At the Times Op Ed Page, the Plot Sickens
About Bill Kristol’s first Times column of yesterday, M.J. has said just about everything that needs to be said, and Greg Sargent has nailed it for inaccuracy. But I won’t resist telling a funny story it brings to mind about the father of Kristol’s Times editor, Andrew Rosenthal.
Back in the 1990s Abe Rosenthal, the much-dreaded, neo-connish executive editor of the Times, was retired and given his very own op-ed page column, “On My Mind.” It was so badly written that other journalists didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
“I just can’t believe it,” I said to the late, great columnist Murray Kempton one day. “It’s full of elementary grammatical, syntactical errors, and Rosenthal even gets his facts wrong. Where are the copy editors?”
“You don’t understand!” said Murray, drawing himself up for a devastating judgment. “This is their revenge! They’re saying, ‘Take it away, Abe!’”
This isn’t Kristol’s only problem, though.
The psycho-political dimension matters, too, and, over at Radaronline the writer Charles Kaiser has telling portrait of some “family” connections involved in Kristol’s hiring. It turns out that Abe Rosenthal and Irving Kristol, Bill’s father, were friends and political allies.
One more tidbit along these lines, bearing on Times publisher Arthur O. Sulzberger, Jr’s role in this: He and Kristol attended the Collegiate School, together, on Manhattan’s Upper West Side, although Sulzberger went elsewhere before graduating.
The irony is that this elite private school, for boys K-12 (I can already feel some TPM readers’ hackles rising) is one of the most venerable (it was founded by the Dutch in New Amsterdam, in 1628), most civic-minded crucibles of American leaders I have encountered, through graduates I have known.
In its mores as well as its curriculum, Collegiate nourishes an understanding that republican freedom requires not only armies and wealth but, critically, an elusive strength, borne of vulnerability, that risks trust in ways that elicit trust in return.
Doing that is an art, and a discipline. The civic-republican commitment of some Collegiate alums to honest journalism and a vibrant American public sphere has to be seen to be believed.
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. learned something of it as a student at Collegiate. So did John F. Kennedy. So did Wallace Shawn.In an earlier post, I sampled the work of Nicholas Zamiska, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal in China.
And I think of J. Alexander Brooks, son of the late New Yorker business writer John Brooks (and no relation to a Times columnist David Brooks, an alum of Manhattan’s Grace Church School, before high school). Alex turned away from his father’s high-flying Manhattan literary world and, with a dedication worthy of the radical writer Granville Hicks and of Collegiate itself, has been running a small print weekly in upstate New York that strengthens its hard-pressed, working-class community as no other news media could or would.
That’s how I thought of Collegiate students before learning that Kristol and Sulzberger picked up just enough of its civic idiom to pose as journalists but failed its deeper civic rites of passage. Murray Kempton would be shaking his head.














Somehow, I am moved to adapt a verse from Steely Dan:
News business kids, writin' columns 'bout themselves; you know they don't give a fuck about any body else.
January 8, 2008 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's why we want to drink scotch whiskey all night long and die behind the wheel, I suppose...
January 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
We could start with a "Bottle of Red, Bottle of White"' but the hangover would be worse.
January 8, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ensconced at the Times
A rag hardly worth a dime
To announce amid the Glam
"See the Glory of the Royal Scam"
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
January 8, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Donald Fagen's latest (unprinted) letter to the Times:
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Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
January 8, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
a damned fine letter writer too...
January 9, 2008 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The last seven years have been one long hangover, it can't be any worse...
January 9, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney could become President if anything happens to Bush.
January 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheer up they said, things could get worse...so I cheered up and sure enough things got worse...of course, on the other hand, if something happens to Cheney, Bush could become president which could in some sick twisted way improve things...we must keep a good thought, Tom.
January 9, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good piece, Jim.
I guess Jack Kerouac knew what he was doing when he went to Horace Mann. As both a beat and a raving anti-semite, he wouldn't have liked the neocons.
January 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I guess Jack Kerouac knew what he was doing when he went to Horace Mann." Actually, Mark Penn went to Horace Mann, in my class. So did at least one conservative I'm close to. Actually, so for a bit did Matt Yglesias's father; his first novel was about the experience. Mostly, though, I have to admit it was a lot of future lawyers.
John
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January 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Were you there when Eliot Spitzer or Robert Caro were students? These days Horace Mann seems at least as arts oriented are legal.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 8, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hadn't known Kerouac was an anti-semite, Can you give me a reference? (He certainly spent a lot of time hanging around with Jews ..Ginsberg, Orloff .)
January 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tolerant of Jews... and Vampires?
What a guy!
January 8, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, let me say that Kerouac is my favorite author. I have a large painting of him in my living room, and own at least one copy of everything he's written (I keep multiple copies of The Dharma Bums to give to people).
However, his drinking wasn't Kerouac's only "dark side." I say that in quotes, because I think a lot of his mentioning of "jewboys" came from the street vernacular that he ran with, as well as his mother's own seeming anti-semitism. Late in life, he would publicly regret his anti-semitic phrases in his written works.
Was he an actual anti-semite? I personally don't think so, but Kerouac was far from politically correct at that time.
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January 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
His anti-semitism is well-documented. I've read all the bios (I find Kerouaca very compelling figure) and his hatred of Jews is frequently mentioned. Most recent bio which I read is by his editor, Ellis Amburn. Amburn, who is not a Jew, had a real hard time with Kerouac's crazy hatred of Jews, infatuation with Nazism, etc. The book is called Subterranean Kerouac: The Hidden Life of Jack Kerouac.
I don't forgive him his Jew-hatred, by any means. But I see it as part and parcel of a really sad personality who was deeply conflicted about his bisexuality. Think of all the ironies. He hated Jews and gays but loved, and even had sex with, Ginsberg.
January 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's sad to find this out about Kerouac.
January 8, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's even sadder to think he and Ginsburg were a couple, although the chores list might be interesting reading for the expired milk carton sniffers among us. The barbs, the subtle jabs, the sarcasms, the insults thought to be subtle but were as transparent as a Kerouac compliment of the writings of others...
January 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
i hadn't known they were a couple. Do you have any references?
January 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This piece is indicative of a common attitude about conservatives that you hear all the time from liberals. It is the notion that conservatism is nothing but selfishness, greed, oppression, exploitation and bigotry masquerading as a political philosphy. Nowhere in the minds of people who think like this is there room for the idea that conservatives care about the country and the common good but have a different sense of what that means and what it takes to get there.
Thus we get the rather ridiculous notion, implicit in this post, that William Kristol, as a graduate of the Collegiate School and a product of its civic-minded ethos, is betraying the values of the school by being a conservative. Furthermore, Arthur Sulzberger, also a graduate, is almost worse by hiring him. The basic idea here is that being "civic-minded" means being a liberal.
Now I don't happen to think very much of Kristol's philosophy, mostly because I have a hard time putting my finger on what exactly it is, other than the idea that anything Republican is good and anything Democratic is bad. That's why I agree with MJ Rosenberg (yes, it's possible!) that Kristol's column is nothing but a bunch of GOP talking points that are laughably behind the times by about 10 years. So if the focus is on taking apart Kristol's ridiculousness, I say let's pile on. But I object to this notion that he represents some sort of betrayal of civic-mindedness.
Part of the reaon, I think, why Obama is rising in the polls is that people are sick and tired of people like Jim Sleeper (or Bill Kristol for that matter) going beyond the normal disagreements that are part of politics and venturing into delegitimizing other points of view. Thus someone who disagrees is an enemy, not an opponent and the other side has no legitimacy at all.
I am not blind to the fact that Republicans and conservatives are far more often guilty of this than liberals or Democrats. But I don't like it wherever I see it.
January 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I also have been puzzled about why so many people profess to be mystified about the Kristol hire. Kristol is a very prominent and well-connected Republican pundit and adviser, the editor of a very prominent Republican magazine, and has been generally regarded as the neoconservative strategist-in-chief. The Times has Brookes, who is a hard-to-classify kind of new agey pop conservative, but no full-blown neocon, and they probably feel the need to get their own neoconservative opinion-monger to to counter rising competition from The Sun. Kristol seems like a fairly obvious choice to me. And it's not like every one who writes for the Times is an H. L. Mencken. I mean, in terms of credentials and brains, Kristol's certainly no worse that Friedman or Maureen Dowd is he?
January 8, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
One difference between Kristol and Friedman and Dowd is that the latter two were journalists and their columns seems to be based on facts. Kristol is basically a political operative. That may not be bad for a columnists but it does reduce the weight of his opinions.
The irony is that Gertrude Himmelfarb, a very good historian is his mother.
Given George Wills and Pat Buchanan's dislike of the neo-Cons or at least their ideology I wonder if the traditional right is as unhappy with Kristol appearing in the Times as the left?
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I haven't read Dowd in a while, so maybe she's improving, but her columns always seemed like Carrie Bradshaw-style hip chick fluff to me. Even when she criticized someone I thought needed criticism, I usually found it embarrassing. More often than not, the criticisms were very lightweight and cheap shot-ridden, which puts more serious critics in a bad light. It always seemed she should be writing urban style columns, not op-eds.
I suspect you're probably right about people like Will and Buchanan. But the neocons, despite their recent failures in the political arena, have done a very good job taking over the editorial pages of major newspapers like the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, and it looks like the Times is still a target.
January 8, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
One difference between Kristol and Friedman and Dowd is that the latter two were journalists and their columns seems to be based on facts.
Another difference is that Friedman and Dowd have been right at least a few times. When did any of Kristol's insane ramblings ever turn out to be true? He is the '5:00 Charley' of the journalism world.
"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden
January 8, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
A good historian or a pathetic crank?
January 8, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Himmelfarb's, the former Chair of the History Department at the Graduate Center of CUNY, speciality is Victorian England. She is very well respected in her field.
She like her son and husband is a neo-Con so her politics will hardly well liked at the New York Review of Books.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 10, 2008 8:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's about right.
These qualities have not in any way defined right wing policies.
Kristol is a whore. What's so complicated about that?
Sulzberger is a pimp. Who else runs a whore?
Not necessarily. But neither Sulzberger nor Kristol are anything but whore and pimp. Civic mindedness doesn't enter their equation.
It's not philosophy, its whoring. But feel free to put your finger on it.
So do I, in that it's pretty obvious a whore like Kristol has never embraced civic mindedness. No commitment, no betrayal.
Physician, heal thyself! Keep that up, and we'll start calling you Kristol.
You're just selective in your condemnation?
ROTFL.
January 8, 2008 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brad says;
Hear, hear!
People don't realize that conservatives want the common good to prevail and that's why they want to repeal "the Death Tax", its why they want a strong "off the shelf" military they can grab whenever they want to invade some foreign country. Pushing
de-regulation at the Federal Government level will certainly Promote the General Welfare. And lets not forget the Conservative Holy Grail, Unbridled Capitalism.
America has realized the wonders of Conservatism during the 6 years they had control; House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court, and as I look around at the state of the country today, foreign and domestic, all I have to say is;
THANK GOD FOR CONSERVATISM!"
January 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nowhere in the minds of people who think like this is there room for the idea that conservatives care about the country and the common good but have a different sense of what that means and what it takes to get there.
This is because conservatives work off of the 'individual merit' system, not off of the 'common good' philosophy. Once this is understood, it is not hard to see how those in the top 1% are favored policy wise, while those in the lower ranks are decreasingly favored. When was the last time anyone heard Republicans or neocons talking about the common good in conjunction with any meaningful policy?
"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden
January 8, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
An interesting aspect of modern conservatism, or at least elements of it, is that it embodies the longest standing ideology of America. The American Revolution was first and foremost a revolt against government especially taxes. Shays and the Whiskey Rebellions were also revolts against the taxes of the central government, now the American government.
To read any of the writings of the late 18th or early 19th century is to hear the skepticism of government, the deep dislike of politicians and a general opposition to taxes.
The Civil War and the New Deal may have changed the breath of support for a rigid anti-government ideology. However, the United States is largely the nation of the anti-goverment.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 8, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, the American Revolution was first and foremost a revolt against tyranny. Their fault with taxes was with taxation without representation, not taxes per se.
The skepticism of the late 18th - early 19th century gave us the gilded age and unbridled capitalism that liberalism tried very hard to undo in the 20th century, only to have Reagan and the two Bushes redo.
If economic conservatism seems popular, it is because conservatives owned the newspapers. It isn't popular with the poor. Conservatism is but a harkening back to the age of lords and serfs. It is the philosophy of the Agrarian South. It is the philosophy of the Tories and Loyalists of the American Revolution, so in that regard, you are correct, it had been around for a long time.
January 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
It may have been a revolt against perceived tyranny. I have no desire to get into a major historical analysis of the American Revolutionl. However the tyranny was in the form of a distant government and its agents who imposed taxes and other indignities. Further, even if the American Revolution was against tyranny how do you explain both Shays and the Whiskey Rebellions? Both were anti-tax revolts against a perceived elitist national government.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edmund Burke was a great conservative thinker. George Grant was a great conservative thinker. Irving Kristol, William F Buckley, Milton Freidman ... not so much. Ok thinkers. But destructive activists and stubborn in the face of their errors too. Alan Bloom was interesting, he would be very angry if you called him a conservative though.
Then there are the results. The results of all this conservative agitation. These too are ugly and stubbornly resistent to moderation or reason. By their acts you shall know them. American liberalism has reformed and is worthy once more of the nation; the great American conservative thinker is yet to be known.
January 8, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right about Kristol, Buckley and Friedman not being compelling thinkers. Unfortunate there aren't too many on the left either. The wholep problem is the elevation of ideology over reality. The denial of facts in favor of beliefs. Both are forms on non-religious idoltry.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um , yeah , well maybe. Assuming there actually is a problem.
“Beliefs” can collide. A believes the poor have a right to life’s necessities: shelter, food, medical care. B believes everyone has a right to keep the things he owns .
But satisfying A's "right" of the poor takes money which requires infringing on B's belief in private property. So with no denial of facts A and B reach different political conclusions about say the “death tax”.
We used to be taught in logic class , back when there used to be a logic class, that "you can't argue first principles". A has his gut beliefs, B has hers. Neither will change nor be able to cause the other to change. So what's left ? Silence ?
Well no. You could ask Kristol or Krugmann or Kristoff (or even some non-Kr person)to state his non-negotiable beliefs,his ideology as you put it, on the issue. Who knows ? Maybe they're in agreement . If not, however neither one is going to compromise on those core beliefs.
Nor should they. To thine own self be true , etc.
But even so , A and B might still agree on some specific actions which don't conflict with either's gut beliefs: for example ,that the government become employer of last resort so that every homeless person can get those those necessities , provided he/she works.
January 10, 2008 6:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
This piece is indicative of a common attitude about conservatives that you hear all the time from liberals. It is the notion that conservatism is nothing but selfishness, greed, oppression, exploitation and bigotry masquerading as a political philosphy. Nowhere in the minds of people who think like this is there room for the idea that conservatives care about the country and the common good but have a different sense of what that means and what it takes to get there.
Ah yes, the lofty ideals argument--thank you Mr. Concern Troll!
Your rant is destroyed at the end with the 'legitimacy' argument; Kristol has delegitimatized himself by being so, so wrong on pretty much everything he's been arguing in public this century, yet apparently, 'we' are the ones delegitimizing him? Puhleaze!
Brad, please don't waste your time here--there's a place waiting for you at Wankstock.
January 8, 2008 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course you can't trust the Times!
Newspapers cost a lot of money to produce and they represent the interests of that money. Once, a long time ago, an aging, grizzled, Spanish communist, veteran of their civil war, gave me this pearl of wisdom,
http://seaton-newslinks.blogspot.com/
January 8, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's be clear here. It's not like Kristol and Sulzberger are still in short pants. They're grown men, in their sixties and seventies. I think that they've moved well past the lessons of high school.
Rah, rah, its nice to see the old school spirit. But frankly, it's the inherited culture of elitism that these sorts of institutions represent that is part and parcel of the problem.
Sulzberger and Kristol did indeed take the lessons of privilege and elitism to heart.
January 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kristol and Sulzberger are in their 50s, not 60s and 70s, but no matter. I do think, though, that the experiences people have in high school -- especially schools whose pedagogy is intense -- are formative, for better or worse, of much that they do later on.
For years now we have understood the ways in which old prep schools like Collegiate were sexist, racist, elitist, etc. But Jerome karabel, in his book The Chosen, shows that they were also awfully good at producing the FDRs and Howard Deans, the JFK's and so on, and that perhaps there are some things we can learn from them. I agree with that pretty strongly.
One example I can give is the following account I wrote of a long-forgotten uncle of Ned Lamont, who went to Exeter in 1940s. My point in the post above, though, is simply that even the best schools' best teachings -- perhsps they especially -- are always distorted by some of their students, and sometimes fatefully so. Cf Andover and George W. Bush.
January 8, 2008 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose this is probably true of people who don't have much in the way of life experience.
One look at William Kristol tells you that he's spent his entire life snug in an ideological/cultural cocoon and really hasn't much more than a kind of academic distaste for the real world.
But hey, I'm not here to criticize the elite for their forays into homoerotic networking, self absorption and self congratulation. Just remember that for every FDR the prep system produces a hundred Dubya's.
January 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
How old is Irving Kristol? How old is William Kristol?
January 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to Wikipedia:
Irving Kristol was born January 22, 1920.
William Kristol was born December 23, 1952.
"To save your world you asked this man to die; Would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" W.H. Auden
January 8, 2008 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Class politics for under fives.
Lesson One:
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January 8, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Sleeper writes about the friendship of Abe Rosenthal and the elder Kristol. We all know about the very deliberate and intentional service (in the form of propaganda and disinformation) the Times provided Bush and Cheney to enable their war. This included the unchecked yellow-journalistic "reporting" of Judith Miller and the editorial chorus of Friedman and Safire keeping up the constant drumbeat of the war machine. But the Times while superficially more "liberal" than the odious Washington (and New York) Post has long intervened in a pernicious way in its biased and colored presentation of the news "fit to print". Here from his obit of Abe Rosenthal is an account by Chris Reed:
"In 1981-82 few American reporters realised the extent of secret but crucial US involvement in the war in El Salvador, something the authorities routinely denied. One who knew was New York Times correspondent Raymond Bonner, who in early 1982 exposed the rightist Salvadoran government's massacre of nearly 1,000 men, women and children in the small town of El Mozote. The US insisted it had not happened and pressure mounted on the Times.
As executive editor, Rosenthal flew to El Salvador to assess the complaints against Bonner. Sympathetic to president Ronald Reagan's rhetoric about the communist threat, Rosenthal began limiting Bonner's coverage and in early 1983 recalled him to the New York business desk. He soon resigned. Today the atrocity at El Mozote is an accepted historical truth, but Bonner's name has faded."
and again:
"Rosenthal hired and fostered platoons of editors and reporters who knew survival and advancement depended to an important measure on catering to his prejudices and not causing offense. Offending the Executive Editor, particularly for an overseas correspondent, could bring swift and disastrous retribution, as happened to Bonner, publicly disciplined and ultimately returned to overseas duties as a more or less broken soul. The Times that published James LeMoyne and Stephen Kinzer in the 1980s, week after week slanting the news from Central America towards the outlook of the US Embassy, was the Times of A.M. Rosenthal."
Here is Jack Shafer at Slate:
"Again and again, Rosenthal would say he was making crooked Times coverage "straight." But some reporters sensed that Rosenthal and company weren't promoting accuracy as much as they were imposing their political views on the paper's stories, writes Diamond. For most of his 17 years at the helm, Rosenthal battled what he considered the left-liberal tendencies of many of his reporters. He growls about his Washington bureau reporters quoting congressional liberals more often or more favorably than conservatives. Reading a 1979 piece about the 10th anniversary of Woodstock, he recoiled at its description of the event as a symbol of "national, cultural, and political awakening." He distrusted as partisan the reporting of Raymond Bonner and pulled him out of Central America. He gave an extraordinary mandate to freelancer Claire Sterling to connect the Soviets to organized terrorism, presumably because nobody inside the paper could—or would—pursue the angle. "It was said, on the record and off the record, by the staff and by outside critics that Abe Rosenthal was a homophobe. Supposedly, the newsroom explicitly understood this, and as a result, the Times initially 'ignored' the AIDS epidemic," Diamond writes."
Lamenting Rosenthal after his death were notably right wing luminaries: William Buckley, Rod Dreher, Joseph Farar, and of course the always fulsome Charlie Rose and Nicholas Kristof. Molly Ivins recognizing how Rosenthal interfered with reporters, left the Times as quickly as she could. The Times is fine for certain purposes; but be very careful with what you read there. They do not strive for accuracy but rather for copy "fit to print"
January 8, 2008 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I recommend the movie Romero for those who want to see what El Salvador was like in the late 1970's and the early 1980's. Then remember Cheney's recommendation for a Salvadoran (sp) solution in Iraq.
January 8, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is nothing wrong with a newspaper having a point of view, that's why most of them were started in the first place, so the publisher could get his ideas out.
What is wrong is for a newspaper (or TV network) to claim to be neutral when it's not. It's not clear when this fiction started, but its time we put a stop to it. Even during its glory days the Times was the voice of traditional Main Street Republicanism. It was sometimes tempered by a concern for civil rights. Without being seen as too "racist" I think this was due to its being owned by a prominent Jewish family which was still subjected to discrimination at the time. Being part of one minority makes one more understanding of the problems faced by other minorities.
The children of those who scrabbled to the top (Kristol Jr. and all the other second and third generation neo-cons) didn't have the same experiences growing up. Their fathers didn't go to elite private schools, in fact they wouldn't have been allowed in. Send you kids to school with the children of plutocrats and you get plutocrat wannabes. The irony is that the gaggle that are the biggest supporters of those with inherited wealth don't have it themselves. The Buckleys still look down on the Kristols.
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January 8, 2008 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I apologize if this is a bit off topic but it does come around to it sort of. ;-)
I've recently been reading Simon Schama's A History of Britain and it's really got me thinking in terms of political history (comparing then and now). What's beginning to be reaffirmed in my mind is that politics is inherently a broken and problematic process and that usually in the end the masses of average citizens are left paying they heftiest price for the entire elaborate spectacle. A spectacle played out by those who think they know what's best - and which ironically very often only benefits themselves.
Then as now politics tends to be practiced (generally speaking) by and for the "propertied class", the aristocracy. Call it what you like it's a group of networked families and individuals who have power in wealth and inter-connections. How this group is defined is slightly different now then it was in times past but not remarkably so. Then as now it was possible for someone to "rise up" from the "outside" from amongst the commoners and forge for themselves a role in this upper strata. It was not common and was difficult but it could and did happen. And on the fringes of this power are those who envision themselves as part of this entitled class (or hope to be) - these educated and enlightened people - who deem themselves much more capable of guiding the ship of state for the benefit of "all". "All" of course is a relative term often used to add an air of regal legitimacy and importance to their actions and beliefs but most often simply means "for themselves". These fringes are now populated by legions of experts and pundits and hangers-on, all grasping for admittance to the "royal court" where they too can partake in the bounty that power rewards to the useful and loyal. The more I step back and look, the more similarities I see between then and now. Add to this the resurgence of religion into the boiling political cauldron and is it very hard to see even darker more ominous storm clouds on the horizon? Haven't we (western nations) been here and seen this before? Can't we guess where all of this is going to lead us? Let's make a short list -
1) Vast numbers of disaffected poor and unemployed, people barely getting by
2) Romanticized ideals of a Past held up as a goal to protect or return to
3) The belief that the "ruler" is in ways unaccountable to those beneath as he grasps more power from those charged with checking that power
4) Enormous debt in which the average citizen gets squeezed to support the self-destructive system of waste
5) pervasive scandal, cronyism, secrecy, treachery and deceit
6) Various degrees of religious fervor pulling and prodding to spread their beliefs and practices onto the whole
7) Expensive wars being waged while the country falls deeper into bankruptcy
I've just finished the chapters dealing with King James I (James VI) and then on into his son Charles I. And I just can't help but see some striking parallels between them/then and us/now. They certainly seem similar to me. Not exact players and situations obviously but still strikingly similar conditions.
Conservatism is by it's very definition is an attempt to either maintain the "traditional" or to return to it. This means resisting political and social change and very often the "tradition" is based either on idyllic fantasy or on past grim fact. The idyllic is sold to the people while the end result remains grim.
BTD makes this comment and attributes this view to liberals. I beg to differ here Brad. How can liberals alone be credited for this when it is not a difficult observation to make in current or historical terms. The very traditions that conservatives want to remain unchanged or to return to demonstrate just these sorts of characteristics when viewed from outside the palace.
There is a deeper level to all of this other than outright greed and arrogance (although that does not make it any less reprehensible to me). There has always been an honest belief that the endeavors by those within this sort of system are for the "common good". A belief that there ARE people that are better or ordained to rule and control and make it all happen. And that they are the ones to do it. That without them and their version of the "common good" society and the world as a whole would fall into chaos (morally, politically and economically). They believe their way is the proper way and is to be perused at all costs for all of our sakes. Everyone else just doesn't "get it". But no matter, they will not abandon the helm. They have the fortitude to endure.
And so now, just as then, they groom their children - their heirs - to whom they can pass the mantle of power on to and thus ensure that order is maintained. They school them in the "ways of leadership". In the philosophy of the elite. It seems some things never change (which makes conservatives very happy indeed). It's more than a little ironic that conservatives use the term "elite" to batter their opponents (liberals) with when they in fact are the very bastions of the word.
/ramble :-)
January 8, 2008 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
One other minor point: The research on authoritarianism as a personality type--whether by Adorno, Rokeach, or the more recent review from the Berkeley Department of Psychology--reveals a startling and well documented overlap in attitude and cognitive style between adherents of conservative ideology and protofascist and and other expressions of antihuman authoritarianism.
January 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention The Milgram Experiment ;>
January 8, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as an observer to this debate, I have to ask what is the importance of a NY Times columnist to 95% of the American public?
January 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
To 80%, maybe, none whatever. But keep in mind that Times columnists are syndicated and therefore often reprinted in newspapers around the country, and also that some of them are regulars on TV, where they are listened to by many more. Kristol, of course, is already very well known among conservative movement activists and thinkers, owing to his regular appearances on Fox News and hsi editorship of the Weekly Standard. The question is why the Times chose to amplify his voice, and my first column (linked at the top of this one) suggested that Sulzberger is trying to pre-empt a coming assault from Murdoch's new, soon-to-be-pumped-up Wall Street Journal.
January 8, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am heavily involved in State and Local politics and I also travel extensively through out the US. As part of my political activity, I always try to keep a finger on the pulse of both the opposition and the large group of moderates and independents.
The mood of this election is quite different from any previous elections I have encountered.
In the past the public’s motivation and anger has been directed at the “Washington Insiders”. For the first time, I hear a great consensus from all sides that the problems with our country come not from Washington directly but from corporate greed and its control of Washington.
The die hard right wingers haven’t and never will lose their belief in America the Corporation. The great middle of this country has finally had enough of Corporate Control and greed. The left already holds this populist position.
The reasons for this shift are too lengthy and complex to summarize in this post. One of the rarely stated consequences of this populist reaction is to discount the numerous television talking heads as well as any News outlet deemed to be tied to Corporate Control.
The NY Times and the Wall Street Journal are tied right into the corporate connection. This is not to discount all effects from the pundits but for the first time I hear the great majority of people stating that “Corporations control the news”. This statement applies to anything outside of purely local events. Everyone says the newspapers, the TV pundits and the media are all tied to a corporate agenda.
The deregulation of the media by the FCC has finally proven to the people that money and greed and hidden agendas are now in control.
The recent inaccuracies in political polling help to bear this out. No one is going to listen to the media hype as anything but hype. The opinion columns are treated the same way.
The days of the big media push are, for now, over.
The power and influence of one columnist’s words have been greatly diminished.
January 9, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tend to agree with your theory about Murdoch and even made an "OIC" comment on your last post precisely because Kristol was/is a talking-heads-TV celebrity before he was hired by them. This is not the tradition for their columnists, rather, some of them became celebs because of their column (through getting book deals and then ending up on TV.) They needed a conservative, but this time they wanted to try a celeb conservative.
Yes, to be sure there might be some old boy network stuff going on here, but I am hesitant to give it too much weight. It would be more in the vein of cluelessly being more trusting of your own little network to solve a foreseen future marketing problem.
I suspect they are afraid Murdoch Inc. understands the intertubes more than they do (MySpace, etc.) which is probably dumb of them to think. Certainly, one thing Murdoch Inc. has been successful at in the past is sales to mass culture, of that no one can deny. But there is no reason yet to suspect Murdoch himself has such a good crystal ball as what to do with WSJ as for future success.
It remains to be seen whether Kristol will draw the mouse clicks and make the "most emailed" lists. If he does that, then you might see more of the same.
Take a look at how often Josh Marshall does videos now all of a sudden, think about that. Think about since around 2002, more and more classic print reporters go on the tube regularly to explain the story of the day, as with the whole MSNBC/WaPo arrangement.
They want to preserve an ivy league sort of page while at the same time get some pop culture in there? Kristol's got both--unfortunately, I think that might be a bit clueless and lacking in understanding of the marketing they are thinking about.
But as long as we see someone like Maureen Dowd on the "most emailed" list, you can be assured that they are going to keep trying to find a "popular" conservative. Tierney, for example, was a bomb, a real yawner, not celeb potential, had to go. I think they might be cluelessly making a similar mistake here, not seeing Kristol's "old fart" quotient.
January 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Kristol isn't betraying the school's values by being a conservative. He's violating the values by being a blind asshole.
January 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel Greenbaum -- Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion were not so much about "taxes" as they were about backcountry/agrarian resentment of cosmopolitan-Atlantic ports.
For actual info on this, check out Robert A. Gross, ed., IN DEBT TO SHAYS.
If you don't want to get into a major historical analysis, then don't use historical examples and arguments!
Ben Cronin
January 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes they were about rural people being taxed and feeling unrepresented. They were put down by the forces of the central government. They most certainly were anti-tax revolts just as the Revolution was spurred by the British desire to tax the colonists for protecting them. Without the taxes there would have been no rebellions. More to the point read the rhetoric of othe Anti-Federalists or the leaders of the Rebellions. It often seems as if Ronald Reagan was quoting verbatim.
Read Bernard Bailyn, Ideological Origins of the American Revolution, Gordon Wood, Creation of the Republic and particularly Saul Cornell's The Other Founders.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
January 10, 2008 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Daniel, that your reading of history is informed by your reading of current conservative bugaboos.
The notion that the American revolution was principally, or even substantially a tax revolt is so remarkably off the wall as to not even bear commenting upon.
The fact that obsessed nutcases might right books propounding that point of view isn't really proof of anything. Unless you're also willing to concede the existence of Atlantis, the reality of various space alien visitors, the tentacles of a secret satanist movement, black helicopters, the healing power of crystals, etc. Nuts write lots of books, it keeps them out of trouble. It's only in giving these nuts and their books too much credibility that trouble starts.
The American constitution, that glorious document, speaks of 'inalienable rights' to 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.' There are innumerable passages and amendments relating to civil rights, to the relationship between the states and the federal government, and the relation of each to the people.
The American constitution is not now, and never was, principally a charter of taxation particulars. The Federalist Papers are voluminous. But taxation issues were not a main obsession.
January 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The American Constitution was written after the Revolutionary War had been over for a number of years during which we were governed by the Articles of Confederation. The actual revolution had a heck of a lot to do with the taxation without representation idea.
January 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the refusal of the British to allow the colonists to rape, pillage and displace Indian tribes that they had treaties with.
And the penchant of the British to quarter their troops in the homes of American colonists.
Arbitrary, mercantile and monopolistic British trading practices which subordinated American colonists interests to British interests, and which were believed to exact usurious prices.
Writs of assistance which essentially terminated rights to security of person and property in favour of arbitrary search and seizure.
The end of the French and Indian Wars, which saw the American colonies free of any other competing European threat.
It's true that the issue was taxation without representation. But where do you put the emphasis? The tax burdens that Britain intended and attempted to impose on the colonists were quite low compared to that endured by citizens in Britain. It strikes me that the issue was as much or more representation.
Let me put it this way. Certain Christofascist lunatics believe that the Constitution mandates a theocratic state, because there's a phrase in it that says "signed in the year of our lord, AD whatever."
It's easy to ideologically cut and paste and impose a particular view on the past. Don't make it true...
January 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink