The Alternative to Talking to Hamas -- The Worst War Yet

According to a report in Yedioth Achronoth this week, Israel’s Emergency Economic Administration has produced a report about what the next Arab-Israeli war will look like. The report comes at a time when Israeli military and intelligence circles are expecting some sort of Hezbollah attack in response to the assassination of its leader, Imad Mughniyeh on February 12th. The report describes a “reasonably grave” situation rather than a “worst case scenario.” But it’s quite bad enough.

The Emergency Economic Administration predicts that the next war would last a month. There would be “missile barrages hitting the greater Tel-Aviv area and other urban conglomerates, a total shut-down of Ben-Gurion Airport, roads bombed incessantly, nationwide power cuts for many hours and the collapse of the water supply. . . .”

This is not the Iran nuclear nightmare scenario, the realization of which requires a technological breakthrough. It is rather an attack that could happen right now.

So what is Israel doing about it? Certainly, the Israel Defense Forces is preparing to defend the country in the event of such an attack. Even more certain is that the IDF is capable of hitting back hard in response (Defense Minister Ehud Barak has made the issuing of dire threats, with references to Israel’s “long arm,” a specialty). The knowledge on the part of its enemies that Israel will respond strongly is itself a deterrent. And, as we see in this report, the government is working to mitigate the economic impact of the next war.

But neither the Israelis (nor their American allies) are doing very much to prevent it—although they do go through the motions. Vice President Cheney, for instance, said last week that a Palestinian state was “long overdue” and spoke about the need for “painful sacrifices” by Israelis and Palestinians to achieve it. But he also ruled out any change in U.S. policy toward Hamas. He insists that Hamas has to accept U.S. and Israeli demands before we accept its participation in a Palestinian unity government or a role in negotiations—demands Hamas has repeatedly rejected. How Cheney would achieve the “long overdue” establishment of a Palestinian state is a mystery.

The good news is that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has apparently reached an agreement with President Abbas on the key issues dividing Israel and the Palestinian Authority, including refugees and Jerusalem. Israeli and Palestinian sources say that the agreement meets the security and political needs of both sides. Not surprisingly, the tentative agreement tracks the so-called Clinton parameters, the plan President Clinton proposed in 2001 as his term in office was ending. After eight years and much bloodshed, mainstream Israelis and Palestinians are ready for it.

But they won’t have it unless the Palestinians establish a unity government, something the United States and Israel oppose. Both Washington and Jerusalem went out of their way this week to express indifference to the negotiations taking place in Yemen between the various Palestinian factions, indifference coupled with warnings to Abbas not to even think about a Palestinian unity government. By himself, however, Abbas cannot deliver the Palestinians—not when Gaza is under Hamas control. And Israelis won’t make the “painful sacrifices” Cheney alluded to unless they know that an agreement—whether on a cease-fire or on final status issues—is binding on Hamas as well as on Fatah.

For an agreement to work, all the relevant parties have to be included—not just the ones we think are lovely people. The problem with the Gaza withdrawal of 2005 was that it was unilateral. The Palestinians made no commitments when Israel left because they weren’t even consulted on the leaving. This is absurd. That is why Olmert and Abbas can’t move ahead with their agreement; it is unenforceable unless Hamas signs on.

During his recent visit to Washington, former Israeli Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben Ami made just that point to senior Bush administration officials and in his public appearances.

Ben Ami believes that U.S. and Israeli efforts to perpetuate the Hamas-Fatah split are utterly wrongheaded. He says that the United States and Israel must change their strategic objective in Gaza “from toppling Hamas to rescuing . . . the last chance for a two-state solution. This requires not only a cease-fire with Hamas, but also a return to a Palestinian national unity government . . . which can offer the peace process the vital legitimacy that it lacks today.”

Ben Ami believes that including Hamas in the negotiating process won’t harden Palestinian positions because even the Fatah moderates now negotiating with Israel cannot accept an “agreement that the extremists could label as a treacherous sell-out. Hence, the difference between the Palestinian positions in the current negotiations and those they may hold when a unity government is restored would only be very minor.”

In other words, it’s time to start dealing with reality. Hamas, like it or not, is reality. Isn’t it smarter to deal with it now rather than after the next war?


Comments (9)

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I don't understand is why The Alternative to Talking to Hamas is a war with Hezbollah. It makes no sense. Is it possible for to explain the linkage?



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Can you give us some background about the Emergency Economic Administration? Are they a reputable,reasonable and respected group? Or are they Israel's answer to the American Enterprise Institute?

I always get into trouble when I weigh in on this issue, but nothing like the trouble MJ gets into.

Hamas is a reality, you're right.

But you've also said in the past that Hamas is a reality that certain hardliners in Israel and in the US actively worked to turn into a reality.

Here's what I'd do -- I'd forgive a lot of unforgivable things that Hamas has done in favor of rehabilitating them into a force for good governance. It could be done. But along the way, every hardcore righty in the world would accuse you of "giving in to terrorism."

But I bet there's a way for adults to say "we don't endorse your past actions (and apologize for some of our own) but if we will work with you as a legitimate partner if you're, you know, not up for the whole apocalyptic war scenario thing because, um, that seems to be the other distinct possibility."

I know I'm oversimplifying and am probably offending a lot of people in the process, but I'm pretty damned sure I'm right about this.

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I wasn't going to say anything in this thread for the simple reason I agree completely with MJ's position and felt there was nothing to add. But to reinforce, Hamas must be included in the negotiations because if they are not these negotiations will fail for sure. This does not mean they will not fail in any case because the 'facts on the ground' are now so huge, it may be politically impossible for Israel to withdraw from the settlements. That is, it may already too late for a two state solution. If that is so then that only leaves a one state solution with civil liberties for all citizens or perpetual war.

Destor you need not worry about the ultra right accusing us of appeasing terrorism, for sure they will. But they will do the same when we withdraw from Iraq. Let us just hope that they will be so discredited by the Iraq fiasco, that they will be irrelevant.

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From Destor:But I bet there's a way for adults to say "we don't endorse your past actions (and apologize for some of our own) but if we will work with you as a legitimate partner if you're, you know, not up for the whole apocalyptic war scenario thing because, um, that seems to be the other distinct possibility."

I know I'm oversimplifying and am probably offending a lot of people in the process, but I'm pretty damned sure I'm right about this.
From Me:
You don't offend me, but you are more than oversimplyfying. Look, I think some of Israel's tactics and policies are both wrong and wrong-headed. But Hamas keeps saying that is wants a "war scenario," as it refuses to recognize the right of any sized Israel to exist.

It's priorities are not building an economy and real educational system in Gaza or the West Bank (i.e., formerly parts of Egypt and Jordan). Instead it sends terror rockets against civilian targets, and suicide/homicide bombers into schools.

Its education system fails to even mention the Holocaust (which is a relevant historical fact, although not a reason for the State of Israel). It promotes indoctrination of children with, for example, its kids tv shows (Martyr Mouse has been replaced with the Hamas Bunny which says it will "eat" the Jews.)

Hamas was elected with a minority of the party votes, and only for the parliament. Abbas is the elected PM. Let's not forget that Abbas was the paymaster of the attack on the Olympic athletes in 1972, and has proudly stated his history of terrorism. Israel's willingness to negotiate and accept Abbas is at least some demonstration of it being willing to forgive and move on.

Maybe Israel should talk to Hamas, but I can understand its reluctance if the Hamas agenda is basically how to destroy Israel.

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dcsmithe - Let me provide a different perspective. First, Hamas does recogognize the "entity" called Israel. It is willing to negotiate with it and provide a 50 year Hudna. That, by definition is recognition. Hamas rhetoric is no worse than you can hear at shul in the west bank settlements. If you want to hear blood curdling sentiments about annihilation of humans attend shul. I have many, many times.

There are hundreds of thousands of Jewish Israelis who do NOT recognize Palestinians or a Palestinian state. How is that materially different from Palestinians. I've heard Ze'ev Boim(Kadima Knesset Member and housing minister) tell the settlers point blank they will NEVER allow a real Palestinian state - only limited autonomy.

Gaza and the West bank were only affiliated with Egypt and Jordan for 19 years(1948-1967)out of a couple thousand year history of arabs in the lands.

Israel has done a very good job of telling the world about the Palestinian loathsome rhetoric but has carefully hidden the kind of talk that Jews utter, even in Synogogues. It is equally hideous. Please remember that Jewish textbooks don't show the Green Line or any Palestinian territory - it's all Israel.

The Palestinians used to be amoung the best educated of all arabs until the occupation. Gaza has been an open air prison for decades and NOTHING happened educationally or economically without Israel's approval. Commerce was especially difficult for palestinians to get approvals. Israel wants Palestinians as a source of cheap labor and customers - not commercial competitors.

Yes, Abbas has been a terrorist by US standards. However, notice the respect given the Stern Gang, Irgun etc by Israel regardless of the atrocities they committed. To the victors go the spoils as well as the right to write history. So Irgun becomes freedom fighters and the PLO - terrorists. My grandfather was Irgun from 1944 to 1947 and he was so traumitized by his activities that he left Israel forever.

This is a long way around to the point that Israel has to talk to Hamas if it ever wants peace and to maintain Israel as the Jewish homeland.

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Maybe you are correct that Israel has to talk to Hamas if it ever wants peace and to maintain Israel as the Jewish homeland. However your arguments are total nonsense. I don't know how Israel is able to carefully hide the kind of talk that Jews utter, even in Synagogues. But I doubt that they tell children every day to kill all Jews. Maybe there is a crazy place when people talk this way behind the closed door.
However, we are talking about official position of the government of Gaza, whose founding document proudly declares:
"fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them, and until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim or Servant of Allah there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree of Gharqad would not say it, for it is the tree of the Jews."

Maybe if Israel treated the Palestinians better there would be fewer Palestinians wanting to kill Jews? Hamas is a relatively new group, emerging in 1987 after 40 years of Israeli policies designed to disenfranchise Palestinians. If Israel continues such policies for another 40 years, who knows what kind of Palestinian groups will emerge. The oppressed hate their oppressors--what's new about that? The more the Israelis oppress, the more hatred they'll get. It's just the way things work.

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Maybe if Jews treated the Germans better there would be fewer Germans wanting to kill all Jews 70 years ago.
There were a many Arabs wanted to kill all Jews today as 40 years ago.

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