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Well, tonight's the night. Not just the last night of 2007 but also the day when the first annual Golden Dukes were announced. Haven't heard who won yet? See the results in today's episode of TPMtv or see find out who won here.


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Happy New Year (I hope) to you and your family Josh.

John Dean takes the cake!

But with that out of the way, as Mr Dean pointed out, we all know who the puppet-master is.

Not wishing to miss the ongoing New Years festivities out on the stage, I must cheat.

With High-Fives to Scott Pakin:

I would like to clarify some comments I made recently regarding George & Big Dick.

For openers, I once overheard Big Dick say something quite astonishing. Are you strapped in? Big Dick said that he is forward-looking, open-minded, and creative. Can you believe that? At least his statement made me realize that slimy and unpatriotic, his proposed social programs resemble a dilapidated shed. Kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse, proving my claim that Big Dick has been known to "prove" statistically that the average working-class person can't see through his chicanery. As you might have suspected, his proof is flawed. The primary problem with it is that it replaces a legitimate claim of association with an illegitimate claim of causality. Consequently, Big Dick's "proof" demonstrates only that he used to complain about being persecuted. Now Big Dick is our primary persecutor. This reversal of roles reminds me that he claims that his debauches are the result of a high-minded urge to do sociological research. I would say that that claim is 70% folderol, 20% twaddle, and 10% another bestial attempt to undermine the foundations of society until a single thrust suffices to make the entire edifice collapse.

Even though Big Dick gives flattering titles to his natural distempers, Big Dick ought to realize that the most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do. Unfortunately, he tends to utter so much verbiage about Pyrrhonism that I can conclude only that Big Dick seems to assume that obscurity, evasiveness, incomprehensibility, indirectness, and ambiguity are marks of depth and brilliance. This is an assumption of the worst kind because he says that anyone who disagrees with him is ultimately capricious. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. My contempt for Big Dick is boundless. While this lighthearted statement adds sorely needed humor to an otherwise tense situation, Big Dick has repeatedly been spotted turning hoodlums loose against us good citizens. When questioned about that, he either denies any knowledge of it or offers unbelievable and ludicrous explanations that only an insolent libertine could believe.

Think about that for a minute. Let it sink in. It should soon become clear that Big Dick says that he needs a little more time to clean up his act. As far as I'm concerned, Big Dick's time has run out. Mass anxiety is the equivalent of steroids for him. If we feel helpless, Big Dick is energized and ramps up his efforts to preach fear and ignorance.

One final point: George & Big Dick's ability to destroy our culture, our institutions, and our way of life is astounding.

Everyone -- Have a great great year to come... It's time for me to go entertain the crowd and, "Put on a Happy Face."

~OGD~

I appreciate that these awards are about a most sincere sarcasm but even in this negative context the awarding of an accolade feels highly inappropriate relative to the gravity of events that both the winners and nominees have wrought upon our country. Maybe I am taking this too seriously but I find it impossible to find even the slightest shred of humor in how demonstrably the Bush administration has harmed this nation. It is a sad commentary that we've been compelled for reasons of nothing less that the most fundamental moral and ethical corruption of our most sacred institutions, to displace justice with humor. I just cannot laugh.

thepeople...


many people are getting a basic political education using the same tactic as Josh with his Golden Dukes Awards.

Watch The Daily Show or Stephen Colbert now and then.

I think it is most important, at times, to find humor in tragedy.  It allows you to step back - remove yourself from it.  This state of being is the only place you can be if you you want to move on, move on towards justice.  I am not saying the humor is the only way to reach this space of objectivity.  I have no academic understanding of this, but I would suggest that the only way people make advancements is by letting some of the seriousness of their perceived problems subside.  When I am in my most distraught and moody character, I also know I am not the most reasonable. 

I would use the Dalai Lama as a great example of this.  A man who by his nature, is more contemplative and compassionate than I could ever consider to be - and about the big things too - is a damn funny man who finds a connective levity in everything.  

And remember that humor and comedy is the best thing to counteract brainwashing. 

I have no academic understanding of this, but I would suggest that the only way people make advancements is by letting some of the seriousness of their perceived problems subside.

You have a intuitive and excellent understanding of dynamics.  While humor can be used in many ways, of course, it is a very high level method of coping.  It gives you psychological distance from emotional travails and thus perspective, helps alleviate tension too.  And apparently the latest medical research says laughing is good for your cardiovascular system.

 

You'd make a terrible Jew.

You'd make a terrible Jew.

Because...? 

Jan

It's not always easy to try to explain humor ...

remember, we're at a certain loss here wrt aural tonal nuance etc ...

sometimes perhaps it might be wisest to give the benefit of the doubt when something seems somewhat suspicious ...

If you have to explain humor it's probably not that funny.  Is the joke that jews have learned to laugh despite the fact that they have suffered more than anyone else on the planet?

If so...there might be some others who would like to join in on the fun...

Jan

Jan --

I'm really clueless about what the joke is ... it's not mine.

But it usually occurs to me that there are many interpretations available to anyone thinking about anything.

I'm not sure though about Jews suffering more than any others; I believe we all suffer the consequences (eg pain or loss of feeling and/or other pathologies) of the effects of monsters bent on bringing more hell into the human experience on earth.

And altho sometimes I enjoy imagining all sorts of terrible torments for those monsters, I hope I always finally prefer to retain my own humanity in dealing with them so that I do not lose myself (my true human nature) and provide them with an undeserved victory.

Their sickness is (I believe) that they serve the evil which would degrade our own true humanity. They have lost it to the evil one and are left with no higher purpose than serving that master which is the enemy of humanity.

But I did go on ... whoops!

Is the joke that jews have learned to laugh despite the fact that they have suffered more than anyone else on the planet?

Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Bonus points for your sarcastic exaggeration though, reminds me of my 8 year old niece.

hahaha

that has to be funny!

I can and do sympathize with your perhaps stunned consternation; I appreciate your sensible perception of the realities we must all face sooner or later ...

however, I have reached a point that laughing about our situation, or more particularly actually at the wicked people and their devastating crimes which brought us to this monstrous state of affairs, feels very healthy indeed!

In fact it seems to me that our ability to laugh while honestly and courageously facing such unwelcome yet real and horrendous destruction seems to imbue us with a sense of triumph and transcendence, ie we recognize our true circumstances, entailing unprecedented corruption engendering innumerably evident failures, yet we remain inherently undefeated, truly far from hopeless, resolutely refusing to be fooled or mislead by the psychos who usurped the most necessarily highly trustworthy offices of our country, and in laughing at them and their incredibly contemptible crimes, we put them where they belong -- at the butt of our harshest ridicule -- demonstrating just how they cannot succeed in their sick and sorry bamboozlements any longer!

Our irrepressible laughter reveals truly indomitable human spirit! Anything evoking that kind of prevailing spirit in ourselves is invaluably worthwhile as far as I'm concerned, and even most especially in times of greatest trial.

So I'm hoping we can all find something funny enough to give us a great laugh.

And if we're fortuitously given to laugh at the miserable freaks now "in power" these days, more power to us; because that's just the healthiest perspective I can see them in myself -- we render them powerless over us; which may well be the first step in rendering them to the ultimate justice they certainly deserve (if not immediately to their secret torture chambers)!

And that would make the whole world smile on us!

Oh, Bravo! Hear-hear!!

thank you thank you very much

I had to work on it; it took a while!

xox!

I don't agree it's inappropriate to call attention to official conduct. I myself don't find it all that interesting to compile such lists; you might even say it trades on a real achievement, the dogged "collective reporting" on TPM that made a difference in the Abramoff scandal and earned Josh a deserved rep. And I have no patience at all to watch such video clips. (Well, I don't watch the Oscars either.) Most such things can be said with less personality pushing in 6 words. And mostly what I get from looking at the home page there recently is that Josh has a fashionably perpetual two day's growth of a beard. 

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

John --

Pardon me, but your line:

I don't agree it's inappropriate to call attention to official conduct.

doesn't actually make sense, or not in any 'standard English' sense ...

Can you explain or clarify what you tried to tell us? What is it that you don't agree with?

As you're a long-time TPM reader, surely you don't think it inappropriate to call attention to official conduct; do you?

Maybe you need a good rest. Take some time off; get your head together ... don't strain yourself too much.

BTW, Josh is giving quite a few people quite a lot of pleasure, fun and empowerment too! I hope you don't want to poo poo that too!

I hope you can lighten up and enjoy your TPM visits again! Maybe there's still something for you even if you have to avoid all the funny bits! hahahaha

A laugh a minute! Finally, a New Years Day event we can all look forward to.

Maybe you should actually organize an event, broadcast this one, too, it would be a lot of fun to watch...

And you certainly need to come up with more categories, such as "most hilarious serial buffoon", which would surely have included George Allen, Larry Craig (Craig gets the Most Versatile Buffoon award, surely) Rick "puppy love" Santorum,

...and the winner of the serial buffoon award is none other than Deadeye Dick Cheney, from shooting his pal in the jugular vein, to lurking in the bushes as Bush misspoke, to conjuring up new-age mushroom clouds, to fomenting typical Bush-era diplomacy with Iran, he's been the star of stars.

George Bush chiming in here!  (Had to take over the troll patrol to do it!  hey, what is a troll?  and what's with that "seek wisdom" down below this white space here?)

Well, I like the limelight!  So I'm glad to accept the award.  I never read the papers.  And the internets.. who needs em?  But I like awards.  I'm having so much fun being president.  Still hoping to be dictator. 

Off to do some biking.  Thanks again.  tpm... what does that mean?

 

Seek Wisdom

A veritable Cornucopia of Chronically Corrupt Conservatives.

I'm a big fan, but this was distinguished by things not associated with TPM.

It was heavy-handed, predictable, unfunny, and annoying. The categories were not particularly reflective of the entrants, the entrants drop-kicked road kill. It was humor of a level the conservatives tried with their lame, pathetic, and derivative attempt at The Daily Show on Faux. Further, the build ups overshadowed the finale. And were funnier. Really, I'm not hungover.

And Gonzales gets skunked? Come on.

darkcloud@darkendeavors.com

Wow, I'm shocked by all the negative comments. I loved the Dukeys. They provided some fun in the middle of polls and Iowa and a vacationing Congress and the looniest gaggle of Republicans I can ever recall.

Sure, there was a time when I looked at the sheer number (and depth) of examples of corruption in our government and took pause, but then I remembered a few things:

1- Going into an election year, I NEEDED to be reminded of these events.

2- Going into an election year- OTHERS NEEDED to be reminded of these events.

3- The joke isn't about the event that occured. The joke was about the irony- the hypocrisy of anti-gay homosexuals, truth-seeking liars, and justice-seeking criminals.

These f***ers deserve to be ridiculed and mocked and called what they are: heaping piles of pure Dukey.

I didn't expect near troll ratings from good people. I'll try to learn from that. I certainly didn't mean to attack Josh personally, and I tried to express my respect for his dogged past work. Maybe I'm just too old for the new Web, about videos, celebrity bloggers, and cute jokes. If it gets someone's attention, fine. It just happens to get in the way of what I originally came to TPM for. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

It is an important point that you raise, your uncomfortable relation with the style or interaction on the web. (is uncomfortable the right word?)  I feel like I am a decade too old to embrace the web as my defining technology.  I still get my news in print and have to shop for hard copies of music and literature IN a store.  I know when television videos matured during my adult formative years, my parents just did not get the frenetic and seemingly unscripted interface.  They just couldn't plug into the medium.  What was the defining medium or environment for you that your elders just didn't get?  Is there a way to format this to make is more accessible?  It seems like so much more public discourse and certainly news dissemination is done over the web now.  We need to keep everyone in on this.

Per Wholly Rogue E, my "'I don't agree it's inappropriate to call attention to official conduct' doesn't actually make sense, or not in any 'standard English' sense ... Can you explain or clarify what you tried to tell us? What is it that you don't agree with?" You see, a previous commentator dumped on Josh for being just jocular. I was disagreeing and supporting the outing of official (mis)conduct, although evidently in an old fogey way of my own. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

John --

thanks; glad to hear that.

the lack of punctuation and putting those thoughts together in one line as if they were one sentence makes it almost self-contradictory, at least confusing ...

I thought most old fogeys had more exposure to 'standard English usage' ...

I hope you'll have more patience with the recent TPM enhancements and fun-making! they're such a joy to so many others, I'm sure ...

and Josh does well to appeal to more than just your own particular (and strictly limited) preferences please don't forget ... give him and us a break; okay?

and I'll try not to be too sarcastic with you when you just can't seem to 'get with it' ... and when your usage is unclear and nonsensical ... (altho I hope you'll work on it some!)

take care

Oh, you should tell me where the grammar or punctuation are flawed. I've reread it a couple of times now, and I'm an editor by profession. It doesn't spell out clearly enough its antecedents in what I replied to (or, if you wish, in that to which I replied). It doesn't mark clearly the transition from my support of Josh to my own criticism. In short, it was flawed by my biases about the online community, but also by compression. However, if there's any punctuation missing or if there are other violations of standard English usage, especially in the context of online discourse, I can't seem to find them. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

okay, John

I was probly too critical and picky (and contentious and annoyed with your basic message, I suppose).

Maybe ongoing online discourse isn't necessarily required to be perfectly clear anyway, ie even if read out of its immediate context ...

standard usage mainly serves to provide certain clarity, as I understand its purpose

upon rereading that line I objected to (when it seemed so confusing), I'll now agree can easily enough be interpreted just as you later explained it ...

so, pardon me please.

but perhaps not punctuation so much as a well-placed demonstrative pronoun would have helped me out then?

altho that could be inferred ... heeheee

peace

John, I read your explanation, reread the offending post and found that I was mistaken in rating it as I did. I corrected my rating. I'm an old fogey too, but I found Josh's little game very funny. And, I'm quite sure that he would welcome anyone's suggestion for a way to make the 4 o'clock shadow appear at 4 o'clock instead of 9 o'clock.

Hoppy in Sacramento

My one complaint is that there weren't nearly enough categories.  I am available to help out next year! 

Examples: 

Biggest bald-faced liar

Most dangerous SOB in the world

Most likely to get indicted by the World Court (if there is a god)

Most likely to get his/her daughter an abortion and also planning to overturn of Roe v Wade

...or the one you missed this year:

Winner of the most obvious example of a person who has benefitted from racial quotas; resents it more than anyone else; hates his (white) colleagues  (says that they should "shut up")AND his job, and doesn't want others of his race to get the same breaks in case they might also be as bitter as he is, and has actually written a screed about it.  He surely deserves a statuettte in the mail too! 

Call me next year; I'll help you out! 

Jan

I might add:

After leaving office, the one most likely to have his/her head lopped off or body vaporized as soon as the Secret Service lets down its guard ...

Or the one most likely to get coughed and sneezed on at a big fund-raising dinner speech by some apparently sick 'illegal alien' immigrant food server, thereby contracting a most virulent virus or mutated pathogen and falling deathly ill within hours ... or maybe the food was contaminated ... some of these agents can make the victim wish to die asap ...

These things can happen -- even by accident sometimes!

They won't be able to hire enough Secret Service people to protect all the criminals not lucky enough to be tried in a court of law!

First things first - I like the idea of the Golden Dukes, I like the irreverance, and good job getting such a distinguished panel of judges. The choice of John Dean was particularly apt.

Perhaps the issue here, assuming the Golden Dukes are not going to be a one-hit wonder, is that the winners this year have set the benchmark against which future awards will be decided. And I can't help but feel Alberto Gonzales is to the Golden Dukes what The Shawshank Redemption was to the Oscars.

I guess I can understand the choice of George Bush and Bradley Schlozman for their respective awards where Gonzales must have been a strong contender, but I must disagree with your judges on the choice of Sara Taylor for Best Testimonial Trainwreck. That award had to be Gonzales', and here's my reasoning.

1. Sara Taylor is a junior GOP loyalist in training, someone out of her depth and frankly some sort of competent testimony would seem beyond her experience and/or capability. (Lurita Doan is the same class of nominee, so too Monica Goodling)

Gonzales, in contrast, was the Attorney-General. You expect, at the very least, something a little polished from a person in his position. You certainly do not expect, for example, to see his chief of staff flatly contradict him.

2. Sara Taylor's testimony did not lead to a perjury investigation. Different story with Gonzales.

3. Gonzales' press conferences provided information that conflicted with with what he had testified, or would testify in future.

4. Gonzales achieved an improbable bipartisan consensus that he was unfit for his job. He managed to draw criticism even from staunch GOP loyalists such as Jeff Sessions and Tom Coburn.

One argument in favor of Sara Taylor over Gonzales is that Gonzales' testimony was more successful in protecting the higher-ups. But I think this obfuscates a key point; that both their testimonies removed all doubt about the politicization of federal government (and thus allowed George Bush to claim his Golden Duke).

And here's the thing, in years ahead, most of us will forget the Sara Taylor testimony. It will fade into the morass of corruption and ineptitude of the Bush era exemplified by all the other lower level GP operatives. But we won't forget Gonzales, because he was the Attorney-General.

It's like The Shawshank Redemption, which pretty much every fan of the film knows did not win any Oscars. Do you remember which films beat it out? Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump, mainly the latter. But you know the academy missed a great opportunity to recognize a timeless film, and I reckon the Golden Duke elites missed a similar opportunity with Gonzales.

Compared with previous AG's defense of executive malfeasance of yesteryear, Gonzales' perfomance was masterfully appalling. Sheer perfection in terms of its mendacity, deception, incompetence, feebleness, corruption, cronyism, and (attempted) chutzpah. Whilst we might see Sara Taylor's like again, I cannot imagine any AG would demean himself and the office quite as thoroughly as Gonzales.

Sara Taylor is Forrest Gump, a likeable film but with a rather glaring lack of depth or subtlety. Gonzales is Shawshank, a production blanketed by every layer of filmic greatness. Just disappointed the judges didn't see it that way...

I agree with all your points.  Maybe the solution, when there is such a strong contender for second place is to have some extra Dukes that can be cut in half.  Give the runner-ups half a Dukie!  (And watch them fight over who gets the top half versus the bottom!)

Jan

"And watch them fight over who gets the top half versus the bottom!"

I could make a joke about which end the GOP nominees would fight over but that would be too easy.

However, second place was not a solution for Gonzales, IMO. He perhaps needs an award named after him... I dunno, the AG lifetime achievement award? Or the AG Golden Pinata award, for the official who most willingly subjects himself to public humiliation?

Just something to recognize the man's gift to the annals of DC scandal.

Right.  Alberto is in a class by himself! 

(He has a lot of class but it's all low.)

My nomination for his "award"  --->

THE FREDO

 For the unrivaled and unequaled, highest demonstration of dishonesty and complete and utter incompetence of a high public official.  (Let's hope that no one else is ever even in the running!)

Jan

I completely agree with Jan.

Josh, if you are listening, please add the "Fredo" award to your annual festivities.

Since Gonzales' testimony was such a performance, perhaps the FREDO should be awarded during the Oscar season.

I must defend the judges' choice of Sara Taylor, the quintessential emblem of Republicans of our era. Hertzberg said it perfectly: "But what singles her out as deserving the Dukie is her belief that she had taken 'an oath to the President.' This sums up much of what is wrong with the Bush Administration, from its cult-of-personality code of allegiance to the Leader to its ignorant disregard of the Constitution."

That said, the Fredo idea is brilliant. The Dukies' own answer to the Oscars' Irving Thalberg award, in memory of a guy so incompetent, unethical, and just plain weaselly that he defied pigeonholing into any single Dukie category.

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