More Reasons to Worry about McCain-onomics
As Jonathan Taplin's discusses in an earlier post, candidate McCain gave a big economics speech today. Allow me to elaborate on why this stuff should scare you.
First, the gas tax holiday is smart politics but lousy policy. As Taplin aptly described, high gas prices are sending an important economic signal and jamming that signal is ill-advised. On the other hand, as one of the commenters points out, this idea could really help some strapped families.
The problem is there's absolutely nothing to stop the oil companies from claiming a big chunk of this subsidy by raising the pretax price of gas at the pump. Prices go up in the summer anyway, and I'll bet you a gallon of premium that they go up even more than usual, such that some of that 18.4 cents/gallon ends up back in Exxon's wallet, not yours.
Which leaves us with a nice little transfer from taxpayers to oil companies. Nice work, John.
Also, and this is an important theme re McCain-onomics, he assiduously avoids connecting the dots between taxes and what they finance. As the AP wrote today, "The federal gasoline tax helps pay for highway projects in nearly every town through a dedicated trust fund. In the past, such proposals for gas tax holidays have not fared well as lawmakers and state and local officials prefer not to see changes in their revenue source."
Next, there's his idea to simplify the tax code by introducing "an alternative new and simpler tax system" that offers taxpayers the choice of staying in the current system or opting to pay taxes under "a vastly less complicated system with two tax rates and a generous standard deduction" (I couldn't find what the two rates are but I'll bet they're 15 and 25 percent...just a guess.)
As John Irons (EPI's research director) recognized, this is absolutely nuts from a simplicity standpoint: McCain just gave every taxpayer a huge incentive to calculate their taxes twice...three times if you include the alternative minimum tax (AMT...more on that below). Just what we need: a whole other layer of choices and schedules, surely with their own income definitions, loopholes, etc.
Finally, and this is the most worrisome aspect of McCain's economics, if he gets what he wants, he has two fiscal choices: deeply cut entitlement programs, especially those related to health care, or blow a massive hole in the budget.
I give the details here, but the arithmetic is simple: you can't extend the Bush tax cuts forever, same with the war, end the AMT, finance big health care subsidies, and slash the corporate tax rate all on the backs of "savings from earmark, program review, and other budget reforms." Like I said, you either end much of government as we know it--a standard conservative goal--or become unsustainably indebted.
This is seriously scary stuff, and Senators Clinton and Obama need to stop duking it out long enough to tell the electorate all about this agenda and its potential impacts on America. McCainonomics is threatening to make Bushonomics look reasonable.















Holy Crrrap, Mr. Berstein!
Thanks for outting him.
I hope Hillary and Obama hear you.
I just paid $589.00 for 150 gallons of home heating oil. On February 22, I paid $506.00.
Can ANYTHING be done? If Exxon-Mobile posts another record profit, I'm going to gag.
April 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Start getting real creative, workerbee! I don't meen to sound un empathetic but it is going to take a whole lot of that "american ingenuity" to repair the false and insecure steps which have lead out country to this bad energy policy.
And I agree Mr Bernstein about both Hilalry and Barack getting after McCain for his Vodoo economics.
April 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The choice: blow a massive hole in the budget.
Unless we're willing to take the pain associated with a significant recession and go ahead and allow asset values to reset, the only alternative is reflation with its attendant inflation. The latter seems to be the choice of the political elites -- at least, the Democrats.
So, what's wrong with blowing a massive hole in the budget -- by which I gather we mean very large budget deficits. It's a more honest and transparent way of doing the deed than by stealthily pumping up the GSEs' lending authority.
April 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
attendant inflation.
The quickest route to marking down that load of paper those chicoms are holding...I'm lovin' it.
We all know who gets gored by inflation--the rentier class.
Fuck'em if they can't take a joke...
April 15, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't a joke to those of us who are retired. We are mostly on fixed incomes. Inflation just takes away those incomes. I can live with the slow inflation we have had over the past 14 years I have been retired, but a more rapid inflation would be a killer.
April 16, 2008 12:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
the slow inflation we have had over the past 14 years
No worries, mate. Under my plan you will get a cpi bump based upon real inflation numbers, not the cooked ones they use to squeeze out the two or three percent per year pittance that only pretends to make you whole for ten percent annual growth in your cost of living.
Meanwhile, the Bush Debt Burden will quietly shrink into the rear view mirror.
April 16, 2008 6:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Inflation is a HIDDEN TAX. The government prints more paper money, spends it, uses it to bail out big corporations, the Dow and Wall St bankers who have made filthy lucre out of bad debts to struggling families, and those (i.e. MOST OF US) at the lower end of the stream of this massive money supply see the value of their hard earned wages and savings whittled to nothing at the gas station and supermarkets. That diminished purchasing power of every Dollar you own or saved or invested in assets like your homes is a TAX!!!
And what kind of "liberal" uses the derogatory term "chicom" anyway? You don't realize do you, that a diminishing Dollar will cause a STAMPEDE out of the Treasuries and Dollar Holdings of all those duped countries who investing their savings in Dollar Reserves and we'll all go Weimar.
April 16, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The federal gasoline tax helps pay for highway projects in nearly every town through a dedicated trust fund. In the past, such proposals for gas tax holidays have not fared well as lawmakers and state and local officials prefer not to see changes in their revenue source."
Hmmm, don't we need that money to say, repair crumbling overpasses? As I understand it, there's a lack of funds for highway repairs and maintenance, not a surplus.
April 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
My first thought when I heard this proposal was "what gets cut"? Like mordecai, I was hoping it wasn't crumbling bridges. Yup, good politics and bad policy. Our media needs to bluntly ask McCain the questions of what gets cut and how does he assure the savings go to consumers and not oil companies. I hope his advisors have thought about the answers to those questions and can respond without hesitation.
April 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
The gas tax holiday is a perennial favorite. It comes up every election season. It would cost the country trillions of dollars, and it's never going to pass. No more pie in the sky for us, Senator McCain, we're stuffed to the gills.
April 15, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again proof that the Republican Party is ideologically bankrupt as well as morally bankrupt, and if they continue in the White House, they'll leave our country fiscally bankrupt, too.
April 15, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Finally, and this is the most worrisome aspect of McCain's economics, if he gets what he wants, he has two fiscal choices: deeply cut entitlement programs, especially those related to health care, or blow a massive hole in the budget.
Entitlement programs (i.e. Social Security and Medicare) currently run surpluses. If he cuts those, then all he's doing is shifting (or "borrowing") yet MORE trust fund surpluses for the general budget. That just pushes the problem off on some future President who will be forced to deal with the eventual shortfalls, when the borrowing will have to be paid back.
Bush is already raping these funds to the tune of about $400 billion per year. Jacking up these surpluses and "borrowing" them was actually a centerpiece of Reagan's tax policy, and Bush I lapped up every dollar too. Touching them would mean that McCain would just continue those disastrous policies.
Borrow and spend, and push the problem off on the next generation. It's the Republican way!
April 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is awesome news. I’m not sure how this works because technically he isn’t President yet, but hopefully he can work this out with Bush to make this a reality. I see 3 main proposals and each one should help in its own way.
1. Lower corporate tax from 35% to 25% - “High tax rates are driving many businesses and jobs overseas — and, of course, our foreign competitors wouldn’t mind if we kept it that way,” McCain said in a speech in Pittsburgh. Now some people may complain, but with less taxes these business can start hiring more American workers. Actually, I’m not sure what businesses we still have, but this is very good news for them.
2. A new tax system - McCain said that Americans don’t mind paying their fair share, but that Americans are drowning in the complexities of the tax code. His plan would simplify taxes by creating another tax system and giving tax payers the option of filing under either system depending on which is better for them based on their gross income and witholding. For some Americans the current system will be better, but for other the new one might make sense.
3. A gast tax holiday - Between Memorial Day and Labor Day the federal gas tax would be suspended. For an average driver like myself I drive 50 miles per day and with the air conditioner going my Jeep Grand Cherokee gets about 8 miles to the gallon in the city. The federal tax is 18 cents per gallon. What that means for me is an extra $1.08 in my pocket everyday. Now as any Supply Sider can tell you I will use that money to buy more gas and drive more. This will create more jobs for people working at gas stations, cleaning streets, car washes, etc. As more of us are able to drive more we’ll be stroking the fires of this economy. The total cost is $10,000,000,000 which may sound like a lot, but in a country this size that’s only the cost of a month of the war in Iraq.
I have to give McCain a big A+ for these proposals. Economics may not be his expertise, but it is ideas like these that will help avoid any possible recession.
April 15, 2008 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, straight from McCain's talking points to your mouth, eh? It sure didn't take a detour through your brain, I can tell.
I was virtually certain your post was satirical, then I read your profile and your other posts. Good god. No wonder this nation is in such shitty shape, with unthinking morons like you allowed to help decide who our leaders will be.
1) You don't really believe that corporations are actually paying 35% corporate taxes right now, do you? The NY Times investigative reporter David Cay Johnston has amply demonstrated how little corporate tax is paid in this country. There are any number of loopholes, including off-shoring. Kellogg Brown and Root is based in the Cayman Islands; so all their bloody war profits take, take, take from our treasury and pay nothing back in return.
Lowering the rate to 25% is next to meaningless. A far more potent force in moving American jobs off-shore is globalization. American companies are hardly taxed to death; quite the opposite.
In fact, if you wanted to lower the barriers to hiring more Americans, you'd be for a universal health care system. Japanese automakers aren't forced to shoulder the health care costs for their workers, which is a big reason why Toyota is eating Detroit's lunch, dinner and breakfast too.
2) You didn't even read the post, did you? McCain would propose creating YET ANOTHER tax system. So self-interested taxpayers would have to figure their taxes three ways... the 'regular' system, the AMT system, and McCain's system. I myself have discovered one of the wonders of TurboTax is that I can endlessly game out different ways of amortizing my business assets in order to achieve the lowest tax payment. A difference of $1 in amortization saved me $60 in taxes. I am certain there are many others like me.
And who's to say that over time McCain's 'simplified', third-way tax system wouldn't become just as complicated as our current system?
3) You drive a vehicle in the city that gets only 8 miles a gallon? What is your major malfunction, jackass? Instead of demanding that we shortchange the already-strapped road maintenance budgets of our state and local governments, how about if you get a freaking vehicle which gets at least 15 miles a gallon, like pretty much any minivan? Good god, people like you are part of the problem. You think Americans have a god-given right to cheap gasoline and you don't give a shit who has to die in order to get it.
In this one post you have proven what a truly loathsome individual you are. You are the epitome of the Ugly American.
April 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are the epitome of the Ugly American.
Look again at the picture of the eagle--it's little Stevie C.
April 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah that occurred to me but then I read his other posts. He really means it.
April 16, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stop waving the bloody shirt of Exxon profits. Sure, they'll pocket some change. You know perfectly well that's not what's driving oil prices. Asset prices must reset, but our politics won't let that happen. We're a nation of spoiled bubble addicts, with a layer of Wall Street crybabies on top who want Daddy state to help after wrecking the car. And now we've got a bailout for homebuilders, realtors and deadbeats for $25 billion. Everyone sees we're going with easy money and inflation -- hence, the move to commodities, hence even higher oil/food prices, weaker dollar and more inflation for the cheap imports no one noticed as the complained about jobs shipped overseas. Rentier class my ass!!! They're called retirees and Haitians and consumers. Maybe jollyroger didn't live through the 1970s when inflation expectations got anchored and Mr. Volker (Obama's eco adviser; let us pray) had to change the pieces on the board. It was not fun.
April 15, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe jollyroger didn't live through the 1970s"
Like I told the bouncer who carded me last summer, "You are my friend for life...there's ten bucks for you if you do it again when I come back with a girl..."
April 15, 2008 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, jollyroger, you really should stop trying to sneak into that early bird special for senior citizens.
April 15, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know how to hurt a guy...I'll have you to know it The Pig's Eye Pub, and the bouncer had to take off his shoes to do the difficult counting involved in protecting their liquor license.
April 15, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's very funny. You've earned the buccaneer hat. (Get a hat.) Still, never be cavalier about inflation. It's like walking under a ladder or spilling salt. As the Latin Americans learned the hard way, inflation expectations is the mid-point between behavioral and structural economics. Once they're anchored, it's a decade-long process to cut the chain (continuing the nautical theme.) Nothing distorts an economy more or causes more damage to the weakest.
April 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
ExxonMobil and the other sisters will almost certainly pocket a good chunk of that gas tax cut. Ask any economist.
This is a stupid, foolish idea and one can only hope that it's not followed through upon. If it is, I certainly hope that the blame for the next bridge that collapses is pinned squarely upon Bush and McCain.
Of course, as Jared noted at the beginning this is great politics. The cynical core of McCain's proposal is that there won't be any gas tax cut. That would require Congress to approve it, and they will do the responsible thing and refuse to. In refusing to do so, the GOP will be able to bash the Democrats as doing nothing to help Americans cope with rising gasoline costs.
If we really wanted to address the true causes behind rising gas costs, we'd get the fuck out of Iraq and otherwise quit stirring the pot in the Middle East, we'd restore fiscal sanity to Washington D.C. by ending the costly war in Iraq and allowing Bush's tax cuts to expire, and we'd start doing something to wean this country off its petroleum addiction.
Do the math. Less political turmoil in the Middle East + an end to the dollar's slide in value + less demand = lower oil prices.
This would, unfortunately, require the average American voter to grow the fuck up and stop mindlessly supporting any politician who promises them something for nothing. Sadly, I won't be putting my money on that happening anytime soon.
April 15, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
ExxonMobil and the other sisters will almost certainly pocket a good chunk of that gas tax cut. Ask any economist.
This is a stupid, foolish idea and one can only hope that it's not followed through upon. If it is, I certainly hope that the blame for the next bridge that collapses is pinned squarely upon Bush and McCain.
Of course, as Jared noted at the beginning this is great politics. The cynical core of McCain's proposal is that there won't be any gas tax cut. That would require Congress to approve it, and they will do the responsible thing and refuse to. In refusing to do so, the GOP will be able to bash the Democrats as doing nothing to help Americans cope with rising gasoline costs.
If we really wanted to address the true causes behind rising gas costs, we'd get the fuck out of Iraq and otherwise quit stirring the pot in the Middle East, we'd restore fiscal sanity to Washington D.C. by ending the costly war in Iraq and allowing Bush's tax cuts to expire, and we'd start doing something to wean this country off its petroleum addiction.
Do the math. Less political turmoil in the Middle East + an end to the dollar's slide in value + less demand = lower oil prices.
This would, unfortunately, require the average American voter to grow the fuck up and stop mindlessly supporting any politician who promises them something for nothing. Sadly, I won't be putting my money on that happening anytime soon.
April 15, 2008 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
ExxonMobil and the other sisters will almost certainly pocket a good chunk of that gas tax cut. Ask any economist.
This is a stupid, foolish idea and one can only hope that it's not followed through upon. If it is, I certainly hope that the blame for the next bridge that collapses is pinned squarely upon Bush and McCain.
Of course, as Jared noted at the beginning this is great politics. The cynical core of McCain's proposal is that there won't be any gas tax cut. That would require Congress to approve it, and they will do the responsible thing and refuse to. In refusing to do so, the GOP will be able to bash the Democrats as doing nothing to help Americans cope with rising gasoline costs.
If we really wanted to address the true causes behind rising gas costs, we'd get the fuck out of Iraq and otherwise quit stirring the pot in the Middle East, we'd restore fiscal sanity to Washington D.C. by ending the costly war in Iraq and allowing Bush's tax cuts to expire, and we'd start doing something to wean this country off its petroleum addiction.
Do the math. Less political turmoil in the Middle East + an end to the dollar's slide in value + less demand = lower oil prices.
This would, unfortunately, require the average American voter to grow the fuck up and stop mindlessly supporting any politician who promises them something for nothing. Sadly, I won't be putting my money on that happening anytime soon.
April 15, 2008 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
apologies for the triple post. I wish I could delete the last two like one could with the old comments system.
April 15, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
weaker dollar and more inflation
your cries of anguish, although heartfelt (and, indeed, touching) are about seven years too late.
Where were you when the horse left the barn, as the national debt doubled, as the current account deficit soared, as the productivity gains from information technology were usufructed to the obscene increase in the wealth at the top?
If I want to give the owning class a haircut, does that make me Sweeny Todd?
April 15, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
An 18.4 cent cut in gas prices would put us back to 2 weeks ago, for a few days.
The fed would buy the debt, print more dollars, decreasing the value of the currency, resulting in investors buying more oil to offset inflation and the gas tax cut would disappear faster than a Karl Rove email.
April 15, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
word.
April 15, 2008 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
ExxonMobil and the other sisters will almost certainly pocket a good chunk of that gas tax cut. Ask any economist.
This is a stupid, foolish idea and one can only hope that it's not followed through upon. If it is, I certainly hope that the blame for the next bridge that collapses is pinned squarely upon Bush and McCain.
Of course, as Jared noted at the beginning this is great politics. The cynical core of McCain's proposal is that there won't be any gas tax cut. That would require Congress to approve it, and they will do the responsible thing and refuse to. In refusing to do so, the GOP will be able to bash the Democrats as doing nothing to help Americans cope with rising gasoline costs.
If we really wanted to address the true causes behind rising gas costs, we'd get the fuck out of Iraq and otherwise quit stirring the pot in the Middle East, we'd restore fiscal sanity to Washington D.C. by ending the costly war in Iraq and allowing Bush's tax cuts to expire, and we'd start doing something to wean this country off its petroleum addiction.
Do the math. Less political turmoil in the Middle East + an end to the dollar's slide in value + less demand = lower oil prices.
This would, unfortunately, require the average American voter to grow the fuck up and stop mindlessly supporting any politician who promises them something for nothing. Sadly, I won't be putting my money on that happening anytime soon.
April 15, 2008 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Rynato
1. I disagree. Supplyside economics is the way out of this thing.
2. Most people will just do it the simple way. I don't think people will really do their taxes 3 times.
3. My Jeep Cherokee is a sweet ride. I'm saying 8 miles in the city because I tend to keep the air conditioning cranked. If I don't have that on I'm pushing 10 and highway without the air its 12.
Nate Peele
http://thatsrightnate.wordpress.com/
April 15, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) Supply side economics, as filtered through various GOP propagandists, is utter hokum. Ask any economist who isn't on the payroll of some right-wing doublethinktank like AEI. Laffer had a point with his curve; tax too much and people won't bother to work and invest, tax too little and government doesn't have the revenue necessary to perform its functions.
The GOP took the former and ran with it, completely ignoring the latter. "Lower taxes means more tax revenue!" is all one EVER hears from the GOP. Only a couple moments of thought would reveal the Big Lies in that assertion. For one, you can't lower taxes forever without lowering expenditures, and what the GOP has done for 25 years is lower taxes without lowering spending, instead borrowing more to cover (some) of the gap or raiding Social Security. In other words stealing from both our children and our grandparents to pay for their magic ponies.
Secondly, I thought the last thing Republicans wanted was more revenue for the government to spend. If less taxes means more tax revenue, wouldn't the GOP want more taxes in order to 'starve the beast'?
Say what you will about 'tax-and-spend', at least it has the virtue of being far more responsible and far more honest than, 'borrow-and-spend'.
2) No, most people will seek the most advantage in paying their taxes just like they do now. Why else do people hire accountants to find every single tax deduction? I would think a staunch conservative like you would understand the virtues of selfish behavior in a capitalist economy.
3) You're an asshole for expecting the government to subsidize your choice of a shitty vehicle that gets shitty mileage. 12 mpg max? I am not impressed. You are just as bad as the welfare queens your type constantly rails against; you expect the government to subsidize your poor choice of a vehicle to drive. If you can't afford gasoline for it, then get something that gets better mileage, don't expect the government to bail you out. There are many, many vehicles out there which get far better mileage than 12mpg and would do an equally adequate job of overcompensating for your inadequate penis.
4) You're still a repulsive asshole and emblematic of everything that's wrong with this country.
April 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
April 16, 2008 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please, enough with the supply side non-economics. Even the Wall Street Journal declared the debate over in 2003. Supply side lost. (Murray, Alan. "'Dynamic' Scoring Finally Ends Debate On Taxes, Revenue", Wall Street Journal, 2003-04-01, p. A4.)
Why would anyone want or need a Jeep Cherokee in the city? It's like using hedge clippers to trim your fingernails.
You're not going to convert Democrats to your brand of right-wing nuttiness with any of these outdated, disproved illustrations, which apparently is your not well thought out M.O. It's just more junk for us to wade through.
April 16, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
April 16, 2008 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't per se have a problem with someone driving a Jeep Cherokee in the city, it's just a piss-poor choice of urban vehicles. To expect a gas tax cut - most of which, I assure you, will go straight to the oil companies who will NOT lower the price of gasoline by 18 cents a gallon - because you made a lousy choice of vehicles is the height of self-centeredness and egotism. There are all kinds of oversized urban assault vehicles which get better mileage than that.
Hummers, however, don't get me started. They are the ultimate symbol of what's wrong with America's addiction to consumption: a bloated, ugly, poorly-made vehicle which rarely goes off-road and the few times it does, it falls apart on anything more rugged than a well-graded dirt road. People should key these motherfuckers whenever possible. If it were up to me, there'd be a hefty tax on any vehicle that gets less than 20mpg city and that figure would slowly creep up to 25mpg over 20 years.
April 16, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bob - I'm fresh out of analogies, but this Haiku by Tim might appeal:
April 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Trying it again.
April 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh. You get the gist. :-)
April 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
So I take it you're bitter?
April 15, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
bitter? No, angry at fools like you who are ruining this nation and all you would have to do to stop doing it, would be to use your brain, which has atrophied from a non-stop diet of Rush/Fox News Channel/GOP talking points.
And when the house of cards collapses, your sort will blame it on queers getting married and Bill Clinton getting a blow job.
April 16, 2008 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
All it takes to win elections in this country is to promise a tax cut. It doesn't matter who gets the tax cut, just so there is a tax cut. I can't remember a Republican running without promising a tax cut, and that is for any office at any level of government. Why, in my village the local dog catcher even promises a tax cut.
I keep wondering if the Rubes ever stop to wonder how come they still pay taxes, after all of those tax cuts the Republicans surely must have delivered. Oh, I forgot, the mega millionaires don't pay nearly as much taxes now, as they used to, so I'm cool again. I'm sure my cut will be the next one on the agenda.
April 16, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed, Hoppy. Meanwhile, your local dog catcher, who was trained by FEMA because of the budget cuts, is out chasing armadillos.
April 16, 2008 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tax cuts with runaway spending on wars, bailouts of failed investors, banks, Fanny Mae, are a joke and an insult to one's intelligence. People, the MONEY has to come from somewhere, and they're going to print it (or lower interest rates) and you'll FEEL the taxation, except you won't SEE it because it has morphed into this mysterious creature called INFLATION, that is, as you are assured repeatedly by the pundits, caused by rising wages, instability in the Middle East, rising demand from emerging economies, etc.
They don't tell you that it is caused by massively increasing the money supply, and WHY would they increase the money supply but to SPEND it themselves???
In a contained situation where "money" is merely a medium unit for the exchange for goods and services, it should be in a FINITE FORM (eg. gold or precious metals) to reflect the finite nature of our resources. Inflation will be an alien concept in such a contained situation.
It is when money is churned out of thin air that you're essentially at the mercy of the money churner (i.e. the Fed). Notice they don't publish the M3 money supply anymore, even though it has been as big a joke as the CPI, but even that tiny fig leaf is gone. Your wealth and savings can be easily taken away from you through "inflation" such that the Dollar that you earned andsaved a few years back that could buy x amount of oil then can only buy 1/4x amount of oil now. Where did that 3/4x go? It's the sound of the whirring printing presses, and the ones running the presses took that amount away from you.
April 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Inflation is the most pernicious tax of all as it punishes savers, workers whose wages are fixed at minimum, certain asset owners whose asset values do not rise as rapidly as the rate of inflation. At least with progressive taxation, the ones profiting the most from the economy are paying proportionately their due. Why is a diminishing $ not punishing the rich but is in fact, making them richer? That has to do with the upper-stream, trickle down nature of money, yep, TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS. At the money spigot, when $1 buys x amount of oil, that $1 spent can buy MUCH MORE than when it trickled down to the bottom where those massive amounts of $ start chasing the finite amount of oil, so $1 buys first x, then 3/4x, 1/2x, 1/3x, then 1/4x amount of oil. Who are the people gathered at the spigot spending buckets on themselves? You can see them splurging on Lear Jets and busily converting their soon to be useless $$$ into tangible assets.
April 16, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
STAMPEDE out of the Treasuries and Dollar Holdings
Hasten the day. Until the back of the the economic superiority on which the projection of Amerikan power is premised, the world will never have a day of peace. I look forward to the end of the dollar as a reserve currency.
re:"Chicoms"--term used to poke fun at the refugees from the Welch Society who have found find it convenient and profitable to outsource to the home of the Y----w Peril thus handing them the power to sell our paper (and our ass) out anytime we get uppity, like say, about human rights. (as if our governing claque of chimps gave a shit about human rights in China or anywhere else...)
As to the epithet you throw my way: "Liberal"
I, sir or madam, am a proud *Trotskyite--we despise liberals for the milquetoast middleoftheroaders that they are.
Watch your tongue!
*Possibly the last one left alive...
April 16, 2008 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Until the back is broken
Goddamit, where is my preview page??
April 16, 2008 6:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Trotskyites are incarnated as today's NeoCons aren't they?
Anyone to the left of George Bush might want to spare a thought for the billions of $1 an hour Yellow Peril wage slave putting away little pools of money for their children's future in banks which have in turn "invested" all that stored wealth in the "safest" Treasuries in the world against the uncertainties and calamnities of our times. That savings painstakingly built with $1 an hour backbreaking work is now worth 25 cents to the previous $1, all that to keep inflation down in America and allow the printing presses to churn out unlimited $$$ for the rich to spend. They were all SOLD these Treasuries on the premise that America would be fiscally responsbile.
The Dollar going Weimar will hurt the poorest Americans (and the poorest of the countries that converted their savings into Dollar Reserves) MOST, a millionaire can still survive by paying $100 for a loaf of bread, what do you think the poor should do? Dine on their babies?
April 16, 2008 6:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Trotskyites are incarnated as today's NeoCons aren't they
Touche.
April 16, 2008 7:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Second that.
This is a bit off topic, but let's not forget Lenin. I still find it amusing that the conservative stink tank Cato found it useful to recommend a "Leninist Strategy" in their long standing efforts to privatize social security (http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj3n2/cj3n2-11.pdf)
April 16, 2008 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
got no help from the link..came back with the cato search page, but from there, bupkis...
April 16, 2008 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
what do you think the poor should do?
Well, for starters, figure out that they are poor, that they have been screwed, and that there is a thing called "class consciousness"
The ameliorative adjustments of the New Deal having successfully postponed this realization saved the ruling class from itself.
Apparently the ruling class is now so consumed with greed that they have turned their back on FDR, the saviour they never really recognized.
April 16, 2008 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The poor has that one last lever of power, the vote, but of course big money can pervert the political process, to the point that they don't vote for their own interests.
I won't even call that particular breed of Capitalists in control of the Fed, both political parties, the banks, our money supply, the media, the MNCs, the MIC, "Conservatives" - a lot of Conservatives like Ron Paul will severely object to that as they are just as blithely pulverizing every conservative principle, eg. fiscal responsibility, the issuance of currency, taxation (the Constitution actually specifies that only *profits* be taxed, not wages, a pretty radical Marxist concept, think what that would do to the investor class...)etc.
I have no idea what to call them...Molochs?
April 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
they don't vote for their own interests
One might say that they bitterly cling to that which is intended to distract them, but in so saying, one would do well to sweep the room for cellphones first...
April 16, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conservatives are Leninists. This explains why they are destroying everything they touch
April 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, that leaves only Marx for me, brilliant, genius, prescient mind with incredible foresight to portend the screwed up "economics" we find ourselves in today. Every word he uttered is true. The problem is with all these megalomaniacs hitching onto his brilliance to bring about an ideological form of serfdom. Tony Benn puts it best, we need a democracy to bring about praxis - the paradox remains that any concentration of power in the hands of a small group of men would inevitably lead to corruption, dictatorship or fascism.
April 16, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink