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Brooks and Krugman

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Are now two sides of the same counterfeit coin of bad political analysis, constant spin for their favorites (McCain and Clinton), faux analysis, and poor advice for voters and candidates. Just my view.


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But not you, Reed. Not you at all.

The pundits are out for HRC.
Brooks is wrong. Attacking HRC will not diminish his "transformational politics appeal." Negative campaigning works when it reinforces the electorates pre-existing perceptions of a candidate. About 50% of Americans think she is a self serving, arrogant, soul-less, unprincipled technocrat. They are right and Obama needs to remind them why they are right.

Krugman has deteriorated into a shrill mess. A real pity.

There is an assumption here that negative campaigning means personal smears. It doesn't. Obama needs to go negative by picking the low-hanging fruit of Hillary's vulnerability, and it has nothing to do with personal attacks. Hillary Clinton is vulnerable on the secrecy issue. She is vulnerable on the experience issue (the idea that she is "tested" is preposterous, and Obama should say so). She is vulnerable on the ethics issue.




What's interesting is whether, as David Brooks suggests, Obama risks a backlash by women if he goes seriously negative. My guess is that he does, in the same way blacks reacted negatively in South Carolina to attacks against Obama. Until South Carolina, Obama did not have the black vote locked up.

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I love it the way we liberals throw someone overboard when he or she doesn't hew to our every position.

Krugman is a great thinker and has done many great things for the liberal cause.

When comes out with a few controversial (to us) views, we ought to take the time to consider them--to see what he's up to.

To call him a "counterfeit coin" shows intellectual bankruptcy, frankly. It's a no-nothing position. Cowardly and easy.

Liberals are known for shifting as soon as the breeze changes direction, and this is a good example of it.

No wonder the Republicans are always able to make the case that we don't stand for anything...and don't stand behind anyone. They are going to coalesce around McCain following RR's golden rule. Meanwhile, we're busy throwing one of our great thinkers overboard because he had an unclean thought.

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Are you kidding?

Krugman who was a leading proponent of NAFTA, for Bill Clinton, an derided criticism that NAFTA's lack of enforced labor or environmental standards might be a problem.

Krugman who was a big cheerleader for ENRON and often praised their "new paradigm" of energy trading made possible by energy market deregulation, done by Reagan, and HWBush, and continued with enthusiasm by Bill Clinton, who was in office all through the ENRON rise and implosion.

Krugman who accepted $38K for "consulting" with ENRON during the time they were known to be rather generous towards friendly opinion makers.

Krugman who endorsed "Hillary Care" in 1992; a plan that despite a Democratic Congress, Democratic President, and widespread desire for healthcare reform, was so poorly conceived it was DOA and killed reform for 16 years.

Krugman who kept mum about the dotcom bubble inflated under Bill Clinton, his patron, and generally gave Greenspan good marks all while the bubble was inflating.

Krugman who kept mum while Bill Clinton was continuing finance deregulation which directly contributed to the Arthur Anderson scandal and many others, bought and sold by the same Finance Industry lobbyists as Republicans.

Krugman who was finally unchained by a Republican Administration and was allowed to bemoan the housing bubble in 2001ish and (finally) criticize Greenspan for that (second) bubble, predicting economic doom. Only, he quickly flip-flopped on that in the coming years and claimed the housing bubble wasn't so bad after all, right until it collapsed.

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Krugman represents the Clintons and generally the DLC types. Brooks and Kristol do the NRO + Neocons. Safire did Paleo-cons. They're all deliberately placed to be mouthpieces for various establishments.

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Really Reed. Do you really think that those of us who read your posts are that shallow? Look at yourself; you have just written a post based on the notion that Paul Krugman is the same as David Brooks. Reed, I know that we're in a heated election campaign, but please. Indeed, if you were really being genuine, wouldn't you include something about MoDo and Frank Rich and what they've been dishing out on a regular basis? You're making a political statement here, Reed, like everyone else. Please don't try and tell us you're doing anything else.

I don't really follow Brooks, but I have a lot of respect for Krugman. However, I have noticed that of late he's been shilling pretty hard for Clinton. I'm taking it with a grain of salt and I expect that we'll see the old Krug once the election is over.

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I understand where Krugman is coming from.

He did a couple of mild posts about how a mandate was better for healthcare, and the Obama campaign went after him with heavy duty oppo research.

What's more, they went after him with transparently inaccurate heavy duty oppo research.

It's led him to doubt their competence and honesty, which is an entirely reasonable response.

To all you Krguman defenders, I will remind you that he has explicitly stated that foreign policy does not enter into his analysis of who the best candidate is. And, like most Clinton defenders, he conveniently ignores her history and her record, and only looks at her campaign rhetoric, which suggests policies and values at odds with that record.

To ignore perhaps the most important asepct of a presidency, and to freely acknowledge that ignorance because it might get in the way of your desired conclusion, is dishonest in the extreme, and not worthy of a presumably principled academic.

Krugman is using his bully pulpit, and cashing in on his years of goodwill from liberals, to distort one candidate's record and ignore the shortcomings in another. That, my friends, is the very definition of a hack.

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Krugman's statement today that, "...Mr. Obama’s attempt to win over workers by portraying himself as a fierce critic of Nafta looked, and was, deeply insincere — an appearance particularly costly for a candidate who tries to seem above politics as usual" was probably written before the news came out that it was someone from Sen. Clinton's campaign, not Sen. Obama's, who warned the Canadians that her speeches about NAFTA should be understood as mere politics. This crucial reversal of the original story was widely disseminated yesterday. Why did the NT Times editors allow Krugman's statement to stand without the caveat that Sen. Clinton's claims were false? Moreover, whoever approached the Canadian gov't from the Clinton campaign certainly knew that Sen. Clinton's speeches and radio ads whacking Sen. Obama's insincere opposition to NAFTA were false. This person should no longer be working for the Clinton campaign. And if Sen. Clinton knew throughout that she was making a false charge, that it was her campaign that warned the Canadians, that would speak volumes about her character. Will Krugman, who prides himself on scholarly, factual analysis correct this false accusation that he has, to use Sen. Clinton's phrase, "Xeroxed" from the Clinton attack machine? Will he at least admit that he was bamboozled?

wrong.

Faux analysis! Wow that'll prompt Brooks and Krugman to stop their intelligent analysis and follow your insipid lead.

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Krugman's fairly mild statements about Obama are nothing to what the rest of the NYTimes editorial page has been writing about Hillary Clinton. And I say this as someone who thinks Hillary Clinton should bow out of the race now.

There are plenty of people who do not prefer Obama, and Krugman is one of them. But he has always said that both are light years preferable to McCain or any of the Republicans. Just because someone has a different preference doesn't make them a shill.

The NY Times have endorsed Hillary, so your entire premise is false.

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I'm sorry I was unclear. It's true the editorial page has endorsed Clinton, but their entire Op-Ed stable, aside from Krugman, has been fairly merciless in their open dislike of her.

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You miss the point by characterizing Krugman's comments as "fairly mild." He repeated a false charge, probably unwittingly, that it was Obama who displayed insincerity about NAFTA, when in fact it was Clinton who was being insincere. Furthermore, one of her aides was covering up the fact that these charges were false, allowing her to continue slandering Obama for something her campaign had done. And slander is the correct word here. The charge was false. Krugman, or his editors, should have known by the time of publication that Krugman was repeating a slanderous charge. I'm all for challenges to the candidates' stances. That's how we learn about their vulnerabilities. Slander doesn't help us make that decision. The Times, or Krugman, dropped the ball on this and should correct the error.

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I agree that he was wrong to repeat the NAFTA charge; I had not heard that he did. I live in Canada and that story is everywhere here.

I do not say that Krugman is infallible or incredibly wrong at times. I was responding to the idea that Krugman is a hack on the level of Brooks. I don't think he is. He would have a long way yet to fall to reach that level, in my opinion.

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I think most female Hillary Clinton supporters will realize that there are more important things at stake than whether the candidate is the right sex. Most Democratic female voters are concerned about the Supreme Court.

Obama has not and need not stoop to sexist remarks to fight Hillary Clinton. She is vulnerable on her stances on war and other Bush administration policies.

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Let's be real. Krugman is not the obverse of the Brook's coin as asserted by Reed Hundt. This is like Nader saying that repugs and dems are identical twins. It won't wash.

But Krugman needs to correct the impression that he may be willingly repeating Clinton's slander about Obama's insincerity on NAFTA. By now, Krugman should know that it was Clinton's campaign that was being insincere, and someone in her campaign was outright lying. By allowing his repetition of this slander to stand, he tarnishes his reputation for scholarly analysis.

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I also have had a high regard for Krugman, especially during the years when very few public voices spoke out against the odious and criminal policies of the Bush regime. And I thought a number of his criticisms of Obama were on target. But I do not understand, when one integrates over the whole of the two candidates policies, how the differences on health policies override all other considerations including her much more hawkish foreign policy. I think the Iraq war has added an incredible drag to our economy and to our ability to implement ANY health policy. If there was ever any doubt (and Clinton certainly tried her best to sow this doubt) her recent attacks on Obama for not being sufficiently warlike (as she and McCain are) make perfectly clear that she intends to continue albeit on a somewhat scaled down version the aggressive and costly and disastrous foreign policy of the Bush regime. In the end this will trump and stump any intentions she has for health policy were she elected.

and there goes reed hundt again. not even bothering with 'faux analysis' to shill for his candidate.

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After all the many wishy washy things Hundt has said, he's redeemed himself by that truth alone.

Neither of those two suck ups has a dime's worth of integrity or independence. Both are shills placed on the NYT to carry the water of their political camps. They will not only say, but believe, just about anything required for the job.

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