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Tim Russert, Will You Pledge

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...to ask all the Republican candidates (as you asked the Democrats) if they will pledge to cut off Federal aid to universities that bar ROTC? Will you ask them why they did not clamor for that cut-off during the years when the leader of their party was in command?

...to ask all the Republican candidates if they will pledge to cut off Federal aid to schools that teach the pseudo-science of "intelligent design"?

...to ask all the Republican candidates why they went to the mat to support a president who smiled benignly on the housing bubble?

...to ask all the Republican candidates why they went to the mat to support a president who stood by while New Orleans was drowning?

...to ask any Republican candidate besides John McCain why they have sat on their hands while the glaciers were melting?


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and then some.....

Perhaps we should address our requests for GOP questions in their next debate sponsored by NBC to Tweety, instead.

Frankly, all of the dem candidates handle themselves just fine.

Bring it on.

Similar questions need to go to Charlie Gibson of ABC. The last debate that he moderated was very similar in tone, framing every question in a GOP-friendly way.

Why not ask if they would all pledge regardless of any extenuating circumstances to fire immediately upon charges been brought against and not to pardon any member of their adminstration found guilty of a federal felony involving or related to publicly revealing the identity of a secret agent of the United States?

Or how about asking them all if they would start enforcing the immigration laws already on the books against employers who hire illegals?

Either one of them would be pretty good for starters.

Ask them to step down from office in an instance of undeniable and serious harm to the nation where their (ill-advised) decision was the primary cause of said harm. And I say this seriously because I see no reason whatsoever, with the resources available to the WH and the congress, for the federal governmnet to ever make a fundamental error that gives that result. Case in point: Iraq.

And I say this seriously because I see no reason whatsoever, with the resources available to the WH and the congress, for the federal governmnet to ever make a fundamental error that gives that result.

You've got a lot to learn about how government really screws things up 90% of the time, son.

Republican governments about 99% of the time. Sure.

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Actually, the question about ROTC and military recruiters was fair and important, but the answers were a disappointment, although hardly surprising. It once again underscored how egregious it was that Kucinich was not in the debate.

As I first saw the screen, my heart sank on seeing that there were only three candidates (I had just walked in the door and had not heard the news circa 8pm that MSNBC's appeal had been successful). With Dennis Kucinich there, it would at least have brought to the debate the awareness that there are indeed other approaches to the issues within the Democratic Party than tweedledee/tweedledum platforms.

It was further painful to see the interchange between Edwards and Obama where Obama considered, apparently for the first time, keeping his terrorism strike force outside Iraq. (I say this as a supporter of and a donor to Obama).

At the same time, I am active in -- and a donor to -- the reborn sds/mds (students for a democratic society/movement for a democratic society). Contradiction? Well, the mainstream of the Democratic Party obviously sharply veers from the general vision and particular demands of sds/mds, though not as much as Kerry's stance on Iraq (whose candidacy of course predates the re-emergence of the new sds/mds nationally).

We should not forget, when it comes to Iraq and Iraq-related issues the HUGE difference it would have made, even assuming defeat (which Kerry managed to attain anyway) had Dean been the nominee. The platform of the Democratic Party as a whole, starting in 2004, would have been antiwar. The charade of seeing a Democratic TV debate with NO ONE willing to take a principled stand on ROTC and military recruiters would not have been possible; indeed the consensus might very well have been the other way.

It should be particularly important to remember the MANY MANY voices, on or at least ostensibly on the Left in 2003-4 who couldn't stop trashing Dean -- seizing upon comments like the one about the confederate flag or, even less substantively, the slightly pink-tinted "red-meat" speech to his campaign following the Iowa caucuses (the so-called "scream"). The sniping was widespread in venues like WBAI; this is something that should not be forgotten, when we considered how it ill-served the anti-war cause.

It was heartening that none of the candidates were willing to advocate the expansion of nuclear energy, though I can't for the life of me understand how HRC could be 'agnostic' on nuclear energy. Wha? It is one thing to have a complex position, like Obama's notion that he would seek expansion only if the science somehow renders nuclear energy safe (an interesting argument if applied to Star Wars). I suspect that this is one position a president Obama (not making a prediction) would breach, compromising to sign bills that promote nuclear energy like mad handed up from Congress. Edwards came off looking very good on this issue, though this 'I regret my votes in the Senate' platform he is running on doesn't exactly inspire.

I would also mention that, even though Barack Obama (surely a politically savvy position, even if not wholly true) insists that there was absolutely nothing to the provokatsiia of Hillary Clinton herself as well as her campaign; at least for a short time, they (Andrew Cuomo the most brazenly) made statements that, while not in and of themselves necessarily racist, were pregnant with the temptation to make race an issue. Here the press managed to let the candidates get away with denials, presumably in the greater good. I am not bound to amnesia on this matter, any more than I am going to somehow forget Edwards' long shpiel in his ONE TV debate with Cheney dwelling (positively, of course) on the gay sexuality of the latter's daughter. I suppose the presidency -- and indeed other social positions as well -- is off-limits to anyone not sufficiently "diplomatic" to get with the program when a lie is 'objectively' in the national interest.
(There is probably more justification for the idea that we should remain silent on the issue of race-baiting, at least in the tactical interests of Obama and of the Democratic Party than most mandatory lies, the ones that are far more unchallengeable (more mandatory)than this one will undoubtedly prove to be, at least in some circles.

Overall, the candidates seemed to avoid any noticeable gaffes, and Obama managed to defuse the spin rather unjustly put on the 'likeable enough' remark, for example by a fulminating Krauthammer. You'll notice that Obama said nothing about the press unjustly reading into his words something that wasn't there, while insisting, at least by implication, that such a reading, including by his own staff, of something that WAS consciously there in a PATTERN).

There was also an interesting discussion of a few other issues, such as the 'managerial presidency'. But that will have to wait for another bout of logorrhea.

(I would especially like to see a discussion, perhaps with a Constitutional lawyer, both of the Kucinich suit and of the disenfranchisement suit in this campaign).

What's wrong with ROTC?

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Good place for TPM Cafe's very own Michael Woodson to jump in with his take on training them young to become the best Sumarai possible.

Here's Mike's piece at Soldiers for Truth

Recruiting: Put the Warrior Back into Society

And here's his kicker:

The only way to improve Army recruiting is to improve the quality of recruits over the long term. It can only happen if recruiting dies and martial training and tradition rises in U.S. public elementary school curricula.

Whoa buddy!

~OGD~

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Taken out of context as usual.

Nothing at all, except for this: it stands for Reserve OFFICER Training Corps. Not Reserve Enlisted Man Training Corps. The full question was (and I paraphrase): "given the recruiting difficulties of the All-Volunteer Force, would you enforce the right of recruiters to be present on campuses and the existence of ROTC programs." How does recruiting and training more OFFICERS solve the military's manpower shortage problems? Are we going to establish legions of Lieutenants?

I found that context striking. And nobody seems to have picked up on it.

I know what ROTC stands for, my question was to the poster - what is a "principled stand" on ROTC?

I have some news for you - there is an officer shortage in the U.S. army, so maybe recruiting more officers might solve some manpower problems after all.

Some universities have a policy of not permitting job recruiters on campus if the organization discriminates against gay people, and hence don't permit military recruiting.


There was a big ruckus about this regarding NYU The law school had such a policy, and they were threatened with cut off of funds to the entire university.

I suspect this is the issue Russert was getting at.

The universities lost this case at the Supreme Court, so I don't see why this is still supposedly an issue in Russert's mind.

That said, I was hoping the candidates would say that they would reverse "Don't ask, don't tell" and obviate the whole cause of this dispute.

No.

This has been another episode of simple answers to...

thosethingswesay.blogspot.com

You're the winner!

Melon Head will promise only to properly fellate the Anointed One of the GOP. He may have a problem deciding who that is right now seeing as how he's not very bright.

Clever by half questions are for Dems only.
To use a phrase one of my early instructors taught me: He thinks he's a wit and he's half right.

...to ask all the Republican candidates if they will pledge to cut off Federal aid to schools that teach the pseudo-science of "intelligent design"?

I'm not sure the Left really wants to open the can of worms of the Feds rooting out pseudoscientific nonsense being taught in universities. They've got a lot more to lose if the govt. really started looking at Chomskian political science, black and women's studies, pomo approaches, etc. than a few Bible-beater colleges do.

How are Chomskian political science, black and women's studies, pomo approaches(approaches to what, hmmm) pseudo-science? Please explain. Here is a hint; you might want to figure out what pseudo-science means.

We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things. - Terry Pratchett

You're right, academia would never fall prey to trendy horseshit. My apologies.

Back to reading Black Athena now.

(It also wouldn't have humorless tools protesting a little too much on its behalf, I suppose.)

"trendy horseshit"?

Like "Supply Side Economics?"

Hmmm. So when MgMax get caught out as factually wrong, he just says it was all a joke.

Given your rate, you must be Robin Williams in disguise.

Same tactic Rush Limbaugh uses.

I read this as a reference to teaching creationism's dressed up stepson, ID, in k-12 public schools. In discussing recruiting, he specifically mentions universities. While Christian schools and a few colleges looking at re-aligning their curriculum to high school grads teach it (and some teach it as myth), it is still being foisted on many unsuspecting HS students at the expense of teaching actual science. Unfortunately, these HS students are not being exposed to Chomsky, black and women's studies, post modernism, etc. What they are being taught is that indoctrination is more important than critical thinking and conformity more important than knowledge and wisdom.

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Did anyone notice that when the question on strong points versus weaknesses of each candidate was presented, Obama took about 1 minute max to explain his strong points and weaknesses. Hillary then wandered off into the desert of rambling diatribe for what seemed to be if not an eternity at least 40 years on what I can only guess were her goods points, and never reached her explanation of her weaknesses.

Perfect. Perfect I say. If you can't dazzle them with Brilliance Baffle them with Bullshit!

~OGD~

Speaking of Russert,

disclaimer: I am NOT a Ron Paul fan.

Russert had Ron Paul on Meet the Press and the subject of Iran came up. Paul wasn't showing the fear of Iran that Russert wanted. Russert brought up missiles that Iran ahd that could reach Israel, Paul still didn't bite; Russeert was really pissed by now, so Russert asked what I consider one of the dumbest questions ever asked on MTP;

"Suppose Iran invades Israel" Russert asked.

This caused me to wonder if Russert ever saw a map of the Middle East, and I had the following thought;

"What route would the Iranian assault divisions take if they invaded Israel?"

Paul gave a great reply.

He said, "Iran is not going to Israel."

He cut Russert to ribbons with common sense answers.

Russert practices "gotcha journalism, he tries to make news.

During Hillary's Senate debate with Lazio, Russert asked Hillary:

'Do you regret misleadiing the American people on Monica on the Today Show?'

#1 -WTF does that have to do with a run for the Senate?

#2 -From what I remember she didn't know about Monica when she appeared on that show.

Russert has an undeserved reputation as a hard hitting Journalist.

I can't help but notice that while some candidates have difficulty with any interview where the interviewer challenges them or where they are not in control, Paul is the exact opposite.  He seems to have a much harder time answering friendly questions and interviews best when the interviewer is arguing with him.

 

"You say I'm a dreamer.  We're two of a kind.  Looking for some perfect world that we both know that we'll never find." - Thompson Twins, "Hold Me Now"

Glaivester,

agreed, Paul doesn't seem to vacillate and I think that's what got Russert so pissed off that Russert asked the nutty question I mentioned.

What about not giving Guliani a free plug: he did not take the money from the Kuwati, what the heck did that have to do with the question? The question was about foreign investment in the mess we call American corporations: Citigroup, Merril etc.

Russert is unbearably bad. What is his obsession with pledges? Has he even thought through what he is supposed to be doing?

Matt Y does a good job explaining Russert.

To say that such exercises offer no information would be unfair. But the information is purely meta. Viewers watch a candidate getting grilled by Russert not to assess the candidate's views but to assess his or her ability to withstand the grilling. And, when this sort of toughness and sparring becomes its own reward, the vacuity of the questioning is almost guaranteed. After all, if you asked a politician a serious, important question and got a perfectly good answer, then maybe, for a moment, you couldn't be tough. Instead, Russert relies on his crutch of confronting politicians with allegedly contradictory statements they've made—to highly monotonous effect.

Worse, Russert has a legion of imitators. At the same debate in which Russert harangued Democrats about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants, audience member LaShannon Spencer came up with an intriguingly open-ended request for candidates to talk about the qualities they would look for in Supreme Court appointments. However, CNN's Suzanne Malveaux swiftly transformed this into a cliched question about "whether or not you would require your nominees to support abortion rights," even though everyone knows all the candidates are pro-choice. Under Russertism, that's a better question, because it's more likely to cause someone to stumble.

And that's really the game here. Russert's goal isn't to inform his audience. He's there to "make news"—to get his guest to say something embarrassing that lands in the next day's papers or on the NBC Nightly News.

You left one question out.

"Tim Russert, will you pledge to step down and let someone credible host your show instead?"

I expect the answer to that one will be no, just like all the rest.

A couple of years ago Russert was guesting on some TV show, maybe Hardball, and he was hawking his book "Big Russ and Me', and during the chit chat about it he said his father was a WWII vet who's 'plane went down, and Big Russ was hurt pretty bad', and that was all he said about it.

Now, as a WWII vet myself, this interested me and I started thinking; was he a fighter pilot; a bomber pilot,a gunner? Did his bomber go down over Ploesti? Over Schweinfurt? Crash land back in England? Russert never said, he left it at "his plane went down...."

Imagine my surprise some time later when I learned the rest of the story. Big Russ was stationed in England and had a ground job with the AAF as a parachute rigger, (very important job) and he and a friend hitched a ride on a B-24 taking some combat vets to a rest area, and during the flight it crashed due to fog, in Ainsdale, England. Some died and Big Russ got pretty banged up.

Not exactly what Russert insinuated in the interview, but Russert does get into detail in his book.

None of this is to be deemed critical of Big Russ, but I don't like his son.

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