America Diminished
My New America Foundation colleague Parag Khanna has a vital article out today in the New York Times Magazine titled "Waving Goodbye to Hegemony."
While scenarios of the world's geostrategic and geopolitical future are proliferating today not only i Khanna's essay but in other provocative articles like "After Iraq" by Jeffrey Goldberg, Khanna's comprehensive approach to the question of America's future makes a great deal of sense to me.
What I like most is that he articulates what I've been sensing for some time in the global marketplace of power. Other nations aren't going to count on America's guarantees quite as much as before. They are filling the void of America's perceived decline with their own plans and pretensions and gambling that tomorrow's future will be far more fluid than yesterday's -- and that some of America's allies and foes will be able to surf this lack of global equilibrium into a better position.
Khanna perceptively writes:
At best, America's unipolar moment lasted through the 1990s, but that was also a decade adrift. The post-cold-war "peace dividend" was never converted into a global liberal order under American leadership.So now, rather than bestriding the globe, we are competing -- and losing -- in a geopolitical marketplace alongside the world's other superpowers: the European Union and China. This is geopolitics in the 21st century: the new Big Three. Not Russia, an increasingly depopulated expanse run by Gazprom.gov; not an incoherent Islam embroiled in internal wars; and not India, lagging decades behind China in both development and strategic appetite. The Big Three make the rules -- their own rules -- without any one of them dominating. And the others are left to choose their suitors in this post-American world.
The more we appreciate the differences among the American, European and Chinese worldviews, the more we will see the planetary stakes of the new global game. Previous eras of balance of power have been among European powers sharing a common culture. The cold war, too, was not truly an "East-West" struggle; it remained essentially a contest over Europe. What we have today, for the first time in history, is a global, multicivilizational, multipolar battle.
I particularly liked Khanna's treatment of trends in Asia:
Without firing a shot, China is doing on its southern and western peripheries what Europe is achieving to its east and south. Aided by a 35 million-strong ethnic Chinese diaspora well placed around East Asia’s rising economies, a Greater Chinese Co-Prosperity Sphere has emerged.Like Europeans, Asians are insulating themselves from America's economic uncertainties. Under Japanese sponsorship, they plan to launch their own regional monetary fund, while China has slashed tariffs and increased loans to its Southeast Asian neighbors. Trade within the India-Japan-Australia triangle -- of which China sits at the center -- has surpassed trade across the Pacific.
At the same time, a set of Asian security and diplomatic institutions is being built from the inside out, resulting in America's grip on the Pacific Rim being loosened one finger at a time. From Thailand to Indonesia to Korea, no country -- friend of America's or not -- wants political tension to upset economic growth. To the Western eye, it is a bizarre phenomenon: small Asian nation-states should be balancing against the rising China, but increasingly they rally toward it out of Asian cultural pride and an understanding of the historical-cultural reality of Chinese dominance.
And in the former Soviet Central Asian countries -- the so-called Stans -- China is the new heavyweight player, its manifest destiny pushing its Han pioneers westward while pulling defunct microstates like Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, as well as oil-rich Kazakhstan, into its orbit. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization gathers these Central Asian strongmen together with China and Russia and may eventually become the "NATO of the East."
Khanna's depiction of what is coming next is essential reading and gives one an informed snapshot of the mess that America will have in tomorrow's world.
Much of what Khanna describes would have happened over time regardless of the failure of both President Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to put America on a more enlightened and constructive track at the end of the Cold War. But as Charles Kupchan, author of The End of the American Era: US Foreign Policy and the Geopolitics of the Twenty-First Century, has told me many times -- "President Bush sped up history and made what would have taken a couple of decades happen in just a few years."
For those who want more, I highly recommend Parag Khann's book which will be out in March, The Second World: Empires and Influence in the New Global Order
-- Steve Clemons is Senior Fellow and Director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation and publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note


Comments (92)
I can't say that I like your headline.
America is only diminished by the end of its hegemony, if one believes that our worth as a nation is to be judged by our dominance of others.
I'm sure that's not what you mean, but that's how it comes across to me.
But more to the point, I'm highly skeptical of the whole notion of a "global liberal order."
What does that even mean?
We have a hard enough time even addressing health care issues and raging deficits, the notion of trying to forge a global order of any kind seems like huge overreach.
But why is this even desirable for America or the world?
January 27, 2008 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure that's not what you [Steve Clemmons] mean . . . .
I'm sure that's exactly what he means.
Our foreign policy wags cannot imagine an America that fails to lead the community of nations, and to the extent that it shares that leadership with other countries America is, in their minds, "diminished." To hold any less arrogant idea is, in their word of dismissal, to be -- unserious.
January 27, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I freely admit that I would prefer my country to lead, simply because in theory I can influence it's policy more and because on some level I see Asian domination as having some non-liberal democratic streaks and I worry about that.
One of the big things I hold against the Bushes, and most Democrats to be honest. But I've detailed my theories of power elsewhere.
Just put me in charge I know I could do better than Bush.
January 28, 2008 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I too dislike the headline, but can accept it if the article points to a continued desire for American control of things it cannot control. The idea of continuing hegemony in a multipolar world reminds me of Colonel Blimp sipping his pink gin and dismissing the "bloody wogs", and not having discussed the matter with Dr. William Brydon.
I agree with Common Dreamer that there are immediate problems to address domestically. At the same time, there needs to be thoughtful addressing of global issues, especially those that deal with trade, resources, and a twisted "brain drain" based on offshoring. As to the latter, the history of science and technology shows that the greater the number of qualified people working on problems, the more society tends to benefit.
That doesn't mean moving research labs to Beijing. It means having a research lab in the US, or, as mine had been, with a manager in Ottawa but most participants in the US, and some in Sweden. The Swedish lab also closed down, in the short-sighted view of corporations and shareholders that cutting costs are more important than innovation.
Forgive me if I'm wandering into something that should be in my own blog post, but I see danger in what may be a dumbing-down of America, and a climate that makes innovation more and more difficult. Some of the best work has been done in small business; Cisco is a dominant technology company, but it probably puts a good deal more money into acquiring small business with great technology than it does in creating it. The double whammy of health care and capital concentration makes it more and more difficult for Americans, Americans who learned the lessons of the dot-com crash, to start innovative businesses.
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Howard
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 27, 2008 7:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Could rewarding wealth instead of work be involved?
If income is not heavily taxed, but large capital profits are, both individuals and companies will tend to emphasize gaining and keeping a foothold in skill and expertise, since these attributes can't be replaced easily, or at all.
Some other countries are emphasizing, and investing in exactly such skill sets. Here we emphasize MBA prgrams and getting a job with a hedge fund (i.e. Chelsea C.). Worth pointing out that the finance sector is really just another service sector job, until you get lucky and grab some dough for yourself.
In principle one can build a bridge or grow a crop without currency. But you can't have a currency without the goods and labor it represents.
We have been seduced by the easy life of a ruling class. Unfortunately, the ruled have lost interest in being such.
January 27, 2008 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
We have been seduced by the easy life of a ruling class.
Is in not,”We have been mislead and abused by the power and greed of a ruling class"?
We discuss the puppets of the elites and powerful but we do not get above the puppet politicians for the most part here at the TpmCafe. Go to some of the longitudinal studies of the "Powerful and Influential" and how things work in the geographical areas studied. If lucky, one may even find a series on your own local geographic area. There are also some for our country and groups of countries describing how the elite and their interactions and use of power as a group use power. Go to local or state universitie and ask if a study has been done for your area or state.
If you do not understand the interplay of the elites on our lives responding to this enemy is like an army firing the cannons without a target or using a spotter to direct fire!
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January 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the article is a fairly dispassionate analysis of the current situation. Its thesis is more like "America's hegemony is over, let's do our best to adapt to the new situation".
January 28, 2008 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
..the distribution of power in the world has fundamentally altered over the two presidential terms of George W. Bush, both because of his policies and, more significant, despite them.
The opinions of a senior research fellow who equivocates (because...despite) on the impact of the two disastrous terms of George W. Bush, is a fellow who has little grip on what has happened the last seven years.
January 27, 2008 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
RogerGathman
The end of American hegemony can't come too soon, if you ask me. It is perhaps the only chance for the American working and middle class to regain their power - a power that has been systematically smashed to preserve a structure of unsustainable inequality, a structure that freezes social mobility, a structure that has de-manufactured America and would like to operate, now, on the 'entitlements' that created and still sustain the American middle class. This couldn't have been done without ramping up military spending and using a sort of darkside Keynesian policy, substituting easy credit for real wage gains. The result is a country that largely borrows its raises - taps the mortgage on the ever inflating price of the house it lives in to pay for larger things uncounted in the inflation statistics, like health care and education - and has so adapted to overwork that it doesn't know what to do with its free time anymore. I know - let's shop!
This is not a country that is pursuing happiness, but a country of managed obsession compulsion in which an odd ideology - altruistic greed - reigns supreme. The people on the bottom altruistically support the economic structures that make the greedy people on the top infinitely richer, defending this on idealistic grounds of self-reliance and the like - laughable concepts when one looks realistically at how the top five percent makes its money. An America that no longer had a military edge to make up for its debts would have to go back to savings - and that America would look much different. It would bring vividly into focus the inequality that has been casually assumed by the American public, and we would have to ask whether this is really what we want out of this republic. I don't think we do.
January 27, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a very important subject that should ideally be part of the national political discourse. A better title to Steve's piece would be 'American hegemony diminished'. We should see this a a wonderful opportunity for America, not a setback. We are a great nation. Our strength lies in our naturally endowed wealth, to be sure, but also in the institutions and culture we have built. The US remains, a will so for some time unless we allow it to degrade, the leading center of science and engineering with its great universities and a national laboratories both private and public. Our entertainment industry projects positive American values internationally. We continue to have the best hospitals and to lead in medical research. In addition, our democratic institutions and beautiful multicultural society should continue to inspire the rest of the world.
What is detracting from achieving these potentials is that militarism has become a dominant force in this country. We have become the world's worst aggressor intervening in the internal affairs of other nations. This effort at international control is bankrupting this country. This is the opportunity that we face. Why don't we use our resources to do what we do best and let the rest of the world solve their own internal political contradictions. Our resources can be used to create more economic equality within the US and even to see that the great health care system that we have built is available to all of our citizens.
I think most understand what would be required to achieve these ends. The US must begin to give up its global military presence with its 800 bases and to begin reducing the size of our military. Let us recognize that our borders are secure, there is no power on earth that can challenge us in North America, but also recognize that we cannot secure the borders of every nation on earth unless we want to end up in bankruptcy.
January 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
syvanen wrote: but also in the institutions and culture we have built. The US remains, a will so for some time unless we allow it to degrade, the leading center of science and engineering with its great universities and a national laboratories both private and public. Our entertainment industry projects positive American values internationally. We continue to have the best hospitals and to lead in medical research. In addition, our democratic institutions and beautiful multicultural society
Not sure where you live but what you describe is not the America I live in. It's hospitals kill people, our health care is even worse than Cuba's and they don't deny care to anyone.
As for our culture, it is the singularly most rude, racist, and mediocre of any nation on the planet.
You remind me of a person I met just the other day who says that America is the BEST and he absolutely will NOT hear anything different.
Your kind of sunshine is not the kind we need.
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January 27, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I accept that our health care does not provide service to all of our citizens. That is a given. But we do have the best health care in the world and we must work to see that all of our citizens enjoy the level of care that the top 50% have.
As to our culture, I still believe that we have a very healthy and vibrant citizenry. Of course, any one who listens to the radio can hear the racism and mediocrity that you mention. But I do not think that is America.
January 27, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, any one who listens to the radio can hear the racism and mediocrity that you mention. But I do not think that is America.
What is it, Canada?
January 27, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
touche'
January 27, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you base this on?
But we do have the best health care in the world and we must work to see that all of our citizens enjoy the level of care that the top 50% have.
First of all, we are below Costa Rica in longevity. Have you bothered to read any of the evaluations of national health care systems? We are FAR from the best, and even if that 50% that you note was healthier than all the other nations, the fact that so many are left out puts us farther down the list.
I have a shocking piece of news for you:
THE US IS NOT THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD; IT DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE, IT HAS ONE OF THE WORST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AND IT BARELY HAS A FREAKING DEMOCRACY!
By the way, we are the only country in the world that has dropped a nuclear bomb on civilian (or any other, for that matter) targets. We invaded and occupied a country that was no threat to us, and we all know it but don't hold those who lied us into it accountable because the subject is OFF THE TABLE!
Oh, I give up!
Jan
January 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't give up, Jan. You are on the nose...with just a bit of interpolation. America's health system IS the best in the world -- for the wealthy who can afford it.
January 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. But we do have best hospital and health care system for those who can afford it. I know. I belong to that system. We now have to make it available to the rest of the public.
January 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. But the topic of discussion is the current situation, not what Shangri-la we may inhabit some day in the future.
January 28, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: It's hospitals kill people, our health care is even worse than Cuba's
There's absolutely nothing wrong with America's healthcare as such. It's first-rate. The problems are all with the payment system. As the saying goes, we have the best healthcare system in the world-- if you can afford it.
January 28, 2008 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really? So cutting edge high end health care is on a par with the technology and sophistication of a Japan, or a France, or a Germany?
Don't think so.
But you know, maybe there's a way to draw a circle around whatever you've got to claim its a bulls eye.
January 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: So cutting edge high end health care is on a par with the technology and sophistication of a Japan, or a France, or a Germany?
Don't think so.
Apparently we live in different universes then. Technologically there is absolutely nothing amiss with US healthcare. We have all the gee-whiz fancy gizmos, miracle drugs and high tech procedures they have anywhere else on the planet. Can you name something like that you can't get (for any price) in the US that you can get in some other country? But we do have a very big problem with the fact that far too many people are priced out our healthcare system and receive, at best, substandard care.
January 29, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you checked?
Besides, you've just adjusted your position from being the best, to being as good as the best anywhere else.
January 29, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently my question is not to be answered: what high tech dugs/procedures/tests are not available in the US because the technology is lacking?
January 30, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
For example, I am reluctant to shut down a base that is truly for intelligence collection (i.e., not covert action), because properly used intelligence will, some of the time, tell where a smaller military may have a real task. Some of the receiving sites for intelligence collecting satellites are in obscure places, often dictated by the geometry of the orbit, and also security in receiving the information in a place where other countries can't listen.
There are some military missions often not discussed. As a serious question to the original poster, do you consider Noncombatant Evacuation Operations a legitimate role for the US military? Typically, that mission falls to one of the Marine units afloat. When there is a civil war or revolution in a country, and a unit is within reasonable range, they will typically fly a strong defensive unit to the US Embassy grounds, and fly out US and allied citizens. Sometimes, the scale of the evacuation is such that helicopters alone do not have the capacity, and, if it is necessary to use fixed-wing aircraft, it becomes necessary to have a secure airport. If the nation involves controls its airport, that's fine, but if it isn't, it may be necessary to seize it for the duration of the evacuation.
I'm very carefully talking about evacuation here, not trying to bring order to something like the Rwanda explosion of one-at-a-time genocide. That would take a much larger force, and create a probable quagmire.
As the real world works, there have been cases where there is more than one simultaneous NEO needed; this happened in May and August 1996, first in Liberia and then the Central African Republic. Liberia is coastal, the CAR is not and presents a difficult problem. The way the CAR situation was handled by the then-European Command putting together an ad hoc force, since many of its troops were on coalition operations in the Balkans.
So, is NEO a proper role? Is a proper role being in coalition operations, possibly as one of the "door-kicking" missions that only a few nations can execute, and then be followed by other militaries, perhaps handing off peace enforcement to them?
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 28, 2008 6:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess I am opposed to these kinds of humanitarian interventions that you describe. The reason being that though the immediate goal sounds reasonable, it allows our imperialistic interveners to get a foot in the door and to then pursue their real agenda. Remember Thomas Friedman supported the war in Iraq as a means to spread liberal values -- we all know how the oil interests ran with that one.
January 28, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a little unclear if you are referring to NEO or coalition operations as "humanitarian". NEOs, by definition, are limited term ways to evacuate US (and sometimes allied) citizens when all other means of transportation are shut down. In some cases, the last troops leaving may blow up US facilities. How do you fit "imperialistic interveners" into that?
In like manner,if there is a coalition operation, under UN or the thing I really prefer, regional organization auspices. For example, there is much emoting about the US doing "something" in Darfur, although I can't think of a meaningful role beyond what is being done: providing transport airlift for African Union personnel and equipment from Nigeria into Darfur. Since El Fasher airport, in Darfur, has no refueling facilities, the plane has to carry round-trip fuel, and turns around as fast as possible.
I don't see where you are getting imperialist intervention out of this, or any relationship between NEOs & coalition support and Iraq. I get a sense, and may indeed be wrong, that you are opposed to anything military except a response to direct attack on American soil -- which, by international law, is exactly what an American embassy is considered.
To me, a proper approach is to get rid of the imperialistic interveners, not reasonable capabilities of protecting citizens. I haven't, for that matter, seen how the oil interests benefit from Iraq.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 28, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The US has been getting involved in too may wars that are really not our business. They include:
Beirut 1982
Serbia 1999
Somalia 1990
Iraq 2003
Plus our interventions in central America (1980-1995) in El Savadore, Hounorus, Nicaruagua and Guatamla (with the about 500 thousand deaths) plus the attacks against Panama and Grenada.
This record makes me very suspicious about our intentions when we send our troops to engage in 'humanitarian' interventions.
January 28, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
We aren't talking about the same thing; I never used the term "humanitarian." I'd appreciate it if you would answer direct questions.
First, I talked about Noncombatant Evacuation Operations (NEO). The examples I gave were for Liberia and the Central African Republic in 1996. The force came in, secured the embassy, evacuated US citizens, and left a short time later.
Second, Beirut, Serbia, and Somalia were, respectively, UN, NATO, and UN operations. Are you opposed to the use of US forces in multinational coalition? A "no" is fine, but please don't change the subject to "intentions" and "humanitarian". The two UN operations were disastrous, but I see no imperialism in them.
You make a legitimate argument for Central America, which, in some of the cases, involved criminality in circumventing Congress.
Grenada is definitely more complex, but I cannot see imperialist aspects; US forces were there for a short period of time and then were gone. The operation was not carried out well, but did have, as one of its goals, the recovery of US students. I make no argument that the action was also to stop Cuban expansion.
Panama also involved hazards to US citizens. The US had numerous forces in Panama on a long-term basis, such as Southern Command, but these have steadily been moving out. In this specific case, there was a strategic issue involved: the Panama Canal.
So far, I'm hearing a generalized "military bad". Would you care to be more specific, and respond to what I actually said?
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 29, 2008 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't answer your question directly because the examples you gave seemed to be trivial nitpicking. These NEO operations are a tiny fraction of US military capacity. Why are we spending over 1 trillion dollars on our military this year? This cannot be justified by the operations that you mention. Britain and France seem to be involved in these kinds of operations frequently and they seem to do it well with a military that is much much smaller than ours.
Grenada happens to be a perfect example for my point. Granadians pick a government we dissapprove of. We invade and arrest that government, set up one that we approve of and, after we are satisfied, the military leaves. Every Granadian gets the message -- do not upset the US or our military will return. That is imperialistic behavior. We do not need an occupying army in every subject country to achieve our ends.
January 29, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
They aren't nitpicking when they are intended to be rather noncontroversial examples of what a military should be able to do. In all sincerity, I'd like to hear a statement of the roles and missions you consider appropriate to a military. If you prefer, I'll start with the ground-based midcourse defense system against ICBMs, for which there are cost estimates in the tens of billions. I can easily list a series of national vulnerabilities, such as the North American electrical grid or in the chemical industry, that are seriously vulnerable to accident or to deliberate attack. I'd move the money there, if there were a way to do it. If North Korea, for example, were to try to hit a target such as Guam, the missiles would never show up on the Alaskan radar, much less be within intercept geometry -- the curvature of the earth gets in the way.
A very large part of the current military spending, as I'm sure you know, is Iraq, as ill-advised an operation as the US has undertaken. Afghanistan was more complex and more justified.
Things get more complex, however, when considering things like theater ballistic missile defense, the two deployed systems of which, as opposed to the national BMD systems, have reasonable records of working in tests. TBMD could protect an outlying territory such as Guam. More importantly, it can be used to control, near the source, a problem like North Korea, including Japan protecting itself.
Britain and France have been enlarging their forces, both building carriers although stretching their resources. It was amazing that Britain was able to recover the Falklands, and if either carrier had been lost, the expedition would have lost.
I absolutely agree there have been some imperialistic actions, but in many cases, these actions, whether by large military forces or by covert action, were ordered by the White House. As with the Gulf of Tonkin, a war can be ordered on outright lies.
We do not have an occupying army in every country. I still would like to hear a reasonable set of roles and missions. There are such planning documents, although they have become more classified over the years (e.g., "maintain defense against the Warsaw Pact while able to fight 2 major regional contingencies").
What roles and missions would you recommend to the planning of a new Democratic administration?
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
“I still would like to hear a reasonable set of roles and missions.”
I would too. Could you help out with that. What roles and missions would you recommend to the planning of a new Democratic administration?
January 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't throw out an instant list, although some discussion might be useful, in this post or elsewhere. There's a lot of intelligence functions that would go along with this, as well as logistics, engineering, etc.
Here's a start, off the top of my head:
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Howard
January 29, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have thrown out quite a list. Something for me to sink my teeth into.
You seem to support star wars. Pure boondoggle, waste of money, cancel it. I thought you were more sensible than believing in this nonsense.
Most of the military needs that you list seem to be because of other countries objecting to our intrusive military presence. If we withdrew from, for example, Iraq then we wouldn't have to deal with insurgents shooting at our soldiers. This is pretty simple. It also applies to Afghanistan.
your point 8. I agree. Bet we could do that for about 50 billion dollars each year.
9.OK
10. Not a good idea. As long as we maintain that capability we will use it. As Albright said, why have this big military if we don't use it. The US won WWII. We did not maintain a capability to fight wars on that scale. When it was needed we built it, today we don't need it so don't.
11. Yes. That would be zero American troops.
12. Real bad idea. The only sensible move is to withdraw from US bases in Korea, Japan and Okinawa. Maintaining this forward presence increases the risk of the US blundering into another Asian war are even starting one. Right now the danger spot is Taiwan. We should just recognize the reality, not just the words, of the one-China-policy and accept that we will never go to war to prevent reunification. Having all of those forward Asian bases will tempt some future President to go to war against China if they finally decide to reunify by force.
Since I don't know what TBD means it is unclear what your other points mean. But you should get my general flavor. BTW, I am quite aware that these ideas are way outside of the mainstream even inside the Democratic Party. I think it will probably require some extremely dramatic event, either military defeat or more likely a financial crises that bankrupts this country and forces retrenchmentbecause there is no money to do otherwise. However, I think these things should be discussed since if one of the two crises does come to pass, it would also set the stage for even more militarism.
January 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Theater ballistic missile defense, using PAC-3, SM-3, and possibly Arrow, does appear to work and has several stabilizing applications.]
TBD is To Be Determined. These are not things that can be determined without serious analysis. You seem to be missing the coalition references in many of those situations, and assuming unilateral US activity.
The initial attack on the Taliban was necessary. Attacking Iraq, however, made no sense on its own, and also interfered with finishing the key mission in Iraq. IIRC, there are 40,000 troops in Afghanistan, a significant number of which are from other NATO countries. What is your position on regional alliances>
I'm getting a little concerned that we may not be communicating. If TBD isn't familiar, my guess would be you haven't read much military literature. I'm also confused is how you associate #10, air strikes, with "big military". An appropriate air action need not have any troops on the ground, and some have had significant benefit.
The idea about "other countries objecting" also seems a little odd, when something like training is in the list, and most things are posed in terms of coalition warfare. Your point that the US won WWII is incorrect; WWII was won by coalitions. The difficulty of building when you need it, with present technology and skills, means at least 2-5 years to get a proficient force.
I have yet to hear your definition of adequately sized military, other than it's now too big. I also get a sense of your not wanting any foreign deployments for any reason. Is this true? If not, a reality is that for anything forward deployed, there needs to be at least two of it in rotation.
Again, I don't know how you are using "militarism". -- Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
January 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some aspects of Reagan's aspirations are hopeless; others are wholly achievable. Many arguments around it have more to do with countermeasures than the performance of the main system. The best argument against the ur-Star wars was it could be overwhelmed by a capable opponent. So it was too little, too soon, against the USSR.
The best argument in favor of theater defense is that it is deployed against a limited enemy deployment. Saddam had a limited number of Scuds, in 1991, so Patriots stood a chance of catching some missiles, which they did.
Another achievable defense is point defense of land-based ballistic missiles. When you know where a missile is going to land you can arrange for a hail of upward-moving lead, like the close-in ship defense system, Phalanx, which also works pretty well.
What you will never get is a truly impermeable shield, and the reprehensible activity of Reagan's SDI boosters was to imply that was achievable, and of course humane. It was neither, since true invulnerability would enable attack without MAD.
As to size, we don't have a large standing army. We hope to make do with fancy hardware. This works for attack, but not for holding territory. That requires lots of boots. The large costs we see can be partly assigned to weapons sytems, which do not have to be pursued, perhaps. These include the large-ship Navy, lots of aircraft, and surveillance satellites. Some items, like large artillery, seem to miss the point, and have only a few generals pulling for them.
January 29, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
As you knows, "Star Wars" is very different than TBMD. There are aspects of TBMD, unfortunately, that are not well known. The strongest operational TBMD system in the world is Israel, with Arrow interceptors operating above the atmosphere and PAC-3 within it. The existence of that system, presumably with early warning from US DSP satellites (although Israel is capable of building and launching such satellites) makes the hysteria about Iran even more ludicrous. For that matter, the Israelis have been working on other systems, more for light rocket intercept, but still capable of point defense. For reasons I don't understand, they have stopped development of systems that could have a significant capability against the rockets from the territories. Yes, it would be expensive -- but how expensive is the existing situation?
North Korean missile ambitions may also have been controlled by the early deployment of US and Japanese AEGIS-equipped destroyers, which, given the location of the North Korean facilities, might have been able to hit a missile in the boost phase. We are upgrading the Japanese Kondo-class (a Burke Flight I copy) destroyers to be TBMD capable, and also providing PAC-3 for the Japanese mainland.
Other TBMD scenarios are possible, such as stabilizing India-Pakistan, with TBMD being one aspect of a second-strike capability. That may not be full MAD, but it is a reasonable approximation.
Especially in coalition operations, lots of boots are not needed. Assume, hypothetically, that Iraq 2003 made sense. The US forces took down the Iraqi military quite quickly. Had there been a pan-Arab force to take over, with the US pulling back (perhaps leaving some reaction force), the resentment to "Infidel" imperialists might not have been an issue.
I can see reductions in some type of aircraft, and the Navy is reorienting away from ships that seemed appropriate for the Cold War. As far as surveillance satellites, I would hesitate to cut -- but there have been some bad decisions made, as with the Future Imagery Architecture. Even with FIA, there was some avoiding of stovepiping, so you didn't need separate ELINT, IMINT, and COMINT birds in the same orbit. Alternatively, the mini-satellite constellation (French Essiam, IIRC) may be a better way to go, with lots of small specialized satellites, launched in appreciable numbers by a single booster rocket.
There is a rather intense, behind-the-scenes debate about the missions for special operations forces. Rumsfeld appeared to overemphasize the "door-kicking" direct action missions over the unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, and special reconnaissance.
It also gets lost that much as he wanted, you can't rapidly expand SOF and keep quality. When language training takes 3-13 months, and some of the skill courses (e.g., Special Forces medic) are about a year, and there is a high washout rate, you aren't going to have a huge pool to draw from. Rumsfeld had a lot of fantasies about force transformation, a few of which made sense, but many of which are showing as disastrous.
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January 29, 2008 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boots are needed. but need not be all ours. Agreed. Was discussing force levels absent allies.
January 29, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not according to whathisname at MIT. He concluded that we missed every time. This was just one big military snow job to show the voters that we had this wonderful weapon and their money was well spent. One big fraud. Also those experiments showing us shooting missiles out of the sky were also highly biased. (for example, putting tracking devices on the incoming missiles so the antimissile could see it). Very very bogus.
Millions of Americans believe this junk, that is why today annual total military expenditures have exceeded $1 trillion. It is very depressing to see what sound like intelligent people vigorously arguing for ruinous military spending because of a life time of being exposed to our military culture.
January 29, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Defense contractors are of course notorious for setting up impressive demonstrations. But can you assert, with a straight face, that intercepting a missile is impossible? Hard, yes. So was flying, at first.
Might have more impact if you could track down whatshisname. My understanding is that view is not consensus, even among critics.
You must have heard the phrase "power vacuum". That would result if we dialed back military presence. We certainly can't do many of the things people wish we could with military power. But we will not reduce suddenly or dramatically, so you might as well start thinking about achievable and likely changes.
January 29, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you will find that there may, indeed, have been rigging -- almost certainly -- with the NBMD systems. I have seen enough technical detail to believe that the current TBMD systems work. They are not perfect, but have a good chance of working.
I can give a fairly detailed account of what was wrong with the TBMD in Iraq, which was not the PAC-3. Did you want to discuss the issue with the timers on the multiple track management software?
It would be unfortunate if people were categorized as "vigorously arguing for ruinous military spending because of a life time of being exposed to our military culture," if that translates to knowing the capabilities, limitations, and design issues in a system, where someone who is politically pure is above looking at such trivia. Let me assure you that I source more specifically than whatshisname. Why, incidentally, is whatshisname right, in your opinion, other than he is saying what you want to hear? Now, I believe most defensive shots, with a modified PAC-2 in Iraq, missed the warheads of SCUDs. That's also technology that is about 17 years old, and there's quite a bit of open literature discussion -- admittedly in engineering forums -- of what and why went wrong, and how to fix it.
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January 29, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK you ridicule my use of 'whathisname'. I assumed that if you were as knowledgeable as you present yourself that you would know who I was referring to. His name is Postol. It took me about 15 sec with google to find it.
It seems to me that you are willing to accept the words of the US military that is consuming trillions of dollars of our nation's wealth as opposed to independent scientist who have analyzed the primary data. The military in this country is leading us to bankruptcy.
January 29, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ridicule? I'm knowledgeable enough to have been reading multiple sources since the issue first came up; Postol is not the only person who has been discussing it. IIRC, I first saw it on ACM Risks Digest in the early nineties, and it was hardly "accept the word of the US military". It was a fairly detailed analysis of what went wrong. Postol's first paper was in 1992, but it was largely dependent on video tapes of the engagements, and the software, at that point, had not been fully analyzed. As he wrote to John Conyers,
Nothing there about clock drift in the tracking computer software, is there? Perhaps he rushed to judgment, from video of high-speed engagements, when engineers were still trying to understand the internal computer logs?
The Patriot missile system uses a relatively new mechanism called track-by-missile. That means that there is an active radar in the missile itself, which sends back to the control station, but there is also a ground radar that tracks the missile and the target.
To increase the number of targets that the ground radar can follow, it is switched from region to region of the sky, to some extent relying on the radar in the missile for a double check. There was a bug in a software clock in the ground radar system of the PAC-2 system, which, in any event, was an antiaircraft system that had been quickly modified to give it some antimissile capability. Since the PAC-2 was designed for aircraft speed and relatively long range, when the slightly drifting clock rescanned the area where the interceptor and target were supposed to be (and were, but the clock was off), the control computer said "No target? Must have been a false signal. I'll flush that entire engagement from my memory."
Unfortunately, this clock drift only became significant when tracking system had been left on for a significant period of time, which was the case when a particular battery ignored the SCUD that hit the barracks. The problem wasn't immediately recognized because other stations had not kept their computer continuously powered, so the clock drift did not accumulate long enough to cause the target to be lost.
In the current PAC-3, optimized for antimissile use, the engagement ranges are considerably shorter than for antiaircraft engagement, but, due to the greater speed of the target, there's approximately the same intercept window. The specific software clock issue also has been fixed.
Other technical fixes addressed the specific problem of the SCUD derivatives that were especially unstable and broke into several pieces, essentially creating decoys. That is the part on which Postol commented, rather than the broader problem of clock drift causing loss of synchronization between the missile and ground radars. That was a distinct bug.
The mistargeting was a different problem with a different fix. In general terms, PAC-3 now engages multiple plausible targets, subject to decoy discrimination software. Decoy discrimination is one of the more highly classified aspects of any air defense system, and I can talk about Patriot only because I've never seen any of the classified logic, but I understand the general problem from work with other missile systems.
Well, that which seems gullibility to you seems to be your prejudice to me. What you describe as "primary data" has been available for years, but, as it is, I've simplified it considerably. The software problem, offhand, was discussed, at length, by the Association for Computing Machinery RISKS mailing list, the Armed Forces Communications Electronics Association, an assortment of technical mailing lists and newsgroups, and, IIRC, congressional testimony. I'd estimate the "primary data", or at least the summaries of the engagements, were available in unclassified technical forums before 1995.
I suppose I must be brainwashed because I actually looked at the data, waiting somewhat for the software analysis, rather than leaping to judgment as did Postol. ACM Risks Digest specializes in the description and analysis of software bugs of all types, but especially dealing with real-time and safety-critical systems.
Want to reevaluate who is and is not knowledgeable here? After all, I was able to describe the problem itself, not someone's general interpretation of it. As it is, I've simplified the issues, because I didn't think a page of equations would really be useful at TPMcafe.
Incidentally, as far as the military bankrupting us, if there were no war whatsoever, are you certain Bush and Cheney wouldn't find other ways to bankrupt the general American, such as corporate tax breaks on offshoring?
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Howard
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January 29, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK you do seem to know Postlol's work. Before you pretended not to know. I am beginning to question your objectivity. So you say:
Well if it was available for years why did you ridicule my reference to 'whathisname'. I was just operating from memory. You should have known exactly what I was talking about. But no. You insist that I provide the reference. When I do you immediately begin to discredit Postol as if you knew who I talking about initially.
The military industrial complex is deeply ingrained in our society; why do you keep on defending that system.
January 29, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
See below for wider margins.
January 30, 2008 6:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Starting anew with a full width screen; see below.
January 30, 2008 6:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, but driving up the oil prices fivefold or so might benefit the oil interests just a little bit...
January 29, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Starting anew with a full width screen; see below. hcberkowitz
Why not keep it attached? Or start a separate blog entry and link/reference to it? Of course, there is the anxiety of wondering whether anyone would follow you there, but then, that's the mystery, the challenge, and the thrill of great leadership.
January 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
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January 28, 2008 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The atmosphere created by the national discussion on immigration has also contributed to this trend. We are projecting an image of xenophobia and culural intolerance if not rascism. The religousity of much of our national dialogue (such as the Huckabee phenomena) also is unwelcoming to potential students and scholars from nonreligious societies, such as Europe, and societies with other religions.
January 28, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Re: The religousity of much of our national dialogue (such as the Huckabee phenomena) also is unwelcoming to potential students and scholars
Oh good grief this is simply silly! The average American college or university (other than those church-affliated) is totally secularized, as much so as anything in Europe. Sure, you can find colleges where you have to go to chapel daily or sign a statement of theological conformity. but certainly not at Harvard, Stanford or any public university.
January 29, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
As someone who teaches at a major research university and have worked with many foreign nationals, I know what you are saying.
January 28, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Between the three paradigmatic concepts of hegemony (respect for other cultures and business deals (China), Transnationalism , European Union, and My Way or the Highway, Oceania (USA)) the last seems the least attractive and the least likely to gain partners around the world.
The essential point of that article is that relying on militaristic coercion, leads to opposition not submission, especially since there are other power centers to align oneself with.
We need to change our view of things, but I'm afraid that that it is too deeply engrained in our elites to be a likely thing to happen. All you have to do is look at McCain's saber rattling, 100 year war and more wars to come rhetoric, to despair.
January 27, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Khanna's piece seems to be a "dark" view, but it ends on a note of wonky optimism that is beyond my ken. At this moment we are looking into a whirlpool.
Khanna sees all sorts of ways of “managing” the world situation, but, what I believe really defines the world situation is that it is no longer manageable. It’s un-manageability is its defining characteristic.
I also think that Khanna is wrong about Russia’s situation. We are going to be looking at a world of much armed conflict actual and threatened and the Russians have very good weapons for sale. In fact they are the only ones that provide antiaircraft systems of a quality that can neutralize the US air force’s superiority. Thus anyone who would like to be independent of US intimidation only has Russia as an alternative. Iran is an obvious case in point.
I would imagine that Russia’s population will increase as the oil and gas money continues to filter through their society. They also have a fair base in pure science as I recall and that is a real ace in the coming world, where science will have to solve so many hair raising problems. Anyway it is silly to write off any people that produced Leo Tolstoy and who drowned Adolph Hitler in their blood.
Really, what I worry most about is the effect this stomach floating drop in power, influence and ultimately standard of living, will have on the Americans themselves. There are certainly plenty of right wing demagogues around in the USA and I am worried by the idea of a “Wiemar - America”, with an apple pie version of “ve vass stabbed in der back” in the not too distant future. There may be American leaders waiting around the corner that could make Bush look good.
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January 27, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The dangers you describe are real. But it can't hurt to be optimistic. At least act as if we can improve the situation, work to reduce American militarism and then deal with reality if we fail.
January 28, 2008 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I too was wondering about Khanna's view of Russia. I'm not saying he isn't right, but at the very least Russians will not give up their imperial dreams lightly. It is true that without oil and gas, Russia would be far less influential.
I doubt Russia's population will grow anytime soon. They just aren't having that many children, and they don't like immigrants - certainly not the ones who actually might want to move to Russia.
January 28, 2008 3:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Millions of foreign workers work in Russia. When I was visiting St. Petersburg and we had excursion, of two girls who were guides one was from Western Ukraine (not the part where the majority speaks Russian). I think Russia discourages immigration from China.
Of course, Russia without oil, gas and nukes would be less influential, but it does have them. There is also interesting dynamics between China, Russia, Iran and India, with all four having strategic and economic stake in ejecting American influence from the core of Asian continent.
January 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't read the whole article, but if what you've excerpted is a decent flavor of what to expect, I am a little concerned.
My first observation is the characterization of the European Union as some sort of monolithic new superpower, which always strikes me as inaccurate.
The European Union acts as a reasonably coherent body when it comes to trade negotations. But how long can this unity last whilst trade negotiations founder against the backdrop of agricultural protectionism on which France is increasingly isolated in defending its position?
In any case, this tenuous unity is about the only proper unity that Europe tends to exhibit. Only half the members of the EU are part of the monetary union, there seems little popular appetite anywhere for greater political union, and further expansion of the EU (apart from the Balkan nations) seems a long way off because of deeply entrenched and opposing views. On defense beyond Europe's perimeter, there isn't much unity at all.
I fully accept that there are EU officials who see the EU as a "superpower", but just because they see it as such does not make it so. I view the EU as a group of countries that occasionally act co-operatively, but most of the time pursue their own interests. Their own interests are often tied up with defining relations between EU countries, and it confirms that European "hegemony" or something of that ilk is a fantasy.
Next, there's this assertion:
Development in India and China is so vastly different it defies comparison. China's leadership, so far, has staked all on manufacturing. India leadership, so far, has allowed service industries to flourish. Is India 10 years or 20 years behind China? 30? Or is is silly to imagine a any gap given standard development theory purports that India has skipped a phase and is thus already well clear of China?
Plus, India is a democracy. Maybe India has the same foreign policy conundrum as America has, that agreeing on a long-term strategy (as China has) is a heckuva lot more tricky in practice. Basically, it is wrong to assume India has a lack of strategic appetite, it just might differ depending who you speak to.
Then there's this:
First time in history? Come on. 70 years ago you had America, Germany, Japan, Russia and Britain in a major strategic battle, or do we need a reminder of how that played out?
But the bigger difficulty is that this time around it is another "battle". And particularly, a battle for what? Resources, maybe. Influence, perhaps. A level-playing field for international trade, I can grant you. But is it really a battle? It just seems a very loaded metaphor, when really the objectives aren't simply to beat Europe at X and defeat China on Y. There's jockeying and competing and co-operating and agreeing, but does anyone see open warfare? Even the ritualistic renmibi revaluation question falls well short of anything resembling open hostility.
In any case, I take it the key concern here is a decline of America's hegemony. Well, my take is that it has occurred because people are no longer as eager for their countries to be like America. To be 100% in America's camp, as was seen to be the case in the Cold War. America's warts are open to more scrutiny these days, and screwing up a la Vietnam carries more serious consequences in terms of international standing.
The question is so much less what can America do to make other countries come round to our liberal traditions, it is what will make other countries want to do so. As I see it, countries want to belong to the European common market (the difficulty is getting existing members to accept them); they want a constructive relationship with multi-billion strong China because they ultimately see this relationship as advantageous, certainly far better than being frozen out.
The question is therefore what America has to offer. Rich corporations, supported by an untrustworthy government, aggressively pursuing their self interests is how America is perceived these days. To reclaim a hegemony worth having, this perception has to change (and that might include dropping the martial imagery when it comes to international relations). Otherwise, America loses a defining battle with herself.
January 28, 2008 4:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
You underestimate the significance of the EU. First off, it is a major development that has few, if any, parallels in history. The last time Europe was unified to this extent was 5th century AD, except Roman method of unification was military conquest.
The EU both is and isn't a superpower. Yes, the member states often pursue their own interests, but if all of them speak with one voice, it is a voice that is difficult to ignore. The unity may seem tenuous, but that's only because at this point there is no one to be really united against.
If you only follow the media, you will get the impression that 90% of the EU population is against any closer integration. Once you start actually thinking about it, you quickly realize that this picture is upside down. The 'eurosceptics' are protesting loudly because that's the only thing they can do. They have no real power, and in the meantime the unification is quietly progressing simply because it makes good business sense.
By 'defense beyond Europe's perimeter' you probably mean aggression and expansionism, and it's true that most people in Europe think that after millennia of near-constant warfare it's time to give it a rest. The EU, if anything, aspires to be a trade empire - no one is interested in unnecessary wars.
Yes, right now there is very little appetite for expanding the EU further, it's certainly unlikely that any large countries would be admitted soon. But this has to be viewed in perspective. Twenty years ago, the EU had 12 member states. Five years ago, it was 15. Now it's 27. Of course the expansion can't continue at this rate.
In closing, I don't know if the tri-polar US/EU/China world is going to happen, but it doesn't sound entirely implausible to me.
January 28, 2008 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't dispute the significance of the EU; I dispute its characterization as an entity that has a single "worldview" as the article suggests.
Also, my point was that European citizens appear to be against "greater political unio