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In yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, Very Serious Person Michael O’Hanlon takes Barack Obama to task for his fundamental unseriousness on Iraq:

there are nonetheless two problems with Mr. Obama's Iraq views that call into doubt his ability to build a truly inclusive American political movement. First, he seems contemptuous of the motivations of those who supported the war. While showing proper respect for the heroic efforts of our troops, he displays little regard for the views of those many Americans who saw the case for war in the first place -- even as he has called for a more civil and respectful political debate.

O’Hanlon makes a good point. Truly, to bring America together, Obama will have to be more respectful of people who were wrong about war in Iraq, and who spent most of 2002-03 sneering derisively at people who turned out to be right about war in Iraq. If Obama can’t be nicer to all those people who dismissed war opponents as lunatics and Saddam-enablers, we will never have Unity in 2008.

This is unfortunate. Saddam Hussein was one of the worst and most dangerous dictators of the late 20th century. The basic proposition of unseating him was hardly an unconscionable idea, even if President Bush's approach to doing so was unilateralist, arrogant and careless. With our last image of Saddam a resigned figure heading for the gallows, it is easy to forget who this monster was.

He had used chemical weapons against his own defenseless people, as well as the armies of Iran; he violated 17 U.N. Security Council resolutions that demanded his verifiable disarmament; he had the blood of perhaps one million people on his hands; he transformed his country into what Iraqi dissident Kanan Makiya famously called the "republic of fear." (Saddam's behavior didn't improve when we tried the kind of high-level diplomacy Mr. Obama favors by sending envoys like Donald Rumsfeld and April Glaspie.)

Well, like my café comrade Todd Gitlin here, I was one of those people who acknowledged that removing Saddam would be a good thing in the abstract, but only if it could be done in a way that didn’t shred international law and kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and strengthen Islamist radicals. And we didn’t trust the Bush Administration’s reports of WMD, which is why we favored inspections over invasion, and no-fly zones to protect the Kurds, and . . .

Wait a mother-loving minute, what was that last sentence again?

Saddam's behavior didn't improve when we tried the kind of high-level diplomacy Mr. Obama favors by sending envoys like Donald Rumsfeld and April Glaspie.

OK, this has to be some kind of joke, right? Please tell me – you know I’m not very good with "irony." Because this looks to me like “Saddam’s behavior didn’t improve when we took Iraq off the list of terrorism-sponsoring nations and sold him a bunch of chemical and biological weapons, and it also didn’t improve when we told him, 'we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.'” Seriously, folks, there’s no way O’Hanlon can be suggesting that Saddam was a monster despite the efforts of Rumsfeld and Glaspie to restrain him. Because that would just be silly.

Yet Mr. Obama consistently accuses those who supported the war of political motivations -- and unsavory ones at that. On Dec. 27, for example, Mr. Obama said in Des Moines, Iowa, "You can't fall in line behind the conventional thinking on issues as profound as war and then offer yourself as the leader who is best prepared to chart a new and better course for America."

Whew. Here O’Hanlon is on solid ground again: it really is irresponsible of Obama to accuse war supporters of unsavory political motivations like this. Falling in line behind the conventional thinking . . . when will the slurs and low blows end? It’s time to draw a line in the sand. Because if we let Democratic leaders accuse each other of “falling in line behind the conventional thinking” today, surely they’ll be accusing each other of “relying on polls” and “telling people what they want to hear” next. And then you can say so long to civility.

And now to the conclusion:

Politically, Republicans will surely try to paint any policy of rapid, complete withdrawal as Democratic defeatism. Mr. Obama needs to think hard about whether his uplifting message of hope is really bulletproof enough to withstand these charges -- and about whether his Iraq views truly reflect the non-ideological, nonpartisan wisdom of the American people that he seeks to lead.

Leaving aside the fact that Republicans will speak of “Democratic defeatism” even if the Democratic nominee promises to hunt terrorists down and rip them limb from limb with his (or her!) bare hands, this is just lazy op-edding on O’Hanlon’s part. When you invoke the “non-ideological, nonpartisan wisdom of the American people,” you are supposed to quote one of them who happens to agree with you, preferably a cab driver or a waitress or a self-employed carpenter. They are supposed to say, as they take you to the airport or pour you a second cup of coffee or heft a hammer or something, “I want to like Obama, but I don’t know -- he just doesn’t seem to respect the people who supported the war. I don’t see how he can bring us together if he doesn’t reflect the non-ideological, nonpartisan common sense that makes America great.”

Let me demonstrate. The other day, plumbers came to repair the sewage line in my house, and one of them said, as he was draining the slop sink, “You’ve got a backup here because of the tree roots -- and you know, I just can’t figure out that Michael O’Hanlon fellow. He seems nice enough, but he just doesn’t make a lick of sense.”

There, that's how it's done.


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Thanks for the chuckle. Mr. O'Hanlon is seeing history judging him---let us have a moment of silence for his pain.

BTW, what was the second problem with Obama's Iraq views? I don't want to subscribe to WSJ just to find out.

No kidding. O'Hanlon's and Berube's argument is a bit like dirty socks they're still wearing since 2004. Only they no longer fit or smell so great and are shot through with holes. And their friends and neighbors are begging them to ditch the stinkers.

Obama stands for change in a lot of ways, but in regards to Iraq, he's like a clean change of socks. Who doesn't want a clean pair of socks to step into? Who gets emotionally attached to yesterday's pair?

The idea the public will resent Obama for better serving their interest, or that they'll cling to having been duped, is just goofy. We're long past the Nixon tipping point, the point at which you can't find anyone who admits voting for the guy.

***

Hillary, and Edwards for that matter, always had as their best defense, that they were duped too, and that there were worse people more responsible for the lies, i.e. the Bush admin. The Republican retort was always "who do you want: the liar, or the dupe" which scores some points, but is still a loser for Republicans.

The scale of value from the public perspective, in this order from best to worst:

1) Innocent. The general public without malice malice, was duped by bad policies, lousy media, etc. People who desire ordinary lives, and believe it's a leader's responsibility to specialize in policy wonkiness, and be trustworthy.

2) ...

3) Flawed, but redeemable. Politicians of innocent intents, but perhaps a little gullible, and not doing their job as well as could be.

4) Evil. Politicians (and corporations and others) who deliberately lie to manipulate the public and prey upon them.

***

Aside from the wingnut fringe who are retrenching for the most hawkish Republican candidates, the general public is long past remorse or guilt or stubbornness, and just want a change.

Obama gets in the race, and occupies spot #2 capably and electably.

O'Hanlon's and Berube's argument is a bit like dirty socks they're still wearing since 2004.

You wouldn't want to brush up on your reading skills, wouldja, kozmic? Just a friendly suggestion.

Were you not agreeing with O'Hanlon before diving into paragraphs of self exposition and long quotes? Either way, pretty lousy writing.

If i missed the sarcasm, it's becasue you seem to have utterly missed the grain of truth in it, and your glibness misses the seriousness of these issues.

Pissing on people who were wrong about Iraq, and calling them "lunatics" in return, will be obnoxious and totally counter productive. The Code Pink types are going to be the Republican's greatest allies going forward, and they'll do everything they can to encourage them to incite partisanship and reactionaries.

Obama is wisely not making that mistake. He's appropriately supporting accountability among leaders, some for mistakes, others for outright crimes. But he's not so foolish as to paint people who were for Iraq, and especially not the public, with a broad brush.

To go back to my socks analogy, we don't need the wingnuts on the right with trench-foot, nor the wingnuts on the left clinging to dirty socks and trying to rub the general public's nose in them.

Thankfully, Obama is not pandering to either.

Were you not agreeing with O'Hanlon before diving into paragraphs of self exposition and long quotes?

No. Pretty lousy reading!

I would reply to the rest of your comment if it made any sense. Do yourself a favor, old boy, and read some of the stuff I wrote in 2002-03 -- or just slow down a moment, and try to understand why I'm criticizing O'Hanlon -- before associating me with positions I don't hold. Thanks much!

And do change those socks.

wrong place - ooops.

This is kinda sad on your part, kozmik, especially after MB went out of his way to give you a clue and all. Please tell me – you know I’m not very good with "irony." What can he drop on you next? That it was the butler in the laundry room with dirty socks and candlesticks, rather than tree roots that were causing his plumbing problems?

All of that leads me, somehow, to Brian Katulis and his response to O'Hanlon, which may be more along your preferred lines of wash. Although not nearly as inspired as MB's plumbers, Brian associates with Doctors and his socks seem clean, even if they are obviously unironed.

Peace.



"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden

Nice posting. Can O'Hanlon really believe that Glaspie and Rumsfeld's missions were to get Saddam to improve his behavior? Can he really be that abysmally ignorant of what he's talking about, or is he being utterly disingenuous?

I'm not an either-or kinda blogger.

There you go again...

making me laugh out loud.

-Dave Adams-

I vote for disingenuous.

Can O'Hanlon really believe that Glaspie and Rumsfeld's missions were to get Saddam to improve his behavior?

We were trying to get Saddam to "improve his behavior" (i.e. kill more Iranians) at the same time Ollie North was running Iran-Contra. And then April Glaspie, said "believe me, we won't intervene if you throw a little country against a wall."

So yeah, we were teaching Saddam a lesson - Don't trust us.

believe me, we won't intervene if you throw a little country against a wall

Hey, it's the Ledeen Doctrine! And I remember Saddam saying, at some point between August 1990 and January 1991, "why cannot Iraq have a Ledeen Doctrine as well?"

Faster, please!

I remember it a little differently, but I think you're on to something...

Rummy sold all the bad sh1t to Saddam and delivered a message - just lip-read Rummy here on this clip, tell me he's not saying "why not go Ledeen on a bunch of peasants who really piss you off".

I guess something was lost in translation, and Saddam went Ledeen on his own countrymen. After that, April Glaspie straightened him out, and Saddam took a mulligan. Just chose the wrong small country, evidently.

This is beginning to make sense... According to Michael O'Hanlon, purveyor of non-ideological non-partisan wisdom, we were trying to get Saddam to improve his behavior. To become a better follower of the Ledeen Doctrine. And boy, we tried. Eventually, however, we gave up and just Ledeened him ourselves to send a warning to any student who might fail in the future.

And now Obama threatens to undo all the good work. And that's why he is unfit to be President. You know?

Oh, right, the second problem. "Obama’s second Iraq problem is his insistence that, whatever happens there during 2008, he would withdraw all our main combat forces in the first 16 months of his presidency." Also, he fails to appreciate the Wonder-Working Surge.® But that's part of the same problem.

And I did have a moment of silence for O'Hanlon's pain. But that was yesterday.

Phew, here I was thinking Mickey couldn't count to two.

So shorter Mickey is:

Barack's problem is he doesn't listen to people who are wrong about Iraq and he will keep an important election promise (even if it makes him unelectable).

Go suck on that, Logic.

The funny part is O'Hanlon thinking he is raising actual criticisms. 

Presume "Mickey" refers to M.O'H., not M.B.?

Yes, MOH.

Nice post. Who employs O'Hanlon and what would it take to get him fired?

"he seems contemptuous of the motivations of those who supported the war."

Uh-huh.

"he displays little regard for the views of those many Americans who saw the case for war in the first place"

Okay.

"Mr. Obama consistently accuses those who supported the war of political motivations"

So where's the criticism of Obama... Bueller? Berube? Anyone?

Mr. Obama consistently accuses those who supported the war of political motivations"

Would be lovely but is not true:

Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman
By Stephanie Reitz, Associated Press Writer | March 31, 2006
HARTFORD, Conn. --U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.
Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.
Lieberman, Connecticut's junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War. He was key in booking Obama, who routinely receives more than 200 speaking invitations each week.
Some at Thursday's dinner said that while they were pleased with Lieberman's success in bringing Obama to Connecticut, they still consider Lieberman uncomfortably tolerant of the Bush administration.
Obama wasted little time getting to that point, calling it the "elephant in the room" but praising Lieberman's intellect, character and qualifications.
"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.
"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.

O'Hanlon is a funny character. He really just doesn't seem very bright. He and Frederick Kagan co-wrote a recent NYT editorial in which they seriously floated the possibility of mounting some crazy mission to Pakistan to kidnap Pakistan's nukes. They ultimately rejected that approach, but even to take it up as a serious proposal seemed comically daffy. Read and giggle:

For the United States, the safest bet would be shipping the material to someplace like New Mexico; but even pro-American Pakistanis would be unlikely to cooperate. More likely, we would have to settle for establishing a remote redoubt within Pakistan, with the nuclear technology guarded by elite Pakistani forces backed up (and watched over) by crack international troops. It is realistic to think that such a mission might be undertaken within days of a decision to act. The price for rapid action and secrecy, however, would probably be a very small international coalition.

Within days of a decision to act, the United States could secretly insert forces into a country 160 million people, and with a powerful coalition of astonishingly pro-American Pakistanis, get their hands quickly on all of Pakistan's nuclear weapons and spirit them away out of their no doubt heavily guarded installations to a "remote redoubt"? Hey, who knows. And maybe along the way the crack teams can have a karate battle with Dr. No and sleep with Pussy Galore too.

Within days of a decision to act, the United States could secretly insert forces into a country 160 million people, and with a powerful coalition of astonishingly pro-American Pakistanis, get their hands quickly on all of Pakistan's nuclear weapons and spirit them away out of their no doubt heavily guarded installations to a "remote redoubt"?

Well heck Dan, what with the Hollywood writers on strike, someone had to present the idea...

Ah, yes. You see, Kagan would distract the Pakistanis by throwing something into India and making them look that way, while O'Hanlon snuck into the country from Afghanistan and secured the nukes with his elite forces. I believe this was called the "Alan Parsons Project."

Calling Commander Codpiece!

Maybe they could just send in David Copperfield to make it look like the nukes are gone.

But which volunteer gets groped?

Where JimmyJeff Gannon when you need him?

astonishingly pro-American Pakistanis

It would be astonishing. Unbelievable, even.

from a recent survey:
The survey also found that Pakistani attitudes toward the United States are negative and that there is a growing perception that the United States is hostile toward Islam.

Pakistani views of the United States are quite negative. About two-thirds (64%) do not trust the United States “to act responsibly in the world.” Very large majorities believe the US military presence in Afghanistan and in Asia is a critical threat to Pakistan’s interests (68 percent and 72 percent respectively). Only 27 percent feel that the cooperation between Pakistan and the United States on security and military matters has benefited Pakistan.

There is a growing Pakistani perception that the United States is hostile to their desire for a more Islamic society. Indeed, 86 percent now say it is definitely (70%) or probably (16%) a US goal to “weaken and divide the Islamic world.” This view also appears to be growing: it is up 13 points from February.

This view is highly correlated with negative views of the United States. Among those who strongly believe the US is seeking to undermine Islam, 57 percent say they do not trust the United States “at all.” Among those who do not think this is a US goal, only 13 percent say they do not trust the United States at all.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/440.php?lb=hmpg1&pnt=440&nid=&id=

"The survey also found that Pakistani attitudes toward the United States are negative and that there is a growing perception that the United States is hostile toward Islam."

What??? How dare they!
That does it. I'm switching to Giuliani.

-Dave Adams-

My last image of Saddam was as a resigned figure heading for the gallows and I'm not gonna forget or ignore as O"Hanlon does, the behavior of the unruly mob who hanged him. Those are our supposed allies and a year later they're still not ready to forgive their Sunni cousins who for the most part suffered as badly as they did under Saddam's US Republican party backed "republic of fear" and hamhanded Clinton supported "stupid" sanctions.

Saddam may have violated 17 U.N. Security Council resolutions that demanded his verifiable disarmament but by January 2003 he was bending over backward to accommodate Blix's UN inspectors despite what you saw in the Western media.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocusnewsiraq.asp?NewsID=414&sID=6

O'Hanlon should be happy he's getting Obama instead of Edwards. Neither is going to kowtow to the 30% who still believe there's a pony to be found in Iraq but at least Obama isn't gonna make him publicly apologize to the American and Iraqi people for his stupidity as Edwards would.

"Neither is going to kowtow to the 30% who still believe there's a pony to be found in Iraq"

Statistics indicate that this 30% is comprised of GOP tools, Halliburton/KBR employees, cronies with Iraq "reconstruction" contracts (i.e. offshore bank accounts), children under age 5, people in comas.

Wonderful - the people who were correct ahead of time on Iraq should be respectful of those who were wrong. Now what percentage of pundits, etc. who were wrong about Iraq has been respectful of those who were right (and had to put up with a lot of crap I might add).

Its only right. After all, look at how respectful the incoming Bush Administration was of the outgoing Clinton Administration in 2001. The Clintonites didn't even have the good grace to be wrong about all that many things.

-Dave Adams-

Yes, and let's not forget, the Bush people were exceptionally gracious about the fact that the Clinton people came in and trashed the place -- and it wasn't their place. Why, the Bush people even cleaned up after the staffers who'd defaced the White House with spray-painted obscenities, and never uttered a peep about it. It was just part of the job of restoring dignity to the Oval Office.

How true was that story?

How true was that story?

I'm pretty sure that it was Al Franken who exposed it as complete and utter bullshit in Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them .

-Dave Adams-

Why should ANY consideration be given to ANYBODY that promoted this un-necessary, war of choice to make a "war Preident," which we were lied into, lied to perpetuate and now have been lied to about Iran's nuclear program even after they KNEW they were bullshitting? When are these suckups to power going to realize they are/have been dupes? Just so they can name "a high administration official" or a "staffer in Cheney's office." and feel important and "in the loop." We have already seen what duped reporters can do. Judy Miller?

Let's see: We should "respect" the authors of the biggest strategic disaster in American history for the sake of "unity"... after they tried to paint the war's opponents as traitors?

I think the best tack is listen to what the right wing is saying...and then do the opposite; I can't forget Bush's 2004 meme 'the moment of accountability has passed'--I'd love to hear Obama use this phrase, and bring up the idea that, no, the accountability moment is right now!

Also, the issue is not a referendum on Saddam, it's a referendum on the methods, tactics, corruption and (lack of) planning that has made the US occupation such a major cockup.

Very good points. I'm sick of Saddam being involved in the equation - obviously he was a terribly bloody leader and I'm not shedding a lot of tears for his death. However, I find his figure a distraction in discussions of the war. Insane hippies I run into claim he was a fine leader, a committed secularist the United States should never have attacked. This is their way of opposing the war (stupid when you consider the hundreds of major mistakes). On the opposite side, insane wingnuts claim that because of his very poor behavior in the past, including genocidal activity, any course of action possible to us, including the disastrous money-laundering 'war' started in 2003, is warranted. This is their way of supporting it.

Both of these perspectives are idiotic. He was a terrible leader, like so many others around the globe. But he is far from the central figure. He's actually similar to Osama, in that he is a face Americans can be trained to hate, and that can eventually be sacrificed in times of low public approval to satisfy the bloodthirstiness of some Americans.

Has Obama actually said anything that sounds remotely "contemptuous" about anybody? If he has, I've missed it. I don't want to subscribe even to get the two weeks free of the WSJOnline -- I'd rather not let that rag have my email address -- so I need to ask someone who read the piece whether O'Hanlon cited any actual statements of Obama's that could be considered contemptuous.

O'Hanlon MAY be stupid, but he is NOT as stupid as his column suggests. What is transparent is just how fundamentally dishonest he is. Why (oh why) would Clinton (Hillary, I mean. Now. After O'Hanlon's abject and idiotic support of Bush's war and Bush's duplicity from day one) use this tool as a security adviser? What kind of credibility is that; what kind of change? Aren't there better ways for the Clinton camp to attack Obama on Iraq than to drag this retread out to lead their attack?

. . . [Obama] seems contemptuous of the motivations of those who supported the war. O'Hanlon

I'm not quite sure why we're talking about O'Hanlon. He's not talking about "O'Hanlon." His OpEd is all about Hillary Clinton ("those who supported the war").

Has O'Hanlon made the case that the Hill's war vote was motivated by anything other than political opportunism?

N.B. O'Hanlon and Kagan have been running interference (sometimes as arcade bears in an alternative universe) for Hillary going on a year, now.

Oh, I dunno about this. O'Hanlon split with the Hillary campaign because Hillary wasn't sufficiently respectful of the Wonder-Working Surge®, and though I'm quite sure he's willing to run interference for Hillary now by insisting that Obama isn't sufficiently respectful of her pro-war vote, I think he's freelancing at this point.

Something like that, yes. There is always someone willing to pay.

and always someone willing to play.

tom edsall: some top independent expenditure groups supporting Clinton have been exploring the creation of an anti-Obama "527 committee" that would take unlimited contributions from a few of Clinton's super-rich backers and from a handful of unions to finance television ads and direct mail designed to tarnish the Illinois Senator's image.

josh marshall: how much are they going to tarnish him? Do they bloody the guy who at that point is the probable nominee for an outside chance at a comeback? It's a tough question. And I suspect there will be very divided opinions from readers. But Hillary's future, the general election, the Clinton legacy and a lot else will be in the balance.

shorter josh: bush smearing mccain, despicable. bush swiftboating kerry, despicable. clinton smearboating obama, understandable.

Um, Josh doesn't seem to be saying what you're saying he's saying. He seems to be saying this is "gut-check time," which means that Hillarites have to think hard about whether it makes any sense to "bloody the guy who at that point is the probable nominee for an outside chance at a comeback."

The way I understand it, when you do a "shorter," you have to summarize the person accurately.

to smear or not to smear.

edsall: "tarnish the Illinois Senator's image"

tarnish (tär´nîsh) verb
tarnished, tarnishing, tarnishes verb, transitive
1. To dull the luster of; discolor, especially by exposure to air or dirt.
2. a. To detract from or spoil; taint: a tragedy that tarnished our hopes. b. To cast aspersions on; sully: slander that tarnished the senator's image. syn. smear, besmear.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

marshall: "Tough question."

marshall: "But Hillary's future, the general election, the Clinton legacy and a lot else will be in the balance."

no, i think you misunderstand.

"But Hillary's future, the general election, the Clinton legacy and a lot else will be in the balance."

Yes, meaning that the Clintons will look like utter crap if they do this -- because they'll generate such extraordinary ill will as to trash not only this election but Hillary's future viability and Billary's combined legacy.

So I think you misunderstand.

so we're really debating what is is.

marshall: "tough question" -- why "tough"? is marshall suggesting there are exceptions where lying, slander, pushpolling are acceptable?

marshall: "But Hillary's future, the general election, the Clinton legacy and a lot else will be in the balance." -- exceptions: hillary, bill, the clintons. as used and positioned by marshall, "but" isn't the premise for backlash against the clintons. "but" is the closing to rationalize such behavior because it's hillary's future and the clinton legacy, i.e., winning.

shorter berube: not.

"but" please do continue without me.

O'Hanlon is leading to this scenario:

(1) give respect and acknowledge that the supporters of this unnecessary invasion and massacre of Iraqi's, otherwise known as 'the war', had it right in their hearts, and nothing but good intentions. 

(2) since the war was started for honorable and imperative reasons, those who did not support it were immoral and wrong. It follows that the war (is already or) will be lost due to unscrupulous partisan attacks of Democrats who did not support Bush in his steadfast policy of victory.

I think it's funny (in that sort of painfully not funny way) that someone as unhinged as O'Hanlon has the temerity to things like this.

Why does inclusive have to include the mentally disjointed? So Obama has to "reach out" and play nice to people as screwy as say Kristol (who just recently said "snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory in Iraq")? Why? The last person I'd be asking for directions from on anything is O'Hanlon or others of his ilk. These people need to be called out as the dangerous fanatics they are and I see no reason that THEY need to be given a hug and brought into the fold. I say give them our foot and point them in the direction of the door.

To me this is just another example of the complete disconnect from reality that neo-cons and the like suffer from. Let's just remove accountability from the dictionary while we're at it. It's not OK to be wrong Mr. O'Hanlon. This isn't like you picked the wrong numbers in the lottery (darn!) you picked a war that had no merit and bullied and browbeat anyone who argued against you. You were either lying through your teeth (and continue to do so) or you're mentally unhinged. Either way, get used to being the last people standing in line when we all pick our kickball teams. No one wants you, you're a terrible player and a worse teammate. I think Obama should be reaching out to reasonable people from all sides not to fanatics on the fringes. The Republican party hugged and let the fanatics in and look what they did to them.

Is O'Hanlon a Democratic hack? How to understand this:

Politically, Republicans will surely try to paint any policy of rapid, complete withdrawal as Democratic defeatism.

Mind you, it is not "after much thought and following a sober policy deliberation" or some such, but "politically" and "surely". O'Hanlon is suggesting that Republicans heap scorn on war opponents because it is politically expedient.

By the way, I found the Michael's conversation with his plumber most illuminating (more real people in the future posts, please!) except for one detail: roots obstructing a sewage line?

Roots breaking into drain lines is a common problem.

Mr. Berube's humorous post was made all the funnier for me by the fact that my plumber is an unapologetic supporter of the present administration who often declares: "In twenty years time, these guys will be recognized as geniuses."

You never know when you might encounter a conventional thinker.

Yes, but, who cares? Would an Obama administration do anything to go after the war profiteers, Halliburton included, to clean house and make sure that 'defense' doesn't just morph into a self-justifying, cash-absorbing juggernaut publicly accountable to none, disconnected from both Congress and the Public?
Or, would he try to play games and make sure that people that are lined up in HIS camp get a piece of the action, or whatever? War is a racket, Smedley Butler said it, Ike said it,
and here we are in 2008 with some pretty strong evidence that no one listened, and/or no one cared. $,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$.$$???????

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