TPMCafe
« Losing the Narrative | Home | Putting Fallacies to Rest »

The Issue is Black and White

user-pic
I think, without a doubt, Obama's speech definitely advanced the dialogue. I thought it was the most complex, layered speech on race I've ever heard from a politician. Furthermore, it was one of the brainiest meditations on any subject I've ever heard from a presidential candidate so close to the White House. But I think Glenn makes a great point. The talking heads are running around claiming this is the greatest speech on race since "I Have a Dream." But we should be wary because history and race are two of the MSM's biggest blind-spots. The hamfisted, slack manner in which they've handled Obama's racial identity (last year he wasn't black enough, now he's too black) is evidence that these are the last people to we should turn to for answers on something as nuanced as this. In fact, I think that's the sort of question that can not, and should not, be answered today. Let's see what happens. Then we can judge the historical import of "The Speech."

That aside, as we look forward we have a huge problem when it comes to closing the racial gap. But first some qualification: To talk about this broadly in terms of race, I think misses the point. Since "The Speech," I've seen some folks asking why Obama didn't talk more about issues affecting the Latino community. I've seen a few others, mostly in the blogosphere, wishing that he'd addressed gender issues. I think what would immediately help is some specificity. We need to distinguish between the run of the mill prejudice inherent in virtually all societies, and the black-white chasm that's been with us since our founding. What I believe Obama was addressing, was something different than the nativist bias that's now being visited upon Hispanics. No disrespect to America's great ethnic gumbo, but this conversation is about black people and white people.

By saying that, I don't mean to claim that racism itself is only about black and white people. What I mean is that the divide between black and white goes beyond prejudice and right to the very core of how white America has always defined itself. The concept of "white people" has proved itself to be very malleable, integrating people who initially were never thought of as white (Irish, Italians, potentially even Mexicans). But black people are the great insoluble. Having been since the country's founding, black people are still the most segregated group in America. Slavery, the Civil War and the Civil Rights movement weren't just about racism writ large, they were about the gulf between black and white. What I am trying to say is that while there may need to be a "National Conversation About Racism," I think history shows that, over the long term, America has coped fairly well with the protean concept of race. But it hasn't coped particularly well with black people.

I hate to present the case that way, because I don't want folks to feel like they're excluded from the conversation, nor do I think they should be. But we misjudge the depth of the waters into which we wade if we think that America's long history of racism is simply about people not liking each other because they're different. The black-white chasm is so much deeper than that at this point. We would do well to avoid obscuring this complicated issue by trying to pull together some "Rainbow, Kumbaya, all-the-races-under-God moment." It's not that I'm opposed to that. But, as I've said, it greatly misjudges what we're facing.

So to start, I think it'd be helpful to focus the discussion on the historic black-white gulf. I think that, going forward, we must acknowledge the progress that's been made. We've got to be able to talk and chew gum, and say that things have, at once, gotten a lot better, and yet we still face incredible challenges. Now for the hard part: I think there has to be some acknowledging of history, and a dismissal of the power of white guilt. What I mean is we can't be afraid to look at the past because it makes people feel bad. Following that, looking at history, policy-makers have to start acknowledging that the past has direct impact on the state of affairs today.

No less than Condi Rice, that great auger of racial dialogue, recently said that, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that." She went on to say the legacy racism "makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today." We have to drop this charade that everything is fair. It immediately insults the intelligence of black people, and feeds the sort of anger that Obama referenced.

But having done that, I think that black folks have to understand that whatever happens from here on out, is going to be a compromise. There's a place in The Audacity of Hope (don't have the passage at hand) where Obama basically says that for better or worse, white America's will to tangibly redress the racial gap is not particularly strong, if it ever was to begin with. That's an initially depressing thought, but I think one way around that is to stop talking about the black-white gap in moral terms, and start talking about in hard-headed, tangible, self-interested terms. In other words, we have to make a critical mass of Americans understand that it's in their interest to heal this ancient wound, that white people aren't doing black people a favor by talking about race, they're saving the country. We have start discussing this like it's a national security issue.

We err when we talk about racism as this force that ultimately helps whites, but hurts blacks. The truth is that white people have paid terribly for America's original sin. Consider that while other countries were able to relatively peaceably excise themselves from slavery, America had to sacrifice some 700,000 of its young in order to move forward. That is a horrible toll. Look at the Civil Rights movement and compare, say, the fates of Atlanta and Birmingham, and then look at how the two cities handle the impending epoch of integration. I confess no hard evidence here, but is it a mistake that some of the least prosperous states in the country are also some of the most historically anti-black? Beyond history, from the perspective of cold capitalism, we are in a dog fight for dominance with rising powers. Isn't every black child we lose to a broken educational system a soldier lost before we could even enlist her for the coming battle?

At some point, this has to move beyond a "do the right thing white people" discussion and become a "this is for the good of America" discussion. We have to start convincing people that closing the racial gap helps everyone. The good news is we're starting to see some action that moves down that path. Glenn rightly alluded to the continuing crisis of the large portion of black men residing behind bars. One of the more promising developments is that states are starting to own up to some of the foolishness of their criminal justice policies. But they're not doing it out of any love for black folks, they're doing it because it's in their economic interest—they simply can't afford to keep warehousing black men. I think there's a light in that reasoning. We have to begin to show people how this discussion benefits them.

I would like to take a moment to respond to Glenn's response to Obama's speech. I find this endlessly fascinating because the two of us are basically of two different generations. As Glenn said, he's of Rev. Wright's generation. I'm actually, I would say, a generation behind Obama, and I think that really influences a lot about how we see things—and where we differ. Specifically, I would take issue with Glenn's point about the "infantile narcissistic impulse" among black folks is supporting Obama.

It bears repeating that in every single presidential race since 1984 there has been a black candidate, but with the exception of Jesse Jackson, not one has been able to organize any real support among black folks. When Al Sharpton ran in 2004, he not only lost the District of Columbia to Howard Dean, in South Carolina, he lost the black vote to John Edwards and John Kerry. Thus the idea that there is some sort of knee-jerk support for the black guy mindset at work here strikes me as wrong.

Even in 2008, really right up until Obama's win in Iowa, Hillary Clinton's polling among black voters pointed toward dominance. After Iowa, it looked like it was going to be a fight—but no one saw Obama taking 90 percent of black voters. Two things happened. First, the Clinton machine took an approach to race that can be described as clumsy—and that's being charitable. I'm not just talking about the gaffes, I'm talking about the entire approach of basically going into states like South Carolina and securing big endorsements from preachers and the civil rights crowd, and then assuming that would deliver votes. It's exactly that sort of top-down organizing that has betrayed Clinton repeatedly, and it got her with black voters because Obama was able to basically bypass the gatekeepers and go right to the barbershops and beauty salons.

This leads to my second point. Obama is a gifted politician backed by a superior organization. Obama hasn't just beaten Clinton through some magical fairy dust—it's been through his own deft political skills and those of his team. (Compare Obama dealing with Rev. Wright with Clinton dealing with Bosnia.) Just as that's helped Obama with white voters, it's the same with black voters. I don't mean to say race isn't a factor. More to the point I would say, confronted with the entirety of the Obama package—the fact  that he's exceptionally intelligent, a great politician, has a great story, has an Ivy League pedigree, and is not just black, but almost flagrantly, self-identified black, as Glenn said—it's really hard for a black voter to say no. If Clarence Thomas had to run for the Supreme Court, I doubt he would have gotten much support from black folks. I mean, who listens to Alan Keyes? As for not being "the black candidate," that's a borderline racist media invention. Only black public figures are talked about in this way. No one tells Joe Lieberman that he can't be seen as "Jewish senator." Hillary Clinton has reveled in being the first woman to have a real shot at the White House. I also think it's condescending, and assumes that most of white America consists of prehistoric bigots.

I know this seems like an aside, but I think it goes right to heart of our discussion here. This relationship between blacks and whites, and between blacks of various generations, is complicated, twisted and beautiful. We've got to start talking about these things on a level that respects that convoluted beauty. We need to aggressively investigate generalization about black folks and white folks. We have to stop going off beliefs about who we are that were molded in the civil rights and black power '60s, and then hardened during the identity wars of the '80s and '90s. A lot has changed since. Intellectuals, writers, thinkers, pundits and talkers need to account for what has—and hasn't shifted—when we analyze the world. We can't simply go on what we feel is the case.


13 Comments

| Leave a comment

Excellent article.....I thank you for writing it. So much to think about there. Its interesting from the standpoint of being from Obamas generation to get a younger persons' view. And we all have to talk about all these things. And hear each other out as Americans. Like I said lots to think about...Thanks very much.

But black people are the great insoluble


Not just in America but worldwide. Finally, someone willing to tell it like it is. Bravo.

For the first time I feel that being old is a disadvantage in political dialogue...and that's a good thing. Hopefully, Mr. Coates isn't an isolated example of youthful brilliance.

The black and white chasm as you say goes back to the founding when the Founders decided to include the three-fifths clause in the Constitution. I believe it gave license to white Americans to treat black people as three-fifths of a person. One the strangest aspects of American history is that race relations became more tenuous as the country moved closer to the present. After the Civil War, the Civil Rights movement failed miserably and race relations took another hit as Jim Crow came into vogue. It took one hundred years and a multitude of dead black people to throw off the yoke of Jim Crow. Finally legislation passed for what was fought for one hundred years ago. That one hundred years puts the country squarely in the 1960s. Although black and whites have lived in this country for four hundred years, blacks finally experienced something white people took for granted: our freedom.

I was two years old when Mr.Luther King was shot, so what I know of him is etched into my mind by film footage. I really appreciate what that generation did for my generation. If there is one concrete benefit I received from the Civil Rights movement I would point to my opportunity to attend a de-segregated high school in a northern city. This allowed me to go on to post-secondary education. I can't impress upon white Americans enough how much an education with a functioning library and teachers who teach mean. It makes a world of difference. I went to segregated schools during my elementary and part of my middle school experience; I loved it. Nevertheless, I think it was important to go to a de-segregated school to learn how to deal with the world I was going to live in.

And yes I grew up in segregated public housing and somehow I managed to survive to make it this far in my life. I know too many others who didn't make it because life, as I look back at was extremely hard.

While the formation of this country rests on a political compromise, not racial, to designate slaves as 3/5ths so that the South would not dominate representation in Congress, we have to look at the generational aspect of slavery.

There were 12 generations of slavery in America. So when it coms time to look at the progress of black Americans we should note that their has only been one post Civil Rights generation. Only ONE.

Despite, there being only one generation and LBJ's speech at Howard specifically delineating the need to provide societal support for blacks we are faced with the dismantling of affirmative action, which was one of the few programs put in place with the signing of the Civil Rights Act.

Only one generation of blacks has had the benefit of affirmative action but there were 12 generations of slavery.

America is silly to think that all of the terrible and tragic abuse that lives within 12 generations of descendants of slaves will be wiped out in one generation.

"This relationship between blacks and whites, and between blacks of various generations, is complicated, twisted and beautiful. We've got to start talking about these things on a level that respects that convoluted beauty. We need to aggressively investigate generalization about black folks and white folks....We have to start convincing people that closing the racial gap helps everyone."

Lovely post. You make your point and then focus down hard on possible strategies to implement this dialogue on "the racial divide". And I welcome this.
I welcome these forays exploring the shape this dialogue will take. I find them to provide further proof of what is beginning to happen in this country. Folks, there's a change a-comin'. For good or ill. We hold the answer.
Again, thank you Ta-Nehisi. Well done!

"This relationship between blacks and whites, and between blacks of various generations, is complicated, twisted and beautiful. We've got to start talking about these things on a level that respects that convoluted beauty. We need to aggressively investigate generalization about black folks and white folks....We have to start convincing people that closing the racial gap helps everyone."

Lovely post. You make your point and then focus down hard on possible strategies to implement this dialogue on "the racial divide". And I welcome this.
I welcome these forays exploring the shape this dialogue will take. I find them to provide further proof of what is beginning to happen in this country. Folks, there's a change a-comin'. For good or ill. We hold the answer.
Again, thank you Ta-Nehisi. Well done!

user-pic

Thank you for pointing out this is a conversation about black people and white people.

The problem is and will continue to be, however, that most white people don't spend any time at all considering these questions, aren't really concerned, and don't understand at all because of their lack of interest why black Americans feel the way they do about race. Until white people actually take an interest and get a clue the dynamics will never change.

user-pic

I agree entirely with most of the particulars here and maybe it's because like you I'm part of the Obama generation.


As a white person, I long ago came to see it in my interests to address the grievances of African Americans, and what I find disheartening about Loury's response is that it suggests that this is impossible because black's don't want reconciliation. Instead Loury seems to want to continue forever as outsiders with "an outsider's voice" crusading for social justice.

Whites, I believe, will accept a dismissal of white guilt but will be increaslingly angered by a constant APPEAL to white guilt.

And so I would argue with some of your framing of all this, but since I don't have time now, I'll have to come back to it later.

Excellent post, Mr. Coates.

As for not being "the black candidate," that's a borderline racist media invention.

That bit and the blithe and continuous reassertion of how Bill Clinton was the first black president nearly drove me insane during the SC primaries. I was so relieved when Morrison wrote her letter to Obama and his campaign released the letter.

My experience--as a person who grew up in a country that had very few black people in it--coming to America at the age of 13 and settling down to live in Bedford Stuyvesant was a great shock. The invisible barriers that existed between the races were in stark contrast to the more communitarian environment of my native land. The goal should be to achieve the kind of social cohesion as the norm.

I agree with Mr. Coates that the status quo relations between the white man and the black man are dismal indeed. I also agree that it is a crisis that has national security implications.

My strong feeling is that the type of social change that needs to take place can only be achieved on a one to one basis. That requires both blacks and whites to make a special effort to set aside their (let's call them) hang ups about each other and deal with each other man-to-man (in the inclusive sense of man). You have to set aside the historical injustice and I have to set aside my useless white guilt that breeds resentment. Both baggages lead predictably to strife and alienation.

The fundamental fact is that we are a family and we do live together and the future of both our races is tied together. There is no getting around it and there is no postponing things for "another day".

It is the antipathy that is the problem. It is our common future that's going to have to settle this if we are to survive as a viable nation.

Black Liberation Theology is to a large extent the result of white rejection and white rejection is to a large extent due to a distinct and discernable hostility noted coming from the black community. In a sense it is a vicious circle. White guilt is a dysfunctional byproduct of the situation and has no place in racial reconciliation. It is harmful to it.

All social change is the product of individual persons interacting with other individual persons, one on one. That's where it has to start. One on one. No big speeches or disingenuous displays of outrage. No “I’m-less-racist-than-thou” tantrums from whites. (I call that the Rosenberg syndrome). In short: both sides have to get rid of their ill will and replace it with good will. You have to force yourself to interact with the other guy without preconceived notions about them.

I am a Hillary supporter but I think that Obama, if he becomes president, would be in an excellent position to promote this process of reconciliation from the top.

I know, I sound like Dr. Phil


user-pic

I certainly appreciate the amount of common sense displayed in your post and it gives me hope.

In many ways the failure to address issues of race have been hampered by persistent economic inequality. Today that inequality extends across racial divides and is probably our best hope for uniting on common ground.

I believe that if disparities in the wealth of this country were better distributed in better schools for all, better healthcare for all, economic programs, childcare and a diversion of all of this wealth we are dumping down the drain in foreign misadventures that don't benefit us as a people to our infrastructure.

Undoubtedly, there is less racism in this country now than at any previous point in our history, but, unless the persistent social problems that breed hopelessness, crime and violence are addressed it will be more difficult to completely heal the racial divide.

It's amusing to me how deadly earnest and simplistically naive this sounds, but, you so rarely hear it. It's sorely missing.

The first baby step is wanting to address this issue in a spirit of honest dialogue.

That will never happen in the MSM.

user-pic

how many of us have more black friends than friends who grew up in poverty?

i would submit that in the final analysis the poor are even more insoluble than skin color.

Leave a comment

Advertisement
Please disable your adblocker!
Ads are how we pay the bills!

Subscribe

The Coffee House
TPMCafe's regulars

House Brew
From Your Cafe Editor

Special Guests
Big names and big brains

Special Features
Pressing topics and trends

Table for One
An expert's week-long talk.

All Reader Posts
TPM readers discuss.

Recent Reader Posts

All Reader Posts »





Masthead

Editor-in-Chief
Josh Marshall

Site Editor
Lila Shapiro

Intern
Kyle Krahel-Frolander



Subscribe to TPMCafe's feed.
Subscribe to TPMCafe's reader blog feed.

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address