Gravity Puts Dent in Obama Momentum
On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, conservative commentator George Will can generally be counted on to offer a stoic, offshore perspective of the internecine Democratic battles. Today, he made the point that Barack Obama has not won a single 'major' political contest against Hillary Clinton since Wisconsin on February 19th. He noted what many other observers have: Barack Obama's campaign is losing steam.
All hats off to those who correctly say that 'mathematically', it's very hard to see how Hillary Clinton shifts enough superdelegates to win -- but there is something afoot really trying to make this happen. As Maureen Dowd just said on Stephanopoulos' show, "Hillary Clinton has successfully repainted Obama from being incandescent to ineffectual."
In my own view, Hillary Clinton has run a mostly terrible campaign and has lost a dramatic lead over her opponent, but what is beginning to happen very late in the process is that "gravity" is finally taking hold on the former gravity-defying campaign of Barack Obama.
Obama is juggling a number of challenges simultaneously, and to be honest with my readers, I don't understand why all of these issues of religious patronage and friendships with people on non-profit boards (even if they were one-time radicals) are issues at all. I realize that they are to some and that these candidates need to somehow try and show that they are the most American of all Americans -- and that radicalism is somehow something to avoid. I have a different view and think that radicalism should be heard, often celebrated (with care), sometimes embraced. I don't believe in the infallibility of a president and don't want spotless pasts. But in public policy at this time, I care more about the future of the country's national security position and its conduct as a principled globally-engaged nation that does more good than harm in the world than these other social squabbles.
My dilemma in supporting either of them is that Barack Obama for the most part articulates a vision of American engagement in global problems that jumps out of the dangerous incrementalism that Bush, McCain, and even Hillary Clinton seem driven by. But my enthusiasm wanes for Obama when I note that when one scratches the surface, his proposals are far less inspiring in detail than rhetorically.
One case in point is Obama garnering credit from The Washington Note and later by notables like Fareed Zakaria for his then seemingly courageous willingness to recraft some of America's self-damaging foreign policy tangles -- like US-Cuba relations. Cuba through its embargo stifled relations with the U.S. seems to be the only place on the planet where the Cold War actually got colder in the last decade. Obama had proposed opening up family-related travel between Cuban-Americans and relatives in Cuba and increasing the financial amount that these relatives could send into Cuba.
The problem with this gesture by Obama is that it lacks the principles he himself speaks to so frequently. First of all, his proposal does not go back to the status quo that existed during the first three years of the George W. Bush administration. Even Bush before 2004 permitted non-tourist people to people exchanges and travel. This kind of engagement would seem a natural for Obama's foreign policy template -- and yet, when I asked senior foreign policy advisor, Susan Rice, about Obama moving to this pre-2004 status quo, I was told on an official Obama campaign conference call that he would not move there until certain conditions were met inside Cuba.
Since this exchange, I have heard through friends and acquaintances that Susan Rice felt I misquoted her. I have my exact notes and don't feel that was the case at all. In fact, I have a great deal of respect for Rice and listened to her views as expressed on behalf of her candidate very, very closely. The campaign has never told me formally that I misquoted her. However, I did hear from one of the other top foreign policy advisers to the Obama campaign -- on par with Rice but who we will leave unnamed -- that he has looked at the transcript and feels that "the truth lies somewhere between what she said and I said." I have asked the campaign for the transcript of that discussion, or the recording, which they keep on file -- but have not received it.
This kind of triangulation is frustrating to many -- because it plants doubts with people like me as to the seriousness and depth of Obama's positions on many issues. I still believe that Barack Obama is far ahead of Clinton in imagining a different set of institutional arrangements between America and the rest of the world, and I largely support these -- but I want to know details.
And frankly, while I disagreed with and was disappointed by Obama's timidity in going back to the Bush administration 2001-2003 status quo on Cuba, for tactical political reasons, I could understand why his campaign held the posture it did. That's politics -- and I have to keep playing my civil society role of trying to argue about the need for Obama to move further, and he needs to do what he can do.
But for the Obama camp to say one thing and then to whisper another -- one formally and another through informal assertions that a campaign principal was misquoted -- is not something that inspires trust and confidence.
In my view, US-Cuba relations are important because the way in which the next US president deals with Cuba could telegraph to a waiting, pensive world what the general contours of American behavior will be. Will we upend and change strategy with a nation in which we have had five decades of a failed policy -- or are we going to maintain the type of incrementalism that will neither win us friends globally nor fix the US-Cuba problem?
Obama's disparagement of Jimmy Carter for reaching out to Hamas was another such point. Obama needs someone of stature to try and do what can be done at developing an "internal solution" to Palestine's current civil war -- and needs to turn this new construct into something that might be able to be negotiated with. Obama will have to confront this as President -- either directly or through proxies. A senior Obama strategist told me that he didn't really disagree with my views -- but asked "If I were president, would I want Jimmy Carter to be my emissary?"
The point with Hamas is that it was not Obama's credibility on the line. He should have wished Carter well -- and should have said that if someone can pull off an arrangement that ends the killing, strife, and occupation in Israel/Palestine, then all the better.
Now the liberal netroots are frustrated with Obama as they sense him slipping away from them and towards a deference to other organs of political power, like Fox News. After Fox had run stories that lied about Obama's past relationships and positions and distorted a number of Obama's political stands, many in the netroots were shocked he would agree to appear. But then, much like President Clinton did two years ago with Chris Wallace, Obama's people promised that their candidate "would take on" Fox News. Instead, he pretty much acquiesced and promised not to be "a stranger."
None of this solves the problems with Hillary Clinton -- who seems to have outstanding policy expertise, practical level federal experience, and a level of articulateness and clear vision that Obama does not have when it comes to concrete policy debates. But in foreign policy and national security, Hillary Clinton believes in a brand of 'coercive diplomacy' and incrementalism that I find to be recipes for the ongoing disaster we are experiencing in our national security portfolio today.
Hillary Clinton was wrong in her views about the China Olympic Games ceremony boycott, wrong to not even address Israel/Palestine in her recent major foreign policy speech, and wrong to intimate that she would "obliterate" Iran -- implying the application of nuclear weapons to a conflict with Iran -- given hypotheticals between Iran and Israel that we are no where near close to. She was right during the recent Philadelphia debate to talk about security throughout the entire Middle East and not just Israel -- when Obama said "Israel's security is paramount."
Obama's relations with Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers seem to me to be sideshows -- and I don't care much about them. Frankly, Ayers sounds like a fascinating guy, and it would be better for Obama to have such relationships and to see the good and bad in great people than to try and cover those past relationships. And as the Obama campaign has said, Obama was just 8 years old when Weatherman was doing its thing.
I don't want an infallible president -- who has done nothing wrong or lived life in a bubble only with the best in society. I do want someone with a clear-headed vision who will do his or her best to chart a proactive American strategy and not triangulate at the first sign of head wind.
Obama does lack a lot of experience -- but the guy has lots of vision. His vision had me hooked for a while, and I could be hooked again.
But triangulating on principles like getting US-Cuba relations on a completely new and different course -- and getting the side products of stealing from Hugo Chavez a major boasting platform in Latin America and showing the world that there is a new, more enlightened "decider" in the Oval Office -- raises my concern level about Obama and his team.
I still feel Obama is going to win at the end of this race. But I have high expectations of the next presidential candidates -- and this blog plans to be as tough as it can be on Obama, McCain, and Clinton. The notion that he should be supported because of rhetoric and because we can't have four more years of a Bush-like presidency is not enough.
He must be for something real. He has had little federal level experience so needs to show us how that experience will both be requisitioned -- and then reorganized -- because having experience with old problems and applying old techniques is not enough in a time of significant historical discontinuity.
Obama's politics of hope in US-Cuba relations are just one example of running short when details surface. His political approach to Israel/Palestine also comes up short -- and in my view, he can talk all he wants about meeting Iran's leaders, but unless he is able to simultaneously resolve the serious outstanding issues in achieving an Israel-Palestine deal, he can't confront Iran with anything that Iran cares about in those discussions, which primarily is the spread of its influence and hegemonic role in the region.
Obama, at the beginning of his campaign, talked about the interconnectedness of our foreign policy challenges. Now, like Hillary Clinton (until her recent highly constructive comment on the need for a broad Middle East approach in the Philadelphia debate), John McCain, George Bush, and others -- Obama is talking about foreign policy in silos -- today Iraq, tomorrow Israel/Palestine, then Iran, then Syria. They are tied together -- and I used to think that Obama got that. I have doubts at the moment.
America needs a new deal not only in the Middle East but with the world -- a "grand bargain" to borrow my colleague Flynt Leverett's term -- and optically, at the level of veneer, Barack Obama is there more than Hillary Clinton or John McCain.
But his failure to talk through a new global grand strategy that synthesizes national security and American interests -- and talks realistically about the crippled situation America is in today -- leaves me disenchanted with him and at a loss with McCain and Clinton as well.
This is turning out to be a contest between least worst options for some -- not the mystique of seeing campaigns run desperately against a historically-important new "wind" -- with the wind as Obama as Howard Fineman termed him.
Gravity has set in on Obama -- and there are six months left until November.
-- Steve Clemons is Senior Fellow and Director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation and publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note















So because you didn't get a transcript from a conference call, and because one advisor did not verify the quote you made of another advisor, you conclude that Obama is 'triangulating' and perhaps being disingenuous on his commitment to opening up relations with Cuba? From the way you describe it, I have to say that this is something of an overreach. You didn't say how long you waited for the transcription of the comments, you have not said whether it is a usual and customary thing to do to provide reporters with transcripts of campaign conference calls, or whether you yourself were permitted to make a tape of the call. Without doing some more background or providing more detail, we only have your word that Obama's campaign is in some way failing to get into the details on an issue you have decided is a critical test of his foreign policy bona fides, when the only thing you really know is that two aides have not given you a confirmed quote. Uh... I see a mountain/molehill situation here.
April 27, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing that you can do is look at the RECORDS of the candidates.
The Clinton years were the MOST PEACEFUL in modern history.
Skirmishes were handled intelligently, ended quickly, with minimum loss of life.
You can listen to speeches and theorizing, but the only credible reference you have is historic record.
April 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, gravity has befallen the expectations of the author. The nature of the campaign is changing, it a reasonable expectation that Obama will win the nomination, and although the campaign is not over a transition must begin. In fact is has begun given recent pronouncements from Obama's campaign.
On foreign affairs, Iraq is the political issue for this election, the grand bargain is for another day.
April 27, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have any illusions about Obama, but I believe it is desperately important not to affirm Hillary on Iraq, Kyl-Lieberman, and her latest over-the-top commitments and threats to the middle east. If we can't defeat the neocon candidate in own party, we don't have a prayer of facing down the Republicans.
It's too much to expect Obama to stand up to the forces of Republican and Democratic neocons without strong backing from others. It's time for others in the Democratic Party to make it clear to Obama that they have his back.
April 27, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that if you see a big difference between Hillary and Obama on these issues, it is wishful thinking and willful disregard of things Obama continually says.
Fox News interview April 27, 2008:
April 27, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
blubell
I would draw your attention to the intersection between domestic presidential politics and what Tehran, Damascus, Tel Aviv, and the other players in the Middle East and elsewhere are thinking.
Even Obama at some point made sure that Pervez Musharraf understood that if there was actionable intelligence as to where Osama Bin Laden was located--even if it was within Pakistani territory--he would authorize a strike.
The issues involved are not a matter of "misunderstandings" between the parties, they are real and it behooves potential presidents to signal those powers that America is not in a weakened state despite the squabbling going on between the candidates.
Right now we are trying to get the Iranians to stop their enrichment program which could eventually lead them to acquire a nuclear weapons. If the Iranian's think that our resolve has been weakened due to inter and intra party strife, that would be a bad thing.
Just something to keep in mind.
April 28, 2008 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Bluebell. What I've seen over the past several weeks is a loosely coordinated strategy on the part of Clinton and the Republicans (with the help of MSM) to attack Obama on everything they can throw at him. And then, lo and behold, they all agree that his campaign is waning. Give it a break! But one thing is clear - we are now deciding who will represent the Democratic Party. If we decide on Clinton, I will despair for our party and our country.
Pablo
April 27, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Loiusev -- Thanks for your note. My post was about much more than my exchange with the Obama campaign over Cuba policy. But to answer your questions specifically, I am invited with other members of the press and political blogging community to on the record conference calls with the candidate's team. These sessions are like press sessions. Transcripts and tapes are kept.
My issue -- to the degree I have one -- is that I posed a question during a conference call and received an answer from Susan Rice. She was thoughtful and serious -- and she gave a sound answer. I wrote up her response --- and indicated my disagreement with it. There was no problem with any of that.
The problem came when I began to hear through third parties that Rice had tried to tell other parties that I had misquoted her and intimating as well that Barack Obama did in fact endorse something along the lines of the 2001-03 status quo in US-Cuba relations. On substantive policy grounds, I know that Obama does not agree with that position -- and Susan Rice's stated formulation to me on the phone was Obama's real position. But to intimate informally that she was misquoted and then to potentially imply that Obama's position was fuzzier than what I reported is not a professional way to deal with foreign policy writers.
Yes, it is quite normal for writers and bloggers to ask for transcripts. I did so six weeks ago.
I let the matter drop until I had lunch with one of Obama's top foreign policy advisers who raised the issue with me and who said what I did.
This is not a mountain/mole hill problem. It is a micro case regarding trying to determine what a candidate's policy really is -- and to what degree it is solid and how the decision was made.
Thanks for your questions.
Steve Clemons
April 27, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steve,
It sounds like you need to get a clarification from Susan Rice. Can't you simply do that by dropping her an email and asking for a correction rather than assuming that the campaign is dodging and weaving?
April 27, 2008 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
George Will has admirable writing skills, but he is as biased a conservative as any of them.
April 27, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for deciding to post this here as well as on your own blog (and I also send kudos for continuing to attempt to influence a raise in the quality level of games the campaigns are playing.)Your post reminded me of the time when TPMCafe had more analysis and less spin, spin of the sort starting with the presumption that one candidate or another is perfect and infallible, and then is answered with similar spin from the opposition.
April 27, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steve, correct if I'm wrong, but you've backed Hillary from before this campaign started, yes? When I sat next to you on the Acela from NY to DC, before the campaign started, you seemed very bullish on Hillary's chances and tight with many of her advisors.
So, while you think HRC's campaign has been poor, you've always preferred her to Obama, yes?
April 27, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please ignore the above - I should not have posted before reading your entire article.
April 27, 2008 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Barack Obama has all but clinched the Democratic Party's nomination for President of the United States. This apparently vexes Steve Clemons who -- like notorious Republican shill pundit George F. Will -- can't figure out how all this happened. But Mr. Clemmons has promised to stay on the case, so to speak, and threatens to figure out some important stuff one of these days. So President Barack Obama had better watch out. I think I have accurately summarized what Mr. Clemmons wanted to say in his somewhat peevish, meandering missive.
April 27, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's a classic case of wishful thinking. You want Obama to lose, so you're making a case of how he's losing, while of course he's winning. Anyone with any amount of thinking ability can see this.
Sane people support Obama.
April 27, 2008 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Puhleez. Every time I read something of this sort of thing I get depressed about the electorate, and that's coming from someone who thinks Obama is a fine, qualified candidate. Sorry, I don't buy that sanity includes agreeing with every policy of a single candidate. Some wonder why the "drink the kool aid" phrase won't go away, well think of its origins-the "supporters" of Jim Jones believed that every single word and belief of Jim Jones was correct, they supported a person rather than ideas or their own core beliefs. If the shoe fits....you have nerve questioning other's sanity.
It follows that I don't really agree with Steve Clemons all the time, actually, he tends too interventionist for my views, but at least in looking for policy points he agrees with, he always attempts to pick apart the spin of ALL the candidates. Also, if you actually care about influencing direction for politics, I'd call it sane to try to influence and change the policy of your favorite political candidates, rather than a cult of celebrity where you get your "guy/gal" elected and then you feel safe to carry on with other things, the latter seems to me and many pyschologists asi a delusional way of operating.
Actually, bringing sanity to the electoral process would be if people stopped being "supporters" of individual candidates as if they were rooting for a football quarterback. You wouldn't have the politics of personal destruction if voters weren't so personal about their choices, looking for some savior figure, instead of trying to affect the policy of the figures applying for jobs with taxpayers.
April 27, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear, hear.
April 27, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think your whole tirade only strengthens my thesis.
April 28, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mississippi on March 11 was certainly a huge Obama victory in a significant state primary -- unless some people are just discounting or making invisible primaries with large numbers of African American voters.
Will the same technique be used to set aside North Carolina? And why is it that Clinton's claim to win all "large" states does not mean that she must North Carolina as a crucial benchmark? Everyone seems to be buying the spin that Indiana is the next big test for her. By what criterion (actual or self-described), unless black voters just "don't count"?
April 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the ease with which this argument is made is rather troubling.
But then again, apparently Obama can't bowl, wink wink nudge nudge.
Oh and Obama won the political contest in Texas.
April 27, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no doubt that Obama needs to move towards the Dem establishment. He needs to mend fences with lots of folks in the media too.
He got to this far by being acceptable to some sections of the Party but some other sections are important too. It would be a mistake to not go after the Hillary constituency or her support groups in the Democratic Party.
I think going on Fox is perhaps his first move towards expanding his base. He also needs to stay within the acceptable Foreign policy parameters in Washington, DC.
Obama will have to approach Hillary supporters to end her challenge. He needs to massage his message to make it acceptable to the Hillary supporters in the party.
I think netroots would not be too upset, if he broadens his message or approaches the other groups.
April 27, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me that much of this disappointment rests on an early faulty assumption: that he was at some point not long ago "defying gravity." Who was it that propelled him into this outer realm? The press. The media. Certainly not me. Starting at a utopian vision is bound to lead to disappointment.
That said, I still think Obama will change the face of foreign policy. I still think he is light years better than McCain or Clinton on foreign policy. But he's gotta get elected to institute any of that.
April 27, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many of Clinton voters were actually Republicans who voted in the Democratic primaries as part of Rush Limbaugh's operation chaos? Maybe the superdelegates need to look into the role of the Rush Limbaugh voters in giving Hillary Clinton the wins in Pennsylvannia, Ohio, and Texas. Because without Limbaugh's operation chaos there would probably be a good chance that Obama would have wrapped up the nomination.
April 27, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the feeling that some people either intentionally or unintentionally misunderstand what Steve often has to say. As a daily reader I do sometimes find him a bit obtuse and difficult to follow, but, then again, I'm not a policy or political wonk although that could change.
I have my problems with both Clinton and Obama, but I still feel that Obama is the better choice although in the state of Alabama my vote will be much more symbolic than substantive.
By the way, I a a firm believer that symbolism matters in myriad ways!
April 27, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Adding to Obama's difficulties is the LA Times article that he helped arrange for Illinois to steer a substantial amount of state funds to a contributor - someone who bailed him out of financial trouble after he lost an election and had a dormant legal practice. It seems this man and his company hired Obama on a large retainer that represented almost all of Obama's revived legal practice. Obama didn't do anything illegal, it seems, but the article does support the growing notion that Obama is not a new politician, just a younger one.
It's a shame that the press and so many others bought into the idea that Obama was a grand mixture of JFK/RFK. It was an impossible standard to carry for an entire election cycle. Now we're left with asking, who the hell is he? I suspect he's pretty good (though Rev. Wright does bother me - I don't go for anti-Semites and the like) and I'll vote for him if he's the nominee, but I'm not so sure the country will be so generous.
April 27, 2008 11:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is refreshing to read a piece here at the TPM Cafe that does not salivate all over Obama.
Many of us detected this deficiency in Obama way at the very beginning of his campaign. His rhetoric is general enough that he actually does not commit himself to any specific action yet it inspires with promises of “hope”. He says “it's not going to be "politics as usual". Hmmm, what does that commit him to exactly; specifically? He is going to change the way things are done in Washington. You get the picture. It’s like cotton candy
When you contrast his inspiring but empty rhetoric with the way the guy operates, there is a disconnect.
How can you say that you are going to change the way Washington works when you cannot even defend your own associations with your pastor and Ms Dohrn, and Mr. Ayers?
The truth is his actions show that he is intrinsically an appeaser. I've seen him back down time and time again when I thought he should stand up and defend his position. Make good on his promise to change the way politics is conducted. The Reverand Wright had it right “he is a politician” by which he means he lies like all politicians do’
Now he is tired and exhausted. What happened?
As for incrementalism versus revolution, I would be inclined to agree with Mr. Clemons that we need more of the latter than the former. But the problem is, undoing the mess we are in is not going to be achieved by some singular massive stroke of political genius that Obama is peddling.
Iran, I/P strife, Russia, China, N Korea, Oil, the Dollar all will all have to be dealt with by specific individual actions. Granted they might be--in some cases--coordinated actions that take into account the Grand Picture. But nevertheless, it will be achieved by an incremental long term undoing of the mess we are in.
That was the disingenuous part of Obama from the start. Promising a Grand Sweep of all our problems by some transcendent gesture that will undo all the problems we are in. That's a cheap man's kind of politics. The quick fix kind that appeals to people who have no clue as to the complexity of the problems we face.
So it was Obama's shtick from the get go. Dazzle them with hopes that he will be The Man with the Plan.
Give me incrementalist Hillary any day, thank you.
April 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"But the problem is, undoing the mess we are in is not going to be achieved by some singular massive stroke of political genius that Obama is peddling."
Obama never once implied he could do any such thing. He has always said that the government must work cooperatively, with the informed oversight and support of the American people.
Obama's feet have been on the ground all along. The only "gravity" problem is the weight of the BS heaped on his head by phony journalists and ignorant citizens. He knows he's just a man, not a miracle worker.
By the way, Hillary said in last week's debate: "I'll fix the economy." She, not Obama, is delusional enough to claim the ability to make "some singular massive stroke of political genius."
April 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is elementary that politicians when campaigning for office are careful not to explicitly say what they want to imply. Obama always has implied that he will get us out of trouble by instituting an era of "new politics"
Remember, it is an old trick. Bush never said that Saddam's Iraq was involved in 9-11 yet even today 55% of the American people think that he was involved?
Are you calling the American people stupid?
You’re a quibbler and obfuscator. Anyone who has been watching Obama's campaign is fully aware what he is peddling. Some of us are not amused.
April 28, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have some better explanation for electing someone as clearly unfit to govern as GW Bush, twice? I'd love to hear it...
April 29, 2008 5:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
While Steve is a Foreign Policy writer and analyist, he seems to skip over the fact that the candidates and the party are trying to close this thing down, one way or another, and very few of the voter's decisions or the Super Delegate ones are going to be based on fine differences in Cuban Policy (aside, perhaps, from Florida.) There will be time for close policy details should he be elected. Right now the staff concerns are to alienate the fewest number of voters and SD's, and to broaded the base of support, particularly in potential battleground states. That's priority one.
If you want to frame Cuban Policy in terms that will garner SD's and support base, forget about family visits and financial transfers, but do focus on agricultural exports to Cuba. At one point the Clinton Administration allowed negotiations to proceed for the sale of dressed Turkey and Turkey parts to Cuba -- something that very much interests Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri and a few other Turkey producing states that may also be competitive in the fall. The contracts still exist, but have been shelved. Just announcing that they will be re-examined and perhaps allowed to execute would have a significant influence in parts of these states. "Foreign Policy" is not a voting issue unless it directly impacts. Export Policy as a subset of Foreign Policy certainly is.
April 28, 2008 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whuah? huh? Oh, sorry, I fell asleep while reading the article. Maybe it was this part:
"...[Hillary Clinton] seems to have outstanding policy expertise, practical level federal experience, and a level of articulateness and clear vision that Obama does not have when it comes to concrete policy debates."
You could easily substitute the names Nixon and Kennedy for Hillary and Obama in that sentence. And Nixon never even claimed to be under sniper fire!
Let's not forget that Obama is the only Democratic candidate who is not completely full of shit.
April 28, 2008 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Steve, a friendly warning: you might want to cool the Obama-shouldn't-dance-with-Fox theme.
It could earn you the kind of verbal pummelling Greg Sargent has just earned himself. It's not a pretty sight.
You're right about one thing. Obama's foreign policy thrust is fine, but his particulars are certainly open to criticism: his anti-NAFTA and pro-AIPAC ones come immediately to mind.
But cut the man some slack: he's been pandering only to the extent that's necessary to forestall a no-holds-barred Hillary ad assault.
At least he didn't chime in that he would obliterate Iran twice as totally as Hillary would.
His overall instincts are far saner -- and to the extent that this primary race allows nuance, he's been nuanced.
Finally, face facts: you no longer get to choose between Hillary and Obama. The votes are all but counted, and it's already Obama vs. McCain -- which should put your niggling objections in perspective.
Someone who distances himself from Carter's talks with Hamas would definitely get my vote over someone who doesn't have a clue whether Iran is Shiite or Sunni.
April 28, 2008 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"he made the point that Barack Obama has not won a single 'major' political contest against Hillary Clinton since Wisconsin." That's quite the point to make. I would have thought winning the Texas Primacaucus was kind of major, and also winning enough votes in Mississipi to make up for the delegates lost in Ohio was kind of major. But silly, silly me. Hillary is on a winning streak of 1 and the chattering classes, desparate to keep a contest alive that is effectively over, pretend she is on a winning streak by ignoring the actual measure that will matter, the delegate count. At least the more innane of the chattering classes do this. The slightly less innane realize this storyline is over in 10 days and are starting to search out a new one to be ahead of the curve.
April 28, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it is the media perception game, not gravity that hit the Obama Campaign---I am amazed at how effective the media is at truly becoming the messenger. In that regard you have to give it to Hillary Clinton--she has effectively fed the media-sheep who are in turn feeding the public-sheep. If we read and search and listen directly to candidates we are better off than allowing ourselves to be fed. If we abdicate our responsibility to think for ourselves, then George Will, Maureen Dowd and anyone else who wants to can tell us how to perceive. It's a choice to reject another person's perception for our own. Boycott mainstream media efforts to give the bias of the day!
April 28, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Barack Obama has not won a single 'major' political contest against Hillary Clinton since Wisconsin on February 19th."
How convenient. Pick as your starting point February 19, which was the conclusion of Obama's streak of 11 straight wins. Ignore several successes by Obama since that date because they aren't "major." Ignore the fact that Obama won more delegates in Texas (and came within 4 points in the primary). Ignore the fact that Obama closed the gap significantly in Ohio. Ignore the fact that by accident of the calendar that for many weeks of that period the only primary scheduled was a state where Hillary started with a 25-point lead, and ended up winning by less than 10.
People are struggling to find explanations for Obama's losses in TX, OH and PA, even though you could have predicted all of those losses well in advance. Just like the fact that the Clinton campaign knew they were going to lose that long streak of states between Super Tuesday and Ohio/Texas. In the few days before PA there were lots of stories about how Hillary was probably going to win but not pick up a huge number of delegates. Then exactly that happens and all the talking heads suddenly decide that the storyline is "Obama's sinking!"
April 28, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Plus, the entire hand-wringing over these losses rests on the completely absurd premise that a vote for Hillary in the primary means a vote for McCain in the general.
I would also be a little more concerned about PA and OH losses except for the fact that the entire Democratic Party infrastructure in both of those states was supporting Hillary.
Once Hillary's voters face a choice between Obama and McCain, and the Dem machines in OH and PA have no choice but Obama, it'll all be good.
I agree with the posters who feel that the media just wants a wire-to-wire dogfight, and is doing everything in its power to make this more of a contest than it really is.
And I'm amazed Steve can spend an entire post criticizing Obama's foreign policy, while admitting sotto voce that Hillary's is much worse. This is not the first time he's done so (in fact, I don't recall a single post criticizing Hillary's foreign policy outright), and in fact seems to fit in with the establishment and the media's preference for Clinton, simply because they know her better.
April 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...the establishment and the media's preference for Clinton, simply because they know her better"
They know she won't rock the boat.
April 28, 2008 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you invite Obama onto TPMCafe to discuss these issues once he's the official nominee.
April 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
As to the policy issues discussed in the OP, it sounds like you're saying that although Hillary's approach to foreign relations is unnacceptable, Obama can't win you over unless he sacrifices some Jewish and Hisapanic voters in the process.
April 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
And THIS post may compleet the "Triumvirate Curse of Threes"!!
Pres. Carter and Rev. Wright represent an inconvenient political reality and truth that the status quo will CRUCIFY any who challenges their authority. It is interesting in this Easter-Passover season that the words and deeds of these two "cultural heretics" have been dragged into the forum for the inquisitory mandarins of cultural rectitude to lash them both severely, along with anyone else associated with them. (Ahh, Simon of Galillee, where art thou?)
For Carter, the Hamas legitimacy for Palestinian expression, and, for Wright, the victims who've been the collateral damage of US Govt benign or malignant neglect are denied a robust advocacy due to the culture that is suppressed by these mandarin-oligarchs. Pres. Carter's trip and advocacy for LISTENING to the grievances and proposals of those, who'd otherwise would use violence as their political expression, is denounced by the mandarins who do nothing more than give lip-service sympathy to the plight of the civilians population, a lip-srvice as meaningless and hollow as their political posturing for the plight of the people of Darfur.
Rev. Wright's bombasity in the tradition of the social gospel that echoes Jesus' driving the coin collectors and hawkers from out of the temple continues the ecclesiastical debate of whether subservience to authority (Rome) espoused by St Paul excludes the rebuking of secular authority that a prophet Samuel would have rained down on King Saul. Is there a devotion to principle that trumps nationalism and parochial provincialism? Even Jesus rebuked the pharissees and sadduccees as HE rebuked the cities and towns of Judah and Israel for their abuse of the poor and the weak.
Because the main stream "bleeds it leads" media has not done an investigation of the spread of AIDS or the distribution of cocaine and crack during the Iran-Contra administration of St Ronnie Reagan with his ex-CIA chief Veep, George H. W. Bush, as tooo conspiratorial and irresponsible a topic, the questions go begging "how was it, beyond the easy reductionist blaming personal irresponsibility, that such an esoteric virus and non-native plant product were able to have such widely insidious distributive spread in the black and minority communities?"
No such questions or insinuations are allowed. Cultural suppression for political expediency and the narrative of historical stereotypes and myths must be maintained. Jimmy Carter and Jeremiah Wright are secularly god-damned for their political and cultural heresies.
Let the mobs howl in the forum for these two criminals of the "state of suppressed questions" be condemned and rhetorically crucified and their legacy be in the pauper's graves of infamy and disgrace. But those with eyes to see and ears to hear know for themselves despite the Orwellian dissemblings of those who'd allow the inequity and injustice go unquestioned for any open serious discussion and debate.
April 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
As usual, I come late to the party, worn out by a work schedule w. two jobs, and thoroughly mashed tonite by the contradictory directives and the double-binds of the bosses at one of America's largest supermarkets. C'est la Vie.
Nevertheless. The problem is, there is no one really speaking for the necessary position: America the democratic nation needs to NOT have an imperialist foreign policy.
Unfortunately, by winning World War II our grandfathers were put in an untenable Imperial position, and they slid and slided and postured as best they could with it, but somehow for the last few decades the Imperial Imperative on not upsetting America's imperial position has become the norm; or not just the norm, the ring that must be kissed in every "official" discussion of the situation, such as on TV by anyone or by any political candidate anywhere.
And it's killing us and killing the planet. All of our efforts to maintain the empire grow more frantic with less success. We spend more money THAN ALL OTHER NATIONS ON EARTH COMBINED on "defense" and "security" and "intelligence," yet we are noticeably LESS afraid of attack, MORE insecure and MORE stupid than other nations. (Please, please, repeat this in thousands of letters to AP-associated newpapers.)
The comments on the blogs show it: there is a minority, maybe ten million of us, maybe just five or three million of American citizens and residents, who understand: America the democratic nation needs to NOT have an imperialist foreign policy.
(Certainly both Clinton and Obama are deeply flawed and deficient in this respect, for those of us who understand. However, in my prev. posts on TPM I explain why I will swim with the Obama tide as I'm one of the few who still have the chance to vote against Hillary.)
There is no political organization that speaks for us, and the zeitgeist of the culture militates AGAINST serious people giving serious, organized, attention to the problem of American imperialism ... indeed the culture as whole, including all the anti-authoritarian people who OUGHT TO be on "our" side, seems to be going straight to ignorant hell in an SUV at high speed.
Global Exchange and Code Pink come the closest to speaking to our concerns, but certainly GE and probably as far as I understand CP also are organized as 501(c)3's, in other words legally barred from endorsing candidates and overt political lobbying.
The millions of American citizens and residents who understand that America the democratic nation needs to NOT have an imperialist foreign policy deserve to have a FRANKLY POLITICAL organization that reflects their views. If people with even greater activist reputations and expertise do not do so first, I will re-organize my life to accomplish this much-needed goal ... and to reprise the ancient junior high joke that was used against me plenty ... that's BOTH a threat and a promise. (Oh, and by the way, I have a solid reputation for organizing small-d democratic activist organizations.)
See my previous TPM posts on this subject, going back at least a year, for further ramifications of this basic postulate of the need for an activist POLITICAL organization focused on lobbying and educating AGAINST American imperialism in all its manifestations. Just before I got my vacation near the end of Feb., another TPM reader put up a gmail box for communications toward this organization -- did he, or will he, ever receive any email ?
April 29, 2008 4:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
all the proofreading the world, that should be "MORE afraid of attack" in the foutrth paragraph.
April 29, 2008 4:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
The fact that you compliment the objectivity of George Will (at the beginning of the piece no less), destroys your credibility. Republicans (particularly fringe ones) rarely give objective observations on Obama. And George Will is the biggest elitist in America. He is a joke. I saw what he said, and it was no less agenda-driven than any other comment he has made in the corporatist media realm.
But this article falls into the new theme here and at HuffPo: Complaint articles about Obama everywhere all the time never let up never stop bitching.
Seriously, can we talk about something else? Perhaps that this was the deadliest month since September in that thing we are engaged in...what's the word?...Oh right, WAR!!!
But no, I want to hear about Wright. All Wright, all the time, not my neighbor getting blown away by an IED. Keep it coming. I am gettign smarter by the minute.
April 29, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink