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The Shamelessness of Doug Feith and the Neocons

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How amazing is it that Doug Feith has the audacity to go on Sixty Minutes to essentially brag about the war he and his fellow neocons tricked America into?

4000 Americans dead. Iraq destroyed. Thousands of dead Iraqi children.

And this war criminal goes on television to hawk his book. Watch this portion of the interview. To his credit, interviewer Steve Kroft looks like he wants to vomit.

But why belabor Feith. Any administration that would give this guy a security clearance, let alone make him #2 at the Pentagon, clearly knew what it was doing. Feith is an idiot but he is what Bush and Cheney wanted.

And he regrets nothing. Does being an American, even an American traitor, mean that you never have to say you are sorry? Not even for dead American teenagers and Iraqi babies. Not for those brain damaged young soldiers at Walter Reed and other VA hospitals.

Sickening.

For Feith's sake, I hope there is no God. (Actually, I don't).


For more information on Feith, read this.


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Comment from C&L: How is it these neocons can get by with killing countless innocent people, breaking our military, busting our budget and running our nation into the ground? Why is Feith is teaching at Georgetown instead of sitting in a prison cell?

Franks, according to Plan of Attack, says of Feith: "I have to deal with the stupidest f*****g guy on the planet almost every day." wikipedia

America must have some of the dumbest people on the planet for putting Bush/Cheney/Rove, and Feith, into the highest political positions in this nation.

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Well, remember they did steal both elections - 2000 in Florida & 2004 in Ohio.

My cognitive senses have been numbed by the horrendous lies,decepton and specious statments of this administration at all levels. But watching Feith being so completely dispationate and disconnected from the results of his personal positions and actions was sickening. The topper was Feith actually wrote the memo outling what could go wrong and everything came true. Give this jerk a job sweeping floors at a VA hospital, Gerogetown should toss his ass into the street.

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No, give the guy a job as the backstop of a basketball hoop in the parking lot outside of the VA hospital, where the patients go to play. And, hell, put a dunk tank underneath him.

“We certainly understood that these are the things that might happen. That’s why we wrote them down.”

That line could have been plucked right out of a first draft for Doctor Strangelove.
Vonnegut also springs to mind. comment at C&L

Feith is an "American traitor"? That's an interesting accusation.

It implies something more than incompetence or malice. It accuses Feith of deliberately betraying the interests of the United States in favor of those of another nation.

So, MJ, was this just another instance of hyperbolic rhetoric? Or are you willing to stand by the accusation of treason, and explain which country you believe Feith was serving?

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He was serving no other country's interests. But he was motivated in this, as in every other political position he has ever taken, by his support for a Likud right-wing agenda in Israel/Palestine.
Doug Feith, long before he darkened the American scene, was a leading activist in Washington against territorial (or any other) compromise by Israel. He despised and worked against Rabin and Peres. He lobbied for West Bank settlements.
Buthe was not working in the interests of Israel but for the most destabilizing forces within Israel.
Feith has no ideology other than promoting Israel's settlements policy. For him, dethroning Saddam was a way to relieve any pressure on Israel to relinquish the West Bank. It didn't work out that way.

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For [Feith], dethroning Saddam was a way to relieve any pressure on Israel to relinquish the West Bank.

How?

So the charge of "treason" is just another sloppy choice of words? Just another needlessly incendiary charge? Thanks for clarifying, MJ.

This sort of allegation is corrosive to the body politic. Labeling those with whom you disagree as traitors renders dialogue and disagreement all but impossible. It also tends to lead to the very worst sorts of abuses and persecutions. That's why the Framers took the trouble to enshrine a very specific definition of treason in the Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." There's no question in my mind (or, apparently, in yours) that Feith doesn't meet that test.

But perhaps you were speaking colloquially. Perhaps, as you claim, you meant to say that "Feith has no ideology other than promoting Israel's settlements policy." That charge has the virtue of specificity, but the liability of manifest stupidity. Feith is a fool, whose policies have proven costly, destructive, and counterproductive. But there's no question that he's a sincere fool - the most dangerous kind. He genuinely believed that we'd invade Iraq, be greeted as liberators, set up a vibrant and thriving democracy, and transform the region in accordance with our national interests.

There's an element of projection in your constant drumbeat of hate and loathing. It seems that you interpret everything through the prism of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Our country, you suggest, is being run by a dark and nefarious cabal of "neocons" advancing the interests of the "Likud right-wing agenda," and paying for it with "dead American teenagers and Iraqi babies." I'm appalled that TPM has chosen to give you a venue to continue to spout your conspiratorial, monotonous, and erroneous bile.

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Goodness, Fly. You are so sensitive to the neocons.
But, listen, they are real. They helped get us into the war. They are indifferent to America's interests.
I do not think they care about Israel either. They are rightwing slugs who would happily fight to the last American or Israeli 19-year old.
You might want to read this.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest
All the mudslinging in the world will not change the truth about Feith and company. You don't like that? You think it is unpolitic to talk about it?
Well, you have my apologies. I am sorry to inflict this discomfort upon you, more sorry than Feith and Perle are about the kids at Walter Reed.
One thing you are right about though. I do care deeply about Israel, in addition to my own country. Feith, Perle, Krauthammer, Kristol and the rest not only damage America but they have inflicted terrible damage on Israel. That bothers me. I am, after all, a Jew.

The article to which you link posits that neoconservatives "effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests, and that the only way to assure continued safety and prosperity for both countries is through hegemony in the Middle East--a hegemony achieved with the traditional cold war recipe of feints, force, clientism and covert action." I think that's a trifle simplistic, and would take issue with a number of the claims in the piece - most importantly, its omission of any meaningful role for Democratic processes in accounting for our foreign policies.

But its essential point, I think, is correct. You'll note that it's not claiming these folks "are indifferent to America's interests," nor that are solely advancing Israel's interests. The key element is the co-identification of those interests - like you and me, and indeed like most other Americans, neocons tend to believe that the interests of the United States and Israel are generally congruent. Where we would part ways with the neoconservatives, I suspect, is in identifying the nature of those interests. They believed that regime change in the Middle East would benefit America, by supplanting the repressive governments in the region with vibrant democracies, thus undermining the appeal of Islamic radicalism and aligning the region with American interests - and, by extension, with those of our Israeli allies. They were wrong. Catastrophically wrong. And their continued inability or unwillingness to recognize the nature or extent of their mistakes is costing us every day.

But to disagree with the neoconservative vision for either Israel or America is not to presume that those who advocated it acted in bad faith. I don't think that Doug Feith ever tried to conceal his views - indeed, the Nation article is but one of many which avail themselves of the rich public record to chronicle his views in detail. Neocons exaggerated the evidence precisely because they were convinced of the ultimate rectitude of the war - so instead of debating if we should be fighting, they used evidence instrumentally to convince that public that we should fight.

I write this not to excuse their mistakes, but to hold them to account. It's too easy to say, "These folks don't care about America" or "they're all in thrall to Israel" or "It's all a Likudnik conspiracy." Then, the next time someone comes along and makes the case for war, the relevant test becomes their patriotism or even their religion, and not the content of their ideas. But the neocons do care deeply about their country - and the whole point is that patriotism is insufficient to guarantee sound policy. If, instead, we say, "These folks operated under fallacious premises, and tried to put in place a vision of the world fundamentally at odds with reality," then the next time the drumbeat for war is sounded, we ask "Does this view of the world square with the evidence before our eyes?"

I know that you write as you do from a deep and passionate commitment to America, to Israel, and to justice. But I urge you to consider that sometimes sincerity is more dangerous than duplicity. The problem with neocons is not dual-loyalty anymore than it is indifference. The problem is that the policies they advocate have demonstrably failed to achieve their aims, and indeed, have proven counterproductive. Demonizing them, accusing them of treason, of witch hunts, of callous indifference - all of this serves only to further embitter and estrange. It amounts to fighting a straw-man - the neocon who is indifferent to his country and its interests. Easy prey, but there's no victory in it. Taking on those whose well-intentioned policies have resulted in one of the greatest foreign-policy catastrophes in our history, and seriously wounded the prospects for peace; now that's a worthy project.

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Well-put, Fly. Thanks.

I agree, and I am impressed that Mr. Rosenberg has not sought a rebuttal.

Intelligent and insightful as always.

I do object, however, to your ascribing good intentions to wilful bastards.

fly: "Taking on those whose well-intentioned policies have resulted in one of the greatest foreign-policy catastrophes in our history, and seriously wounded the prospects for peace; now that's a worthy project."

What are these "well-intentioned policies"? Intentions, acted upon, have consequences. It is from the consequences, not the propaganda that may surround the declared policies, that intentions must be judged.

For example, do neocons really want to spread democracy? If they do, one would expect to find in their behaviour evidence that they, themselves, value and practise democracy. Instead one finds the reverse.

As a policy, "spreading democracy" is a tad vague. One might ask a neocon, how do you intend to spread democracy? What exactly are your policies with regard to spreading of democracy? Or, as all human endeavours include a combination of force and intelligence, how much force and how much intelligence do your policies include?

You know as well as I do that actual neocon policies — the ones they practise themselves and the ones they attempt to legislate into government policy — are anything but well intentioned.

If one wishes to take on neocons, perhaps the first thing to do is to more ruthlessly expose what their actual intentions and policies are. When they're utterly discredited and defeated, then we will have the luxury of being merciful toward them. Not before.

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Dear Sir, I believe in America also. 4 years in the US Navy for starters. I also love Israel and approve of our partnership. I don't agree or approve of invading a country no threat to us started by people who apparently more concerned with Israel than their own country because we had the 'power'and defeating Iraq would be easy and take pressure off Israel. None of that worked. Has the middle east become the stable area invisioned? Bush 41 had the same phrase Bush 43 uses from time to time about "my vision." Everytime I heard it I wanted to vomit. Feith, Pearl, Wolfowicz, Wurmser, Krystol are big parts of getting us into this mess. I also believe they had the urging of Israel. Isn't/wasn't Feith investigated for passing information to Israel that convicted two men? Didn't that have a large part of his resignation from the Pentagon? And what prompted Pearle to leave his advisory post in the Pentagon after the start of the war? PNAC and AIPAC always come up when discussing the runup to the war. I am not an investigator and welcome corrections factually and have an open mind except when it comes to this clusterfuck war. Why are we paying for reconstruction? Oil has risen 600%(a guess because I don't remember the price which I believe about $40.00/brl.) since the start of the war and we are still paying? Where are the proceeds from Iraqi oil going? One thing is ALWAYS overlooked. Those that return. Where is the care for wounded? Where is the WWII type GI Bill? Those that started this goddamn thing now have cushy spots in universities and think tanke and our soldiers only have another tour in Iraq or Afghanistan to look forward to because of "stop loss."

Feith has created a self-serving Wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_and_Decision

Seems to have left out all the criticism (shocking, I know).

Great catch. Could be his publisher or someone else like that, but either way, it's outrageous.

M.J.
Singlehandedly you are restoring my faith in this country.
There is hope that we can (again?) simply talk without lowering our voices and looking behind our back nervously.
You are my hero!
The f**king king has no clothes, really
down with taboos.
And just in case I am a citizen, just for the last 7 years I felt really alienated and scared of even opening my mouth other than to whisper.


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Legal, there should be no taboos. We have to be able to say what we think on any and every issue. These are matters of life and death.
THANKS,
MJ

PS With these guys in power, you do have to be careful. They deport the foreign wives of soldiers killed in Iraq.
There was a segment on "This American Life" about deportations two weeks ago that was amazing. Here's the summary:
This American Life contributor Jack Hitt uncovers a strange practice within the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service. If a foreign national marries a U.S. citizen and schedules an interview for a green card, but the U.S. citizen dies before the interview takes place, the foreign national is scheduled for deportation with no appeal—even if the couple has children who are U.S. citizens. Jack talks with Brent Renison, a lawyer who's representing over 130 people in this situation, mostly widows, who are seeking to overturn the Immigration Service's rule. (20 minutes)

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It is possible to be a traitor by serving America so badly that you are in effect serving another master.

That is what the neocons have done.

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The definition of "treason" is pretty clear and provided in the Constitution: giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war, etc. Even I, an opponent of Israel's policies and in many ways a critic of the entire Zionist enterprise, would certainly NOT define Israel, or the Likud, or even the settler movement, as "the enemy." The United States isn't at war with any of them.

The term I prefer (borrowing a page from the old Cold Warriors) is "agent of influence". I think it is fair to describe Feith an agent of influence of the Likud Party and the settler movement. It's not so much that his primary loyalty is to them, as that he does not and cannot see any distinction between his loyalty to them, and to the dream (nightmare?) of a Greater Israel, and his loyalty to the United States -- which in itself is a form of disloyalty.

But it's not treason.

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