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Journalists Slam ABC Debate Tactics

[Note: The following is a sign-on letter to ABC to which I was a signer. I am posting it in my slot at TPMCafe to help circulate it, not because I played a lead role in drafting it.]

We, the undersigned, deplore the conduct of ABC's George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson at the Democratic Presidential debate on April 16. The debate was a revolting descent into tabloid journalism and a gross disservice to Americans concerned about the great issues facing the nation and the world. This is not the first Democratic or Republican presidential debate to emphasize gotcha questions over real discussion. However, it is, so far, the worst.

For 53 minutes, we heard no question about public policy from either moderator. ABC seemed less interested in provoking serious discussion than in trying to generate cheap shot sound-bites for later rebroadcast. The questions asked by Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mr. Gibson were a disgrace, and the subsequent attempts to justify them by claiming that they reflect citizens' interest are an insult to the intelligence of those citizens and ABC's viewers. Many thousands of those viewers have already written to ABC to express their outrage.

The moderators' occasional later forays into substance were nearly as bad. Mr. Gibson's claim that the government can raise revenues by cutting capital gains tax is grossly at odds with what taxation experts believe. Both candidates tried, repeatedly, to bring debate back to the real problems faced by ordinary Americans. Neither moderator allowed them to do this.

We're at a crucial moment in our country's history, facing war, a terrorism threat, recession, and a range of big domestic challenges. Large majorities of our fellow Americans tell pollsters they're deeply worried about the country's direction. In such a context, journalists moderating a debate--who are, after all, entrusted with free public airwaves--have a particular responsibility to push and engage the candidates in serious debate about these matters. Tough, probing questions on these issues clearly serve the public interest. Demands that candidates make pledges about a future no one can predict or excessive emphasis on tangential "character" issues do not. This applies to candidates of both parties.

Neither Mr. Gibson nor Mr. Stephanopoulos lived up to these responsibilities. In the words of Tom Shales of the Washington Post, Mr. Gibson and Mr. Stephanopoulos turned in "shoddy, despicable performances." As Greg Mitchell of Editor and Publisher describes it, the debate was a "travesty." We hope that the public uproar over ABC's miserable showing will encourage a return to serious journalism in debates between the Democratic and Republican nominees this fall. Anything less would be a betrayal of the basic responsibilities that journalists owe to their public.

Spencer Ackerman, The Washington Independent
Eric Alterman, City University of New York
Dean Baker, The American Prospect Online
Steven Benen, The Carpetbagger Report
Julie Bergman Sender, Balcony Films
Ari Berman, The Nation
Brian Beutler, The Media Consortium
Michael Berube, Crooked Timber, Pennsylvania State University
Joel Bleifuss, In These Times
Sam Boyd, The American Prospect
Lakshmi Chaudry, In These Times
Joe Conason, Journalist and Author
Brad DeLong, Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal and UC Berkeley
Kevin Drum, The Washington Monthly
Henry Farrell, Crooked Timber, George Washington University
James Galbraith, University of Texas at Austin
Todd Gitlin, Columbia University, TPM Cafe
Merrill Goozner (formerly Chicago Tribune)
Ilan Goldenberg, The National Security Network
Robert Greenwald, Brave New Films
Christopher Hayes, The Nation
Don Hazen, Alternet
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Ed Kilgore, The Democratic Strategist
Richard Kim, The Nation
Ezra Klein, The American Prospect
Mark Kleiman, UCLA/The Reality Based Community
Scott McLemee, Inside Higher Ed
Ari Melber, The Nation
Rick Perlstein, Campaign for America's Future
Katha Pollitt, The Nation
David Roberts, Grist
Thomas Schaller, Columnist, The Baltimore Sun
Mark Schmitt, The New America Foundation
Adele Stan, The Media Consortium
Jonathan Stein, Mother Jones Magazine
Mark Thoma, The Economist's View
Michael Tomasky, The Guardian
Cenk Uygur, The Young Turks
Tracy Van Slyke, The Media Consortium
Kai Wright, The Root

Late update:

These people signed after Dean posted:

Spencer Ackerman, Washington Independent
Thomas Adcock, New York Law Journal
Eric Alterman, City University of New York
Dean Baker, The American Prospect Online
Steven Benen, The Carpetbagger Report
Julie Bergman Sender, Balcony Films
Ari Berman, The Nation
Brian Beutler, The Media Consortium
Michael Bérubé, Crooked Timber, Penn. State University
Joel Bleifuss, In These Times
Sam Boyd, The American Prospect
Will Bunch, Philadelphia Daily News
Lakshmi Chaudry, In These Times
Michael Cohen, The New America Foundation
Lark Corbeil, Public News Service
Brad DeLong, Brad DeLong's Semi-Daily Journal, UC Berkeley
Adam Doster, In These Times
Kevin Drum, The Washington Monthly
Gerald Dworkin, UC Davis
Henry Farrell, Crooked Timber, George Washington University
James Galbraith, University of Texas at Austin
Todd Gitlin, Columbia University, TPM Cafe
Merrill Goozner, (formerly Chicago Tribune)
Ilan Goldenberg, The National Security Network
Arthur Goldhammer, Harvard University
Robert Greenwald, Brave New Films
Chris Hayes, The Nation
Don Hazen, Alternet
James Johnson, University of Rochester
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Ed Kilgore, The Democratic Strategist
Charlie Kireker, Air America Media
Richard Kim, The Nation
Ezra Klein, The American Prospect
Mark Kleiman, The Reality Based Community, UCLA
Ralph Luker, Cliopatria
Scott McLemee, Inside Higher Ed
Ari Melber, The Nation
Luke Mitchell, Harper's Magazine
Rick Perlstein, Campaign for America's Future
Katha Pollit, The Nation
Joy-Ann Reid, The South Florida Times
David Roberts, Grist
Thomas Schaller, Columnist, The Baltimore Sun
Adele Stan, The Media Consortium
Jonathan Stein, Mother Jones Magazine
Rinku Sen, ColorLines Magazine
Matthew Shugart, UC San Diego
Matt Steinglass, Deutsche Presse-Agentur
Mark Thoma, The Economist's View
Michael Tomasky, The Guardian
Cenk Uygur, The Young Turks
Tracy Van Slyke, The Media
Consortium
J. Harry Wray, DePaul University
Kai Wright, The Root
Matthew Yglesias, The Atlantic Monthly


Comments (82)

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More of this, please!!!!

Thanks for posting this, Dean! And for playing a lead role in drafting it, too. Just one thing about my signature -- I'm at Penn State, not U Penn. Out here in the heartland, not on the coast with those decadent elites.

DEAREST DEAN,

Again, I'm sorry you were not invited to the barbeque. I promise you will be next time. But in the meantime could you take down this revenge post and stop filling my voice mail with the crying jags?

Sincerely
Charlie Gibson

Dear Mr. Baker,

Please stop calling us. We will not sign your goofy screed. Sorry you couldn't find any work this week. Maybe next week will improve for you.

Sincerely
All the OTHER JOURNALISTS


Remember: Ask your cashier for "Change I can belive in.

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The questions asked by Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mr. Gibson were a disgrace, and the subsequent attempts to justify them by claiming that they reflect citizens' interest are an insult to the intelligence of those citizens and ABC's viewers.

This is the part that steams me. These MSM journalists keep saying they have to ask these kinds of questions because "everyone is talking about these issues." But in fact that's not true. A lot of broadcast journalists are talking about those issues, incessantly, and among themselves. But the vast majority of people don't care. I can honestly say I never heard a single person here at work talk about flag pins or William Ayers or whether hard times make them more or less disposed to cling to their religions. And I can tell you my place of business contains a very broad and diverse cross section of people.

On the other hand, I hear people almost everyday talk about gas prices, food prices, family medical issues and health care, their kids' college bills and loans, etc. People like Gibson and Stephanopoulos are nitwits. They don't have a clue.

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Here here.

In reply to Dan K ... Amen!

Exactly. Dan K, your comments parallel the laughable notion that Senator Obama was being accused of being "elitist" and dismissive of small town America by a mostly male cadre of individuals who make millions of dollars a year to wear makeup and talk. I was disheartened to see Senator Clinton going along with this sad play, and further disheartened to see her supporters playing the "what goes around comes around" card in the days since. The goal is good journalism, not bad journalism masquerading as good when it hurts our opponents.

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That is sheer genius. Could I suggest a separate post?

I do hear tose topics brought up arround here ocasionaly but only by those who would never vote for a Democrat.

BTW I live in a city that has a monument to the founder of the KKK.

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Noble point, it is time to bring back tar and feathering.

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Strike up a conversation with any homeless person on the subway, and more often than not you'll find that their downward spiral began due to estate taxation.

And don't even get your waitress started on capital gains rates -- she'll likely spill coffee all over you in a fit of apoplectic rage.

Or not.

Yeah, as a retired person, I find the income tax to be an almost insurmountable obstacle to my financial well being. If it weren't for that abominable tax, capital gains tax especially, I could eat meat more than once a week. I'm thinking of starting a new lobbying organization, "Disadvantaged for Capital Gains Tax Relief".

This is a good place to mention the discovery that ABC hand-picked the flag pin questioner from a NY Times article just for her position, so she could appear to ask the question of the candidates rather than the moderators. A deeply severe lapse of journalistic ethics on the part of ABC, for which it should be very ashamed, and very much taken to task.

Exactly

Don't forget outsourcing
and everything being mfg in China

Sorry Michael,

i corrected that one.

Dean

Thanks! Dear old State thanks you, too.

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Dean, Just a question. If Barack would have faired better, if he would have been able to be eloguent and straightforward in his answers, if he had been considered the "winner" would you still be howling to the moon?

You realize how ridiculous that letter looks don't you?

are you saying you agree with S&G that we should pick our president based on whether they wear jewelry on their jacket? or just that it's ridiculous to point out how ludicrous it is?

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Not at all. Just after how many...well over 20 debates to finally come out with a letter saying that the Debates are stupid is a little disingenouos at this point. Especially as a journalist that has the ability to comment on the process each and every day. Or in other words, Where have you been?

No one is saying "debates are stupid." But most people are saying ABC's debate was a joke.

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Late in the game. The one here in Cleveland was equally dumb and stupid. If your not going to have them sit down face to face as a form of Debate then quit wasting everyones time. All these things are are well orchestrated commercials. I am not taking sides....they are just dumb and don't prove anything.

Not "debates." This debate.

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Come on. All of them are silly. They never do anything. I support Hillary but she didn't "win" anything no more than he "lost" anything.

You're just as off-base in this thread as in every other. If there were ever to be an imposter posting as Louisville1974, we would know it immediately. Your lack of lucidity and reading for comprehension is as unique as a fingerprint.

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Thanks for not even talking to the point but just trying to slam me. Its ok. I've come to expect it from you and all your Obamaista buddies. The problem with you is that you put up relavant information about anything. Instead, as soon as you see someone you disagree with you pounce. But, again, that is quite typcial of a Obamaista. And your smell is the same no matter the name. Good Luck!

You realize how ridiculous your question is, don't you? Especially given your obvious troll history here? I wonder where you were when Hillary cried in NH or when she decried the media for stating she was being treated unfairly. I know exactly where you were: pointing fingers at Obama and the MSM for lack of fairness.

The same treatment of all candidates is all we or anyone should rightfully request. And resorting to 6th grade level questions in a debate is outrageous, even HRC and McCain supporters would have to agree. Otherwise all this is is an exercise in creating a sport of politics. And maybe that's the point: to get people who have no interest in thinking to spend just enough attention to the soundbytes. To continue along the path of ignorance and not impede upon our entertainment and leisure, but to create entertainment or leisure in the "races" between the candidates.

And it's "fared" not "faired." Thanks.

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Thanks Eddie,I always knew were a such a great and knowledgeable guy. Troll? No more than you. Or anyone else here or are Obamaistas the only ones with great ideas and super posts. Please. My point is that for journalists with a way to talk about debates everyday to be complaining now is silly.

Ever think of a career as a teacher eddie?

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About as ridiculous as this comment makes you sound. Do you just not realize that this sort of shoddy slam-n-glam journalism is bad for EVERYONE, not just your preferred candidate? I don't like Hillary, I'm not voting for Hillary, but that nasty bit of political theater was sickening no matter who it was aimed at.

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Kordo, my POINT was that all the debates are slam and glam journalism and as a way to evaluate candidates it sucks. If they were going to have something substantial then they would have face to face Lincoln/Douglas rules debates. The ones they have now are arranged commericials.

That there are journalists that are now complaining is.....a little dumb.

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Where is Josh's name?

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seems only supporters of the lier in chief think that was a fair "debate".
i wonder why.

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"Fox and Fiends" thought it was a really good debate too.

Game, set and match.

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it's wrong of me to dismiss you because you can't spell, isn't it?

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Elitest...yes.

Hells yeah. Obama is slowly but surely changing the tone in Washington, something I didn't believe was possible.

somehow I think they really will get the message of this letter.

just in time for the mccain interview.

Please understand that I am in compete agreement wih the sentiment expressed in the letter about the sorry state of news industry mangagement of our public discourse. But can someone please explain how a petition of liberal writers can possibly have any positive effect on the American Broadcasting Company, the shareholders of its parent company Disney, or generally upon a comfortably deregulated broadcast/cable industry that will obviously do anything it needs to do to stay that way.

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It won't, of course, but the 10,000 complaints might, and if enough people make a stink about it it'll at least be acknowledge as "controversial" by the mainstream media, which might be enough to give ABC News some pause before putting on another three-ring circus act.

I was afraid of answers like that. Let me rephrase the question: What good does it do to appeal to the broadcast/cable communications industry to police itself? None of these complaints or protests are anything new. We have big media reform conferences every year, and HR 3302 (The Media Ownership Reform Act of 2005) has since died in committee. From where I sit, we need fewer complaints, protests and petitions appealing to the industry to self-regulate and more solid and consistent efforts to achieve legislation that will restore regulatory standards like the equal-time provision of the fairness doctrine and media ownership limits.

Chinese Proverb: A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

Like the kid who noticed the emperor had no clothes, every protest has to start somewhere.

Thank you. When Plan B is "Do nothing and let things stand as they are," true progressives should be closely examining Plan A, not making excuses.

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That was sheer genius. Can I suggest a separate post?

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Again what gets me is that the question of electability is a falsehood, for how does one explain 14M votes....if it were Kucinich or Gravel or Dodd or Biden than I could see that because of the votes....

This bushwack and that was what it was and to think that ABC would validate it that would be to admit they are a biased and non journalistic organization is ridiculous.

This is nothing but the institutional control mechanism of the old establishment.

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Hillary should never have jumped into the fray. Someone needs to tell her and her operatives that she has not mastered the art of mud slinging. Boomerang slinging? Yes indeed.

Exactly. She just can't help herself.

Dean, this is just sad.

Clearly you are all bitter about having lost the debate. You didn't hear ME whining about it, did you?


(Seriously, bravo to everyone involved.)

I heard Andrea Mitchell yesterday say that this Ayers thing has been something the Clinton camp has been talking about in the background and have been trying to push for quite some time in the hopes that it would get a broad public airing which they in turn could play to the hilt. No legitimate press organization bit. But ABC News did - making all but certain it would be heard along in one fell swoop to an attentive viewing audience of 11 mill.

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Is there one person on this list that doesn't support Obama?

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Konkles, does your question have something to do with the 'debate'? Please clarify.

Not this petition in particular, but similar complaints have been issued by the likes of Editor & Publisher, Philadelphia Daily News, Washington Post, and The Guardian.

TPM is part of Obama Central--Internet Division.

I'm a Hillary supporter myself and find Obama to be eloquent and all that but no big shakes in the kitchen. So I post my shtick and wade through all the syrupy Pro Obama anti Clinton crap that gets posted here. It gets boring and in all honesty counterproductive. If MJ is right and millions of people all over the world read this stuff here, then I'm thinking we need to get back to real discussions and not monotone campaign propaganda.

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Thank you, Dean.

Just when we desperately need real journalism, we get corporate whores -- Gibson and Stephanopoulos.

That 'debate' sickened me to the core of my soul.

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I would like to see Katrina's name - but that would probably mean the end of her appearing on George's "This Week".

Sign, Katrina, sign.

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I would like to see Gibson and Stephanopoulos' claim regarding the "electability" issue more thoroughly examined. Why should this *ever* be the focus of a journalist in a debate format? For that matter, why should it be the focus of a journalist in any context. As I see it, there's absolutely nothing in such a discussion that might advance serious consideration of important matters of public policy. How has this come to pass as even a gesture toward serious journalism? Is this linked to the ubiquity of polls?

To me what abc did was stage an ambush! (interesting that word contains the word "bush")

This outrage and offense to both candidates and voters must stop!

A debate should be moderated by people who are not invested in raising viewership. It should be moderated by people who do not badger or hector the debators. Questions should come ideally from normal voters or a survey of such voters.

And the two who participated in this week's ambush should be forced to apologize and then disciplined.

As a citizen and a voter I remind them both that they are not aristocrats and we are not peasants. Mocking audience ire was particularly offensive to this writer.

I applaud all those who have signed this letter. And I look forward to seeing additional names in the near future.

At a time when our nation is in peril and a near dictatorship has led to untold national damage, it is intolerable that the press and media have failed in their duties to the citizenry, instead pandering to those who have supported a dictator.

This is not the first Democratic or Republican presidential debate to emphasize gotcha questions over real discussion. However, it is, so far, the worst.

Where has journalism been for the past umpteen years? I'm concerned that the thrill of competition and/or drive to maximize profits have corrupted the profession. I would like to think journalists are insightful and savvy of how easily they are manipulated and how they are co-opted by politicians with particular agendas. With all due respect, many of you look foolish and stupid, e.g., Stephanopoulis and Gibson or the worst journalist of the supposed "best political reporting team on television," Wolf Blitzer.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to give special mention Tim Russert and Chris Matthews who also continue to disappoint.

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Good question!

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Hillary-istas in general seem to have liked the debate, which just further proves the criticism that Hillary will do anything to win the nomination including resorting to GOP-friendly tactics, even if it means destroying Obama's electability in the general should he win out over here (and, he most likely will).

Just because Obama looked worse than Hillary, does not mean that this was a 'good' debate for Hillary. Rest assured that the Republicans will use this debate as ammunition in the general.

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This just adds to the growing impression of Obama as a victim. That kind of approach didn't help Jesse Jackson. So far, at least, when it comes to presidential politics, Americans prefer fighters to victims.

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Otto, if Barack fights, the media will carefully paint him as an Anti-American militant black. The Wright nonsense has set up this scenario. "Look, he's getting mad just like Wright! He hates America! He's crazy!"

I have to admit that I didn't bother to watch the debate - I knew what to expect and preferred to catch the recap of it later from sources that I respect.

But, that's a sad statement, isn't it? I don't watch television news at all. I've learned not to trust most mainstream news sources. I got to a few sources on the internet and I check the information that I find there. But how many people go to all of that trouble?

Our mainstream news media options are not what they used to be and their impact on our culture and society is really troubling.

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Hillary's response:

"Can I say that I’ve been through, what, 23 of these debates? And as I recall, I was asked some pretty tough questions in nearly every one of them. That goes with the territory. Having been inside the White House, I know the pressures inside the White House; I know how hard it is every single day. When the going gets tough you can’t run away. And it’s going to be tough going to deal with these hard problems; getting out of Iraq in the right way, turning the economy around, getting universal health care, ending our dependence on foreign oil. The special interests are going to be a lot tougher than 90 minutes of questions from two journalists and we need a president who is going to be up there fighting everyday for the American people and not complain about how much pressure there is, and how hard the questions are."

Shorter Hillary: I'm only against this bullshit when it harms me.

I'm glad some real journalists are making a stand against ABC. For us non-journalists, MoveOn is circulating a petition and FAIR also has a good action item for this one (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3347).


For 53 minutes, we heard no question about public policy from either moderator.

Since BHO and HRC have miniscule policy differences, there seems little point in debating with two "debaters" on the same side of the question.

Gibson is a product of the prostitution business, er, I mean journalism. But, Stephanopoulos has absolutely no excuse for this disgraceful performance which is not isolated to the debate but each and every time he is on the air. A bigger whore never hit the airwaves! He used his position with the Clintons in the 90's to land a cushy job on a network so he could get rich. He is a piece of crap and he produces nothing but crap on tv. Swine like little Georgey ought never to be allowed on the air.

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I am ashamed at the journalist that signed this letter. The question that were being asked goes to the character of the person. Obama has not been truthful with any of his answers, so why not ask him. He showed his true colors. He is not very good unless he has a script to go by. Now that he is whining, the journalist are crying foul. Shame on you. I didn't see a letter when Hillary was being attacked. Now tell me about the bias of the news media.

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"He is not very good unless he has a script to go by."

Vici, that is precisely the opposite of the truth. Obama is a genuine intellectual capable of grasping big perspectives, fine details, and everything in between. He is a very good listener and speaks spontaneously very well.

He prefers to be honest and direct, but he is sometimes a weasel. He is a politician.

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You don't have to be ashamed of others expressing their opinion. It's a right that we have in this country. Perhaps the people who felt that Hillary was treated unfairly just didn't feel strongly enough to bother to write a letter. Whose fault is that?

You don't get it. Hillary did not see any reason to write letters of protest since she can take a punch without having her surrogates cry "foul". She is one tough lady. The Obama campaign calls her a "monster". Guess she scares them in the dark.

Hillary shows that she IS ready to get in there and take punches without running to Momma. Obama, well is rather delicate and thin-skinned. Not a trait you want in a president.

That she complained that she was getting all the punches and Obama was being given a free ride is a legitimate complaint contrary to the faux criticism coming from Penn State English Department.
No Obama is unique is his whining ways.

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Say NO to NEWS -- Media Black out

Turn off the TV sets....

I am soooo sick of this gotcha TMZ crap. This is newsworthy. Welcome to the dumbing down of America. How about we "black out" them all between April 23rd - May 5th? Can we campaign junkies handle it? Every single network is getting these idiotic shots in, because we the masses are feeding on it. Say NO to NEWS between PA - NC/IN!!!

Dean, good work, though I already sent my own critical but polite letter to ABC.

I'm taking note of other journalists, TV and print, that are completely ignoring, if not defending, the pathetic performance of Steph and Gibson.

It looks like they're circling the wagons........business as usual.

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Well done, I agree with you entirely. The debate was pathetic, the questions stupid and cheap. Prime example of how the media is totally out of touch with public and keep harping on beat up issues that no one has an interest in any more. Shame on ABC, shame on Charlie & George.

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As someone who voted for neither Obama nor Clinton in the primary, I have no vested interest in who "won" the debate. And it's true that it's difficult to have a debate between two candidates when the differences in their positions wouldn't fill a thimble.

But flag pins!!! Flag pins!!! How many people even notice whether someone's wearing a flag pin unless it's really big and sparkly or clashes with someone's tie? (No flag pin with brown--ever.)

The whole thing was embarrassing and I wished I'd spent the two hours weaving instead.

Just because ABC has raised the ire of this list of journalist, I applaud them.

I don't make distinctions between the bandwagon phenomenon of the MSM and the same phenomenon in the internet or the Village.

ABC hit a sensitive nerve in Obama’s (let's call them) "supporters". That is a blow against the Machine in my book.

These signatories are loath to admit that it is not just them who are shilling for Obama, it is practically the entire MSM. That's an inconvenient truth. They are merely piggy backing on the MSM. They are in sync.
These bandwagon phenomena are corrosive to democracy. Look at Mathew, Olbermann , Blitzer, Borger, you name them, they are anti Hillary and pro Obama. Pew Research Has has proven it. It is a fact,

Yet these "journalist" feign outrage that such a dastardly deed as asking Obama some hard questions even happened. Shame on ABC! So they shout.

I say Bravo for ABC's Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos. Are they playing the tune of the establishment media? Au contraire they remain true to fair journalism.

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Not one of the four people on that stage was wearing a flag pin. How important was it?

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Senator Clinton's diamond earrings, however, were stunning. Why couldn't they ask her where she got them?

Blind mouthes! that scarce themselves know how to hold A Sheep-hook, or have learn'd ought els the least [ 120 ] That to the faithfull Herdmans art belongs! What recks it them? What need they? They are sped; And when they list, their lean and flashy songs Grate on their scrannel Pipes of wretched straw, The hungry Sheep look up, and are not fed, [ 125 ] But swoln with wind, and the rank mist they draw, Rot inwardly, and foul contagion spread: Besides what the grim Woolf with privy paw Daily devours apace, and nothing sed, But that two-handed engine at the door, [ 130 ] Stands ready to smite once, and smite no more.
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Otto F (and Hillary)
Regarding Hillary's reply-
"The special interests are going to be a lot tougher than 90 minutes of questions from two journalists and we need a president who is going to be up there fighting everyday for the American people and not complain about how much pressure there is, and how hard the questions are."

There were no "hard" questions on ABC. Poor questions not related to policy in anyway what so ever should not be equated with hard. This debate was an ambush and bad news for Obama AND Hillary. Remember the Today Show interview with an aquitted alleged rapist (served something like 10 years) and the accuser with Katie Couric where she asked if they would hug and make up? That was Gibson asking Hillary and Obama to pledge to make the other a running mate. Both candidates should have just said to each other right then, "Look, we disagree on how to run the country, but I think we can agree this is a set-up. Let's split."

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I was disappointed to see Katrina vanden Heuvel's name revealingly missing from the journalist list of those "slamming" the recent ABC debate moderators. Conflict of interest because you're a regular round-table guest of "This Week"? If you're concerned about being invited back to the round-table where you are, at least to me, the only reasonable voice of dissent, don't be. I can't think of a better way to protest the performance of these ABC debate moderators than to forgo further participation in "This Week" where you regularly have to deal with the condescension of Stephanopoulos, George Will, and Cokie Roberts.

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