In a stunning political development Obama says he's converting to Buddhism and running with the Dalai Lama as his vice-president.

Yes folks, thats the 50% that voted for Bush in 2004 against their own best interests. A good deal of people voted against Roosevelt, Kennedy and Lincoln too. What can you do?

I'm encouraged by the record numbers of people registering to vote, but I sometimes fear that it will only result in more stupid people voting.

Disheartening.

This is now Clinton's base? Hmmm.

I wonder if we could walk into a cafe in an Obama or McCain stronghold and cherry pick a few choice, obnoxious quotes similar to...

-- I'd never vote for a woman; she's a bitch/cunt; nothing against Hillary or anything, but I just hate that woman!; She and Bill murdered Vince Foster; HIV was started by the government to exterminate people of color...etc. and then suggest this is now their base?

Curious.

Thank you loki for bringing some sense to this dialogue. My problem with Senator Obama is not him but many of his followers. They appear rather arrogant to me and seem to think that Mr. Obama is their silver bullet to getting everything they want. Most of the newbies probably do not understand that it is THEM who should be getting envolved on the local levels and pushing up to help force the agenda of a Progressive Republic. I certainly do not want to see Senator "McChange for the Rose Garden" McCain win but neither Senator Obama or Senator Clinton is the answer. The answer is people like us who do educate ourselves as best we can, trying to help create a system that really does help educate the voting public. This will never be accomplished by sitting around sighing.

Movement conservatism has been tremendously successful advancing its policies through an attitude that it is better to be "right" than smart, and counting on the fact that there will never be a shortage of voters who yearn to be on the side that appears to be winning.

I guess Ron White's right: "You can't fix stupid".

There are unquestioniably people who are predisposed to not vote for a colored guy, to believe that anybody darker than they are is a Muslim terrorist, to look with comfortable familiarity and affection on their favorite soap opera stars. We can't do anything about them, except hope they aren't the majority.

Or. as Deputy Dubya Bush likes to say: "You can fool some of the people all of the time -- and those are the ones you have to concentrate on."

I'd say that You-Know-Her as internalized that aphorism well enough.

this is really just a horrible mashup

Who's to say these people are any more wrong then the people who listen attentively to the presidential candidates and actually believe what they are told?

Credibility? Quick -- name a recent US president who hasn't been either a major embarrassment or a complete fool (or both of these).

Personally I think that the average folks in Jimmy’s Quick Lunch have more credibility than the clowns who are begging for votes while suggesting that they should be given extraordinary power by average folks to do the wrong things they have habitually done.

Take that guy on the last stool over there, is he threatening to bomb another country? And that lady there in the booth, is she real happy about extending the Iraq war another day?

Where's my llama? Don't we all get a llamas? Obama llamas for all! Llamas!

Don Bacon said:

"Credibility? Quick -- name a recent US president who hasn't been either a major embarrassment or a complete fool (or both of these)."

IMO: Bill Clinton.

Still voting for Obama. And BTW, loki, I'd actually like you to find an "Obama stronghold" in which people express sentiments like "I'd never vote for a woman" or "Hillary murdered Vince Foster." Get back to us with a name or address for such.

Yeah, well sometimes the lama pops.

If you don't get that, you are not the hip hop fan I am.

:)

Any politician, colored or regular, would have done the same.

Colored or regular! lol!

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

I'm gonna ride my llama
From Peru to Texarkana
I wanna ride him good
In my old neighborhood

-Neil Young, Ride My Llama

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If you think this isn't a lot of it, you are delusional. I am not going to name names, but I have friends in my 1970 class of Bronx HS of Science who feel exactly this.

The way I see it, the Republican propaganda campaign that started in the 1990's worked not only for Republicans, but Democrats too. It's unbelievable how many supporters of Obama, on the one hand, actually believe Republican talking points about the Clinton's on the other.

I'm an Alabama Llama who's voting for Obama.

The point isn't whether Obama's supporters have ever accused her of killing Vince Foster. That kind of literal double-speak is just an attempt to deflect the real problem with your approach to her. (Although, it is fair to say that y'all talk "around" that sort of garbage all the time.)

Some of the more vapid comments from you folks have included calling her a "monster" as was done by that Power creature. More to the point, you would be hard pressed to find at least one thread here where somebody hasn't called her a bitch or worse.

So please - don't go getting all self-congratulatory and self-righteous pretending to be above what you are yourselves so very, very guilt of.

Oh come on! All Lamas look alike, no matter what part of the world they come from. They are not American. They all wear Muslim Garb you know, just like we in America wear Christian Garb.

mayur12, I can't speak for loki, but I can give you enough names and addresses to keep you quite busy. Try The Coffee Cup, 520 E Cervantes St
Pensacola, FL 32501.

Want the names of some otherwise rational folks who think she hates MLK and would rather play a race card than bowl?

I know plenty of people who fit the descriptions supplied by both Michael Bérubé and loki.

This will come as a shock to a fellow as erudite and sophisticated as you are, but there are some people who believe anything they see or read in the media. They simply do not understand that a reporter will often question many people until he finds the right quote to support his slant on the story. You see, some people when confronted by a reporter blurt out incredibly stupid remarks, and then regret it to their dying day, because they know that on that dying day someone will bring it up and everyone at the funeral will have a good laugh at the dead moron's expense. "Remember that time he talked to that reporter and..." the Puddin'Head Wilson effect, forever more the town idiot.

These uneducated slobs think that because a reporter wrote it, it must be true, if some reporter says that Obama may have been a Muslim, it must be true. I know, I know, it's hard to believe that in this day and age people still fall for it, but sadly it still happens. Of course, being the rubes that they are, they are susceptible to all kinds of prejudices and are generally gullible as a class. That these two people quoted in the story are representative of millions of other voters probably hasn't occurred to these poor, dumb rubes, they probably think they're speaking for themselves. They lack your urbanity, your worldliness, your ability to read this article with discernment and then make grand and sweeping generalizations about millions of others, the silly, naive bastards.

Obama turned me into a Llama (but I got better)

My wife is a union Democrat, born and raised in a major rust belt city. She has been active in her local community, raised three great kids, punched a clock for two decades, buried her first husband and is making her way through a new life with me, in a western red state.

I'm sure she'd be pleased to know that her support of Hillary Clinton has been cleverly written off by some amateur internet political scientist, divining some heretofore undiscovered truth from a paragraph in a news story, as the product of ignorance and HRC's pandering to prejudice.

This is why, I honestly believe, Barack Obama is going to lose in November. I see this especially on Kos - this frantic, clinical obsession with finding small minded, evil and ugly conspiracies everywhere, and Obama supporters' claim to brilliance and purity and high-minded political elegance, outraged that the opposition won't throw garlands at the feet of their candidate.

Clinton is a lousy fighter, maybe even a dirty fighter, but that's the role she's been relegated to. I expect her to fight. Obama supporters should just suck it up - McCain and his legion of Republican orcs will come at Obama alot harder that Clinton has.

If the Democrats are afraid of a fight, or outraged by it, expect their candidate - Obama or Clinton - to get positively clobbered in November.

Sigh... Comments like this from uneducated idiots really makes me wish I had that vaporizer I dream about when stuck in rush hour traffic.

Zzzzt...Zzzzt... more room to drive and think.

Oh well.

59 million of them were in the last election!

"The way I see it, the Republican propaganda campaign that started in the 1990's worked not only for Republicans, but Democrats too. It's unbelievable how many supporters of Obama, on the one hand, actually believe Republican talking points about the Clinton's on the other."

Finally. Common sense from an Obama supporter. Some of you are finally catching on.

Listen, people - this isn't "American Idol" and it isn't "Reality" TV. It's Real Life. The REAL Real Life, not the TV version.

The fantasy world too many of you are living in is going to come crashing down around your heads unless you come to your senses and FIGURE IT OUT: The Republicans are going to kick your asses in November if you insist on pushing this synthetic celebrity as president without accepting the simple fact that SOME PEOPLE DON'T GET IT. Don't make fun of them, don't call them names, don't pretend like they don't matter. They do. They vote.

The morons quoted in this little cafe scene are outliers, and the intelligent among you know it. (Those of you who are actually challenged enough to believe otherwise won't have read this far.) What they represent, however, is what "gbrook" says: Far, far too many of you want to believe the Republican anti-Clinton talking points.

Get past it, people. Come back down from the clouds and join the rest of us here in this universe. Spit out the kool-aid and start thinking, for a change. And deciding you won't vote for Clinton, or you just won't vote, if Obama doesn't get the nomination is NOT thinking.

"I'm an Alabama Llama who's voting for Obama."

"I'm a Cranky Old Yank,
In a Clanky Old Tank,
On the Streets of Yokohama...."

It goes on to hold the record as the longest published song title, by Hoagy Carmichael.

The same might be said for this story. Who knows how many folks at Jimmy's the reporter had to interview over how long a period to get sufficiently appalling comments? They may not be "representative of millions of other voters".

Or is that what you were saying?

"That so many of Senator Clinton's supporters are "low information voters" or political primary first timers became apparent to me some time ago taking messages off our Dem Party Hdqtrs voicemail here in Florida."

Oh, wow. I feel blessed to be reading Your words, Your Superiorness. I reached up to the screen to touch Them. We're not worthy O Wise Woman, we're not worthy....

~snort~

Anyway, I think she was talking about the Dolly Llama.