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Joe Stiglitz is one of the smartest economists in this country. He used to be Chief Economist of the World Bank. Yesterday in London he said that the total cost of the War in Iraq would be close to $3 trillion. You will remember that when former Bush Economist Larry Lindsay said the War would cost $200 billion, they fired him. Joe's most important point is that the credit crisis that is dragging us into an ugly recession is directly traced to the war needs.

The spending on Iraq was a hidden cause of the current credit crunch because the US central bank responded to the massive financial drain of the war by flooding the American economy with cheap credit.

"The regulators were looking the other way and money was being lent to anybody this side of a life-support system," he said.

That led to a housing bubble and a consumption boom, and the fallout was plunging the US economy into recession and saddling the next US president with the biggest budget deficit in history, he said.

This should be one of the key linkages and themes for Democrats in the fall.


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Anyone who makes that link had better be serious about amssive tropp withdrawals by the end of their first year. Now, that's 2010, so it's hardly unreasonable. But if you run saying that the war caused the credit crunch then you have to quickly solve the war in order to solve the economic problems.

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The system can accomodate almost any amount of red ink by simply letting sovereign wealth funds and foreign billionaires recycle petro or fair trade profits into ownership of US assets and cheapening of the US dollar. So get ready for a wider, worse war.

All Bush or Israel has to do to prolong and worsen the war in Iraq is to goad Iran into retaliation by a campaign of air strikes against it. I believe this will happen starting after the party conventions in September. Obama, like Clinton, has voted for every war funding bill. When Bush then sounds an alarm that Iran is attacking our troops, whether true or not, whoever the Democrat nominee may be will have the same excuse as McCain for continuing the Middle East Crusade. (I'm putting my spare pennies into oil and gold stocks.)

The only nonviolent way I can think of for Americans to avoid this is for voters, in mass numbers, after their primaries, to de-register from the Republican and Democratic parties, stop supporting them with money, refuse to tell pollsters how they are leaning and make clear to these conniving parties that deepening and worsening the war is unacceptable.

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I'm a big fan of Stiglitz and always enjoy his anti-Chicago School jeremiads -- but this time, he's nuts!

1. It wasn't the Fed that flooded the American economy with cheap credit; it was a world awash with cash looking for a home and reaching for yield that found that American consumers can be counted on to shop till they drop.

2. There is no "current credit crunch." There is a current fear of insolvency due to a lack of transparency in the "shadow banking system." The world is still awash in money and anyone who has a reasonable business model or reasonable prospects of repaying the loan is having no difficulty getting credit.

It's a new world, Joe! For so long as these old, doddering economists keep seeing the Fed as it was in 1980, we're never going to solve our problems.

The Iraq War turned out to be just an extension of the Bush tax cuts. Huge "No Bid" contracts to Friends of Bush/Cheney with no accountability for performance or oversight. The biggest, boldest corporate welfare program "evah" as we say in Boston.

The US government massive borrowing is crowding-out others in the market.

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Ellen- We have an insolvency crisis not a confidence crisis. Check out Roubini.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/246724

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Ellen said: "There is no "current credit crunch." There is a current fear of insolvency . . . ."

Jon said: "Ellen- We have an insolvency crisis not a confidence crisis."

Sorry, Jon? It's not an "insolvency crisis" until someone important goes belly up. Till then, it's a confidence crisis.

By the way, Roubini, whom I've read for years, is an outsider and wouldn't know who is or isn't "insolvent." He's in WAG territory just like everybody else -- wherefore, "confidence crisis" is what we've got.

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This should be one of the key linkages and themes for Democrats in the fall.

The Dems, including their presidential contenders, have continually voted for every bloated Pentagon budget, including those for war. Why would they suddenly say they were wrong to vote these budgets? They've now seen the light, realize the error of their ways, admit that excessive spending has been bad for the economy and promise to correct their behavior? Sure. When pigs fly.

Obama and Clinton want to expand the military and modernize its equipment, which will be expensive. This, at a time when the United States is not threatened by any military force.

The sunk cost of the wars justifies the sending of more money down the rathole, otherwise our troops have died in vain, the story goes. This is under the present essentially steady-state conditions of the contested occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. A significant change in the situation for the worse, in any way, which has a high probability of happening given the wrongness of US policies, would "justify" even more, not less, spending.

There is no hope.

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Stiglitz really doesn't pass the laugh test on this one. The housing bubble created $8 trillion of housing bubble wealth. Spending $150 billion a year on the war didn't get us there and you have to do tell some pretty nutty stories to try make this argument work.

Stiglitz is a smart guy and a great economist, but this one doesn't make sense.

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But Dean,

Isn't it true that the war has made it difficult for us, either practically or politically, to spend money domestically that might have been used for homeowner bailouts or just to strengthen the social safety net during tough times? Seems as if we could have the trillion spent in Iraq back that we could put it to very good domestic use right now.

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we could have done a lot better things with our money than invade Iraq. But trying to blame Iraq for the housing bubble which is now collapsing just doesn't make any sense. The bubble preceded the war (I was writing about it in the summer of 02) and, if anything, the war probably slowed the run-up by raising interest rates.

The war sucks and it is bad for the economy, but this is really shoving a square peg in a round hole, it just doesn't fit.

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Dean- You can't deny the Fed was in favor of easy money during most of Greenspan's tenure and that helped keepo the borrowing costs for the war fairly low. It also helped inflate the housing bubble you warned about. And of course Helicopter Ben is pursuing the same policies of flooding the system with easy money.

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Jon,

the economy was flat on its back in 2002 and 2003 because of the collapse of the stock bubble. This is why Greenspan pushed borrowing cost to 50 year lows. He was trying to boost the economy. As I said, if anything, the war spending pushed in the other direction.

I'm sorry this one just doesn't make any sense. It's like saying that someone froze to death in a fire. Insofar as the war affected the economy, it raised interest rates, thereby slowing the growth of the housing bubble. You have do some huge logical cartwheels to get this to go the other way.

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George Bush nailed it:
". . .the spending on the war might help with jobs . . .I think this economy is down because we built too many houses."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/02/19/BL2008021901527_pf.html

And they say economics is complicated. Sometimes it takes a C student frat boy to clarify things for an MIT PhD. War is good, housing is bad. More war and fewer houses -- that'll work.

“Helicopter Ben” responds:

“Of course, the ‘helicopter drop’ metaphor is purely a pedagogic device to help explain money’s role in the economy, not a practical policy tool.”

Ben Bernanke

Back when we anticipated surpluses as far as Ellen's eye can see, Alan Greenspan was worried. He was worried that the entire public portion of debt would be repaid, leaving the Fed without the policy tools long found in treasury securities. A study was commenced on possible replacement candidates, inclusive of corporate bonds, state bonds, municipal bonds, mortgage securities and equity securities. Injections of liquidity, most especially when performed through a variety of avenues, was called a “money rain.” But then, the surplus disappeared for deficits and the theoretical contingencies became mute.

The subprime mortgage problem encompasses mortgage securities and linked derivative instruments, which has likely rendered bank telephone lines around the globe hot. There’s likely a mad dash to ascertain each series of linked securities. Something like identifying a line of dominos, then somehow dealing with the lot. Before this is over the Fed may have to radically alter the type of securities accepted at the discount window, and make full use of what once was mere theory.

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If Roubini's correct -- and the WSJ's Greg Ip is implying he is -- the money is already raining down:

“The widespread use of the FHLB system to provide liquidity — but more clearly bail out insolvent mortgage lenders — has been outright reckless. Countrywide alone . . . received a $51 billion loan from this semi-public system . . . A system that usually provides a lending stock of about $150 billion has forked out loans amounting to over $750 billion in the last year with very little oversight of such staggering lending.”

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He and his co-author of their new book

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-Conflict/dp/0393067017/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204366188&sr=8-1

were on Democracy Now! today

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Trillion-Dollar-War-Conflict/dp/0393067017/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204366188&sr=8-1

and the argument is much more nuanced than can be presented in a blog post (or even a radio segment, I suppose).

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The spending on Iraq was a hidden cause of the current credit crunch because the US central bank responded to the massive financial drain of the war by flooding the American economy with cheap credit.

Wow - you've been listening to Ron Paul (which is a good thing, by the way).

the economy was flat on its back in 2002 and 2003 because of the collapse of the stock bubble. This is why Greenspan pushed borrowing cost to 50 year lows. He was trying to boost the economy.

Which, of course,just delayed the coming depression and will make it worse when it comes.

As I said, if anything, the war spending pushed in the other direction.

Only if we assume ceteris paribus (all else being equal). It is not unreasonable to think that the war did not push the Fed even further in interest rate cuts than it would have gone without the war.

Re: The spending on Iraq was a hidden cause of the current credit crunch because the US central bank responded to the massive financial drain of the war by flooding the American economy with cheap credit.

This isn't right. The Fed's drastic lowering of the interest rate occured immediately after 9-11, a year and a half before the Iraq War began. It was during the Iraq War that the Fed began bumping interest rates back up again. It makes more sense to tie 9-11 to the credit crisis than Iraq.

These things don’t seem to end until you have a major failure, like Continental Illinois National Bank was to the savings and loan fiasco. Usually it’s the institution whose corporate culture most represents the mania. I wonder what kind of securities the Fed may be pulling in. Some institutions have declared derivative losses, so the identification of linkage and common write offs may still be ongoing. The total write downs thus far are estimated to be around $200 billion, with total losses estimated as high as $600 billion, as the money rain continues. Like you said, it still appears to be a confidence crisis, the good thing being that over time, liquidity can increase simply because nobody is dealing. Also, financial institutions in sound condition love the opportunity to take write downs on any kind of paper that appears even remotely suspect. If no major failure occurs, and we muddle through, the financial engineers are going to be writing a lot of books about this one.

You=Ellen,(like Ellen said) The reply function, just like some linked derivatives, appears to have gone up in smoke.

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I wrote a much longer post on this on my own blog this morning.
http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/swimming-naked-when-the-tide-goes-out/

Good post, Jon (love the metaphor of 'swimming naked when the tide goes out'). Let's just remember that the $3 Trillion is just for Iraq, and doesn't begin to cover the engorged military spending binge we've been on during the Bush years, not to mention the 'black budget.'

We are being bled by the MIC--is it time to nationalize?

Check out this political cartoon from 1922... see how the Brits felt about their 44 year occupation of Iraq

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/blast-from-the.html

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