experiences" with racism. Read the link below instead.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wright/2008/04/28/91553.html
VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE
NOT YOUR WHITE GUILTY CONSCIENCE
April 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh good, NewsMax! The same source for the Hamas "endorsement" of Obama.
April 29, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
We all heard the Philadelphia speech, hailed as a great speech on race in America. He said Wright had cause to be angry. He said he could no more reject Wright than he could reject his own grandmother or the black community. Now that he's flip-flopped on Wright, how Presidential is Obama looking? And I guess the black community and grannie can look forward to being reject too, if it's politically expedient for Obama to reject them.
What was Wright's great sin? He called a politician a politician. Let's crucify him for it.
April 29, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you watch Wright's press club performance? There's more going on there then a simple statement concerning Barack Obama's profession. I observed a strange gleeful detachment and an apparent disinterest in the complexities of the truth.
In watching Wright's sermon clips I found him to be reductive and abrasive, but I did not hear anything that I really objected to.
The press club tapes show someone who is a little crazy and its sad. Wright is doing real damage to the best possibility for ethical leadership since Dwight Eisenhower.
April 30, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you paid to troll this site?
I ask because what you're not doing is contributing in a good faith manner to any discussions. You make no attempt to put forth content beyond crapping in every thread you can.
Question to TPM: does bombing every thread with ALLCAPS rants and one-liner propaganda count as "good faith" participation? I support free speech, but not blindly and without recognition that it can also be abused. In the real world, if one goes to a party, or meeting, or any gathering of people, and starts shouting inane comments over everyone else, its grounds for ejection. Yet "free speech" is applied impractically to blogs, which trolls abuse regularly.
How about some common sense anti-troll measures to stop the bombing of threads from obnoxious posters?
April 29, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
TROLL = CONTRARIAN for fascist fancy
If by your definition keeping the screeds brief and concise while (apparently) disagreeing with you is the work of a "troll" I am left to wonder how far down the path of fascism you intend to wander.
Just text me the words you need me to post, that is if it will slow down your diarrhea.
HOPE CHANGE does not mean Tee Ball with Farrahkan on the White House lawn.
April 29, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh, he said fancy.
RenStumpy is a projector. He has diarrhea, so he accuses you of having it. In other posts, he accuses others of being effeminate....
I mean, what can you expect from somebody who takes a picture of Michelangelo's David as his avatar, and then scrunches it so it looks almost exactly like the Venus of Willendorf?
I'm all for cleaning the threads. If there was a real debate on this site about that, I would argue as persuasively as I can that there should be moderation, then warning, then banning, and in extreme cases outing.
But since we've come this far...we might as well hang in and wait for the moment when Bill's wife comes to her senses and realizes that she's just a surrogate for him, that she's ruined her own Senate career, and that the two of them can either smile and wave Obama signs, or get ready for an exile they might not outlive.
And at that moment, I want all these grammar-challenged trolls to increase the volume of their frenzied vituperation. I want them to holler bloody murder, swear to vote Republican, the whole nine yards.
And then I will feel their pain (choke).
Ahahahahaha.
April 29, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of us actually admire Ren's style, if not the substance of his comments. Others don't. As a Clintonista, I probably mind him less than you do, but I'm not sure I'd call him a troll. However, if you think he's a troll, you should ignore him completely. You can send Josh an email and try to get him banned if he really offends you.
April 29, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, imagine the split in the black community over this. It's just devastating. If his black base cracks in North Carolina, he's finished. I don't know what kind of internal polls they were looking at to cause him to reject Wright now. Couldn't they have waited until after Indiana and North Carolina?
April 29, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, he should have ignored the comments.
April 30, 2008 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem then becomes what has Obama and Wright talked about privately in the past, what has Obama confessed to Wright over the 20 years?
Hell, what if Wright started outright lying about Obama? I bet the country would believe Wright.
April 29, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Uh... when Oedipus overthrew King Laius things did not work out so well for that MoFo.
Maybe you've just chosen a bad metaphor but having been on both sides of Obama my feeling is that people are always trying to get him to "reject and denounce" his associates, influences, anyone. And it makes Obama look weak when he does. When he fired an advisor for calling Clinton a monster I felt like he played right into Clinton's staff. You don't let your opponents tell you who you can associate with, hire, fire, like or dislike. You have to stand on your own on those decisions.
Obama really won me over with his initial reaction to the Wright controversey. They could not make him denounce his friend and mentor then. I hope they can't make him do so now.
April 29, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. If the electorate doesn't 'get' it, the electorate deserves a Hillary.
(I have to wonder if Wright isn't simply using this media-driven controversy to promote his upcoming book. Or, if he might be a paid media operative as he's certainly playing well their perverted game.)
April 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
phelicity,
Ya think...?
April 29, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't "them" pushing the issue. It's Wright hisself.
Or is the MSM twisting his arm?
I think Wright needs to show more class. Obama is blameless in this, totally.
April 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Wright didn't come and speak to the media, the media would be chasing him out.
He's given those that were listening an opportunity to see his words, followed by the spin.
If you're not disgusted by what's going on, I'm really sorry for you.
I'm crying for this country today....
April 29, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting to get your take since the speech is one of the things that won you over. So do you think he should just continue on or does he need to address it in some way?
April 29, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
You say they could not make him denounce his "friend."
Wright clearly denounced Obama yesterday and ended whatever "friendship" they had.
April 29, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
But how could he have been so wrong about Wright all this time? I don't think Obama has a good way to go on this one. Anything he does, he looks like he'sd flip-flopping, which is just what Wright labeled him as. Obama made a big mistake throwing black men under the bus on FOX.
April 29, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's some pure speculation:
I am no expert in analysing behavior in those that use anti-depressants but I have observed striking behavioral changes in people I know when they have chosen to use drugs such as Prozac or Lexapro. I am not an opponent of these drugs as I see that they can help a lot of people. The changes I have seen in people are often very positive.
But, its occurred to me that the Reverend Wright might possibly be improperly medicated. I found his behavior at his Press Club appearance to be very odd as was his appearance on Bill Moyers, though more subtly so. It would account for Obama's perception that Wright has changed.
I admit that i have been speculating in the same way about George Bush for a least seven years.
April 30, 2008 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you, destor. Obama needs to ignore Mrs. Clinton on the Wright "issue" (first, because he CAN, and second, because the Clintons have their own association with the Reverend, which nobody seems to ever talk about). And I think Obama (or his surrogates) can fairly well counter attacks from the Republican right by playing up the Hagee issue with McCain.
Wright is a little out there. And he is obviously enjoying his moment in the sun. But Hagee is really much worse. And the difference is that McCain sought Hagee's endorsement, and by doing so, McCain is endorsing Hagee's political positions. Obama's association with Wright is not political.
-- ARG
April 29, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although I express sympathy and support for Senator Obama below, this Clinton supporter finds it cheap and short-sighted to try to pin the blame on the Clintons for anything having to do with the Reverend Wright nonsense. Your post reminds me of the foolish decision of the Obama campaign to release a photo of Bill Clinton with the Reverend at a breakfast back in 98. If the Clinton campaign was as nasty and racist as some of the folks around think it is, the campaign could have and would have used that photo incident as the pretext to drive a truck through the Wright controversy. Perspective people--Wright is not Hillary Clinton's doing.
April 29, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't find your post cheap, didn't mean to suggest that, but I do think it's too easy and ultimately unfair to blame the Clintons for Wright.
April 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may not be fair to blame them (Sean Hannity has been pushing this story since at least January 2007, and, as we all know, the MSM ultimately takes its cues on how to destroy Democrats from Fox, Limbaugh, et al.), but it is fair to blame them for adding fuel to the fire, and never doing the honorable thing, which is to say this is a distraction from the real issues in the campaign. You only need to look at the comments in the various TPM blogs, where alleged Hillary supporters bring up Wright at every opportunity and with undiguised glee, whether he's relevant to the conversation or not.
These types of politics are destructive for Democrats in particular and for our country as a whole. When Obama had a chance to twist the knife on Tuzla in the last debate, he declined. If only Hillary had a fraction of his intergrity.
April 29, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
brewman:
Disconnect in your normally persuasive reasonning. You point to the Clintons' alleged lack of honor on Wright, and then you point to Clinton supporters and what they write on this site as evidence. Do you really want to use Obama supporters on this site as evidence of what the Obama campaign is all about? I hardly think so. Check out the recommended reader posts right now, or on almost any day of the week--not a pretty sight.
April 29, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, bslev.
I really wasn't trying to "blame" the Clintons in any way for the Wright controversy. My main point is that I believe Obama is in a good position now -- or certainly he will be in another week, after NC and IN -- to completely ignore Mrs. Clinton and begin running almost exclusively against McCain.
In that context -- heads up against McCain -- Obama has an excellent means to counter the Wright "issue" by touching on Hagee. Better that he do this through surrogates or 527 ads, of course.
I will say this, though. Mrs. Clinton's comments that she would have gotten another pastor, or a new church, seem disingenuous at best. (Should all the Catholics whose priests turned out to be pedophiles have switched parishes or become protestants?) Keep in mind that Wright is the FORMER pastor of that church.
This is in line with Mrs. Clinton's response that Obama's not a Muslim, as far as she knows.
-- ARG
April 29, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary has actually DEFENDED Obama against McCain's attempt to politicize the Wright issue.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/clinton-tip-toe.html
Unfortunately, Obama supporters always look for a way to blame Hillary every time Obama screws up. Obama should have completely cut his ties to Wright two years ago when he decided to run for president, but he's still screwing around and giving legs to this story. Obama simply does not have the decisiveness and judgment to be president.
April 29, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. We walked out of a Catholic church because the priest was vilifying Kerry over abortion. We felt we didn't have to sit there and listen to that shit. There are a lot of Catholic churches. But, then again, we weren't relying on that church to get out the vote for Kerry. Apparently neither Senator Obama nor any of his followers were shocked and angered when Wright ridiculed the Clintons, complete with obscene gestures and hip movement. Live and learn, folks.
April 29, 2008 11:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
In full disclosure, let me say for the record that I am a Clinton supporter.
That said, let me add that I take a certain pride in generally avoiding cheap-shots and "gotcha" as best I can. Politics being the rough business it is, I'm sure I don't always succeed, but I try my best.
I think Mr. Gitlin is correct on Rev. Wright/Sen. Obama in a theoretical sense, but how does one accomplish that seperation in a practical, real-world sense? The more Obama refutes the specifics of Wright's ideas, the more I am reminded that he, his wife, and his children spent 20 years in Wright's church. The worse he makes Wright out to be NOW, the LESS sense those 20 years make. It is also difficult to avoid the sense that his newly-discovered regrets are tactical, and not necesarily deeply felt. Much better had he seen this light BEFORE running for President.
ANY of us can be put into some very difficult binds by the nature of our associations. Whether we like it or not, or even whether it's entirely fair or not, it is a time-honored tradition to judge people to some degree by who they hang-out with. I sincerely believe that this isn't the LAST time Sen. Obama is going to have this problem. He has a number of relationships that may seem OK in the context of local Chicago society and politics, but which are (at best) problematic in a Presidential candidate.
April 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. And he also risks provoking Wright even more, which could mean he NEVER shuts up.
That said, I think there's a case to be made that this is a new side to Wright, one that he's never seen before, and one that's making him throw him under the bus and move on.
But man, what a freaking nightmare. For a black candidate to have a shot at the presidency, he can't have a whiff of this kind of thing.
The good thing is that right now I am so pessimistic that anything short of a complete implosion will be a nice surprise to me.
April 29, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sick to death of all the shark-jumping narcissistic 60s ex-radicals who never accomplished a damn thing of lasting value (very much unlike, say, TUCC and its massive good works) and who now try to decree that nobody should be a radical after them. Quite frankly I like Wright better than I like Obama, and a whole hell of a lot better than I like Gitlin.
As to the Wright "issue", by the fall it will be so overexposed that it'll be completely useless to McCain. Gee, how sad.
April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree. But I'm afraid there won't be a Fall for Obama. His fall comes May 6.
April 29, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that the suggestion that Obama has INSUFFICIENTLY distinguished himself from Wright is misplaced. Obama will only alienate more of his progressive constituency by trying to throw Wright under a bus, though on the other hand, I have no sympathy with those who try to prettify Wright's message into something it is not; I agree with Gitlin that, any way you slice it, Wright is WRONG.
But the problem is not with Obama and Wright, it is with the temptation (which Hillary Clinton even tried in one debate in a perverse semantic game regarding Obama and Farrakhan) to link Obama to third parties to scare the public. Obama I think adroitly handled the issue in his speech, and now, rather than stirring the conflict with more media-generating controversy, Obama's tendency to insist on moving beyond the distractions of Ayers, Wright (and whoever is added to the cast of this drama of misdirection) is the right instinct. Like someone yanking at the leash of a dog that absolutely INSISTS on extensively sniffing out EVERY fire hydrant, Obama needs to use (or continue to use) his bully pulpit to yank the mainstream media away from its ABC-debate type proclivities.
Perhaps one thing Obama could do is to schedule yet another debate, possibly an early one with McCain once it becomes clear that Obama and McCain are the presumptive nominees (something I predict will happen before the end of May, but my predictions have been wrong before -- 'an invasion of Grenada? And people call ME delusional?'); in this debate, the ground rules will be NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HORSE-RACE, ABOUT SOUND BITES, ABOUT 'character' and scandal, but ONLY about issues issues, platform, and more issues. You notice how the 'town meeting' type debates tended to focus more on substance, including on environmental issues, than the press-sponsored debates? The dog of the MSM needs to be yanked, and yanked and yanked and yanked, in the proportion that MY chain gets yanked, but that's a whole other tale. And progressive critics of the media both in the mainstream and out of it (the latter possibly with major demonstrations planned targetting the MSM as the huge part of the machinery of our system that it is) need to join in a chorus of insistence on a more substantive politics.
If not Wright, Sistah Souljah, Louis Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, flag pins, or "bitter" bytes, surely a politics revolving around a mainstream media devoted to glittering triviality inevitably finds the baubles that it seeks. Only by adamantly insisting on putting the structure of debate, as Obama's tendency tends to be, on a firm footing of solving problems rather than scoring points will Wright and the "Wright Syndrome" be overcome.
April 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
cloudy,
I tend to disagree that debates should be only about "issues", in the classic sense of the term. In the first place, it would be impossible to hold the general audience's attention over a lengthy, dry discussion of the technical elements of policies. In the 2nd place, in this case they don't differ all that much on all that many things. Finally, everyone these days has web-sites; tons of position-papers; think-tanks, academics, and various media commentators constantly evaluating and comparing all these factors. The candidates get daily questions in the field about every important issue. There is certainly no lack of comparative info out there for those who want it.
For better or worse, debates give a sense of WHO the person is: Are they thoughtful, composed, able to think on their feet, convincing, etc,etc. I don't think it's realistic to expect much more than that from debates.
April 29, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton supporters might want to be very, very careful about guilt by association. Glass houses, stones and all that.
April 29, 2008 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are (of course) absolutely correct that the Clintons have led far-from-perfect lives in that respect, as in many others. However, there are important distinctions that must be made:
(1)The Clintons are essentially known entities. We are nearly incapable of "suprise" where they are concerned. In effect, the political market has already DISCOUNTED (in the investment sense)nearly anything that could be said about them. The public mind is made-up, for better or worse.
(2)As a casual follower of Obama over this campaign, I can honestly say that I have a broad awareness of a grand total of EIGHT people from his past: his mother, his immediate family, the "slum lord", the "preacher", and the "radicals". OF COURSE that's neither complete, nor totally accurate, nor entirely fair. But somehow, that is what has made it into the public narrative. Where there is more to it than that, it's up to him and his campaign to say so.
April 29, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Points taken, but she was a known quantity before the primaries, and we got new info on Bosnia, learned about Colombia. Plus, several issues from her past are juicy enough to justify 24/7 Fox exposure and would do additional damage to her as HRC.
I just think the whole "he ha