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A Quick History Lesson

No, let's not "recreate '68."

In 1968, the leadership of the Democratic Party was strongly in favor of (like, in the process of prosecuting) the war in Vietnam. Today, the leadership of the party (despite some past errors) is strongly opposed to the war and in favor of withdrawal.

If you're an anti-war protester, this should not be an insignificant distinction.


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You can say that again. :-)

Most forget that Dr. King took a great deal of punishment for opposing the Vietnam War while the revered JFK was the instigator of an expanded war and the establishment of death squads.

For once the peaceniks look set do in the hawks in November.

A new day is dawning in lots of ways.

Best, Terry

Organizers acknowledge that their “Re-create ’68” moniker has been met with skepticism as they’ve toured the country to gin up support among fellow activists. “A lot of people of course associate it with the DNC of ’68 and react negatively,” said organizer Mark Cohen. But the point, Cohen said, isn’t to reproduce the violence associated with the 1968 convention, just the strong sense of countercultural protest that coalesced against the Vietnam War. “We don’t call ourselves ‘Re-create Chicago ’68,’” Cohen offered.

In other words,

"We're politically tone deaf nitwits, who didn't really think this thing through clearly, but have mindlessly settled on the idea that it would better to divide and discredit the flawed, but significantly less bad, party rather than the truly rotten and murderous party that actually started the Iraq war and does the most every day to sustain it."

"And we do this because we have some half-baked and childishly romantic images rattling around in our heads about the "spirit of '68", and we would rather have John McCain elected president that forego the opportunity for some self-indulgent sixties-infused retro-fun. You know, 'Hey, hey, LBJ' and all that cool stuff."

"Since most of us are too busy with impotent street carnivals to read books, we didn't realize that it made sense to protest the Democratic convention in 1968 because Democratic presidents had been responsible for starting, escalating and continuing the Vietnam war; and we didn't stop to think that this war was actually started and run by a Republican, and so that perhaps their freaking convention would be a more appropriate spot for our outing. Whatever."

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You might want to check out Robert Reich's take on this same idea:

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-america-turning-left.html

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FredC,

Good to have Robert Reich's take but the Democrats turned right in 1960 with the nomination and election of John F. Kennedy.

Kennedy ran to the right of Nixon. He not only worried about the imaginary missile gap but promised what the clandestine death squads in South Vietnam. "The Wall" in D.C. is a tribute to JFK's folly more than anyone else.

the Humphrey, who had been the only hope, for shooting down the hawk in the primaries, became a lap dog for LBJ, promoting the war. Humphrey dared not run against McCarthy, who had already been badly wounded by another Kennedy. That gave us Nixon, who actually did some great things. Ending the Cold War was not so bad but it would have been nice to have ended the Vietnam War without "honor."

Obama is not the perfect dream candidate but it's difficult to find one who offers more change at the outset since Abraham Lincoln. I purposely left out the like of FDR, who actually proposed a rightwing agenda in his first election and Teddy Roosevelt, who ascended to the presidency through death of the president to the consternation of the Republicans and Democrats alike.

Best, Terry

Well, I will be extremely surprised if the leadership does anything much differently than they have since 2003, i.e., cave in to the right on the war.

With all due respect Andrew, what evidence is there for saying that the leadership of the Democratic Party is strongly opposed to the illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq they wholeheartedly supported from the moment Bush proposed it and who have made not even one effective gesture in stopping it since it became unpopular? Words don't cut it for me anymore.

You see, I don't think they really are opposed to the war at all Andrew and this can be determined by what they have done to end it (nothing at all) versus what they say about their opposition to it. This is where the Republicans' message resonates with thepublic because what seems clear about the Democratic leadership if nothing else is that they really don't have any convictions at all. They are all in favor of illegal wars if they think it's popular and opposed if unpopular. They check any set of principles at the door.

Frankly, I think a damn good case can be made for another 1968. The phenomenal hypocrisy and cowardice of the Democratic leadership will never end the war if they are not pressed to do so. Every time a right winger looks askance at Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi their impotence and lack of resolve become very apparent.

And ya know what? Not only should they be backed up against the wall on their inexcusable support for the war, but they should be pressed extremely hard about national health care and funding programs that will help people get out and stay out of poverty---all of which could be funded by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy and powerful and cutting the sickeningly obscene "defense" budget.

Hey, it's so great that these demonstrations will bring an end to the war, a routing of the Blue Dog Democrats, universal health care and poverty programs! Sign me up -- and Humphrey and his war machine are goin' down!

Michael,

Just popping in to say how much I miss your Jamie posts. Hope all is well with you and yours. Oh...and love the irony above!

Love.

Yep, you sure have the common wisdom down!

Whatever we do, let's not put any pressure on the Democratic liars and enablers who cave in to Republican/corporate demands on a routine basis in Washington while promising us peace, jobs, and social supports to blunt the shortcomings of our economic system. 1968 was more than a police riot in Chicago and Bobby Kennedy did more to derail HHH and divide the Democratic Party than the Chicago 7.

Personally, I prefer Howard Zinn's wisdom as can be found on Truthout's website right now. He writes in part:

"Today, we can be sure that the Democratic Party, unless it faces a popular upsurge, will not move off center. The two leading Presidential candidates have made it clear that if elected, they will not bring an immediate end to the Iraq War, or institute a system of free health care for all.

They offer no radical change from the status quo.

They do not propose what the present desperation of people cries out for: a government guarantee of jobs to everyone who needs one, a minimum income for every household, housing relief to everyone who faces eviction or foreclosure.

They do not suggest the deep cuts in the military budget or the radical changes in the tax system that would free billions, even trillions, for social programs to transform the way we live.

None of this should surprise us. The Democratic Party has broken with its historic conservatism, its pandering to the rich, its predilection for war, only when it has encountered rebellion from below, as in the Thirties and the Sixties. We should not expect that a victory at the ballot box in November will even begin to budge the nation from its twin fundamental illnesses: capitalist greed and militarism."

Yep, you sure have the common wisdom down. Now that you've quoted Howard Zinn, would you mind sparing a few minutes explaining how these demonstrations are going to usher in a government guarantee of jobs to everyone who needs one, a minimum income for every household, housing relief to everyone who faces eviction or foreclosure, and deep cuts in the military budget or the radical changes in the tax system that would free billions, even trillions, for social programs to transform the way we live? 'Cause that would be great.

For the (historical) record, Zinn is right about the thirties, and quite wrong about the sixties. But let's not let that stop the old folks from having their '68 reunion! Really, I think the '68ers and the Brokawian-Broderian DFH-phobes in the MSM have become a closed and symbiotic system. The two groups produce and feed off each other endlessly.

What precisely did Zinn say about the Sixties that you think is wrong?

Here, he's blurring the distinction between the racial realignment of the parties brought on by the Civil Rights Movement (which did indeed commit the Democratic Party to the cause of racial justice, and, as LBJ predicted, lost the South for a generation) and the New Left (which had a much more tangential relation to party politics, and whose lasting effect on the Democratic Party was to give us a generation of centrists determined never to nominate a good man like George McGovern again).

Let's see now. We don't want a true anti-war candidate to run because that would weaken the Dems, and we don't want to protest the Dem Convention for the same reason -- what CAN we do?

R-68 is just in its formative stages. Basically they want to re-create the feeling of "power to the people" that existed in 1968. The need for this, as in 1968, is the mis-representation of Democratic constituents by their party leaders.

What is more important, the success of the Democtratic Party or the welfare of Americans? As R-68 states: "The parties were devised as a means to represent the people. Today they represent nobody, not even party members, but only party bureacracy. The people have been left without appropriate institutions for their representation. We intend to create those institutes!"

Even though Todd Gitlin, the self-proclaimed "big tent" Democrat, is against the idea, I think it might be a good thing. Give them a chance.

http://recreate68.org/

Let's see now. We don't want a true anti-war candidate to run because that would weaken the Dems, and we don't want to protest the Dem Convention for the same reason -- what CAN we do?

R-68 is just in its formative stages. Basically they want to re-create the feeling of "power to the people" that existed in 1968. The need for this, as in 1968, is the mis-representation of Democratic constituents by their party leaders.

What is more important, the success of the Democratic Party or the welfare of Americans? As R-68 states: "The parties were devised as a means to represent the people. Today they represent nobody, not even party members, but only party bureaucracy. The people have been left without appropriate institutions for their representation. We intend to create those institutes!"

Even though Todd Gitlin, the self-proclaimed "big tent" Democrat, is against the idea, I think it might be a good thing. Give them a chance.

http://recreate68.org/

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"Basically they want to re-create the feeling of "power to the people" that existed in 1968."

Yeah, right. It sounds to me like some Democrats are just desperately searching for a way they can lose this election.

I remember 1968, and I sure as hell don't want it back again!

On the other hand, antiwar protestors at the Democratic convention might make the Democrat's position on the war seem more moderate to those who don't like the Iraq War but who are loathe to be seen as anti-military. (i.e., hey, we're against the war for pragmatic reasons, we're not like those idealistic hippies at the protests).

In any case, as an antiwar conservative, I am going to do all I can to get people to vote for an antiwar conservative third part candidate (probably in the Constitution Party).

Perhaps the Democrats should spend some time not just trying to unite the Democratic vote but trying to split the conservative vote. With Nukem McAmnesty as the nominee, it should not be too hard.

I don't see the leading Democrats as being strongly anti-war. The talk is of removing "combat troops" which would leave many troops in Iraq. I don't hear enough about those permanent bases we're building. I don't hear enough about our use of air power and the destruction it's causing. I'll take the Dems over the Republicans but I don't expect any major breakthrough in the area of reigning in the influence of the military-industrial complex.

Pardon me, but I'll take Howard Zinn's word over anyone's in a heartbeat, particularly anyone foolish enough to say he is wrong about the sixties. I doubt that there is anyone living who knows more about that subject and whose perspective is more sound. I know Howard Zinn. I know what he's seen and what he's done. He isn't someone who has simply been an observer with an opinion. You're no Howard Zinn. Not even in the same league.

Well, that certainly showed me how these demonstrations will work! Touché, my good man!

Yes, you've definitely got the common wisdom down. Enjoy your '68.

Your snark about someone whose shoes you aren't fit to shine if offensive.

Oh, and hey, while we're talkin' 'bout Howard Zinn: I enjoy and admire much of his work. But you really should go back over your copy of A People's History and see what he says about the 1963 March. He doesn't think very much of it -- and why? Because he takes Malcolm X's account of it, hook, line, and sinker. Malcolm, of course, had nothing to do with the march, and for all his gifts, didn't know the first thing about organizing a mass movement. So it's a bit opportunistic for Zinn to be citing "rebellion from below" now, after dismissing the single biggest and most important demonstration of the decade.

Just looked at my paperback copy of Zinn's A PEOPLE'S HISTORY pages 456 to 458. I would say Zinn's analysis of the efficacy of the 1963 March is much more complex than your summary of it makes it seem.

"Here..."

Where's "here"? What specific quote are you talking about?

"Here," abovethread, means "in Zinn's Truthout essay, which was cited as the definitive explanation for Why It Is A Good Idea to Re-create '68."

And now that you've got your copy of A People's History open to the correct pages, can you explain to me precisely how Zinn's account is more complex than I've made it seem? We have a lot of space here -- it's the Internets. Be sure to address the question (since it was the only one I raised) of whether Zinn relies on Malcolm's dismissive account of the march.

Sure. What Zinn was talking that the "deep fervor and quiet dignity" (JFK's) words of the 1963 march was "closer to the mood of the black community" than the militant language of Malcolm X. He goes on to say that the violence that breaks out in 1964 & 65 in the black community is strong evidence that the rage that Malcolm X exploded with in his speech demening the marchers reflected this mood more than King's reasoned approach. I don't see how this justifies saying Zinn misinterprets the Sixties. It also doesn't justify saying that Zinn relies on Malcolm X's account of the march. What Zinn is using as evidence is the rioting that took place in cities like Philadelphia where I lived then and now.

Since I can't edit I can't change lines one & two above to read "What Zinn was talking about was if the 'deep fervor and quiet dignity' (JFK's words)...". Also "demeaning" is the correct spelling not "demening".
But I assume you get the point.

Are you talking about Ryan Grim's piece in Politico? Maybe I'm blind but I don't see any Zinn essay cited in Grim's piece.

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Who the hell would want to re-create 1968? The Democratic party split three ways. Racist white Dems followed George Wallace, pro-war advocates followed
the not so pro-war Humphrey and the anti-war contingent went into the McCarthy and then RFK camps. All the Abbie Hoffmans and Tom Haydens managed to accomplish was inadvertently getting Nixon elected.

According to Seymour Hersh's book on Kissinger the large number of protestors helped Kissinger convince Nixon not to use nukes in Vietnam, although obviously that was after 1968.

Here's Malcolm on the march (qtd. by Zinn, 458): "This is what they [the Kennedy administration] did with the march on Washington. They joined it . . . became part of it, took it over. And as they took it over, it lost its militancy. It ceased to be angry, it ceased to be hot, it ceased to be uncompromising. Why, it even ceased to be a march. It became a picnic, a circus. Nothing but a circus, with clowns and all. . . . No, it was a sellout. A takeover. They controlled it so tight, they told those Negroes what time to hit town, where to stop, what signs to carry, what song to sing, what speeches they could make, and what speech they couldn't make, and then told them to get out of town by sundown."

This is, begging your pardon, horseshit -- some really unfortunate and opportunistic sniping on Malcolm's part. And Zinn follows it with: "The accuracy of Malcolm X's caustic description of the march on Washington is corroborated in the description from the other side." But then the "corroboration" turns out to be a brief discussion of how Arthur Schlesinger and JFK tried to "incorporate the Negro revolution into the democratic coalition." Not a discussion of how Massa told the marchers what to do and when to do it.

And this speaks to a much larger problem with Zinn's account of recent history. Every time the Democratic Party made a move to respond to and "incorporate" mass revolt, Zinn construes it not as success of a mass movement but as its failure, as "selling out" and getting "taken over." So it's a little weird to hear him today talking about how the Democrats responded sympathetically to the mass movements of the Sixties.

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-- Every time the Democratic Party made a move to respond to and "incorporate" mass revolt, Zinn construes it not as success of a mass movement but as its failure, as "selling out" and getting "taken over." --

As I mentioned before, some Democrats - not many, I hope - seem determined to lose in November. I tend to think it's the 'romance' of being a revolutionary, a rebel. It's not nearly as much fun for these types to achieve power, since then they're looking at hard work.

I, for one, do NOT want 1968 back again! No way, no how.

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