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Bill Kristol and "the Mob"

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In a piece that ran over the week-end, New York Times public editor Clark Hoyt comes to the defense of the paper's decision to hire neo-con extraordinaire Bill Kristol as its new op-ed columnist. While hardly a ringing endorsement, the piece does mischaracterize the nature of the opposition to the Kristol appointment. The large type pull quote/summary of the piece is "a mob gathers around William Kristol and his pen."

For example, Clark Hoyt quotes a strident opposing email that suggests that Kristol be "hung by his ankles." In doing so, the article makes it sound like the majority of the critics of this decision are a bunch of hyperventilating ideologues.

In fact, many of the people I have talked to about the Kristol appointment have focused on the fact that he has so consistently been wrong on the issues of the day -- most notably Iraq, but in any number of other areas as well. Supporting the war in Iraq is one thing; promoting and/or buying into the weakest and least plausible reasons for doing so is another.

Hoyt goes on to suggest that the paper is already packed with liberals and therefore needs a conservative voice to provide "balance." In reality the assertion that virtually every Times columnist but David Brooks is a liberal is only true in the context of our current, cramped political discourse.

In any case, why not appoint some independents? Maybe a libertarian? Or at least a thoughtful conservative who is not so mind numbingly predictable as Bill Kristol is, a la George Will or Kristol's predecessor William Safire? Even someone who would write a bit about conservative strategy and conservative institutions so that progressives and moderates would have a better sense of what they are up to would be far more useful than the discredited Mr. Kristol.

I hope Clark Hoyt is right that that the Kristol appointment is simply a one year experiment, and that the Times will at least consider reader feedback as one element of its decision as to whether to keep Mr. Kristol. This process would be greatly aided if the Times' public editor didn't describe Kristol's critics as if they were some sort of intellectual lynch mob.


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I was uncomfortable with a lot of his assertions. He's been the least reactionary of the public editors thus far, but I couldn't buy this one on several grounds. In fact, I didn't even think that his reason for opposing Kristol, that the man had attacked the paper hiring him, had merit. Or rather, we've all attacked The Times, and he happened to do so using the silly Coulter-like rhetoric that should disqualify from being a columnist regardless of his opinion. 

First, I disagreed that opposition amounted to not tolerating conservative views. As Bill Hartung notes, we felt we opposed him on his merits and on his not adding enough diversity to Brooks's kind of conservatism. In fact, it disturbed me that Hoyt made no effort to argue for Kristol's distinction, other than that he was conservative.

Second, the Safire example disturbed me. It may be because Safire was indeed the dissent from a distinguished crop of liberals like Anthony Lewis, James Reston, Tom Wicker, and Russell Baker. It may be because I wouldn't have hired anyone whose background was PR for crooks, and that reminded me of how the supposed liberals like Dowd have to rise up from reporting experience while conservatives just have to have a few connections, write speeches as hacks for hacks like Quayle, or simply be conservative. It may be because Safire's libertarian beliefs are more independent than Kristol's. It may be because I can't agree on how Safire grew on one; his snarky insider tone was Dowd avant la lettre. 

Third, I'm afraid I got apoplectic about the unanimity of liberals apart from Brooks. The most liberal and most analytic writer, Krugman, served in a Republican administration as well as academia, so he'd paid his dues fair and square.  Cohen writes only on foreign policy, advocating the use of American force. Will Kristol oppose Bush foreign policy? Dowd hates everyone and arguably has her share of the blame for Bush's election. Will Kristol deride the GOP nominee this fall? Friedman's unrepentant support for trade agreements and war have obviously made him particularly disliked by liberals. I suppose his liberalism consists in wanting energy independence? If Kristof has an opinion on anything other than that someone should do something or other about Africa, or maybe that everyone should visit China and talk to average people about something or other, I have yet to discern it.  Collins is still an unknown to me, and I'm waiting to see more than personality pieces on the campaign. I'll acknowledge Herbert as a liberal (although boring as heck) and Rich of course. And again I'm grateful for Krugman.

And we can't mention the magazine section's editorial selection (Caldwell, Merkin, Heffernan, ... with Matt Bai the token liberal who hates liberals). Or Tennenhaus's book section?  

Finally, the idea that more balance is needed puzzles me. I guess it helps sell ads relative to the Tom Wicker days, but no one's crying because the WSJ editorial page matches the views of the editors. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

Perhaps those at the NYT that thought hiring Kristol was a good idea are getting a little pissed off at the negative feedback they're getting.

They're probably astonished too.

If they were astonished, they should consider outsourcing their OpEd hires. Or go back and read Weakly nonStandard's archives for clues.


"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

the "Weakly nonStandard" heh heh hhe :-)

Didn't know if anyone would catch that, John. Good job. Made me laugh too when I thought of it. :-)


"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

I think it's revealing that the NYT's idea of a conservative worth hiring was someone who was already famous and had plenty of platforms. (It reveals that they have no concept whatsoever of the bench strength on the conservative side, and hired practically the only rightwinger they'd ever heard of.)

I also think it's revealing that people in the chattering classes still think it matters a shit who writes editorials for the New York Timesasaurus. I mean, Jesus, the whole bunch of them went away for a year behind a pay wall and nobody even noticed they were gone. Frank Rich and Bob Herbert being out of the national conversation is indistinguishable from Frank Rich and Bob Herbert being part of the national conversation. Haven't you got other things to fret about?

The idea that the NYTs is a liberal newspaper should have been put to rest a decade ago. If Kristol was hired it was because of nepotism and not a whole else.

Cronyism, you mean.

The Times used to exact strict requirements of almost military loyalty from its employees.

How the mighty have fallen!

Kristol is drawing a paycheck from another paper -- or perhaps both the Times and the Weakly draw funds from the same, money-laundered source.

Haven't you got other things to fret about?

Well, mgmax, there's always that other thread you're so hot on today -- the one about Jonah Goldberg's written revision of known and accepted political theory, modestly called Liberal Fascism, but what's the point when we've got the neocon on this thread who usually needs to revise the next day, and doesn't?


"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

Interesting that a political election is in the works, and yet so much energy is being devoted to stamping out unorthodox opinions in your midst. Plug your ears! Hide the children! We must not hear... revisions of known and accepted political theory!

I'm pleased to see that you are so comfortable with Mr. Goldberg's revisions. I for one am pleased that Jonah Goldberg has decisively and permanently buried Godwin's Law. Henceforth, I will feel fully comfortable in calling anyone a Nazi who I, in my unfettered discretion, deserves it. Like Mr. Kristol, who has more of a resemblance to Mr. Goebbels than mere moon faced blundocasity.

It's all fun and games when someone loses an eye.

You seemed perfectly comfortable doing it before.

You sweet little cherry, you. You're so naive I want to just pick you up and kiss you. I'm talking hardball, baby. Old school. Fun. Fun. Fun.

God, the things people give 5s to around here. Yee haw, Cleotis. You shore showed them city boys.

I enjoyed the cherry picking of messages that the Times received, along with the rather astonishing fact that of over 700 e-mails the Times received, ONLY 1 was in favor of the hiring of Kristol.

Perhaps that margin of difference should give the Times pause. Not that editorial decisions should be made by majority vote, certainly, but that's an overwhelming number of people who took the time to weigh in and an overwhelming majority found the decision troublesome.

I would hope that this provokes some reflection and consideration on the part of the public editor, rather than the cherry picking "mob rules" sort of response evident in yesterday's column.

Gee, a liberal newspaper hires a non-liberal and liberals respond. You take that as evidence of anything, other than who the readership already is? You think there are lots of conservative Paul Krugman readers out there who chose not to weigh in?

I'm not making any assumptions about readership. What surprised me was that so few readers took the time to write in and thank the Times for this hire--I mean, if Kristol were the capable columnist that the Times apparently thinks he is, one might think more would applaud this move.

Well, I agree there. It proves that the momentous hire doesn't mean much to anybody. Oh no, there aren't any conservatives at a liberal paper in 2008! How could I possibly find one to read in this day and age? It's not like I have a box in my house that brings zillions of them to me...

Hath the NYT "a decent regard for the opinion of mankind"? NOT.

Perhaps Mr. Kristol SHOULD be hung by his ankles exactly because he's been so consistently been wrong on the issues of the day -- most notably Iraq, but in any number of other areas as well.

I find it incredibly ironic that this unhinged neo-con segment of America, one so full of violence and vitriol, is also the most thin-skinned when it comes to criticism. It's the first and the loudest to cry when it itself is held under the merciless scrutiny with which it blasts it's opponents (both real and imagined). I see no reason to treat an individual as vile as William Kristol with any modicum of decorum. Nor do I see treating him in this more scornful manner as somehow lining up among the ranks of the hyperventilating ideologues. Is it blunt? Yes. Is it harsh? Sure it is. But it's certainly not hyperbole. He's more than proven himself worthy of this treatment just as he's proven that he's a disastrously inept fool. Harsh words are the least he deserves. To be honest he deserves far worse.

I have a better suggestion for the New York Times - Try hiring people that are intelligent (and more often right than wrong in their opinions) for their op-Ed pages and I would personally not care WHAT party they voted for.

So-called and self-styled "consvervatism" (i.e., corporate crypto-fascism) in America has crawled up its own congenitally constipated ass and died. Bill Kristol, in any media forum, simply embodies the hardened little piece of credulous crap that occasionally manages to squeeze out of America's morally rotten "journalistic" rectum. The Times might just as well have promoted Judith Miller to the Op-Ed page in order to achieve a little "gender" balance."

Whatever happened to the Truth? In former times, credibility rested entirely upon it and not on a presumed phony "balance" between competing lies.

Michael,

Truth used to out; the Pentagon Papers, Nixon tapes, Iran Contra, blue dress.....and public would see and accept. Now, lies are shown as lies and people ignore the truth. Welcome to Bushworld.

Good point--I would say that the Truth still comes out, however, the RW spin-machine has realized that it simply needs to muddy the waters, slime the messenger, and come up with some partisan talking points for the true believers to rebut with, and obfuscate until the next news cycle begins.

Ironically, though, in all of your examples, there is one that really does not rise to the standard of the others...and therein, perhaps, lies the answer to where the system went haywire.

left,

if you're referring to the blue dress, I stuggled with that but decided to include it because he did finally come clean and was eventually impeached by the truth on the blue dress.

...eventually impeached by the truth on the blue dress

Some of the truth did come out in Iran-Contra. But, the political ideologies that are involved in stains on a blue dress are easier for America to understand than the political ideologies that surround brown people in jungles or deserts. That makes the blue dress type of ideology more impeachable. Apparently, that lesson was not lost on some in the V-Ps office.



"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

Kristol is intellectually lazy and sloppy with his facts, that is, when he actually uses facts.

How someone lacking journalistic integrity like Kristol can make a living as a wordsmith is beyond me.

That other bastion of integrity and truth, FOX, must pay Kristol one helluva salary that allows Billy boy to indulge his vices, like pretending he can write.

I imagine they hired him because they thought he would increase readership. I doubt he will have much effect either way. A handful of ticked-off liberals might cancel their subscriptions. A handful of die-hard Kristol fans might buy the paper just for him. So what.

I imagine NYT will see a transient surge, followed by a small increase in web traffic, as bloggers find something new to write about. I doubt he will generate enough new ad revenue to pay his salary. At least I hope not.

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