Open letter to the Clinton campaign
Dear Clinton Campaign,
Hi! How are you all doing? I’m asking because it seems to me that some of you are getting a little tone-deaf when it comes to things like “elections.” Take this front-page article in the New York Times, for example. Yes, I know it’s the work of Adam Nagourney, and as always, I take it with the recommended daily allowance of salt. But the real problem is that your people are going to the press and talking openly about claiming the nomination regardless of what the final pledged-delegate tally looks like. You’ve got Mark Penn telling NBC that Obama hasn’t won any significant states, and Howard Wolfson telling the Boston Globe that your candidate will lean on the superdelegates, as well as the controversial Florida and Michigan delegations, even if she trails Obama in pledged delegates. This is a problem, people.
Look, I know I’m only a lowly literature professor, and not a high-paid professional consultant. And I know I usually cover the Facetious Commentary Beat here at the Café, because, hell, someone’s gotta do it. There just isn’t enough snark around these parts some days. But do you mind if I get serious for a moment and explain to you all why this new PR strategery of yours is exceptionally ill-considered?
You’ve just lost eight primaries and caucuses in a row. Your clock got cleaned on Tuesday– big time, inside and out, with 23- and 29-point margins (and remember, some people consider Virginia a “significant” state! kinda like Missouri, you know, one we’d like to win in the fall). Clearly, the thing for you to do, after a series of substantial defeats, is to come out on Wednesday and say, “We congratulate Senator Obama for his recent success, and we’re excited to be part of this truly historic contest. We now believe the race is in a virtual tie. We want to remind everyone that there is a very long way to go, and we’re especially looking forward to making our case to the voters of the great states of Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.” Full stop. Punch out, go home. That way, you look gracious and tough-minded at the same time: you don’t needlessly piss off your fellow Democrats, and (crucially) you also assure your supporters that you’re in this fight until the very last vote is counted. (You also remind people that Obama’s success is recent. Pretty clever, huh?)
Here’s what you don’t do. You don’t insist on changing the rules mid-game in Florida and Michigan, and you don’t make up brand new rationales for why people who don’t win the popular primary vote should win the nomination.
See, you have to realize that there are millions, maybe even tens of millions, of Democrats nationwide who involuntarily twitch and scream every time the state of Florida and the phrase “contested election result” are used in the same sentence. Call it Bush v. Gore Derangement Syndrome. And you have to realize that there are millions of Democrats who wish you well but who hate to be reminded that the history of Clintonism includes many sorry incidents in which the Clintons fight really really hard . . . for the Clintons. For the party, eh, not so much. In fact, a few of us came to believe, at some point between 1992 and 2000, that Clintonism entailed a series of ritual throwing-under-the-bus sacrifices, starting with Lani Guinier and gays in the military and ending up with . . . well, I can’t bear to go over the details again, but by the end of term number two it looked like pretty much the whole damn bus had been thrown under the bus.
So I think that if you’re a high-paid political consultant or communications director and you’re working for a Democrat, you don’t want to bring up what are, for millions of Democrats, painful and traumatic memories. It’s kind of like going to Adam Nagourney and telling him that you’re considering hiring Dick Morris or Marc Rich to be the campaign’s Special Liaison to the Superdelegates. It’s not very savvy.
Now, don’t get me wrong. Although I’ve (recently, ahem) declared for Obama, I’m not a member of one of those dangerous “cults.” I don’t actually believe that Obama will make our whole country springtime fresh, or bring everyone a pony, or find the lost chord. (I also don’t fear that he will perform mass weddings in Yankee Stadium or babble incoherently about the evils of psychiatry and antidepressants, either.) I kind of like your candidate personally; I think she’s whip-smart and hypercompetent, and I think she’s endured an endless stream of vicious, psychotic wingnut abuse with unfathomable equanimity. But a few weeks ago, after the South Carolina primary, I suggested that Clintonism had become a malign force in the Democratic Party. This week, I think that suggestion is looking pretty good. I also pledged to support the party’s nominee in November, too. But the kind of tactics you all are talking about are going to make a lot of ordinary Democrats (i.e., not those Krazy Kult Members!) rethink their commitment to the party– because they’re going to question your commitment to the party. If the phrase “Pyrrhic victory” is in your political consultant handbook, you may want to look it up right now.
So by all means, fight the good fight. Hammer away at Obama’s inexperience and his inadequate health care plan and his weakness with Latino/a voters. I hope to see you all in Pennsylvania in April! But don’t go nuclear by telling the press you’re thinking of blowing off actual voters in legitimate primaries and caucuses. Because one nuclear option can ruin your whole party.
Sincerely yours,
Michael










Comments (57)
Thank you, Mr. Berube. I support either HRC or BHO for the nomination. I fully understand why people consider HRC their first choice and I do not disparage them or question their intelligence. I would ask that HRC supporters not ad hominem the hell out of me and BHO by implying that I am a mindless, robotic dupe of a Jim Jones-like cult of personality because I consider Barack Obama to be worthy of the nomination and, if elected, fully qualified to be Presleydent.
Here Barack Obama is being his usual wishy washy, non-commital, cult of personality, substance-less self on ending the occupation of Iraq.
February 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
To stay in serious mode a bit longer: if we're running against McCain (which we are), Obama can make the war -- and McCain's support for the hundred, thousand, ten-thousand-year occupation -- central to the campaign. That would rock, and it would win over many millions of Americans who aren't Michael O'Hanlon. Hillary on the war, I fear, will look like Kerry II: belatedly smart and sane with regard to its failure, but badly hampered by the 2002 AUMF vote.
Will Obama run against McCain on the war? Well, we can hope, can't we?
February 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely written essay Michael. It is heartening to see English professors putting their skills to good use once in a while.
I have to agree with your sentiments that the Clintons primary goal in politics is to promote the Clintons and woe to any party's (i.e. Democrat's) interests that stand in the way. However, this time I am not worried that they can bring down the whole party. If the Obama storm continues into Wisconsin next week and then into Texas and Ohio, super delegates would vote their own political self interest and that would be to join a winner not a loser. For the insiders to defy the poplar vote in the August convention would make the 1968 Chicago convention seem like a unity and love fest. No way that Democrats not named Clinton would allow that to happen.
Poor Hillary. She is just going to have go out there and win Texas and Ohio the old fashioned way.
February 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Michael. I really don't want to vote for Nader, but will feel compelled to if Clinton manages a Superdelegate coup for the nomination.
February 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. Why don't you skip the middleman?
February 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because that would imply I support McCain. And the knowing futility of voting for Nader, after him helping screw us in 2000, would be perversely enjoyable.
Mind you, I would still vote for Hillary unless there is a fairly greivous usurpation of the popular vote totals via sitting the FL or MI delegates and/or the superdelegate.
I am a Democrat, after all, and used to being taken for granted when I'm not being ignored or demonized as the lunatic fringe. But I do have to draw the line somewhere.
February 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not Nader! Please, not that man again!
Gus Hall, however, could use some love -- especially now that he's dead and all.
February 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nicely put Mr. Bérubé.
I wonder how Penn's remark about "significant states" will go down with the roughly 580, or so, automatic delegates from, and those running down the ticket in, the 44, or so, insignificant states.
It seems that the Clinton campaign is reinforcing the worst that many folks already believe of it.
February 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think she’s whip-smart and hypercompetent, and I think she’s endured an endless stream of vicious, psychotic wingnut abuse with unfathomable equanimity.
Sometimes when a professor deigns to speak on behalf of those outside the Ivory Tower, s/he runs the risk of conflating the two.
Me, here at the local biker bar talking to my beer swilling buddies kind of like Hillary taking off the gloves.
In fact we have come to the conclusion (delusion?) that all the "meanness" of the media towards her might be justified as a test of whether she can take the heat, which she has as you so graciously point out.
Obama, now there is another story. Can the guy take the heat that comes with the job? Nobody really knows since everyone is standing in line to suck up to him.
February 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very well said, Michael, thanks.
"Obama, now there is another story. Can the guy take the heat that comes with the job?"
Good question -- we don't know the answer. But I would bet big money that we'll know the answer before November, and the answer will be yes.
I suggest that Hillary has already shown that she cannot take the heat, with her graceless behavior after her primary losses.
February 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
She wouldn't lead on FISA either. Our civil liberties don't appear to be a concern of hers on any number of matters. I won't vote for her.
February 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight you are willing to gamble on a guy who has not been tested as to whether he can stand up to pressure over a candidate who has proven she can?
You call yourself a responsible voter?
Michael Bérubé himself has said that Hillary has been tested and anyone who witnessed the past year must be dumb deaf and blind not to have seen the assaults she has withstood not only from Republican wingnuts but from ga ga-for-Obama people such as yourself.
February 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on! That's a kindergarten test; that's "sticks and stones will break my bones . . . ." talk. Hillary tested?
There's only one test for a politician. What do you do when your ambitions are threatened by your duty to your oath to cast an unpopular vote.
AUMF, anyone?
February 14, 2008 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Note what Ellen wrote. Is Hillary's only positive that she doesn't react when Repubs throw mud about her and Bill's actual behavior their way?
Frankly, one of the things I have hated about the
Bush regime is the fact that they don't react with shame to the confrontations about their illegal behavior.
Not caring what people say about you is not necessarily a good thing, if the reason is because you really don't give a shit about legitimate criticism. That is what the Bushites have done. That is what the Clintons did. Deliver us from that mind-set!
February 14, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Let me get this straight you are willing to gamble on a guy who has not been tested as to whether he can stand up to pressure over a candidate who has proven she can?
You call yourself a responsible voter?"
Ummm... my understanding is that the test of a candidate is called an 'election.'
Senator Obama has won four of those, while Senator Clinton has won but two.
I also believe that the test of fire - that is, losing an election - is as valuable an insight into the character of a person. Senator Obama has lost an election. Senator Clinton has not.
And frankly, I also consider success as an indicator of further success. For examples, see Senator Obama's health care battles, and contrast those with Senator First Lady Clinton's efforts on that front.
A responsible voter?
Yes. I do consider myself to be a responsible voter...
February 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as I'm concerned she's failed the test on Iraq.
February 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
DLC, Iraq, Iran
February 14, 2008 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Credit card industry vote.
February 15, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well she did fail on the Iraq vote. True. Obama has said that he might have voted for authorization too if he were a senator at the time.
The adoration and frenzy around Obama by the media and the people given the thinness of his record is disturbing.
You don't deny that he has been given a pass by the press. Do you?
It is the Biden Syndrome at work. Biden (a white male) blurted out something to the effect that "what's there to not like: a clean black man, who is articulate, intelligent, non-threatening....etc"
There is just way too much of this desire to laud the virtues of Obama due to the guilt feelings many people have about being helplessly racist in their inner feelings about blacks in general to one degree or another.
Judge a man by his character not the color of his skin.
We are still judging blacks by the color of their skin, and that is sad.
February 14, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're still judging Obama by the color of his skin, or suggesting that substantial numbers of others are, you simply haven't been paying attention. Read a little more widely, watch a little longer, listen a little more carefully. What you're describing sounds like one more theory designed to get you off the hook from having to get out there and learn more.
If you've got five minutes, this speech by Michelle was the first time I'd seen her speak, and it's what initially sparked my interest in the Obama campaign.
February 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said, Ellen. Hillary's claim is that she can lead from day one. There have been a number of issues before Congress this session, a number of tough votes, a number of times the Congress could have but did not to go to the mat for an issue, and pick your issue - war, SCHIP, civil liberties, ..... Hillary has not lead on any issue. Neither has Obama for that matter, but he's not making the experience, tested, ready with solutions now, argument. I'm judging her on her own argument and she fails the test.
February 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's only one test for a politician. What do you do when your ambitions are threatened by your duty to your oath to cast an unpopular vote___Ellen aka Katherine
We here in the reality based community realize that in politics it is necessary to survive in the political environment you find yourself in before anything else can be accomplished. Only then can you try to do something for the nation.
The delusion of left (and right) idealist is that (as Obama likes to bloviate) there can be some miraculous "change" that will transform the political landscape in Washington fundamentally. That all factions can unite and sing kumbaya, that there really are no fundamental incompatible interests such as those between corporate America and the blue collar worker. That really the trouble is that we don't have the right people in office. If we can get the right people in office the very nature of the human condition will change.
Obama cannot deliver on his preposterously inflated fantasy and he should know better.
He has a gift of making the politically naive think he can deliver the goods when in fact he knows he can't. That makes him dishonest.
February 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, Andrew, three things. One, I didn't say that Hillary has been tested. I said she's behaved with unfathomable equanimity, which is not at all the same thing. (I respect her for enduring such a wingnut onslaught, but I don't think this has anything to do with her ability to wield executive power.) Two, no one here is judging Obama by the color of his skin; I personally tend to judge him by the length of his coattails. Three, no one here believes that Obama will make everyone in Washington sing kumbaya. We're a pretty anti-kumbaya crowd, from what I can see.
I think you know all this already, but I thought I'd say it in so many words just so that there isn't any confusion on this thread.
February 14, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew wrote:
"We here in the reality based community realize that in politics it is necessary to survive in the political environment you find yourself in before anything else can be accomplished. Only then can you try to do something for the nation."
In other words, you must first violate your oath to defend the constitution, in order to defend the constitution?
No thanks. I'd rather have a bunch of one-termers defending the regime we're supposed to have against the government we've got.
February 16, 2008 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you think Obama is some starry-eyed idealist, you ought to read this piece from Harper's from back in November 2006:
Barack Obama Inc.: The birth of a Washington machine
He does know better. And he does know how to deliver. He's got a track record of both 'good' and 'bad' votes and this 'good' and 'bad' is very much a product of delivering the goods for his constituents. It's politics. He's a politician. A damn good one it turns out.
Anyway, if you read the piece, you'll find this graf:
That was back in November 2006. Sounds like he's been talking about building a new progressive majority for a while now. From all appearances, it looks like he's well on his way to getting us closer to that goal than anyone else on our side. I wouldn't call him perfect, but I'd call him diligent before I'd call him dishonest.
February 14, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for that Harper's link; I read the full article and recommend it.
February 15, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks.
Reality check appreciated.
February 15, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama cannot deliver on his preposterously inflated fantasy and he should know better. He has a gift of making the politically naive think he can deliver the goods when in fact he knows he can't. That makes him dishonest.
Evidence please ... ?
If this were a reviewer of a playwright (say, the late Wendy Wasserstein), it would say "Ms. Wasserstein cannot deliver on her preposterously inflated fantasy and she should know better. She has the gift that makes the theatrically naive think she can deliver the goods when in fact she knows she can't. That makes her dishonest."
Mind you ... this would all be said by a reviewer who has never actually seen a single one of Ms. Wasserstein's plays.
February 14, 2008 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you mean no pony?
February 14, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You heard me the first time. No pony. The last time a Democratic candidate promised you a pony, who had to clean up after it? That's right, I did. So no pony.
February 14, 2008 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO PONY!!!!
(sob) Iz too much 2 bear.
Seriously though, I'm one of the folks who really like Clinton, but have chosen to support Obama. I have to say this new tack of hers is starting to piss me off.
February 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Michael
To your three rebuttal points seriatim
1) I think here you are splitting hairs. You did say more than that she displays equanimity. You conveniently left out under what conditions she displayed it. You imply that this sort of vile attack on here comes only from the wingnuts and that it does not happen here at the cafe, but that's simply not true. There are tons of vituperative Hillary bashers right here. Just look at some of the other threads to get a glimpse.
2) My psychological HYPOTHESIS is that all this giving-Obama-a pass syndrome IS in fact a form of benign racism which results from a desire to exorcize hidden racist demons (racism strictly defined as the phenomenon of judging people (either positively or negatively) at least in part by the color of their skin)
3) Obama's inflated Rhetoric is totally unrealistic. The politically naive don't know that. They are fired up like teenagers at a rock concert.
He must know he can't deliver on his promises (and they are kumbaya type promises) so he is cynically using this rhetoric for political gain.
That's being massively deceptive. He can't fool those who know something about how government works (those who actually read such things as Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Politics, Hobbes' Leviathan, Locke's work, etc) and so he is being disrespectful to us.
On the other hand if he really believes all that malarkey he puts out, he is not fit to be President.
Hillary is more modest in her campaigning style. She gets into the policy weeds point by point. She does not engage in grandiloquence that is laughable to us who live in the reality based community.
That might not be a big deal to you and you say you are looking at his coattails and I can understand that somewhat.
There is an argument to be made about that point. But choosing the next president has to be more than just that.
Still there is nothing in Obama's ACTIONS during his political career that deserves the adulation that he is getting.
So as Bill Clinton put it, with Obama we are rolling the dice. Can we afford to do this yet once again? I think not .
In any case I too hope we don’t hit snake eyes.
February 15, 2008 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's not really a rebuttal, Andrew, so much as a repetition. That's OK by me, though. Just to give you a respectful response, let me say that although there is indeed some irrational Obama exuberance out there (and I've tweaked it on this site twice now), I think you're mistaken to believe that Obama voters are generally naive and/or uneducated. Strangely, he seems to be doing especially well among people who are well-read in the Western canon of political philosophy, which is why his supporters are tagged as pointy-headed elitists when they're not being tagged as kumbaya-singing kiddies. About your psychological hypothesis, well, back when I had my own blog I used to say that only Charles Krauthammer has the ability to psychoanalyze people he doesn't know from great distances, and I stand by that judgment today.
February 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
One theory is that the most important issue to Obama's upscale supporters is the war. It's too controversial to discuss openly, but Obama's talk of "change" and "hope" sends an indirect message that he'd try to end it. Hillary's message is that despite the stereotype of her gender, she's "tough". Not the battle-ax (can I use that word?) that Margaret Thatcher was in her day, but comfortable with using force.
You can know the canon of political philosophy inside and out, and it won't tell you what they really think. The best guess seems to be that Obama would be inclined to use diplomacy and put a higher priority on getting us out. That's a fairly nebulous basis for deciding to support him, but it's the best we've got.
February 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Roger -- Barack Obama has repeatedly said that he will remove all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of being elected. This is old news. There is nothing "nebulous" about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFbMz9lpxMQ
February 15, 2008 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to bring this war to a close; that's why we can get our troops out -- our combat troops out in 16 months. Barack Obama
Bivouack all them "combat troops" in those mega-Crusader castles in the Western Desert, and then, they're jes yer ole garden variety troops, donchaknow.
February 16, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
When this campaign is over, there is a good critical book to be written about the Clinton Campaign. They have made so many boneheaded mistakes -- not just the recent indications of a lost campaign in press reports, but assumptions that probably date back two or more years. For instance, we know that Hillary (and Bill) don't like caucuses -- but in the states where they are traditional, party members generally like them. You would think they would have realized they had to learn how to mount a campaign in a caucus state. It isn't rocket science, but it would be smart to hire some consultants with a track record doing it and winning. Apparently they didn't -- National Clinton Staff were sent to states lacking that competence.
Presidential Historians probably could point to the pattern -- when you have a failed presidency, a very unpopular presidency, voters look for something different. So Why in the Heck did they decide to mount a compaign so much like an incumbant's campaign. At least since the Social Security push by Bush in early 2005, and most especially since Katrina -- "more of the same" has not been the voter mood. What were the early assumptions behind this aspect of Campaign Design?
I suspect all too many Clinton Consultants are in awe of Karl Rove, and his devotion to microtargeting -- and that such techniques useful in driving up numbers in a General Election, played too strongly in thinking about the Primary-Caucus season. I'd like to know a great deal about how "technique" drove Campaign Design early on.
There is much more -- but what a string of mistakes.
February 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
"When this campaign is over, there is a good critical book to be written about the Clinton Campaign. They have made so many boneheaded mistakes -- not just the recent indications of a lost campaign in press reports, but assumptions that probably date back two or more years."
I think Penn has already written that book. :-)
February 15, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have it right. Clinton campaigned like an incumbent, conveying a sense of earned entitlement. The Clintons must feel like royalty toppled by a pretender.
The incumbent-think would discount primary challenges as not significant, would emphasize experience, and would not have any worries about having to motivate people.
Hillary is going down after Texas, I bet. Right now polls reflect her name recognition and the old history of some effort on Hispanics' behalf. But after Obama spends some time down in Texas and people hear him, Hillary can't compete.
February 16, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mostly agree with what you say. Many things that the Clinton campaign did or failed to do did indeed play a role in the pickle they find themselves in now.
But you have to agree that the rabid anti Clinton media did play a part.
1) Bash Hillary
2) Boost Obama
There is definitely an agenda here.
February 15, 2008 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Douglas Watts,
I agree he's given a time limit and has discovered that we have a diplomatic corps, which is a big improvement on the other two. But there's still a lot of wiggle room around the definition of "combat troops", and we can't know how he'll respond to the inevitable difficulties.
I'm inclined to vote for him, but it's a measure of how dysfunctional our political system is that it's an act of faith rather than rational expectation.
February 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Roger, I can't do all of your research for you; and it seems you are stubbornly opposed to seeking answers to your own questions. Good luck.
February 16, 2008 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael,
Thanks for the open letter. First, I do respect your opinion on the dynamic of the race at this point and the fact that you have serious issues with the tactics of the Clinton campaign and their shortcomings. Fair enough. Reasonable arguments can be made that the campaign trying to seat the FL and MI delegates and accumulating Superdelegates can lead to a perception of "Clintons looking out for themselves". At the same time I would argue we have not been in this position before given that neither candidate will have the required delegates by the time the contests are over, so both campaigns are employing strategies outside of the normal selection process. It certainly hasn't stopped Obama from wooing superdelegates to pledge to him, while decrying their potential role at the same time. And it certainly hasn't stopped him or his surrogates from arguing against seating all of the delegates from MI and FL, while arguing about the will of the people. (please don't argue those are the rules, DNC bylaws call for any state that violates the timing procedures to be stripped of 50% of their delegates. Dean and Brazille just wanted to go further and"send a message". It was a needlessly punitive action.) The fact is that this is unprecedented. So as unseemly as the Clinton's tactics seem to you (as an Obama supporter), it is in fact exactly what they should be doing, arguing their case, and it is negligibly different from what Obama is doing right now. If the situations were different, could you honestly say Obama wouldn't be doing the same thing? Also your letter seems to critique the Clinton's not necessarily on their substance, but their style. Also fair game. Penn is probably the worst person they could put on TV right now and frankly, all of us Dems need to be reminded on how we come across sometimes.
But issues of style aside, what I do not respect and what I do really take issue with is your characterization of the Clinton Administration as simply an endless series of the Clintons "throwing people under the bus". This does irritate me to no end, as does Obama's recent tack to tell voters that the Clinton years were just plan bad and a series of petty partisan fights with both sides, especially the Clintons, guilty. It's not so much the Obama folks' rainbows/gumdrops/and pony thing that bothers me, it's the buying of the hook, line and sinker of the Obama suggestions that the Clintons hurt our party, working folks, and nation that bug me.
Let us not forget what the Clintons found upon entering office. A rather feckless Democratic majority in Congress that was well on its way to defeat due to their all too comfortable addiction to the trappings of being the majority. You had a much more radical Republican party under new leader Newt Gingrich that was determined to utilize advanced and disciplined Republican messaging to demonize and vilify all things Democrat and exploit a not filibuster proof Dem majority in the Senate to block, harass and impede the legislative agenda of the President from Day 1. Bill Clinton was the first Democratic President in 12 years, and they were determined to make him go the way of Jimmy Carter. Read the history about health care reform. It didn't fail because Hillary worked behind closed doors, it failed because the R's intimidated every other Republican, even moderates like John Chaffee from even giving Hillary the time of day and sending out orders to oppose any White House health plan "sight unseen". Despite the fact that the knives were out for him, Clinton still took the risk of passing the 93 budget balancing, economic recovery tax plan that was absolutely the right thing to do policy wise, but ironically was great fodder for the Republican takeover in 94. Bill Clinton manned up, and you know what, he had to fight for the next six years against a regressive and awful Republican agenda. And despite those petty partisan fights and an impeachment, and a Republican majority out to crush him, the Clinton years gave us, the biggest anti poverty program since LBJ (EITC) resulting in tax relief for 15 million working poor, the largest expansion of Medicaid and health care for 6.6 million kids (SCHIP), the Family Medical Leave Act, doubling pell grants and creating HOPE and Lifetime Learning Credits helping 15 million kids afford college, etc. etc. and of course virtually every economic indicator of prosperity at or near historic highs, all while having "partisan fights" over horrible regressive tax policies, assaults on reproductive rights, the dismantling of the entitlement system etc. Not to mention our first two elected term Prez since FDR.
So as much as I'd love to turn the page and as much that it pains me that you and other good Democrats hate to be reminded of those awful selfish Clinton years, and the malign effect they've had on our party, I still must insist that before you leave the past behind for good, you take a close examination of what actually happened, not just the Obama Director's cut version of the 90's and I hope it would give you a bit better perspective of the current lay of the land.
Finally, I must ask, why are Clinton's actions worse for our party than Obama's actions. Are her attacks that much more mean spirited? Has she demonstrated the Clinton ability to say or do anything to win while Obama has pulled his punches for the sake of Dem unity? Just curious.
Best
February 16, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mcsize, many thanks for so substantial a reply. I'm sorry the "throwing the bus under the bus" narrative irritates you, and I'm sorry you have no respect for it. All I can say is that I had my suspicions about and deep frustrations with the Clinton presidency long before Obama became a national figure. After Bill hired Morris, signed DOMA, jumped on the welfare-reform bandwagon, and somehow forgot to beef up those "side agreements" that would ensure that NAFTA included something like European Unionesque wage floors and environmental protections, I joined the New Party and almost sat out 1996.
Having said that, I assure you that I remember very well what a lousy hand Clinton was dealt -- and I'll add to your account of his arrival in DC the big "surprise" $290 billion deficit Bush handed him for the New Year. I regard the EITC expansion as a real triumph for progressive tax policy, and I think Bob Kerrey was a horse's ass for petulantly holding out until the last second on support for Clinton's budget. (I'm with you on that tax increase; Clinton shouldn't have apologized for it the next year.) I agree with you about the feckless and clueless Democratic Congress, and I will never forget Tony Coelho saying, in fall 1994, that Newt Gingrich would never be Speaker. Finally, you'll notice that I haven't said a word about Hillary and the healthcare debacle of 1993. That's because I've never believed the "behind closed doors" narrative, and I've always placed the blame for that mess squarely where it belongs -- with the GOP, with the AMA, with Big Pharma, and with Bill Kristol's infamous memo. I don't believe the Clinton legacy is nothing but a string of disappointments -- but I do believe that from Guinier forward, the GOP sharks smelled blood in the water, and Clinton too often tossed them a propitiary sacrifice.
To the present: yes, we're in an unprecedented situation, and yes, the DNC penalties against FL and MI were excessive. But both campaigns agreed to those rules when they were made, and it's very bad politics to go talking to the press about revisiting those rules now. If the Obama camp were in Clinton's position and saying the same thing, I would feel very squicky indeed, and would reconsider my support for Obama. Honestly. I would also wonder whether a campaign with such terrible message discipline would actually turn into a solid and effective presidential administration.
I have no ill will toward Hillary Clinton; I still have some reservations about Obama; and in the end, I do think this will all sort itself out by March 4 one way or another. I imagine that most uncommitted superdelegates will go with the pledged-delegate flow, and FL and MI will be moot. But in the meantime, I do think the campaign should sit on anyone who talks to the press about pulling an end run around the pledged delegates.
Thanks again for a terrific response.
February 16, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Douglas
You certainly represent your typical Obama booster: crude, rude and clueless
February 16, 2008 5:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hope that's ironic. Watts from up-thread:
"I support either HRC or BHO for the nomination. I fully understand why people consider HRC their first choice and I do not disparage them or question their intelligence. I would ask that HRC supporters not ad hominem the hell out of me and BHO by implying that I am a mindless, robotic dupe of a Jim Jones-like cult of personality because I consider Barack Obama to be worthy of the nomination and, if elected, fully qualified to be Presleydent."
February 16, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee whiz, Michael. I read Literature, does that count?
It is all in your interpretation - one person stating the obvious is another person's "Oh nooooo". The point they are making is that she is winning the large states with many delegates and that means she has the chance to catch up and possibly surpass Omaba in delegate count in the upcoming significant i.e. LARGE delegate-rich primaries.
All the rest is just noise.
February 16, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, they're making other points as well, Judith, along with all that noise. But hey, if Hillary can pull off the huge wins in TX and OH she needs, more power to her. Literally!
But Penn's arguments just don't make any sense, even strategically. For instance: there's no reason to worry that with Obama as the nominee, the Democrats will somehow lose New York and California.
February 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Michael I’m going to try again with you
First, I think it is highly unfair to hold Hillary responsible for the actions that her husband took when he was president
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Secondly, when I mentioned Obama and his supporters social/political philosophical roots you said something to the effect: yeah social/political philosophy, they know all that stuff.
Well, that's not quite satisfactory.
Hillary has laid her cards on the table a long time ago. She is a communitarian.
And some people do not like her for that because they think it is a quasi fascistic doctrine (e.g. Ellen).
Obama on the other hand has no discernible political philosophy other than perhaps a utopian unitarianism. (I made that term up and might refer you to Marx's theory of the endpoint of history being some such utopia thus suggesting that Obama is casting himself as the messiah who will usher us into this end point of history)
What unifies Obama's rhetoric is this idea that HE can reinvent politics as it has been practiced since time immemorial. He is the Messiah.
"Yes we can!!" drone on his followers. He says he is going to break with the future and venture into a New Beginning. No more politics as usual. Does that mean he's promising unusual politics and if so what on earth does that mean? His slogan is the all embracing phrase fundamental "change". Change to what? He has not said because he has not enunciated his political philosophy.
There is a dearth of specifics on this all important topic (for us beer swilling democrats at least).
I think Bill was being generous when he said that we would be throwing the dice with Obama. We are throwing away what is most important: a framework from which to discern what Obama will actually do.
That does not seem to be a concern to you. You have a handful of grievances against her husband, whatever relevancy that might have to any serious discussion and you use that as a cogent reason for supporting Obama.
Communitarianism--as in "It Takes a Village" does give me an indication how she would govern.
Also you totally overlook Obama's disingenuous conflating the Bush tyranny with her husband's eight years in office. He is in fact surreptitiously implying that the right wing conspiracy against her husband that resulted in his impeachment has some merit. It is all part of the Wicked PAST. Give me a break!
The plain fact is we have no clue what Obama will do because he has no philosophical anchor, only dangerously infectious rhetoric about stark contrasts: Past and Future, Change and more of the same ,(as if Hillary would give us more of the same as Bush has), Politics as usual versus Obama Politics whatever.
It is because of this irrational exuberance that I was forced to psychoanalyze the Obama phenomenon amongst people such as yourself. Despite the fact that Krauthammer psychoanalyzes social phenomena it is not verboten you know. Another one of your logical non seqitours.
So what I'm left with is that you yourself do not have a coherent reason for 1) supporting Obama and 2) heaping scorn on Hillary. So my grade for you is C+ with the comment "entertaining but not very cogent"
February 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
there are some typos the most egregious being non sequitour which should be Non sequitur
miss the ability to edit.
February 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Professor,
I look forward to your memoirs, I Cover the Facetious Commentary Beat. It’s not quite as illustrious as covering the waterfront or the war, but it’s honest work and there is a built in job security. In regards to FLA/MI, isn’t it true that at the time the DNC threatened its sanctions against, many Dem leaders and pundits were saying that the FLA and MI votes would have to be counted somehow in the end?
Of course, it’s all political. In Nevada we had to let the major casinos hold their own private primaries in the name of democracy or we would be disenfranchising voters. OTOH, in Florida, we must disenfranchise all Democratic voters because the Republican legislature and governor moved their primary up over state Dem’s objections. Yes, let the famous Florida Republican Party (and Donna Brazile) decide who our nominee will be. Clinton was against the sanctions to begin with but abided by the agreement all candidates had to consent to not to campaign there. And the Obama camp has lobbied mightily to have new caucuses in those states, which someone more cynical than I might say is also an attempt to change the rules mid-game.
Besides, isn’t the Obaman fight to have the super-duper-delegates correspond to the “will of the people” a case of changing the rules mid-game? If the role of the SD is to reflect the voters’ delegations, why have them? (Though I agree- why have them?) Obama and Clinton are both centrist establishment compromising politicians either of which would be “springtime fresh” compared to the dank stink that we currently have. But both campaigns are playing to win, politically, with whatever it takes. Obama has been better at playing the game but both camps are bags of political gas playing at the edges of identity politics with faux outrage and concern trolling of the media. What gets old is the “your side is dirty but we’re squeaky clean” and “I’m shocked, there’s gambling going on…” kind of crass politicking in the guise of righteous indignation.
February 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, no, Don, I don't think the Obama fight for the superdelegates is rule-changing. Both Obama and Clinton should make their cases to the SDs as best they can. What I object to is Clinton campaign advisors going to the press to say they'll try some combination of MI/FL and SDs to overcome a pledged-delegate deficit. It's bad spin and bad politics. And the Florida Dems have plenty to answer for, too.
I agree with you completely about the existence of superdelegates, though. They were invented in 1980 to save us from Communist hippies like Jimmy Carter (who was actually, as I recall, a centrist-conservative guy from the South somewhere), and they promptly gave us . . . Carter's running mate, followed by Dukakis. Thanks, guys!
February 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would never try to defend Clinton advisors playing the refs, or Mark Penn doing anything, but that is what they do (badly as it may be). And if it was a Democratic state senator who originally introduced the legislation to move up the primary, well then by all means we should ditch the millions of FLA Democratic votes (they’re old people down there anyway).
I’m not saying that Clinton is entitled to delegates that were not supposed to count but it’s not an outrageous claim either and some fix will have to be made. The DNC knew at the time that it was unwise to disenfranchise whole states in the primary and it has created a SNAFU that is going to leave a lot of Dem voters discouraged and perhaps staying home in November.
In regards to the SDs, the Obama camp has been trying to have it both ways. They argue that the SDs must follow the plurality vote of the primaries and caucuses while quietly courting and threatening and donating three times as much as Clinton to the SDs for their votes. Both sides are playing the same game but one side pretends to be above it all.
I think the DNC and Dem leadership could ultimately broker for either candidate because they are both establishment insiders. The whole primary process seems more broken than usual and that may benefit Republicans in the end.
February 16, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is Jake Tapper on Obama the saint:
February 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a sample of Senator's Obama "new" kind of Politics. From the New York Times By MIKE McINTIRE
Published: February 3, 2008
February 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Michigan delegates should not be seated because only Hillary was on the ballot, but in Florida it is another story. All candidates were listed. And here is the kicker; Obama ran ads in Florida on Comcast in the two weeks prior to the vote.
Now he is whining about Hillary wanting to seat those delegates.
Who is engaged in bad politics here? Who is being disingenuous?
February 16, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're being disingenuous.
Obama's Comcast ads were part of a national ad buy that had no regional opt-out capability.
If Hillary was so against the DNC's handling of the FL/MI situation, why did she agree to it in the first place? Why did her campaign release a statement last September fully affirming her consent? I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. A cynic might say it's because Hillary's position on the issue highly provisional.
The next time I hear a convincing pro-Hillary explanation of her changing stances on Florida, it'll be the first time.
But what do I know? I'm from the insignificant state of Missouri, so according to Mark Penn, I don't matter. It's not like the Dems need Missouri to take the White House anyway, right?
February 20, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink