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Manchurian Candidate

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It turns out the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy really likes Hillary after all. Richard Mellon Scaife, who financed the early Anti-Clinton Investigations asked Hillary to lunch the other day. He was impressed.

Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation's security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America.

In other words, Hillary is ready to return to a worldwide war against the godless powers of Russia, China and Venezuela, that Scaife has always desired. OMG.

Since Scaife was so impressed maybe he and his billionaire friends can bail out Hillary's broke campaign before she stiffs too many more creditors..


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These pigs can move on a dime. If the republicans become failures, then there is always some democrat out there that will accept their lucre. Fellow dems. Open your eyes. Look where Hillary is leading you. The Clinton's have never supported us, it has always been about them.

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How can a Democrat, in good conscience, support a presidential candidate who meets with Sciafe's approval? The only answer I can see is if Sciafe also approves of Obama. Let's wait and see.

I guess when your public approval rating is at its lowest point since 2001 one must seek friends where one may fined them. Let's remember that some months ago Clinton buddied up to Murdoch.

Given that the Clinton campaign is essentially broke, perhaps Senator Clinton is sucking up for a contribution.

I'm actually felling sorry for Clinton, as with each passing day her campaign becomes more of a joke.

Hillary IS the Right Wing Conspiracy at this point -- doing all she can to damage the guy who is 99% likely to be the Democratic nominee for president. Hillary praises McCain (who once made a horrible joke about Chelsea), sits down with this joker, and says she's going to stay in it forever. She's doing exactly what Republicans couldn't have dared dream she would do.

Shakespeare couldn't have written it better.

The Clintons, the Bushes, the Cheneys and the McCains have more in common than meets the eye.

There is a generational divide, two mentalities:

On the older side, 60+, the psychology that runs the deepest is a 20th century fear of rising countries like Russia and China and independent growing economies that partner with them, like Iran. One goal-- the United States must remain the world's only superpower.

On the younger side, 50 and under, the psychology is collaborative-- a 21st century vision of multi-lateralism--not one almighty country, but a great country among many great countries.

Of course, in places throughout America, there are geographical lags, but for the most part, I think, these two mentalities are competing for the future.


Read Daniel L. Goodstein.
The most important foreign policy issue facing any candidate is how to secure our oil supplies at reasonable prices.
No candidate - whether or not they pay their bills, whether or not they meet with people considered anathema by ignorant "progressives" - is going to force draconian rationing on the American people.
That's what's required, together was a crash research program to find and implement alternatives to fossil fuels.
Scaife and Clinton understand that. That's why they met and agreed. Do you really believe Obama has some magical alternative? Of course, he doesn't. He'll have to implement exactly the same policies but - perhaps - with a little more freedom to tax the wealthy.

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"Secure oil supplies" is a red herring to support military aggression for power and profit. Oil fields are developed by enterprising wildcatters and is sold on the open commodities market to the highest bidder.

The Kurdish Regional government has given the Norwegian oil company DNO the first deal in the whole of post-Saddam Iraq to pump new crude oil. DNO have rented a drilling rig from China, complete with a troop of Chinese drillers. They struck oil at the first attempt, finding a 250 million barrels.

@Don Bacon

"Secure oil supplies" is a red herring to support military aggression for power and profit.
A perfect example of why I call "progressives" ignorant.

DNO have rented a drilling rig from China, complete with a troop of Chinese drillers. They struck oil at the first attempt,
More of the same. Are these sentences supposed to tell us something about global oil supplies, about the impending imbalance between supply and demand, about peak oil, about American vs. Norwegian or Chinese technology...?

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The most important foreign policy issue facing any candidate is how to secure our oil supplies at reasonable prices.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how our oil supplies might be secured. Would you be as militarily offensive as you are verbally offensive? Invade Iran? Russia? How would you keep Norwegian companies and Chinese oil rigs away from our "secured" oil supplies? What exactly is an "imbalance between supply and demand" when oil is sold as any other commodity in a free market?

Indeed--'securing' the oil supply worked so well in Iraq, didn't it?

It's so typical how a 'winger can sniff about the 'ignorant' progressives, while pulling off the single biggest Ignorant Move of our lifetimes--the invasion of Iraq--all in the name of 'securing' the oil supply, but having the effect of driving gas over $4/gallon and killing the Dollar. Masterful!

Shove your 'security' up your culo, offensive, where it can meet your head. I don't think this country can afford the kind of 'security' you fantasize about.

@Don Bacon
Would you be as militarily offensive as you are verbally offensive?
I would prefer to do as the ancient Romans did and install a dictator for the duration of the emergency, raise gas prices to $10/gallon, begin a crash research program on deuterium fusion and solar cells, expel all illegals and guard the border with orders to use deadly force, prioritize immediate replacement of cars with public transport..supported by the use of deadly force against all who deface public vehicles or buildings or commit crimes while being so transported, and generally treat the fossil fuels emergency with the draconian measures it requires.
Barring that - in other words in the real world - I absolutely would be as military offensive as I could be.

What exactly is an "imbalance between supply and demand" when oil is sold as any other commodity in a free market?
I didn't think anyone could be this ignorant. It means - in economic terms - that prices must be astronomically high for markets to clear, that producers can charge enormous prices for an increasingly scarce but absolutely necessary commodity. In real terms it means that there's not enough oil to keep modern society working, that it will collapse, that we're facing mass starvation and wars of extirmination.


@ Dave Dowman

Aside from the fact that you got everything wrong - gas was going to hit $4 anyway since China and India are growing independent of our actions in Iraq, and you have no way of knowing whether Iraq made, or will make, the situation worse or better - Well, there is no aside. You simply don't know what you're talking about, don't have the intelligence to remedy your deficiencies nor the wit to defend them.

"Aside from the fact that you got everything wrong - gas was going to hit $4 anyway since China and India are growing independent of our actions in Iraq, and you have no way of knowing whether Iraq made, or will make, the situation worse or better - Well, there is no aside."

So it was China and India's growing economy that caused oil to triple in price, but not instability in the Middle East? What AM radio station did you hear that on?

This might get my vote as the stupidest statement I've read on these boards.

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Luckily we aren't yet at the point where your preference for a dictator will be realized.

The market is at work. Fuel prices are rising, alternative forms of energy are being developed, the sales of SUVs is tanking -- the market can handle it. Europe has had much higher fuel prices for decades and Europeans are doing well, if you'd notice if you've had to buy Euros. The future will see alternative propulsion systems for cars, more solar energy devices, decreased use of monster motor homes, and other changes affecting the consumer. Nothing ever stays the same -- that's a constant. A dictator is not required for change to occur.

The only danger of "wars of extermination" comes from warmongers such as yourself who have exacerbated the current US economic problems and threaten to do more harm to the rest of the world.

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For all the talk by Obama supporters reassuring us rubes that Obama will speak to friend and foe alike, will dialogue with our enemies, find ways to bridge the gap between us and forget those old arguments that have divided us, Mrs. Clinton seems to be walking the walk, unafraid to meet with those enemies so willing to destroy her when they didn't know her, giving them the chance to apologize which some have done and then look to the future and what we must do to secure a place in the future.

Never once did she suggest a war, a worldwide war or a foreign policy based on militance and militant force. Of course, never once did anyone recognize that it took an immense amount of courage to put aside that hate and contempt she must feel for him and his newspaper, and go in that board room ready to answer any questions they dared to ask her, while maintaining her demeanor and calmness. It was something she had to do - she had to tamp down those feelings of humiliation, of resentment, of pain and anguish and hurt and hold her head up high, accept Scaife's apology to her and then move on to the discusion.

It is something that you very rarely see in politics, the dignity and the courage to meet your enemies head on and maintain your decency and dignity in doing so. It reminds me Of Al Gore attending the swearing in ceremony in 2000. Here we had a new administration who in compliance with the press had ruined his reputation by a relentless narrative that Gore was a liar, he was ambitious, he was a girly man, he sighed too much, that he exaggerated his roles in the Clinton administration, "that he would lick the bathroom floor to be president", he would say or do anything to win, he was corrupt, he'd do things the old way and on and on it went, with the so-called liberal press leading the way in this democratic party suicide by press with liberal leading journalists and pundits herding us into the stockyaards.

Mrs. Clinton is asked about three major problems facing the U.S. in the next decade and says we must deal with those problems and Taplin has us at war, which indicates nothing more than Taplin's lack of imagination and narrow world view that all problems we must solve are solved only by war.

If Mr. Taplin is calling himself the Manchurian Candidate he has caste himself well, he takes potshot after potshot at Mrs. Clinton just as he was trained to do by the press he apes and memes.

Hillary Clinton is the one who scoffed, during the debates, about the notion of meeting with one's enemies. She is just being her habitual lying two faced self.

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She met with Scaife because Pennsylvania is her do or die state. She has to win big here or she won't be able to sustain he campaign. Sad to say she's trolling for votes among Penna. Republicans and right wingers as a way to widen the number of votes she hopes to win by.

It was pure politics by Hillary.

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Hillary Clinton, like her husband before, is the best Republican candidate on the presidential ticket.
Nothing unusual to see here, move along.

@max w

So it was China and India's growing economy that caused oil to triple in price, but not instability in the Middle East?...This might get my vote as the stupidest statement I've read on these boards.


If you compare the rise in prices here and abroad it immediately becomes evident that much of that rise is due to the fall of the dollar. And much of that fall is due to the collapse of the housing bubble, the Fed's attempt to contain it, and fears about the future of our economy.

Those fears are further exacerbated by our massive debt to foreigners which, in turn, is due to our ever increasing appetite for cheap goods produced abroad - mainly in China. This trend has been a long time in the making and has recently accelerated dramatically.

The war has not helped - of course - but its effects are minor in comparison.


None of this should be allowed to obscure the major underlying - and very frightening - reality. We, and the world economy, are increasingly dependent on a decreasing - or soon to be decreasing - supply of oil

Between 1949 and 1956 Hubbard noticed that oil discovery had peaked in the '30s, that the new discovery curve was Bell shaped, and that by calculating the area under that curve he could pretty well estimate how much oil was available to be discovered and used.

Using that knowledge he was able to predict that oil production would peak in the continental United States about 1970 - and it did.

Using the same idea modern scientists and informed investors have predicted that a world production peak would occur just about now.

Meanwhile, China and India and much of the rest of the world are doing their best to emulate our lifestyle. What do you think will happen when everyone realizes it can't be done? That there's not enough oil to go around and no substitute for it is known?


Those fears are further exacerbated by our massive debt to foreigners which, in turn, is due to our ever increasing appetite for cheap goods produced abroad - mainly in China.

Um. no. Our massive debt to foreigners is due to the fact that they've bought our bonds, not because we consume their goods.

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lary Clinton, like her husband before, is the best Republican candidate on the presidential ticket.

Word.

And I used to defend Bill against that charge. No more - not after he spent a week talking up how awesome McCain is. And then she's getting endorsements from Scaiffe and talking up McCain herself - I give up.

Hillary smells blood in the form of bogus republican votes. but she'll take them even if they will revert to McCain votes in the general. Both her and Bill, who complemented Rush Limbaugh and shook his hand at a restaurant last week, will suck up for the "operation chaos" votes. Hey, those Limbaugh bogus votes in TX edged her over the top in popular votes there. She probably wouldn't even be in it if it weren't for her new BFFs.

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Hey, those Limbaugh bogus votes in TX edged her over the top in popular votes there. She probably wouldn't even be in it if it weren't for her new BFFs.


You got that right.

I'm from Texas and I know what I saw on primary night and they managed to cut in to those numbers with all kinds of tricks, including holding people up as they tried to get into their county and district conventions last weekend and making everyone wait while credentials were checked, challenged and had to be proven over and over.


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