Granted the Harper govt might like to undermine Obama. But you're taking your eye off the ball (purposely?). The Canadian memo is what it is, and it certainly appears the Obama camp was saying one thing to the American public and another thing to a foreign govt. Not acceptable. Here, please read the following and get some perspective on this, as well as the Rezko mess:
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ttp://www.beachwoodreporter.com/politics/trade_and_tony.php

It's a repulsive statement from a repulsive candidate. Democrat or no Democrat, I will not vote for Hillary Clinton in a general election. I would have a year ago, but now I've watched up close the kind of campaign she's run, and I can't support her. If the Democratic party falls in line behind her after the garbage she's pulled, it deserves to have McCain in the White House.

So McCain wants to give up our sovereignty to Canada by allowing them to dictate our trade treaties. It sounds like he doesn't have the character to be president.

The statement reveals that the stereotype people have of the Clintons might have a substantial amount of truth to it.

Hillary Clinton has just demonstrated that she's interested in winning at any cost.

And if she succeeds, we'll probably be looking at President McCain and a Republican Congress in 2009.

Hillary can console herself that it was the nasty press that did her in.

Will Hillary Clinton do the impossible and make me sit out the 2008 general presidential election? (I could never actually vote for McCain). She is certainly giving it her best efforts. Since Hillary thinks McCain would be a great president why should we even bother to vote since, presumably, we should be indifferent to the outcome? And in this, as in so many other things, we see that Clinton wants to be president to serve only her own needs. Someone who cared about mine would never, ever, engage in this kind of destructive strategy.

It's only discomfiting to realize that Hillary and Bill say nice things about Reagan, if it's important that Dems be "revolted" by Obama's entirely correct acknowledgement that his presidency was more consequential. Let's stop finding reasons to be angry, HRC fans. Let go of her anger.

HRC fans, it's more important to find the next Clinton, the next leader to give us a fresh start, instead of the last one. She can't get to 50% in our primaries. It's time to let go. We are with you on the issues, HRC fans, but let's get after Johnny Mac and not intraparty squabbling.

Once I, too, would have certainly voted (and even donated some$) for Clinton in the GE but after the past 2-3 weeks I cannot justify that anymore. Arguments about appointing Supreme Court Justices, McCain=Bush, etc. can't sway me like they once did. The Democrats will indeed get what they deserve if Clinton's admitted "kitchen sink" tactics are accepted as par for the course when they are used against a fellow Democrat who isn't doing the same thing to her. Just b/c Obama might face similar crap in the GE is no excuse for Clinton to load, aim, and fire the Republicans' gun for them. There's vigorous, hard campaigning and then there's the Rove model that Clinton has decided to go with. It was wrong when Bush was doing it and it's wrong now.

My mild case of Clinton fatigue is swelling into a burning hot fever. Politics ain't beanbag, they say, but the scorched earth tactics are not likely to help her win the Dem nomination and they are likely to help McCain win the general.

By the way, I couldn't stand Reagan, but you have to be an absolute idiot to ignore his adept political style and ability to control the political discourse. Stop mischaracterizing Obama's statements on Reagan and Republicans. He's right and he's wise to learn from our political rivals.

10 reasons why HRC cant beat McCain-

1.If she smears him the way she did Obama he/repub hate machine will destroy her....why...read on.

2. the national defense narrative will not play...McCain has a 10 minute or so video about himself up on his site...VERY powerful...speaks to the swing voters on patriotism and american service.

3.He will get the senior vote...one of her cores..

4. 60% of african americans and other progressives will vote against HRC..all of the current clinton smear being thrown at obama will have clinton fingerprints in time...always happens.

5. They will remind voters again and again how the clinton machine smeared Obama in a racist, unamerican fashion...while mccain defended him.

6 Everytime the clinton's attack mccain in any fashion he will say "aw thats clinton double talk...my friends let me give you some straight talk"

7. Bill as a draft dodger will be an issue...mccain's son just got back from iraq...chelsea works for a hedge fund...lots of subprime work. also see number 2.

8. Lobbyist issue...hrc will fire away and mccain will pick up her past and bill's present and bang them over the head.

9. Osama bin laden and 911 will be hung around the clinton's neck...mccain will state that all 3k american lives could have been saved if bill would have killed osama when he had the chance, but he didnt b/c of impeachment....911 will be back and stronger than ever.see number 10.

10. The clinton's lied and were impeached the first time....what is bill doing in the white house at 3am? more family/leadership/honesty values.

powerful stuff...I have 10 more and so do the republicans....the general election starts after the conventions...essentially the first week in september...thus they will have a 10 or 11 week message calendar...impossible to overcome the above...she will be lucky to carry 10 states...polling in march means nothing in mid october.

Nobody is better at stealing a victory than the democrats...great that we have decided to destroy our own...it's not all the democrats fault...the progressive media has enabled HRC to smear obama with zero journalistic intregity, continually passing off clinton talking points as news and doing zero in the face of this racist unamerican onslaught....enabling the politics of hate in an attempt to once again replace the american agenda with the clinton agenda....what journalism award will progressive leaders get for this act of treason?

A Concerned Reader/Citizen
THJ

She really is going to make it difficult to vote for her if she makes it to the GE. But look at the delegate count -- the numbers are both driving Clinton to desperate tactics that are damaging the party, and driving McCain to focus dishonest attacks on Obama.

Being able to give a great speech has become an important way to measure and vote for a candidate, which I think is a kind of iffy way to do things, but it seems this is where we are today. Snake oil salesmen were also able to give a great speech.

Someone once asked me why I watch C-SPAN, I told them it allows me to see who my enemies are as I no longer have to rely on what they say, I can actually see what they do.

Well, nothing that I can find in her lifetime of experience leads me to beleive that she can repair the damage that she's creating within her party right now if she should take the nomination. She's jsut too personality disordered to have the political skill necessary to bury all these hatchets. There will be a substantial number of Dems who are too resentful too vote for her.

She's creating the perfect conditions for a McCain victory.

Personally, I think I'm okay with this as it seems likely that she's just going to carve away at the Democratic base of support that she'd need to beat McCain. Hopefully they'll decide to vote for Nader.

Then we can create a great narrative of political bigotry stating that, if Hillary hadn't been such a divisive bitch who stayed in the race solely to feed her egotistical thirst for power, then McCain wouldn't be president.

Can we all agree to call Hillary a spoiler in 2009?

Once again, the poster couple for narcissism, the Clintons, put themselves ahead of the party.

And the Democrats have only themselves to blame for if so many of us had not been in thrall of Bill, we'd have noticed that the pair's only objective throughout has been an outright takeover of those parts of the Party they do not already control - saying anything, doing anything, with anyone

When primary season began I liked all the candidates and would have voted for any one of them in November. I held high hopes that a strong Democratic party would destroy the Republican Right Wing. That was before Sen. Clinton's campaign became a Karl Rovian attack machine. I have watched her divide the Democratic party over the past few weeks, and now I fear it is the Democrtatic party that will be destroyed. If my choices in November are between her and that other Rovian candidate, I think I'll go directly to the Congressional races on my ballot.

Count me in as another Democrat who will vote Green if Clinton gets the nomination. Up until she started with her plagiarism meme, I certainly would have voted for her in the general if she defeated Obama in the primaries, but her increasingly shrill, below-the-belt attacks on him have made it impossible for me to support her, ever. It's clear that she and Bill would rather tear the party asunder if that's what it takes to win. Not that there's much left to the party anymore, as they get ready to cave to Bush yet again over telecom immunity.

We've pretty much become a country run by the corporate interests, for the corporate interests--the interests of anyone who isn't rich be damned.

Why are all you Cassandras giving up already? Obama hasn't lost yet. Clinton hasn't won yet (and neither has McCain). If this thing goes to PA and beyond, it's not the end of the world. If Obama can't withstand Clinton's slimming and counter attack in a way that cleans him of the muck while simultaneously setting Clinton back on her heels, then he deserves to lose. Believe it or not, she's not going to be his biggest challenge.

Wow, Bill Clinton endorsed Obama in 2004:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-fkoctaB18

None of this debate above matters unless Obama is able to convey this message to the larger electorate. Clinton has won the spin war this election. She has won the expectations game. She will play in the dirt whereas Obama has tried not to, and she's dragging his name through the mud.

The number of disaffected democrats isn't really that important, because, as we will see when HRC wins Ohio tonight -- blue collar dems dont give a fuck about how she wins. And, sorry to say, the number of poeple who are turned off her politics is small compared to the number of Americans who see her as "a fighter," "experienced," blah blah blah.

Obama's mistake thus far has been not to attack HRC on her perceived area of strength: experience. He's made tepid arguments here and there, but he needs to pick up sledgehammer and remind voters that: 1) most of what she claims counts as her experience was actually Bill's doing; she's blurring the lines to pull the wool over voters. 2) this campaign can't be about the DC establishment experience HRC touts because that experience took us into Iraq and is crippling our economy. 3) in spite of her claims to experience, HRC hasn't learned that secrecy and being non-transparent is not the way to win the confidence of voters.

Miki: I gather from your comment that you are a McCain supporter. Perhaps you could persuade us why he is the better candidate on trade issues?

Points of interest:
1. McCain attacked both Dem's on the same point.
2. From Obama's standpoint, the Canadian disclosure doesn't aggravate McCain's attack - it mitigates it.
3. Obama's campaign has been playing Tonya Harding against Clinton since July, and scorched-earth since November or earlier. What do you call "I’m Barack Obama, running for president and I approve this message ... Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected."?

I hope you found that equally revolting, and called him out on it.

With all due respect, Mr. Seaton, what is wrong with you? Have you really bought into the horse race histrionics to the point that you can't see the forest for the trees?

Hillary is in now way, shape, or form fighting for her life. Unless you know something I don't, her moldy little heart will continue to beat if she loses this race.

What she *is* doing is placing her personal ambitions above everything else despite the fact that she is running for the highest public office in the Nation.

You understand that distinction, don't you? Personal vs. public?

All she's doing is broadcasting loud and clear that she's too pathological at the personal level to be of any use at the public level.

I have never been a fan of Hillary's but, I've got to say the old girl is showing a lot of moxie. I like that. I'm taking a second look, because I like gutsy people.

I like gutsy people as well, but there's nothing gutsy about taking the sleaze trail instead of running on your own record. Hillary isn't fighting for her life--she's fighting for the presidential nomination and she's seems increasingly miffed that it wasn't just handed to her, that she has competition. Hence, the whining, the melodrama and the win-at-any-cost tactics. Sure, Obama will face the same and worse in the general, but I expect a little bit better from one of our own.

If Hillary manages to win the nomination, she'll lose to McCain in November because of the tremendous negatives she already carries, and the new load of negatives she's building up by her scorched earth tactics in this campaign. When, as the candidate Republicans love to hate, you start turning off a lot of loyal Democrats, you have real problems. I can't imagine the black vote coming out for Hillary in large numbers given the way she's treated Obama, let alone the youth vote. McCain already has greater appeal to independents than she has, and she sure can't play the experience card against him. And I doubt whining about how the media like him better and playing the sexism/victim card is going to do much for her in the general election.

In her pursuit of a reputation replete with testosterone, the kind of stuff that would make her more acceptable to all those blood-guzzling, war-loving folk who inhabit our remarkably Teutonic nation - the Cheneys, the Bushes, the neocons, you name ‘em - Hillary Clinton either really believes in her Bush-enabling war votes or simply pretends to. It’s just as bad either way, far as I’m concerned, like McCain’s remarkable turnaround on torture. Whether he’s playing prostitute or really believes it, he’s still coated himself with El Latrine # 7 and stinks accordingly. For all her heartfelt concern over the hurting little people and the neglect of our poor wounded veterans, those whom she helped place in harm’s way, she reminds me more of Margaret Thatcher than of Florence Nightingale even though I suspect she’s less honest than England’s Iron Maiden.