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Hey folks.  Welcome to the new site.  Please excuse the mess for the next few hours while we sort things out.  We have to swap in new and pretty pictures, put in content that the database didn't get, fun stuff like that.  But pretty soon, we'll be up and moving!

Hope you like it.

Update: Looks like it may be a little more than the next few hours.  We're working constantly to get everything up and running, sorry for the trouble.

Late Update: A few people have emailed me to note the fact that they sometimes see this site, sometimes the old Cafe site.  That should end soon, basically the site is moving from one server and design to another and is schizophrenic for the afternoon.  This is a 24 hour process max and should be cleared up by morning.  Thanks for your patience.


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Hi, Andrew

Site looks great.

When will you be e-mailing the new passwords?

Emma Zahn

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You try this page, Emma?

Andrew, that link you pointed Emma at is at least partially broken.

I e-mailed talk@talkingpointsmemo.com a version of the explanation that follows, but with the real e-mail addresses instead of the xxxx-ed out addresses below. Feel free to contact me if you need further information.

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Your new blog software has a bad bug. I can't reclaim my TPM Cafe account because of it.

I've noticed this problem a lot with Moveable Type-based blogs lately, and I suspect it's the result of some simple fool writing an e-mail address validation module for Moveable Type that doesn't recognize the existence of e-mail addresses with second- or third-level subdomains on the right-hand side of an e-mail address, and that module being adopted without sufficient review by a lot of blog owners.

You will note that my e-mail address is XXXXXXX@thirdlevel.secondlevel.firstlevel.tld.

It's the e-mail address that's long been set up as my TPM Cafe address.

When you reply to this e-mail, to that address, it will be delivered to me.

But when I plug it into TPM's "password reset code" routine to "reclaim" my TMP Cafe account, I don't ever get an e-mail. It's not getting caught in my spam filter, as I have a running 'tail -f' going on my procmail log (the only spam filtering I use on this account is implemented in procmail), and it doesn't show up there. The same thing happens when I plug in my username, 'tbetz'. The "password reset" code is simply not sending the e-mail.

I did manage to log in once to the old TPM Cafe web site and change my address there to one with a first-level subdomain (XXXXXX@firstlevel.tld) but apparently you imported that database instead of linking to it live, and the new site doesn't recognize the existence of that address, as the "change password" code gives me "Error: Unknown user" when I plug it in.

Given all this buggy sh!^, how can I reclaim my TPM Cafe account?

Thanks.

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You should be getting an email from our tech folks shortly, thanks for the info.

Thanks. E-mail received.

Hi:

Your new site is working ... not so well. Last night the 'Access your old Account' link was not 'live' in TPMCafe and I was not able to log in or convert my old account to the new system. Today, while working slowly, I can see that the conversion link is 'live', when I follow it slowly, inputting my username, email address, or both, I am ppresented with the following:

close Publish error in template 'Profile Reset Password Email Template': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'Site Header'
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I'm guessing this problem is not unique to me. What's the scoop, and what's the fix?


ACF

I'll be back when you get things fixed, maybe.
Jeez what a mess.

Whskyjack

FYI, got this message when I clicked the "Click Here to Access It" link and entered my old username

"Publish error in template 'Profile Reset Password Email Template': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'Site Header'"

The member formerly known as ges.

P.S.
I'll keep checking back.

yo, peeps. give em break...

- cscs

Sorry, Charlie, er, Andrew. SMDH (Same Message Different Hour regarding old member/new password). Hang in there. The wizards eventually show up to drive off the gremlins ;-)

ges

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Glenn,
Have you been able to access old blogs or comments? If so, how?

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Chuck, just stuff from this incarnation, not from the old Cafe.

Glenn

Yes.

ges, it's seashell. How long did it take for you to get your password? I'm feeling homeless!

Said with a big :-)

TheraP has a post up in the blogs, if we can ever find them again, that ends with wait for the email. I believe that is a clue. Password email = slower than snail mail.

Hmmmmm

You look naked.

I like it.

:D

You seem to be getting the bugs eradicated. Thanks.

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Why is there a list of ancient comments from 2005 on the home page associated with my user name?

Is there going to be any way to track one's own comments? Or any tracking of the whole site
like at the link many of us used to get involved in conversations:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/tracker ?

Or anything like a way to look at "recent comments"?

If not, I think you might be surprised by the drop in traffic. I certainly will not use a site that doesn't have those features anywhere near as much as I had been using this one. I think a lot of people come here for the extended conversations over days and click a lot all over the place in doing so. If you don't provide a way to access where all the hot conversations are going on over more than a day, you are going to lose one of the main draws of the Cafe site. I don't think the model of "Catch today's conversation today or it's gone" is what made this site popular.

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If this redesigned website does not have the unique conversational ability I want, I will not waste my time with it. My routine, every time I visit the site, is, I meant WAS, to go to my own page and hit the track tab. No more. What is the point now?
I read the front page AFTER picking up on the active threads, that can go on for days. It was that pace I just loved. I gave up writing very often to DailyKos. It is too ephemeral. I sip my wine; I do not play frenetic video games, though I have nothing against those who do.
Am I an old fuddy-duddy?

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No "tracker"? Then, I'm pretty much gone!

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Is there an archive of our old blogs on the new site? Can we track comments like the old one?

I'd like to track some of my old friends from TPMCafe but it feels like we have to start from scratch.

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Archives are on their way over, Chuck. In the next few days you should be able to find all of your own old posts by hitting "your blog" at the top, and your most recent 10 comments are on your profile.

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Comments are now NOT threaded? Or is that only temporary?

sPh

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They're threaded, just hit reply below the comment you're responding to.

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Andrew, thanks again for all the work you guys have done to integrate the different TPM sites while maintaining user profiles, and upgrading the commenting feature.

Integrations never go as planned, no matter the months of planning involved. I'm looking forward to seeing it all in action.

I hope other users can maybe sit back and be a little patient while the bugs and merges are worked out.

Andrew posts made over the past few days in some blog articles have disappeared. One I made to Nathan Newman's latest blog article disappeared overnight. Would you please see what happened to it?

I'mk the old kosmotropic and could only get back into the new site by creating a new profile. I suppose my old stuff is gone then, right?
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I did recieve my email (note if you have hotmail, at least for me, it showed up in my junk mail box. I had mark it "not junk" in order to follow the link)

It did bring up the page with a new password (COPY THIS PW SOMEWHERE). I went to edit my profile and make the change to my easily remebered PW. It would not take my updated PW. Luckily I was able to use my back button get back to page with the temp PW and was able to copy it.

This is the only way to log in that I have found so far. Maybe they are still working on the end user profile edit.

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My Hotmail saw it as spam or phishing, and put a warning and block on the content. Perhaps because the email sender's name/address was my own, and didn't say TPM anywhere. It didn't go in the junk mail, perhaps because I have my own Hotmail address on the Contact List. But I did have to guess that it was from TPM, and then click to override Hotmail's block to get the link.

One other glitch/complication: you get the new password on this site, not in the email, which is only a link. If you then log in with it, and go to the My Account page to change the password to something memorable, you will get another emailed link that says you have to confirm the change. Actually, you don't and it will keep sending these over and over every time you go and put the new password it, perhaps for infinity. So far, I have ignored those after getting two of them.

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I imagine that if you are only going to give a history of only 10 comments, you are going to hear a lot of squawking from people who are active members and contribute a lot of content. One great value of the site has been to be able to follow a thread over like a week at least, to come back and look at your comments, see who replied to them, and pick up the conversation. Or even to see that a thread has had a lot of activity on it on the global tracker, and read it all after it's been going on several days, and then reply to some of the comments on it.

A history of only 10 is taking away the ability to have a long conversation and interaction with a group of others, and is basically just the standard old blog format of blogger speaks, commenters say something about what he said, no one interacts much, it's over the next day.

Perhaps this is what you want to do.

But I for one will only be interested then if the original blogger is saying something exceptionally interesting and well-developed, or if I happen to have time that day to interact with commenters that day. With longer discussions over time, you get commenters sometimes developing more interesting trains than the original post, that's the beauty of forum software, over simple blogging with comments.

From some of the other things you have said, instead of following comments and discussions over time, you seem to want to push people doing their own blogs and then get them voted to the top of the list. This is just imitating DKos, but they have Diary Rescue, time intensive and run by lots of volunteers, and you are using voting to judge. Theirs has more editorial control, and still it is far less interesting to me as the system you had, which was conducive to round table discussion, not just a bunch of commenters reacting to one post.

I suspect you will end up with a lot less traffic, fewer people checking in all the time to see if the conversation is still going on. Again, maybe that's what you want, but so far it really seems like a totally different model.

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Just FYI: The reply function is not working for me. I hit the reply link for both of my recent comments above, got a box that said it's going to be a reply to so and so, and then after hitting send, they are getting posted at the bottom of the thread rather than in-thread replies.

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I got in with no problems.

The old Cafe was fun while it lasted.

~OGD~

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seashell, I think I'm replying to you but not sure. I never received a new password by email. In the meantime, Andrew and I have formed a close personal relationship, as in I email him asking WTF, and he tells me :-) He sent me a new password, but I've been unable to change it. I imagine the wizards are on their way to chase out the gremlins ;-)

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Hi,

Hey, there are some comments that have gone missing. Yesterday, I was responding to a comment on Newman's Feb 1 post and the comments that were there disappeared and are still missing today (though comments that came later are there). Comments from his post the day before are missing, too.

Good luck working the kinks out. Looking great so far.

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Unfortunately, comments made during the transition have been lost. We're working on it to see if we can find them, but I'm not optimistic. Should only be a few posts' threads.

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Andrew, if this posts now, I'm up and running! And if so, I suggest to anyone having problems - delete all your tpm cookies!

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I wonder if the blogs that went up in the old Cafe yesterday also went down the memory hole....

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Bless you, Andrew!!!

I feel like I've been through a major disaster here!

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Thanks. Good luck!

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I can't tell new comments from old. Is this a local quirk, or generally the case?

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Seriously about this: I have to scroll through all the comments from the top every time I want to read the new comments. I'm not likely to do that. Am I just one of those who has yet to clear their cache? Or is this how it is, for now?

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Forgive me, Devon. Is that a photo of your tooth?

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I think my teeth look worse than that.

I'm not quite sure what it is, but I wanted to get rid of my picture - I put one up on my profile page for no good reason, but I don't want my picture dogging me on every comment I make.

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With you---note my neutral avatar.

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My password won't stick. I change it, save the changes, close the browser, and when I come back to TPM, I have to login. (Used to stay logged in.)

Problem is the new password is rejected, so I use the temporary again. Doesn't matter if I logout or not.

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Still having problems logging on at TPM Election. I keep recovering and then changing my password, and no matter what I do, the system tells me there's a password error. Should I just wait a few days and start over?

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Well, I kinda like the old site. I'm looking for my pals; also for ratings -- they were fun even if they started wars!

I'm going to sit tight for a few days. I also liked the way it was 2 years ago and it took me a while to adjust to the latest format.

I hope this turns out to be an improvement; there MUST be a reason for changing, right? Thanks

CVille Dem

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Are new posts marked from old ones as before? Can we check on responses to our own posts?

I hope so.

CVille Dem

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Hello...

Will there still be a way to contact people back channel? I don't see anything, at the moment, unless I've missed it...

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I had a similar problem with a reset password not taking. I eventually discovered that a password change verify email was being sent to my account. Once I followed the instructions there everything worked.

After butting my head against this thing, to no avail, I finally gave up and created a new account. It was the only way to get in and post a comment. An email didn't get any results, although in TPM's defense, they're probably overwhelmed with complaints.

I want my old account back. I've tried following the 'Access your Old Account' link, and was shown the "Your password reset code was sent. Please click the link in the email to generate a new password." message, but no email was ever sent. I've tried following the 'lost password' link, and was rewarded with the same message, but again, no email was ever sent, or none received anyway. The first day of the site changeover, I was able to check into my profile at TPMCafe, and the username and email address I was using was correct, so there should be no reason why an email wouldn't reach me.

As I said above, I want my old account back, with access to my posts.

ACF_MA, the user formerly known as ACF

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Your "Recommend This" voting system is currently Chicago machine style, one can vote "early and often." Every time I come anew to a page, I find I can vote again, logged in, logged, it matters not. As is, it's not at all meaningful, as it can easily be gamed.

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Reply to Devon (@ February 4, 2008 12:03 AM, in case this doesn't post as a reply):

Looks like it's not possible to have "new" markers, this looks like the same software they put in at TPM Election Central and they didn't put them in there, even though the Election Central afficianados complained about that back when they were changed over. I pointed out at the time that at The Atlantic blogs where they have similar software, at least you can see a list of the 10 most recent comments on each post when you are on the post page, and that is an aid to getting to comments after your own, better than nothing. But the TPM Election Central seem to have gotten used to having to scroll. Perhaps savvier ones use their browser search to find their user name and last comment? People put up with it, find ways to make do, if they want to talk about something.

Isn't this sort of like Huffington Post? I haven't used that much.

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Replies are still not posting as replies for me. It's not that I am a newbie idiot, I know how to do it, when I use the reply link, and the box says it's a reply and to whom, it still posts as a new comment at the bottom of the thread.

If it's happening to me it will happen to others and your threading feature will be for naught. If it matters, I am using VISTA, IE 7.0.6000.16575.

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Ok, small problem for me. I cannot log in through the main login prompts at the top of the screens (regardless of site). It just spits me back to the front page, and I'm still not logged in.

However, I can log in just fine through the comments login.

Second, when will old blog posts and comments appear? I understand it's a database conversion, but it's been a couple days now.

Third, can we get a link with the main sections for Reader Blogs?

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Ok, small problem for me. I cannot log in through the main login prompts at the top of the screens (regardless of site). It just spits me back to the front page, and I'm still not logged in.

However, I can log in just fine through the comments login.

Second, when will old blog posts and comments appear? I understand it's a database conversion, but it's been a couple days now.

Third, can we get a link with the main sections for Reader Blogs?

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Ok, small problem for me. I cannot log in through the main login prompts at the top of the screens (regardless of site). It just spits me back to the front page, and I'm still not logged in.

However, I can log in just fine through the comments login.

Second, when will old blog posts and comments appear? I understand it's a database conversion, but it's been a couple days now.

Third, can we get a link with the main sections for Reader Blogs?

Fourth, this will be the fifth time I've tried posting this comment. The site loads up quickly, but comments and blog posts just sits there in "Waiting for tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com..." mode.

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Test test testing

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OK test again. This "After submitting a comment it may take several minutes to appear. " is going to make things very FUBAR

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Reporting the same problem as Eric Stepp (see above) that the log-in box at the top of the page does not work, not a single time I've tried it. The log-in box on comments on a single thread works every time. This is not a big deal for me as I know what I have to do. But it doesn't strike me as a good operating method that customers have to find the secret log-in box. They might decide to just lurk rather than bother to figure it out. Just sayin

Also I do not stay logged in, it seems to time out or something and I have seen others complaining about this on other threads.

P.S. got an error message trying to post this comment:

Connection error: Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.132' (111) at lib/MT/ObjectDriver/Driver/DBD/mysql.pm line 49
at lib/MT/ObjectDriver/Driver/DBD/mysql.pm line 49

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Persistent login problems may be associated with cookie clash. Clearing loses other logins, though, so I'm hoping it settles out.

I get kicked out randomly, when changing pages, or sometimes when trying to post.

Earlier, I had reported that my problems getting site wide login appeared to have been resolved, and in fact it still seems ok. Unfortunately, that post never appeared, and that was 2 to 3 hours ago.

Now, I just attempted to post to a thread at TPM ElectionCentral about James Dobson's threat not to vote for John McCain if he's the Republican nominee. When I hit 'Send', the system went into an extended wait period of a couple of minutes, then returned the following error message:

"The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request."

I hope this post gets through.

addendum: When I tried to post the above note, it returned an error message that said 'registration required' I am a registered user. I was logged in when I sent the post. I had to log in again to try and send this. I hope it works, because if not, I give up and will just read for a while.

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I've just made it over after the Big Change, and I must agree with some of the comments upstream. Big question though: where are the discussion tables?

This is sheer incompetence. You all should be uttery embarrassed. I once posted that it was way past time to have this all sorted out. Well, obviously, it way past the way past time.

For the record, I click on a "reader's post" and it won't come up. This is in addition to all that is stated above. Ridiculous.

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so! it wasn't just me! hahahahaha

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