No Tuesday More Super
Since elections don't have anything to do with how many votes or delegates you win and everything to do with whether or not you under or over-perform expectations, I thought we should get started early molding the media narrative.
As Josh explained in yesterday's episode of TPMtv, polling (as good as it can be) seems to be pointing to a big day for John McCain (with the exception of a handful of states) and a photo finish on the Democratic side. Both nationally and in California, some polls show Clinton up a few points, others Obama. The key thing we're looking at here is that the oldest are good for Clinton, the newest for Obama. That being said, as Eric Kleefeld noted yesterday at Election Central, "Your guess is really as good as ours about what's going to happen."
So what's your guess?
A few links to good reader posts after the break.
If you haven't caught on yet, don't miss FlyOnTneWall's polling analysis. She/he has a lot of good analysis up that's worth taking a look at.
Also, dnA has an interesting post on Paul Krugman's sustained critique of Obama. dnA blogs full time over at Too Sense which, if you're not already, you really should be reading.
Finally, Chuck Keller posted a video of Olbermann's "Special Commnet" on the FISA law. Definitely worth a watch.
Keep blogging and recommending folks, we're still working out all the kinks but we're excited about all the great initial thoughts.















I'm hoping Obama's "surge" continues. I'm not predicting. But I"m hoping.
And if you did not get to read Deanie Mills's eloquent post yesterday about Obama's "Brief Shining Moment," I urge you to click on "all reader's posts" just below Recent Readers Posts. It's a long read. But it gives a sense of one person's travels from youthful activism to embracing renewal and hope with Obama. Deanie's Post is truly a "must read." It fell off the list yesterday at a time when it was nearly impossible for the recommend button to work or to post to the thread.
I'm impressed by how many posters yesterday used the word "Moment" to describe what is happening for Dems just now... particularly if you're an Obama supporter. Reminds me of a line from TS Eliot: "And every moment is a new and shocking Valuation of all we have been."
It's "The Moment." And it's beautiful! ♪♪♪
February 5, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding Deanie Mill's post, "On Brief, Shining Moment," even though published yesterday (2/4/08), you'll need to scroll to the bottom of the "All Reader's Posts" page, where you'll find Recent Archives and click:
* February 3-February 9, 2008
in order to reach her post. It's one of her best!
February 5, 2008 8:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
My prediction:
Obama wins: Alabama, Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Deleware, Dems Abroad, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota
Clinton wins: Arkansas, Kansas, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah
Giving the winner a 55/45 split * of the available delegates would produce the following delegate split for Tuesday:
Obama 764
Clinton 709
(* which is not the actual system, but I'm not going to try make predictions at the Congressional District level)
February 5, 2008 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why speculate about the district by district delegates when the Cook Report has done it for you.
Give Obama the optimal 586-492, then split the 395 at large delegates 55-45, and you get Obama 803, Clinton 670. That'd be a pretty huge Obama victory, which seems unlikely to me.
February 5, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, who knows, but the one thing I feel confident about is that neither Barack or Hillary is going to have it locked up. Because of the sheer number of delegates up for grabs, even, say, a 55-45 split of the delegates gives the winner a sizable although not insurmountable delegate lead.
That will make Saturday's Louisiana primary and Washington state caucus and next Tuesday's Virginia (my home state), Maryland, and DC primaries important. The results of those contests will be seen either as sustaining an Obama surge that could lead him to the nomination or as solidifying a relatively narrow but hard-to-overcome delegate lead for Hillary.
On the Republican side McCain is a lock.
February 5, 2008 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Audacity of My Commute
I woke early, in hopes of getting to the polls before work. A progression of household delays will force me to do so after work today. Still, I was in position to get to the office early enough to enjoy a cup of coffee before the rest of the organization gets in, and that seemed like a solid goal for me.
When I arrived to the subway station, a college student was at the top of the escalators handing out Obama literature and encouraging people to vote. I passed on the literature, stating that Barack already had my vote. The young man thanked me and I took the stairs down to the train stop.
That’s when I noticed something far out of the ordinary for my morning routine. My fellow commuters, who I see every morning and afternoon, were engaged in conversation with each other. Usually, this crowd of mixed age, race, gender and preference casually ignores each other. They stand or sit quietly. They bury their faces in books or newspapers. They close their eyes. Rarely do they interact. Today, they were discussing politics with their fellow strangers.
All of this was inspired by the young man at the top of the station encouraging votes for Obama. It appeared to me that a majority of my fellow commuters were receptive to that encouragement. People were shouting, “Yes We Can!” Others asked each other if they’d voted yet and if they knew where to do so.
I decided to interact as well, and try to get a feel for people’s thoughts and ideas. As I was considering who I would survey, a couple of young black men shouted over their iPod earphone volume at me. “Democrat?” I smiled and nodded. They both responded with a hearty Kool-Aid man impression.
As I took my seat on the train, I was stunned by how everyone was still interacting. They were folding up their Obama literature and saving it. I asked an elderly gentleman nearby what he thought of this phenomenon. He smiled a Cheshire grin and told me that it gave him hope.
Two well dressed white girls, likely students, sat near me, and didn’t seem interested in the political conversations occurring around them. I decided to ask them why. “We’re Hillary girls,” one responded to me. I had to ask why.
“Because she’s a woman,” the other said enthusiastically.
The two black men I’d encountered outside the train chimed in from several rows away, saying that they were voting for Obama, but not because he’s black. They wanted to know what issues the girls were choosing Clinton over Obama for. The girls responded they were choosing Clinton because they liked her husband.
This made me pause. At first the ladies made me think they were choosing Hillary because of strong feelings for the need for a woman, but ultimately their reason was anti-feminist, and because they liked her husband.
My new friends that I’d met outside the train weren’t done interjecting. “No more Clintons. We can’t have more of the same.”
I felt bad for the girls, as they sunk down sheepishly, in an obviously mostly Obama crowd. I decided to push the Obama crowd on the issues to see how they made their choice.
Interestingly enough, the people I may have incorrectly stereotyped by appearance for not being politically minded, seemed to be the most astute on the issues. One told me about a pledge to honor the constitution as President that Obama signed and Hillary refused. (I researched this when I got to the office, it’s true.) Several spoke about the war. A nice couple spoke about Obama’s work as a community organizer and how they believed it would benefit the nation to have a leader who worked on the streets like that. Everyone agreed that Barack’s warm personality made him extremely likable and gave them hope.
A stylish older black man with a cane, the sort of character you see on the train and wish you’d brought a sketch pad, grabbed me by the arm and smiled. “You see this? That man, (Obama) has inspired all these people to get active in politics. I haven’t seen anything like this since the civil rights movement. You say you’re a writer. You write about this today.”
And so I did.
I can’t wait to cast my vote for Obama today. He at one point was my third choice, behind Kucinich and Paul. Now I’m excited to support him. THAT is the audacity of hope.
February 5, 2008 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just emailed this to a whole group of people! ♬
February 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You should post this over in the blogs section...
February 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
although creating new blog posts seems to be down right now...
February 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still, I was in position to get to the office early enough to enjoy a cup of coffee . . . at one point [Obama] was my third choice, behind Kucinich and Paul. chautauquan
Well, now that Obama's got the latte-sipping, neo-libertarian crowd, there'll be no stopping him.
February 5, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Try the poor, in his 30s, uses public transit, drinks cheap, black coffee, strict Constitutionalist crowd. Bitter much, Ellen? Why the hostility?
February 5, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 5, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew, you wrote "Since elections don't have anything to do with how many votes or delegates you win and everything to do with whether or not you under or over-perform expectations..."
Minor quibble. I hear you, Andrew. But on this day, with this many delegates at stake, these elections have a lot to do with how many delegates the candidates win. Exceeding or falling short of expectations can be crucial--if you're still in the race. And based on what we've been hearing that seems likely once they've counted the delegates chosen today. As I say, minor quibble.
Thanks for all the hard work you're doing. I hope that while noting the problems, which Andrew and company need to know obviously, a few of our fellow denizens will try harder to be polite about it and remember to show appreciation. Many are being polite, gracious, and patient now.
February 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was being, how do you say... sarcastic ;)
February 5, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm back - thanks to Andrew's help.
February 5, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tried to blog it, but it wouldn't let me. My apologies to Andrew for adding it to his thread, I was just eager to share with my fellow TPM junkies.
February 5, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It "wouldn't let you"? Can you be specific? The more concrete you can be about what happened, the easier it is to fix.
February 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was a MT error...couldn't find profile, or something like that.
February 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just tried to view my profile:
Can't call method "blog" on an undefined value at ../../lib/MT/Template/ContextHandlers.pm line 3810.
February 5, 2008 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
(damn! tpmcafe just ate my post!!!)
No need for apoligies!!! I meant you should *also* post it in the readers blog section, so that many more people will get to read it.
February 5, 2008 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
that was a great story - I am emailing it around.
February 5, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I just tried again so I could tell you the error message it said, and it worked. My apologies to Andrew again.
February 5, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
No need to apologize. Glad it worked.
February 5, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, Andrew, for the link - and for keeping things running. I've just posted my "Five Things to Watch For Tonight," for the curious: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/five-things-to-watch-for-tonig.php
February 5, 2008 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I voted this morning on line in the Democrats Abroad primary election.
Apparently a number of delegates have been apportioned to those of us who live abroad.
February 5, 2008 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
chautauquan
That was brilliant, I just put it on facebook.
February 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terrific post. I'm linking to Robin Morgan comment
She's right that there's a lot of misogyny out there. We knew it would be there, but it's still pathetic and disgusting. Her closing line--"Me, I'm voting for Hillary not because she's a woman--but because I am." left me cold, though. See what you think...
February 5, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, ok, humor...arg, arg, arg (for those not yet antique as I am, reference is to old Robin Williams TV series "Mork and Mindy"). :
February 5, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a long race and we are just seeing the end of the beginning of putting politics back at the dinner table, front porch and water cooler. These things are important in keeping the culture of America and the politics of America in the bag so to speak. I don't live in any of the Super Tuesday states (I live in Texas) but I have been hyping up this election as an opportunity to renew Americans interest in their communities. What I find on most people's minds is that the government/politicians have done a poor job explaining themselves and their actions to their constituents. Of course this can not be every elected representative but their is a common belief that the direction we have sowed has led us away from progress. For too long many elected officials have used wedge issues (which are important) to distract their constituents from any agenda which would bring about progress in one's own community. Down here I am commonly called a liberal by many whom I call friends and acquaintances but when we really start talking about things such as no child left behind, wasteful government spending, immigration reform, healthcare our differences are a small minority compared to our similarities(i.e. we want progress). I am so heartened to hear the excitement in the air and I hope that the balloon can handle the increasing pressure leading up to November, thanks to TPM, Huffpo and the entire blogging community which has empowered the citizens to take back their voices in deciding, discussing and encouraging civic virtues. No let's keep talking!
February 5, 2008 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
What channel is Super Tuesday on?
February 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's on Fox. Right after American Idol.
February 5, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure? I put on Fox and they just have this dork imitating Colbert.
February 5, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish it wasn't so but I suspect the Dem race is over. Obama will win and win big today. In fact, although she will get my vote, I will be surprised if Mrs. Clinton wins any states today. We love a romance in this country and his story fits the bill perfectly. Ability has little to do with it. Oprah wants him. Ted Kennedy wants him. The entire media have jumped in eagerly. There is hardly any room left on the bandwagon. I hope the frontrunners are right. The price for making a mistake now will be huge.
February 5, 2008 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
We love a romance in this country and his story fits the bill perfectly. Ability has little to do with it
I don't think Clinton is any more "able" than Obama.
And I don't think it's "romance," either. These Bush years have placed a heavy weight on the American people, and, for many, someone named "Clinton" is too much about the past, weighed down by the past.
Time to turn the page...
February 5, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for Clinton and so did my wife, and I really felt good about it. My three voting age kids are Obama folks and, my 18-year old son, after staying up with his buddies to watch the Giants stun the world, was leafletting at the train station for Obama out where he lives on Monday morning at 6 AM. I feel especially good about that.
I love it. I figure, so long I can take with grain of salt the hatred and the vitriol (or alternatively the kumbaya-like stuff I'm starting to get my full of) from partisans and others on both sides of this Democratic election, this can turn out to be very, very exciting.
I also have to say that, depending on what happens tonight, there could be a lot of people in the MSM and the blogosphere who have a little repenting to do for getting a bit carried away with some pretty silly stuff. The celebrity endorsement thing is a bit cheezy as it is (not counting big ones like Ted Kennedy), but when serious bloggers are posting articles about endorsements from, yes you got it, IKE'S GRANDDAUGHTER (!!!!), you know things have gotten a little out of hand. That one just about put me over the top, but of course as a Clinton supporter maybe I would have felt differently had Ike's kin come out out for HRC instead of Obama. . . maybe. :)
February 5, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad. My daughter, a first time voter, was an Obama supporter. This weekend my TV was set on CSPAN and she stoped by and watched back to back a speeches by Bill Clinton and Oprah. The contrast couldn’t be bigger. She changed her mind.
February 5, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's going to be Hillary.
The polls for Obama are as innacurrate as they were before NH and the media buzz is essentially the same minus the obvious hillary hate from that cycle.
Having been to the polling station and worked the phones today, it appears that the trends are exactly the same as they were all through the cycle. Over 40 goes Hillary with a large chunk of female. Latino split 70-30 Hillary. under 25 and black goes Obama. 25-40 are a slugfest.
Obama loses by the same margins everywhere in the same way he's been losing, and he wins everywhere that his core demographics can win it for him.
Hillary by 200+ delegates.
This time the mea culpa will include the blogsphere, not just traditional media.
Oh and the voting reform advocates will have a field day, however it will be noticable that they are particular focused on the areas in which Obama and Ron Paul did not do as well as forecasted.
February 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew, for those of us not in Super Tuesday states (May 20th for Oregon), you're absolutely correct, even if you were being sarcastic. Elections have nothing whatsoever to do with voters, positions, or likability. It has everything to do with fulfilling expectations.
If Obama is the runaway, then what's the point for those of us in later states to even bother voting for a different candidate, or even showing up at all ? (Although, Oregonians don't need to show up to polls, we're 100% vote-by-mail). Who wants to pick a loser, anyway? It's just not American, unless one wants to be that "I still voted for Mr Obscure" person.
And if there isn't a clear favorite / winner? Well, wouldn't the Obama camp just claim that they smashed Ms Clinton's inevitability mantle?
It's all about perception, all about expectations for those of us outside of today's voting bloc.
February 5, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Making predictions in this race is like claiming you know when the second coming will occur. It's foolish and contrary to all available evidence.
February 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
WE LET THE MEDIA STEER US INTO THE BUSH PRESIDENCY........WE LET THE MEDIA GET US INTO A WAR WE SHOULDNT HAVE EVEN THOUGHT OF BEING IN.........NOW THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO SHOVE A CANDITATE DOWN OUR THROATS WHO IS A SENATOR FOR 3 YEARS ........WHO IS A CON ARTIST WHOS TALKS BEAUTIFUL BUT SAYS NOTHING.......ARE WE ALL IDIOTS ????????
February 5, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll find out soon. In any case let's all relax. We'll be fine.
February 5, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper, you are correct that the media helped steer us to the Bush presidency (and all elected officials since 1960). And, you are correct that the media helped steer us to the Iraq war (as well as other wars in the 20th Century).
But, there's no need to go ad hominem on Mr Obama, or his supporters. He has his faults just as any other candidate.
February 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Turn off your caps lock, please.
February 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Zumper, I don't think we're idiots. But I also think some people don't work very hard at this election business. Obama is the current rock star of politics and he has attracted a very good following of groupies. People like being on the bandwagon and I suspect a lot of people have decided it is better to go along for a fun ride rather than stand up and fight for Mrs. Clinton.
The curious thing to me is how Obama has managed to get every single media person on his side. (Or, at least, not criticize him.) In the end, that may have been his biggest accomplishment.
No matter. tnathan is right. We need to relax. I have accepted that Mrs. Clinton is going to get hammered badly today and that the media is going to have a wonderful time kicking her all over the lot. Champagne and party favors for everybody!
Meanwhile, we have soldiers dying daily in Iraq, housing is spiraling out of control and unemployment is creeping up again. Hopefully, Obama (or perhaps Oprah) will have some answers for those issues.
February 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
People like being on the bandwagon and I suspect a lot of people have decided it is better to go along for a fun ride rather than stand up and fight for Mrs. Clinton
Or, it could be that Clinton voted for Bush's war.
Obama wasn't my first choice, but there's really no reason to make anyone who supports him seem like a f*&king idiot. Like this is a popularity contest, and not an important election.
It's pretty much insulting.
February 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
With you. Tired of trash talk between allies. Seems to me we're pretty much all Democrats here, eh?
February 5, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink