About last night
The Gibson/ Stephanopoulos Show was the kind of thing that gets some people in my political niche to griping about the "corporate media." The phrase does a great deal of cultural work, depending on the sentence in which it finds itself: sometimes it's hooked up to a belief that The People would be turning out in droves for the Kucinich/ Gravel ticket if not for the corporate media; sometimes it's trotted out to admonish "cultural studies" theorists for overemphasizing the wonder-working powers of Active Audiences® (you know, the people who do really quite clever things with Star Trek or Buffy) and forgetting that the media are owned by corporations; and sometimes it comes embedded in the full-bore Chomsky/ Herman argument about how the corporate media "manufacture consent" and dupe the masses into (a) misrecognizing that their real interests lie with the Kucinich/ Gravel ticket or (b) fooling around with bread-and-circus distractions like Star Trek and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
OK, well, I have a whole entire book coming out next year, and one of its arguments is that the "corporate media" complaint doesn't quite get at what's wrong with American mass media. (The longer version has to do with a decade-and-a-half long friendly argument I've been having with fellow Cafégoer Todd Gitlin, who knows very well what's wrong with the "manufacturing consent" argument- and the theory of "false consciousness" on which it depends- but who occasionally likes to admonish "cultural studies" theorists for overemphasizing the wonder-working powers of Active Audiences®.) Here's a snippet from the ms-in-progress, in which I criticize people who argue, in effect, that:
the mass of ordinary people might agree with us- we suspect many of them already do- but they are thwarted, confused, and misled by the corporate media. This line of argument assumes the very thing it needs to explain: where Stuart Hall saw the rise of Thatcherism as a crisis for the left, something that shook (or should have shaken) leftist assumptions to the core, requiring left intellectuals to re-examine just where they'd gone wrong and why and how it was that the New Right could appeal to ordinary people we think should be our natural allies, Robert McChesney sees right-wing populism as an epiphenomenon of the corporate media, and Thomas Frank ascribes the phenomenon of working-class conservatism to "derangement," to a cultural backlash against "vulgar" corporate culture, and to a feckless Democratic Party that has forsaken economic egalitarianism under pressure from corporate lobbyists. . . . The idea, in other words, is that people go to the polls, discover that there is no sufficiently democratic-socialist candidate in the running, and decide by default, with a shrug of the shoulders, either to go back home or to vote for the Republican. And they are aided and abetted in all this by the corporate media.There is no question that mass media can and do dupe people: witness the extraordinary number of Americans who believe, having been misled by Bush/ Cheney and their propagandists at Fox News, that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 and that U.S. troops discovered weapons of mass destruction in the course of their invasion of Iraq. But that does not mean that the "media dupe people" theory should stand in for sustained left analysis of how the winning of popular consent actually works in civil society; for when it becomes axiomatic, it degenerates into an all-purpose excuse for the left's many strategies of self-marginalization.
Indeed, as I freely acknowledged a few weeks ago, there are people out there who fear that Obama will turn them into Muslims and feed their children to the llamas. But I don't think the phenomenon is well described as "false consciousness," as I noted in a followup comment, and I might remark bitterly that Obama didn't do himself any favors by offering a version of Tom Frank's explanation for working-class conservatism, either. Believe it or not, I have plenty of neighbors here in Centre Country, Pennsylvania (yes, we spell it "centre," because that spelling goes better with chardonnay- and if I get my way we'll put an accent over the e, too) who vote the way they do because they sincerely believe that abortion is the single most important issue facing the country. And as Stuart Hall has argued for years, it's just not a good idea, as a theoretical or a practical matter, to go around assuming you know what people ought to believe.
But when we're treated to a spectacle like last night's wingnutfest, it's awfully tempting to conclude that Ye Olde Marxists are right, and that the shills of the corporate media are deliberately preventing any real issues from coming to the table (except, perhaps, for the real issue of the terrible pain that will be felt by households making over $200,000 a year if the tax-and-spend Democrat Party has its way). And yet the truth, I fear, is much worse.
Things would actually be simpler if the American commentariat was composed merely of corporate shills. Instead, it's composed also of pathological, Chris Matthewsian misogynists, rabid foaming Glenn Becks, Tim Russert the Terrible Trivium, and, of course, David "Red Man Tobacco and Pabst Blue Ribbon" Brooks, who loved last night's debate and warns us today, no whining about the media.
Well, Blue Ribbon, ol' boy, this isn't a whine. Think of it instead as a barbaric yawp. When you write, "We may not like it, but issues like Jeremiah Wright, flag lapels and the Tuzla airport will be important in the fall," we know you're telling the truth, because you'll be around in the fall telling us precisely how important these things are. After all, as you note, we should "remember how George H.W. Bush toured flag factories to expose Michael Dukakis."
Hold the phone, Red Man- did you say "expose Michael Dukakis"? As what, pray tell? As the flag-burning, hemp-wearing, Amerikkka-hating card-carrying member of the ACLU he really was? I seem to recall 1988 as the year George H. W. Bush was exposed as a craven slimeball who would use the phrase "card-carrying member of the ACLU" as an epithet. But then, I don't read the newspapers.
The point is that we are not dealing merely with a "corporate" media. That would be bad enough. We are dealing instead with a deeply decadent and deeply entrenched class of courtiers in the late stages of Bloated Beltway Media Empire, one of whose pastimes is chattering on about the folkways of the salt of the earth (bowling, shots-and-beer, guns, God). The level of chattering is directly proportional to the decadence of the commentator, which is why you hear so much about small-town values from people who last caught glimpses of my neighbors when they watched the opening thirty minutes of Deer Hunter in their suite at the Willard Hotel. The appropriate text for our situation is not so much Manufacturing Consent as the film Ridicule. Not a great movie, by any means, but a reasonable approximation of a situation in which we can find lunatics like Glenn Beck and congenital liars like William Kristol among our most powerful courtiers.
(And hey, Hillary supporters! I know I haven't been kind to you lately, so I'll understand if you think I'm doin' a bit of special pleading here on behalf of the guy the Associated Press' chairman now refers to as Hussein Osama X. But I promise you I felt precisely the same way last year when the media were convulsed by earnest discussions of Hillary's cleavage and in 1993, when the nation rose as one in outrage over her husband's haircut and how it cost taxpayers $5 million while bringing all air traffic in the United States to a standstill.)
















If you hadn't used 'Indeed' immediately after quoting yourself, this small-town denizen might've been interested in picking up a copy of your latest when it comes out.
April 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. Indeed. I was shootin' for a bit of self-citin' pomposity there, and I think I got it. You know, my grandfather taught me how to shoot for pomposity. . . .
April 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
talkin' about shootin', it's like shootin' fish in a barrel for you people when it comes to replyin' to us Skoal-totin' backwoods types, ain't it?
That's it, I'm fresh out of apostrophes and will be leaving now.
April 17, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not exactly -- or, at least, not right now. It's not fish-in-barrel shooting season in Pennsylvania yet. Check for yourself!
Seriously, I learned about the various Pennsylvania hunting seasons from some of my local hockey teammates, a few of whom hunt for sport and a few of whom hunt for food. And one of the more interesting things I learned, in the course of distinguishing muzzle-loading season from bow season, is that guys who are deeply distrustful of government regulation as a general rule are nonetheless deeply literate in the details of hunting seasons, bag limits, and points (that would be points on antlers, son). I haven't yet met anyone who's libertarian about hunting.
April 17, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
No "live and let live" hunters, eh?
April 17, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That millionaire New York columnists can claim not to be elitists or claim some empathy with ordinary people is the real crime.
But I think Obama was wrong.
Small towns have huge advantages over cities. We forget that small town people have houses worth 100,000, yet practically no crime and a relatively high degree of gentility and cohesion. With an $800 a year mortgage I would go out and buy a $40,000 stretch cab pickup - but with a $300,000 house, 'elite' city people might have actually less disposable income than 'folk' from the country.
I hail from Wyoming, and it has some of the highest rates of spending per student on public schools - and zero gang violence - at least when I was a kid 20 years ago.
Even in political terms, lets face it, rural areas are over-represented because of the Senate and Electoral College. You have to win the rural areas over to win.
April 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I said I was leaving, but Elvis, have you been back since leaving 20 years ago?
I can't speak for Wyoming, but rural Missouri ain't what it used to be ... used to be you could run your truck into the ditch on Saturday night, walk or hitch home, and get the wife to help you pick it up Sunday afternoon after church. Now you've gotta worry that your windshield's gonna get busted out before then by a bunch of ne'er-do-wells hopped on that meth.
April 17, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could be...
There was tension with the Arapahoes on the Wind River INdian Reservation. One underclassman got shot (and killed) with a rifle by an Arapahoe after he told the Indians they weren't welcome - the problem was it was actually on Reservation land.
The thing is, the population is exactly the same as 20 years ago - even as total US population is probably up what...50 million since 1988?
April 18, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think everyone would agree with me if they got different frames. I think the frames are always in direct opposition to my own reality-based beliefs.
The "village" idea is indeed very compelling, but it still doesn't explain why all these millionaire TV personalities sit around and gossip about the "Salt-of-the-Earth" in Republican frames. It's possible to be arrogant, rich and out to protect your country club, yet still occasionally happen on a nut at least as often as a blind squirrel or monkeys banging on a thousand typewriters, but they seem to be avoiding the nuts like the plague. You just don't get a track record this bad randomly; such consistent wrongness suggests some intelligence behind it.
Maureen Dowd definitely is a member of the DC soiree, and praises herself for being able to eat cavier without forgetting her blue-collar roots -- but that doesn't explain why she has to torture logic to make Obama an elitist, and championing Bush's down-home, regular guy chumminess. To read these doting children of working-class dads tell it, you'd think the one raised by a single-mother was a trust-fund baby and George Bush was a self-made man.
Given the same set of facts, the insulated, pampered personalities of our chattering class have a perfect batting average in always gossiping in ways that enforce Republican narratives and demean Democrats. It doesn't matter who's in power. It doesn't matter what gets money or ratings. They will push the GOP narrative every time, and shut out anyone smacking of the slightest hint of sentience.
There may be a country club, but it's a Republican country club, and they don't want any riff raff coming in and diluting the clientelle.
April 17, 2008 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, the narratives come out sounding very similar, because the form remains the same. the frankfurt school marxists got some things right. it's not necessarily that "the media dupe people" - it's that the particular form of traditional media is fascistic. to quote my brain boyfriend, walter benjamin,
See, it's not like people get all religiousy and vote Republican because the press tells them they're bitter. It's that politics = infotainment, they are inseparable. As a result, nothing real gets done except war (literal and figurative, as in "gridlock"). So, yeah, people get bitter. And yeah, there is manipulation in an ongoing struggle for hegemonic control. But the only way out is to somehow break open that conjunction of aestheticized politics (or, I suppose today one could say "mediated politics") and corporatist control of politics, media, and markets.
I believe that's part of what the whole netroots movement is about, although it's probably too soon to assess whether this is an actual, workable, producer-consumer, "all your superstructure are belong to us," anti-fascist type challenge to infotainment politics. Benjamin's solution for "aestheticized politics" is to "politicize art" - and again, if you substitute "media" for "art" I think you might see some of the appeal of the internets for activists: challenge the "mediated politics" of Repugnancy with "politicized media" of progressivism.
So, yeah, while I'll agree that "corporate media" is an insufficient explanation for what happened on Monday night, I also think it's a completely sufficient explanation. It's always going to be very, very hard to break open "mediated politics" and find anything other than corporate capitalism, because corporate capitalism is the order of the day. It's got nothing to do with "false consciousness" or "manufacturing consent." But it does involve a kind of interpolation from which it is almost impossible to break free. Possibly entirely impossible.
How could we even know? I mean, I've had a drink with John Edwards, and I still don't know how I feel about him when I see him on the teevee. Is he for real? Can I trust him? He lives in my town, and I don't know if his house is too big. So I cling to my belief that Obama is dreamy, and vote on the fact that I'm an elitist intellectual who grew up in a small town in Kentucky and got a BA from a liberal arts school called Centre College, spelled with an "re."
We're all making it up. Always. But we look for alliances around "issues" on which we will form a collective (political) identity. If the primary voice to give shape to that identity is traditional media ~ aestheticized politics ~ then the shape of that identity will always skew conservative.
It takes a major formal adjustment to "break the frame," re-mediate, politicize the media/art in a different way (along the lines of a Brechtian "alienation effect," for example). That's why Obama is a phenomenon, and not just any old "candidate" - he's not just making a different argument. In point of fact, he might not even be making any new arguments at all. But he is politicizing an entirely different set of media, he's mobilizing the superstructure in a different way. Obama has, in Raymond Williams's terms, a powerful new structure of feeling. As did (ack! gasp!) Reagan. As did, god bless him, Bill Clinton. And that's more and less than, and different from, "issues based" voting, and it's not "false consciousness" when you vote for it - whether the bulk of the specific policies serve you or not.
Because a structure of feeling is fo realz. And I do believe that's what people vote around - not "issues," or "agendas" or "platforms." Structures get aligned with parties, but those can and obviously do shift. "Bitter," "hopeful," "moralistic," "fearful," "ready for change." Voter structures of feeling.
April 18, 2008 6:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
With the Ridicule comparison in mind, one could only wonder who will be the fortunate one decades from now to urinate on David Brooks's lap in his days of senility.
April 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was gonna post something clever but I'm just too damn bitter!
April 17, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is this so difficult?
The working-class rural voter knows exactly what he's doing when he votes Republican -- bringing all those urban-suburban workers, those middle class wannabes, back down to his level.
Spite is a great motivator!
April 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And why not?
This Bérubé character gets awarded QUOTE OF THE DAY over at some blog ...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
... and all I get is the pleasure of being called 'son' by some snob who wants to make sure I'm catching his drift when he starts talking about 'points' in the context of hunting.
April 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
some snob who wants to make sure I'm catching his drift when he starts talking about 'points' in the context of hunting
OK, so you knew that antlers had points before I told you? Because I was kind of amazed to learn that antlers weren't baby ants. I grew up in Queens and was raised on a parking lot, you see. I don't know anything about flora or fauna.
April 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
All that we require of the Earl of Mangelwurzelshire is that he should have fifty thousand a year and hunt the country.
April 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sound . . . bitter.
April 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not at all! What's a little spite between friends?
April 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
but that is "false consciousness"!!!
April 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Michael:
Any insight into Stephanopolous in college? Was there any overlap between you guys and Obama at Columbia?
April 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Short answer: nope, I was too busy playin' drums and going to madrassas to hang with George and Barry X in college. Longer answer: I met George in 2000 at a Harper's magazine party and was shocked, shocked to learn, in the course of a conversation about Lani Guinier ("never should have been nominated," he said), that he didn't know about Guinier's argument that proportional representation (a) was used to elect the Illinois House of Representatives until 1980 and (b) thereby got Republicans elected in Chicago and Democrats elected in rural areas, which made both parties beholden to every part of the state. "That's why she won over Alan Simpson before your former boss pulled the plug on her," I said to my former Columbia classmate, "not that I should be telling the former White House director of communications how to go about these things."
I promise I was only slightly drunk at the time.
April 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Check out the article “Barack’s “Underground” Friends” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=291
http://www.savagepolitics.com
brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!
April 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Peter! You will also want to know that Obama was friends with Sacco and Vanzetti -- and, a few years earlier, was the brains behind the bombing at Haymarket Square.
We need to unearth these underground connections, dude. Because the mainstream liberal media ain't gonna do it.
April 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't mind Peter. He trolls "liberal" blogs all day long posting that crap.
April 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Michael, I don't have anything much to add. I just wanted to say that you're spot on, and more generally that you're the best thing going on tpmcafe these days. No offense to the other frontpagers, but you are consistently enjoyable to read and usually insightful. Keep up the good work.
April 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice post and I look forward to reading all of your whole book in its entirety. I think it’s all of the above. It’s the establishment, man. You know, like when everybody’s working for the Man, man. My take is that the media does dupe the public in an omniscient but almost subliminal way by nourishing the public as consumer automatons. I guess those old Marxists would say capitalism promotes the consumerist frame uber alles. I’m less afraid of having my children fed to llamas than having llamas fed to my children (you know what I mean). But Mathews, Brooks, Russert, Gibson and the rest are corporate shills, they just aren’t aware of it. Each does the devil’s work in his own inimitable way targeting his own little in-group.
Our elections are turned into consumer-choice horseraces (Pepsi or Coke?) and branding is everything. That is why associations can be so damaging or positive (flag pins for everyone!). The “bowling, shots-and-beer, guns, God” crowd is just one demographic marketed to. It’s a major demographic in this case because mass media, TV especially, feeds the lowest common denominator (I would add constipated AARP members to the target audience last night judging by the Dulcolax commercials). If you think it’s that difficult to persuade people to vote against their self-interests, just look at the sales of Britney Spears CDs.
April 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as economic actors are not rational, surely voters are not, since they are further removed from their money when voting. That their choice removes money from their pockets or some other effect is so delayed and spinnable we should not expect people to get it.
After all, I don't understand economics, and therefore simply trust certain people like those with accents aigu in their names.
April 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Believe it or not, I have plenty of neighbors here in Centre Country, Pennsylvania (yes, we spell it "centre," because that spelling goes better with chardonnay- and if I get my way we'll put an accent over the e, too) who vote the way they do because they sincerely believe that abortion is the single most important issue facing the country. And as Stuart Hall has argued for years, it's just not a good idea, as a theoretical or a practical matter, to go around assuming you know what people ought to believe."
Do your neighbors in Centre Country, Pennsylvania go around assuming that other people ought to believe that abortion is the single most important issue facing the country?
Of course they do. That's what democracy is, man. We all have varying opinions about the future course we'd like to see our nation follow, and we fight to persuade others about the correctness of our opinions and the incorrectness of our opponents'. No one particular ideology holds a monopoly on the belief in its own correctness, just as no politician of any political stripe has ever run on the platform of "Here's what I believe is best for our country, but, y'know, I'm probably wrong about all this."
Everyone running for office believes that he or she is correct and that his/her opponents (and those who support said opponents) are off-base. It's just that the candidate on the left is, for some reason, the only one who's typically attacked for it. Some day I'd like to know why that is. But whatever the reason, whenever I see a candidate (again, usually the left-most one) questioned for seeming assured of his/her own correctness on an issue, I take it that the questioner is unable to effectively critique the candidate on the merits of the issue itself, and so has retreated to the much more facile critique of the candidate's certainty with regard to that issue. Feh.
Speaking for myself, I don't begrudge your Centre Country neighbors for assuming they know what I ought to believe about abortion, just as I don't begrudge John McCain for assuming he knows what I ought to believe about abortion. Rather, I begrudge your Centre Country neighbors and John McCain for advocacy of policies that would abridge the rights of my loved ones to pursue a particular medical procedure from a licensed physician if they so choose, demoting said rights below the rights of a two-celled zygote.
Patrick Meighan
Culver City, CA
April 17, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael:
Think of it in very elemental terms. Outside of the State of Nature as Hobbes describes it, everything is "manufactured", including you and consent.
If you had been kidnapped as a child and transplanted into an Amazonian tribe, you would certainly not be the wiseckracking smart-ass that you are today. (I don't mean it in a bad way). What I'm saying is that you yourself are a manufactured product of our culture along with everyone else. Gibson, Obama, Hillary, all manufactured products of our culture. What you bring to the table is your genes, the rest was manufactured by your environment.
When it comes to talking about consciousness, false or otherwise, I would avoid that metaphor.
So, if I'm getting your drift, you think that people have beliefs and desires that are not in their own self-interest in part because of the machinations of "the media" who are stooges or accomplices of the corporate elite. And that does seems to be the way it is to me too.
I take it that you think Obama is going to lift the "veil of ignorance" from the proletariat and we are going to enter into a higher Hegelian/Marxist state of affairs.
But Obama and his entourage will not be able to put much of a dent in this highly entrenched superstructure that has evolved organically over the years if not centuries. Being overly ambitious and deluded into thinking that he can "change Washington" as in "change the human condition" here in America, he will fail.
Hillary is another matter. Hillary (as she stressed in the debate) is NOT DUMB. She is a Communitarian. She is fully aware that the very consciousness of people (you ,I, the farmer in Pennsylavania, the plutocrat) is determined by the community we grew up in. So she is an incrementalist and will likely succeed in moving us a little further along the road, whereas Obama--in his overestimation of what he can do--will likely result in a failed presidency.
April 17, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, if I'm getting your drift, you think that people have beliefs and desires that are not in their own self-interest in part because of the machinations of "the media" who are stooges or accomplices of the corporate elite.
No, Andrew. You're not getting my drift. But I appreciate your patience with me after all these months!
April 17, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do have a burning question pinging around in my fairly tiny mind -- that there is a serious problem with our media folken seems pretty dang clear. But what I want to know is this: Are we really talking about a cabal here? It seems to me more and more that this may be the case. Does this mean I need to affix an antenna to my pointy head?
April 18, 2008 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...sometimes it's hooked up to a belief that The People would be turning out in droves for the Kucinich/ Gravel ticket if not for the corporate media"
Michael, allowing for the fact that there may be people who do actually say things like that - since pretty much every opinion is held by someone somewhere - it does seem a bit straw-man-ish.
The Chomsky-Herman model has its limitations, because it is a model and necessarily an over-simpliflication, but as a model it works pretty well much of the time.
You can quite often predict how stories will be framed within the 'corporate media' (I don't like that phrase much either - all of those terms, 'establishment media', 'MSM' etc. seem too much like epithets. But there you go).
Reporting of an issue like the civil war in Colombia, or the global food crisis or Iranian influence in Iraq etc. will reliably conform to the propaganda model's expectations.
(And by the way, the ugliest moment of the ABC debate wasn't the garbage chucked out at Obama and Clinton for the first hour, or even the gross exercise of class privilege by Gibson on behalf of his stock portfolio but the way the presenters casually laid out the path to nuclear war in the Middle East and expected both candidates to declare their determination to roll up their sleeves and nuke Persia)
'Manufacturing Consent' doesn't mention - as I remember it - 'false consciousness', or address the idea much.
Its conclusion states:
"No simple model will suffice, however, to account for every detail as such a complex matter as the working of the national mass media." (p304)
It goes on to underline social and psychological reasons for the behaviour of individuals briefly, for instance, and does not argue that the press consists simply of corporate shills (although they do have their fair share).
It's not that I disagree with any of the ideas you have outlined in the post above, but I do hope your book will treat ideas it challenges as seriously as they deserve.
As it stands, the post look likes more of a response to people who like to write comments on the Internet in capital letters than to Chomsky or Marxists (who aren't the same!).
This is meant as constructive criticism - your book looks interesting and I write as a potential customer...
April 18, 2008 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
True enough, Alex, there are some people on the Internets who denounce me every time they see the face of Chomsky in their grilled-cheese sandwich. But I assure you I'm not substituting them for the real thing. After all, a book doesn't have to use the words "false consciousness" to rely on a theory of false consciousness. And I assure you there's a significant difference between the Chomsky/ Herman model and Gramsci's insistence that consent in civil society is actually won rather than manufactured. You might also want to check out the unfortunate moment in McChesney's Rich Media, Poor Democracy (an otherwise solid book) in which he predicts that the Internet will never become a force for grassroots progressives because it is corporate. (On page 176, to be precise. Or pedantic.)
But thanks for the response! And I agree completely with you about the profound uglitude of the debate's approach to the Middle East.
April 18, 2008 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that, I see more what you're getting at now.
It's also nice, as an aside, to be able to defend Chomsky on some point or other without being called a 'Chomsky-worshipper' or something comparably petulant (like the old school routine - "if you love Chomsky so much why don't you marry him?")
Anyway, nice to chat...
April 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I'll defend Chomsky on the media 22/7. And then in the 23rd and 24th hour I'll add, "wait, there's more to it than that. We really do have to take seriously the conflicts within the ruling class, just like Nicos Poulantzas tried to tell us in State, Power, Socialism."
Thanks for replying so graciously, too.
April 19, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh-heh...but not anymore, right? "Fuck that Skank! She's been mean to my candidate! She's not playing fair! I'm appalled!" ;^}
April 18, 2008 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, loki. I do think Hillary's run a terrible campaign, but I've always denounced and rejected and then renounced the sexist bullshit thrown at her. Nice try, though.
April 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try Michael.
April 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, now I see how you operate, Loki. When I say, "I acknowledge that Hillary has dealt with all kinds of sexist crap from the media, but I'm not going to defend her now that she's praised McCain at Obama's expense," you think I'm saying, "fuck that skank."
OK. It's a novel theory of reading, but I'm cool with that.
April 18, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saying you will no longer defend Hillary from vile, unhinged sexist attacks because she's run a campaign that appalls you is really not too dissimilar from saying "ah...fuck her." Or, "fuck that skank!"
But to be fair, it does seem that you have missed my little smiley face at the end of that comment, Michael. You, of all people, should recognize a little over the top sarcasm! (OK, inserting smiley face right.... here---> ;^}
Much love,
The Crazy God of Evil
April 19, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
One more thing.
The point of my comment was that you have become so overly emotional, irrational and unhinged during this politcal process that you were happy to announce to all that you will no longer defend Clinton from "vile abuse" from "sexist" "right-wing lunatics"...and for not a very good reason in my estimation.
It wasn't about the "fuck that skank" snarkyness...as you well know. But if you want to focus on that that's cool with me.
April 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The point is that we are not dealing merely with a "corporate" media. That would be bad enough. We are dealing instead with a deeply decadent and deeply entrenched class of courtiers
Well, the question remains, how did such a pack of tools, your Glenn Becks and your William Kristols, get so deeply entrenched?
It may be partly due to the joy of Wingnut Welfare: the ability to go back and forth between being a "journalist", and being a "fellow" at one of the propaganda mills funded by Scaife/Olin/Bradley. It may partly come from the ecosystem of money-losing media subsidized by Murdoch, Moon, and others.
But: it's also traceable pretty directly to the "corporate" part of "corporate media": for example, Bob Somerby gives a pretty credible history of "Jack Welch's boys", like Chris Matthews, and how the GE CEO made them what they are today. These gasbags would not have soapboxes for their Republican-serving obsessions if their corporate overseers didn't provide them.
April 18, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
All quite true, Ken. But all I'm saying is that the corporate understructure of Wingnut Welfare is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the kind of garbage we've been dealing with for the past ten years. Joe Klein and Richard Cohen, for example -- not to mention half the contributors to The New Republic and Slate: TNR's West Wing -- are not wingnuts. But they are nevertheless, in Atrios's phrase, "Villagers"; and my point is that their residence in the Village is, as we say in the seminars, relatively autonomous from the material base.
April 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I kind of disagree with the thesis that the "Village" is autonomous to the "Corporate Media" model, in particular with the examples of the Joe Kleins and Richard Cohens. The views of these "liberals" are not in conflict with those of the "corporate" elite. If they were they would not have the forums that they enjoy.
April 18, 2008 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since I'm not a snob I think I will take a stab at what Michael was “trying” to say. The Village is not independent of the Corporate Media. Might even depend on them necessarily, he is not clear on that, I agree with you. He does not say what kind of relationship it has to the corporate media. But it is an interesting question. How much cohesion is there from the top to the bottom and from the bottom to the top and all points in between? I think in Michael's seminars the they use the phrase "material base" to refer to such people, for example, that are "bitter" as also those who are not bitter but exploited in other ways.
The material base if I get his drift refers to us peasants.
April 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama was off-key not re bitterness, but the relationship between bitterness and guns, which is a bit more complex, and for what it's worth, I agree that abortion is the main social issue that drives conservative voters in rural Pennsylvania.
Unlike Michael, I did grow up in western Pennsylvania and I do think gun culture is more entrenched in the sense that while it used to be just part of the picture for many people, it is more so now and there is more of a divide between those who do and those who don't love guns. Hunting is more complicated. It takes skill, and of course, land, and there are most likely fewer hunters even as there are more gun collections. I do think that the loss of stable, well-paid jobs has contributed to bitterness and adherence to the notion of the importance of "gun" traditions. I think it plays into voting patterns to the degree that voters cannot differentiate the parties on other issues that matter to them (economic issues, mostly).
Unlike in the South, I don't see religion in the same vein, at least not in my experience. Religious identity does not have the same resonance in Pennsylvania as it has in the South, and I don't know why, except that most churches are more institutional (Catholic) rather than congregational, which typically contribute a lot more to social identity.
I think the media types are so clueless it's almost like they are intentionally stupid. And that's the gist: it's one thing to be stupid in a random way, but that's not what we see, we see on purpose stupid of people we know are smart, like Stephanopoulos, and almost always with the same slant. It's self reinforcing bubble culture, to be sure, nonetheless, blaming it is a lot easier than looking inward and finding the problems with your own message. The trick is to do both with enough finesse to change the narrative.
April 18, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nail meet hammer.
Nice, Berube.
The courtiers are a spectacle of gross self love, as made flesh by Gibson’s incessant moaning about capital gains tax juxtaposed by his constant harping that Obama would not disown Wright.
Gibson was outraged that Obama dares - -
1)refusing to disown his pastor.
2)and claims only a passing acquaintance with his neighbor and won’t apologize that he lives in the same area as Ayers
3)and won’t wear a lapel pin
4)but dares, DARES to think he’ll tax the rich and do social good in America.
In the minds of Stephithecocklupus, Gibson, Russert Pumkinhaid, David Dances with Rove Gregory and the one and only Tweety and Dobbs and the whole stable at Fux Noise, these are the main issues.
April 18, 2008 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never thought it was that complicated. I thought it was more the case that a happy few got chosen (chosen!!!1!one!) from the multitudes of struggling small town reporters and Harvard and Yale grads who think of themselves as scrappy small town reporters to have dinner with Katherine Graham and the Bradlees and live in million dollar houses and meet all the biggest power players and become household names.
And being people, they want to believe that they really earned it, and that the people around them are good and nice and earned their place in what Gloria Borger calls "the political class" too. And being wealthy, they are the sort of people Carlyle and Burke warned about a century and a half ago - people with all the power and wealth of nobility, but without the training of noblesse oblige - they don't like to be reminded that a lot of other clever and deserving people don't get the big nod. They want to believe in meritocracy, and Republican ideology assures them that all wealth is earned and all authority is wise and all power is honest and that nothing changed after Ecclesiastes 9:11.
So their reporting is always done to bolster their own sense of self-merit. Republicans feed that, Democrats challenge it, and they swat away accordingly.
But then, I'm just a provincial rube who only bowls in the 80's, so wtf do I know?
April 18, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question is why do the happy few get chosen? Is it more random than intentional? The luck of the draw?
But I agree. Once you are established, you have a vested interest in staying that way. Take a look at what happened to Phil Donehue. He was established but lost his position because he refused to delude himself or others about what was happening. His show was--from what I understand--one with the highest rating for that time slot at MSNBC (was it?).
So it is NOT that these people have much of a choice. Given that they have not much of a choice they self-delude themselves into believing that they are doing the right thing. Others, might not accomplish this self delusion and turn either cynical or get out of the business.
April 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I went to see the movie Persepolis recently, and there is a scene in which the protagonist saves herself by telling a falsehood to the police that gets an innocent man in trouble -- and when her grandmother upbraids her, she says "but I had no choice!" and grandma says: We always have a choice. And perhaps that's an overstatement, but not in the case of pundits making seven or more figures annually. They have a choice. They could retire on one year's earnings if they wanted to. But that would be to give up the trappings of one's lifestyle, and the access, blah blah blah.
April 18, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The happy few get chosen because some must be chosen and most must be left behind, else there would be no few so happy at their place that they will bow to keep it. The reasons why this one gets chosen and this other one doesn't are important only to the chosen, and I suspect that they themselves would prefer not to truly know.
April 18, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps in saying "they have no choice" I was overstating the matter. They have no choice if they want to remain in the position they are in.
I was not making a moral point but a psychological one. rb6 you might think that you would choose to take the year’s earnings, get out and invest in the market or something. But how do you know what you would do?
The problem is there is nothing particularly nefarious about the people who occupy these positions. As I was trying to explain, they are not genetically evil people destined to occupy such unsavory positions.
They are humans facing personal choices, and it is part of human nature to maintain a privileged position if you have one.
Not trying to be an apologist for Chris Mathews. I’m just saying that Mathews became who he is because he had ambition and so he learned to play the game . We can write a novel “The Transformation of Mathew”.
I myself have foresworn ambition. I make enough to get by. Don't want to occupy the limelight. And I'm glad I chose that route. When I see Mathews' agitated ranting and what he in fact has become, I want no part of it. But maybe I have “false consciousness too”. Maybe we all do. What is “true consciousness anyway” is it an obvious thing we can all agree on or is it a hopelessly muddled concept.
April 18, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Courtiers" is just a little hard to buy because there's no objective incentive for all the fawning they do over Republicans. I mean, there's no chance any given courtier will fall out of W's favor and suddenly be locked in the Tower for future execution. So how comes it that the national press lines up so uniformly?
It's possible you have one set of authoritarians (the press) that identifies with another set of authoritarians (Republicans). Their interests may not exactly coincide since consciousness-lowering and exxxtreme governance don't really go hand-in-hand, but I guess whatever trade-offs are required can be worked out on the fly.
April 18, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I commented above, incentive mechanisms have included: wingnut welfare (e.g., the Kagans, the Powerliners), subsidized right-wing media (the NY Post and W Times), direct promotion by senior corporate execs (Matthews, Russert). Michael points out that these mechanism don't explain all the Villagers and wankers: he mentions Joe Klein and Richard Cohen; I guess David Broder and Maureen Dowd would be a couple more. These are people who would call themselves "moderates" or "centrists", and don't obviously have the motivations I mentioned, but whose commentary somehow very often supports Republican narratives.
I think there may be some indirect, secondary motivations working for the Villagers, such as an attraction to the group with the most money ("Who has the best parties?"; "Which campaign serves the best snacks?"). Also, it's pretty obvious which opinions are likely to get you TV exposure, and which opinions will not. I guess these motivations could be put under the "Courtier" label.
April 19, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michael, I think you're right about how we're not just dealing with a corporate media. I think we're not even just dealing with courtiers, though there's a lot of that, too.
Media "journalists" are part of the entertainment industry, and their job is to tell stories. The trouble is, the only story they know is Macho Sue.
Kit Whitfield explains:
The Macho Sue storyline, as seen in American action films, cop shows, and popular culture in general, is the one the media is using to structure their political storytelling:This is where you come in. What we need are *better stories*. Absent that, we need people who can look at stories and see how they're put together, see where they come from and where they're going.
We need people like you, professional story-looker-atters. What story are they telling? What story *could* they be telling? What would it take for them to tell a different story?
April 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to disagree with you about your neighbors:
No. They are telling themselves a story titled "Abortion Is Murder", but the content of the story -- structure, plot, & characterization -- is about Sluts and the Patriarchy.Your neighbors probably do not support actions (such as more explicit sex ed and easier access to birth control) that would actually reduce the abortion rate. And they do not support treating women who get abortions as actual murderers.
They are supporting a *story*, a narrative, featuring characters such as the Misled Woman, the Ignorant Slut, the Scheming Abortionist, the Innocent Baby, the Righteous Protestor, and the Godly Adoptive Parents. And the star of the story, as in my comment above, is Macho Sue.
April 20, 2008 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink