The Unvetted
Since the Democratic campaign has, inevitably, descended into a dreary verbal assault by the two campaigns, jazzed up by a bleary media's sporadic attention to unlucky hanger-ons who have gotten hung up on a phrase or two, it behooves we rational blog-friendly folks to list the Clinton assertions that seem to need some real vetting, because after all we want the election to be based on facts and reasonable discourse.
I will let someone else do the same for Obama's assertions.
Here goes:
1. Was Hillary in the White House years involved in national security discussions to the exclusion of the Vice President and the national security adviser? Can anyone name such occasions? If so, does she propose as President to involve her spouse to the exclusion of these other people? Or were the Vice President and national security advisers in the so-called red phone discussions with her? If so, does Tony Lake confirm that? Does anyone?
3. The Clintons suggest Obama should join their team as their Vice President. But if that's what they intend, then doesn't that mean he is qualified to be President? [On the other hand, why doesn't Obama simply and clearly rule out this role right now? They in fact never would put him on the ticket and in any case he would be mad to want that job.]
4. Will the Clintons admit that Obama is a god-fearing Christian and highly intelligent and clearly qualified to be President? As to all three of these things, yes or no? Their insinuations on these topics ought to be extinguished.
5. How can someone be vetted and tested if she has not released her tax returns or records of her time in the White House? How can her refusal to release this information not be taken as indication that massive wealth and dubious sources of income raise questions about the Clintons' character?
6. Has any delegate from Florida been fairly elected, in the view of the Cllintons? If they were not fairly elected, then how can the Clintons accept their votes? Haven't Democrats learned that unfair elections in Florida are not to be condoned?
7. How can the states Democrats will surely win this November matter more than the states that they need to win to get the electoral college and large Congressional majorities? Aren't the swing states by definition of greater tactical importance than the large deep blue states?
8. If the big states matter more than the small states, as the Clintons imply, then why don't the big states have more delegates than they do? How can the rules of apportioning delegates be deemed unfair when for the most part they were written by Clinton allies, weren't they?
9. The reporters all want Obama to make the sort of inaccurate, snide, snipy comments that the Clintons are now firing off daily. The reporters want this because the rapid exchange of mean allegations makes easy stories to write, and is as entertaining (and edifying) as, say, wrestling or any cable talk show. But why should this election turn on what reporters find easy and fun (for them) to write? Shouldn't it turn instead on what the candidates show about their character, their ethics, their integrity, and their aspirations?
10. The reporters have predicted wrongly and interpreted poorly most of the voting in most states. Most recently, they got Texas and Ohio wrong: in fact Obama closed the gap with Clinton substantially over the last two weeks, and the exit polls suggested he would run well in both states in November. It is Clinton who has not attracted a broad base of support in the states that have voted. Her appeal is narrowly based, and strongest where she has the support of long-time allies in the Democratic Party. That base's lack of breadth and national appeal is the principal reason for the Republican dominance over American politics since at least 1980. By contrast, the big story of the election is the wave of new voters who have poured into the Democratic column because of Obama; there is no evidence that the Clintons have attracted any new voters. So isn't it clear who would be the better nominee?
11. Isn't it clear that McCain's great strength for this fall is his appeal to moderate and independent voters, and isn't that best met by Obama, rather than Clinton, based on all the voting to date?

















On #5, both Bill and Hillary must release their tax returns and Bill needs to fess up about the contributions to his Presidential library. The Republicans aren't going to ignore Bill's shady history with Mark Rich, etc. If the Clintons don't choose to do this, they have every right to financial privacy but they don't have a right to a third term in the White House.
March 9, 2008 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
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#3. I agree, in fact he should probably offer to do the same for her with a smile on his face, and then drop it.
#5. Haven't they said they'd release them around April 15th?
#4. She did. The spin on that remark was shameless.
Where's #2?
It would be nice if some of these assertions were linked.
March 9, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
#5. Haven't they said they'd release them around April 15th?
Yes, but why the delay? This is about tax forms from previous years, so the April 15th release date is nothing but misdirection.
#4. She did. The spin on that remark was shameless.
She did not. She added all sorts of qualifiers, "as far as I know," etc. Her unwillingness to state plainly and without equivocation that Obama is a Christian was shameless.
March 9, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"#5. Haven't they said they'd release them around April 15th?"
That statement was waffling at best. She originally said she would not release them until after the nomination.
From WaPO:
"I've said that I'm going to release my tax returns when I'm the nominee," Ms. Clinton said at a forum this month. This is contrary to historical practice; Sen. John F. Kerry released his returns in December 2003, long before winning the nomination; Vice President Al Gore's returns, of course, were already public. More important, the refusal is unsupported by any rationale: If it's legitimate for voters to expect nominees to disclose their returns, why not primary candidates, especially at this winnowed stage of the process? Indeed, Ms. Clinton's refusal to release her returns is exactly contrary to her campaign's argument that Mr. Obama has not been "fully vetted," as campaign adviser Harold Ickes said Monday at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. When it comes to Ms. Clinton, Mr. Ickes said, "There's nothing left to vet." Really? Then show us the tax returns.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/26/AR2008022602829.html
March 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what do you think you'd learn from the tax return? Which form interests you the most? Which schedule do you think will be the most informative?
March 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well for starters, they may help to disprove accusations like these...
March 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
As you say in point seven, winning the swing states is tactically most important. To win the swing states, however, you need to appeal to swing voters (point 11). Obama seems to appeal to a large segment of wealthier and better-educated independent voters. Clinton, however, seems to appeal to working class Reagan Democrats and Hispanics. If the swing states have large populations of wealthier, educated independents, then Obama is the best choice. If the swing states have more Reagan Democrats, then Clinton may be stronger. It's a tough analysis, though, because McCain also is likely to have a strong appeal to both the independents and the Reagan Democrats. My guess, though, is that McCain may be more attractive to the Reagan Democrats than he is to the types of independents that would vote for Obama. But this is just my hunch and I have no polling data to back it up. Comparing the results of the two possible matchups--Clinton vs. McCain and Obama vs. McCain--in important swing states is what Democrats really need to do to determine which candidate gives them the best chance of taking the electoral college.
March 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good job, Reed. You've covered many important points. I assume on #8 that you mean the aggregate delegate total of large states vs. the aggregate delegate total of small states.
March 9, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed:
I think you made a lot of good points on a really important issue that will dominate the rest of the primary season - thanks for the post. Just to expand on your first point a little bit (and take it in a somewhat different direction): in 2002, Sen. Clinton stated rather forcefully that it was her experience during the time she was First Lady that led her to support the biggest foreign policy blunder in recent history. A point that is effectively captured in this "ad" that a friend emailed to me this morning:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwLaCb07lAs
It seems to me that experience is only valuable if it helps you exercise good judgment.
March 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Massive wealth and dubious sources of income? What are you talking about, Reed? Bill gets speaking fees, both got huge book advances and Bill did some consulting.
And what's wrong with the Clintons being rich? Isn't that just the same unfair attack that hurt John Edwards' campaign. If anyone earned the right to be rich, it's the Clintons.
It's a pity to see a man like you, whose career was made by the Clintons, sink to such depths. What'd they do to tick you off, cut you off their Christmas card list?
March 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do agree that the leap of logic (both sides) that is used when there is a lack of information is a rather deplorable argument.
But on the other hand - why the obfuscation? Why does she explicitly say "not until I am the nominee"? That is the question that is baffling to me. Now or later should not matter if there is nothing to hide.
Plus her BS line about her being too busy to get to it. As if she was going to be the one to "xerox" them and release them anyway. No one alive thinks that the Clintons (or anyone in their position) do things like that themselves. She makes it seem like she hand filled out her 1040A...
March 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
First off, she and Bill have pretty current financial disclosure forms that anyone can get online, so it's not like she's holding anything back. All the speaking fees and consultancy deals and book deals are in those forms for all the world to see.
As for holding back on her tax returns -- I dunno, how would you feel if you were her? Last time people wanted to see her tax returns they investigated both Clintons for 10 years on a money losing real estate deal. I don't blame her for telling Obama's supporters to go fish somewhere else for awhile.
March 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah but the Clinton camp tossed that bait in the water first by questioning Obama's returns. It is unfair to ask of her what she asked of Obama? You don't see a double standard in that destor?
March 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
That'd totally be a double standard. I don't remember that particular kerfuffle, though. Must have been a pretty minor question. In any event, he didn't have to release his returns just because she wanted him to.
March 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, she challenged Obama to release his tax forms and he did it. Then he challenged her to release her tax forms. She says she will, but lots of excuses, including "I'm kinda busy right now."
Your take on this:
1. Who can blame her for not relieasing her tax forms because everyone is so critical of her.
2. It's not HER fault that Obama released his tax forms just because she asked.
Gee, she's got that victim gig down pat, and you fall for it hook, line & sinker!
March 9, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's what would be a nice change of pace. Clinton will stop making vague accusations about Obama's relationship to Rezko without any evidence of corruption whatsoever.
Second, Obama can stop making vague accusations about what the Clinton's tax returns might hold.
However, the values of "transparency" and "accountability" must be upheld. Therefore, asking Obama to release records and answer some questions regarding Rezko is OK. By the same token, pressing the Clintons to release their tax returns, White House records and Library funders is well within bounds.
There. That wasn't so hard was it?
March 9, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find Reed Hundt's "vetting" questions for New York Senator You-Know-Her fine as far as they go. However, as a victim/veteran of the Nixon-Kissinger Fig Leaf Contingent (Vietnam 1970-1972), I personally consider the woman-in-question a privileged pretender in a pantsuit whose lack of meaningful exposure to the central trauma of our generation -- namely, America's unprovoked and dastardly war of aggression on all of Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos) -- her most singularly disqualifying attribute. She simply slept through the one life experience that should have led her to vote with twenty other Senators and over a hundred Congressmen against a stupid repetition of the same needless disaster in the Middle East. Had she exercised historic memory and due Separation-of-Powers diligence (and not cravenly capitulated to a known Texas cretin with an adolescent, stud-hamster hard-on for Saddam Hussein) she would now face no competition whatsoever for her Presidential ambitions. Her own choices -- in her one-and-only elected office "experience" -- define her down to the disrepute she deserves. She has only herself to blame for that. Thinking voters know a feckless fraud when they flee one.
Or, as I put it in verse during You-Know-Her's twelve-month-long cruise to coronation last year (until the voting started):
"An Ersatz Commander in Knickers"
Before a mirror now she stands
Saluting with her two left hands
"Commanding" like some jaded Joan of Arc
A warfare welfare mother slick
Another monkey on a stick
She gladly held the match that lit the spark
She clearly failed to look and see
The dwarf dyslexic chimpanzee
Who made baboons of her and Bubba Bill
Attacking those upon the left
Who saw through Dubya's lack of heft
She now sounds less a leader than a shill
In thrall to medals on the chest
Not nearly brightest nor the best
She signed off on a jingoistic jaunt
No judgment did she bring to bear
Emitting only heated air
Her bad decisions have returned to haunt
And now with knickers in a bunch
She lives to rue the fateful hunch
She followed on her first blind date with war
It seemed like such a little thing:
A rapt submission to a fling
That's left her used again like Dubya's whore
Yet unrepentant at the ease
With which war caused her brain to freeze
Our You-Know-Her wants us to make her queen
She's got this urge to have a go,
She'd like us all to truly know,
In spite of all that we have heard and seen
She now says she would like to fight
And not just pander to the right
She says the middle finger them she'll give
But calculating cons and pros
She tallies up the "yea"s and "no"s
And then displays a pinky as her shiv
It simply doesn't seem to work
This "centrist" mush served by a jerk
Who likes the times that buy men’s souls just fine
For having sold her own soul cheap
She now can utter not a peep
When voters choose someone more genuine
Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2007
March 9, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I still want to know what it is that the Clintons did to tick off Reed Hundt so badly... This vendetta just seems personal.
March 9, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
A possible motivation for Reed's turning on the Clintons is that Obama would likely nominate Reed's former Chief of Staff as head of the SEC, while Hillary would likely nominate a rival.
Wired In Washington
Making Connections
By David Hatch
6 February 2008
CongressDaily/A.M.
With the winnowing presidential field and the dust settling from Super Tuesday, the race is on -- for a new FCC chairman.
Election Day might be nine months away, but the jockeying to replace embattled agency chief Kevin Martin as the foremost regulator of the communications sector is reaching a fever pitch.
The candidates don't talk much about telecom and media issues on the hustings, but if you peek behind the scenes, you'll find plenty of past and present FCC officials and congressional staffers dispensing policy advice and/or bundling donations.
At least three previous FCC chairmen and one former commissioner are aiding various campaigns, not to mention the dozens of industry executives and lobbyists throwing their weight and money behind candidates.
Why are so many techies lending a hand? "The issues are much more prominent now than they were years ago," said Blair Levin, a telecom analyst at Stifel Nicolaus. He should know: as one of several Washingtonians informally guiding Illinois Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's team, his name has surfaced as a potential choice for FCC chairman. Levin served as chief of staff to Democratic FCC chief Reed Hundt from 1993 to 1997.
Martin's second term expires in 2011. Both Obama and his top rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., would replace him, and while a Republican might keep Martin on, it's assumed that an incoming GOP president would install his own chief.
So far, the candidate with the deepest bench of telecom and media gurus is Obama, who has attracted a who's who of Washington insiders. "They find him the most inspiring political candidate they've run into since they were kids," said a starry-eyed source raising money for the senator.
Julius Genachowski, whose extensive resume includes stints as chief counsel to Hundt and senior executive with Barry Diller's IAC/InterActiveCorp, is a top adviser who could easily step in to run the FCC. Some sources predicted he would take a high-level post elsewhere, perhaps the White House.
Karen Kornbluh, policy director on Obama's Senate staff and a key telecom and media adviser to the campaign, is often cited as a leading prospect for chairman.
During the Clinton administration, she was a top Treasury staffer and held several titles at the FCC.
Another possibility is Larry Strickling, previously the FCC's Common Carrier Bureau chief and now a full-time staffer on Obama's campaign team.
Democratic FCC regulator Jonathan Adelstein has close ties to individuals backing Obama, including former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., for whom Adelstein worked as a senior legislative aide.
Other supporters of the Illinois lawmaker include Hundt, his Democratic successor Bill Kennard and Don Gips, chief domestic policy adviser for former Vice President Al Gore, a former FCC official and a high-level executive at Level 3 Communications Inc.
Susan Ness, an FCC commissioner during Bill Clinton's presidency, is a strong backer of Hillary and widely viewed as the senator's top pick to head the agency. "I would think it's hers to lose," an industry source said.
The FCC's second Democrat, Michael Copps, often surfaces as a possible choice for chairman under either Clinton or Obama.
His office declined to comment. While his main political patron, former Sen. Ernest (Fritz) Hollings, D-S.C., is retired, Copps is popular among Democratic lawmakers.
But it's not just Democrats who have embraced the deep-pocketed tech community. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has several trusted advisers culled from his years running the Senate Commerce Committee.
Disney lobbyist Bill Bailey, Google Senior Policy Counsel Pablo Chavez, and FCC staffer Maureen McLaughlin are among the former McCain aides informally helping the campaign, sources said.
Bailey was a senior committee staffer from 2002 to 2004 when McCain helmed the Commerce panel. The senator even submitted his name for an FCC commissioner position and he's often cited these days as a frontrunner to replace Martin. Bailey insisted he's not angling for the job.
"I'm supporting him because I think he's the best candidate to become president of the United States -- not for any reason other than that," he said. McLaughlin is limited in her advisory role by a federal law that restricts the partisan political activity of government employees.
In a McCain administration, expect to see Cisco Chairman and CEO John Chambers named to a high-profile position -- perhaps Treasury secretary. The senator once joked that he might choose Chambers as his running mate.
Just last week, former FCC Chairman Michael Powell endorsed McCain, praising him for his "deep and principled understanding of how the digital revolution is transforming the social and economic landscape."
It's a little tougher to gauge whom former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney would choose to oversee the FCC because of his lack of Washington experience.
A key aide on telecom and other matters is Brian Leske, formerly an attorney at MCI, now part of Verizon Communications Inc.
GOP FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell has an outside shot at the chairmanship under a Republican president, though on the downside, his ally Senate Commerce ranking member Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, faces a tough re-election battle and is entangled in a federal corruption probe.
March 9, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The old politics of personal destruction again, eh destor?
Give it a rest.
March 9, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, it wouldn't hurt Reed Hundt's new company, Frontline Wireless any if he had a surrogate installed as chairman of the FCC, would it?
You call it the politics of personal destruction... I say it's the fight against corruption.
March 9, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm... Seems Hundt's company, Frontline, fell apart in January. The whole idea could really only work if he had a friend in charge at the FCC and Obama is most likely to appoint his chief of staff. Curious.
March 9, 2008 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe this explains why Hundt is so unappreciative of the big lift the Clintons gave to his career...
Former FCC Chairmen Backing Obama in '08; GOP Embracing Net
770 words
20 August 2007
Communications Daily
Volume 27; Issue 160
...""I'm mainly a Gore guy," Hundt said, referring to the fact that his FCC appointment, like Kennard's, was on former Vice President Al Gore's recommendation. So, though they served under President Bill Clinton, neither felt an obligation to the campaign of Sen. Hilary Clinton, D-N.Y. Gore had carved out expertise in technology and communications, Genachowski said, so it was natural for him to make the FCC appointments. As for the Obama campaign, Hundt said, "a lot of thought went into [technology] at the beginning of the campaign." That groundwork is paying off, said Genachowski, who helped craft initial policies."
Are you just angry that it was Gore, rather than your law school classmates, who thought you should chair the FCC?
March 9, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope whoever it is picks Copps or Adelstein. Those guys service to the public in the face of a hostile couple of heads deserves rewarding.
IMHO.
March 9, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's number two:
2. As to elected delegate counts: don't they matter? If yes, when did Obama obtain the lead and how long has he held it? Who won more in Texas? On what theory can we think that elected delegates don't reflect the will of the Democratic Parties of the different states?
And, no, folks, I have no axe to grind; Hillary would be a terrific President and all the folks mentioned would be great FCC chairs; Frontline didn't raise enough money and is irrelevant to this discussion; I just think it's time for a change in the Democratic Party and that Obama is the better choice; and, no, it's not easy for me to reach this conclusion given how much I admire, and how grateful I am to, the Clintons.
March 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I apologize for using the word "corruption" there Reed. That wasn't fair. But you're not acting like a guy who loves the Clintons but is an Obama supporter because it's "time for a change." One of the things that got me riled up in the first place is that you long ago crossed the line from Obama supporter to Clinton detractor. It's one thing to not support your friend's candidacy but you've been acting like one of those Clinton haters around here.
March 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reed makes perfectly reasonable arguments destor. How does making reasonable arguments make someone a "Hillary Hater"?
That's like labeling people who were against the war as "unpatriotic".
March 10, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
#4: The "god fearing Christian" smear presumably refers to Clinton's 60 Minutes interview. Media Matters has debunked it. (I know it was in Bob Herbert's column, but still--)
Now cue the Eric Boehlert as hominem attacks.
March 11, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
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