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Facebook & The National Surveillance State (Response to Readers)

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 Facebook is under mounting public pressure over how the company manages and monetizes the personal information of its 58 million users. Fights over how people “control” their online identities are especially important now, since the growth of social networking coincides with a resurgence of government surveillance, including a massive N.S.A. domestic spying program that is widely believed to be illegal. (Senior Bush administration officials have said as much explicitly, in James Comey’s Senate testimony, and implicitly, in their fight to grant retroactive immunity to the telcos.) So naturally, several people have responded to my Facebook article by raising the important connection to government surveillance. TPM reader Reece argues that Facebook qualms are dwarfed by the real Big Brother in Washington:


...neither Facebook nor Visa can toss me in jail. Neither Facebook nor Visa can prosecute me for anything. Neither Facebook nor Visa can accuse me of being a terrorist or keep me in a secret detention center or subject me to torture. I have no doubt that we need more regulation of personal information in the hands of private businesses, and I would like to see that legislation. But I'm always going to be more concerned about the government than I am about Facebook.

A satirical riposte from Wonkette turned on a similar premise:

…being overly concerned about what I’m buying from Amazon being broadcast over the interwebs or having my picture used to sell Coca-Cola seems to fall a bit lower on the privacy-importance hierarchy than, say, the right to know what charges are being brought against me (‘cause there have got to be some, right?) or, i don’t know, why I’m being searched randomly on the subway for having a backpack…

But what if you were “being searched randomly” based on a government profile drawn from your putatively private information online? Sure, companies cannot “toss” people in jail, but they can provide information to the government to enable lawful searches, arrests and charges. So I think JeffC is right to emphasize:

...the government works hand-in-hand with online companies and credit card companies to track you. How much longer before places like Facebook install monitoring software based on logarithms that flag “suspicious” activity which activates more intense surveillance?

It is not an abstract hypothetical. The Bush administration runs massive domestic surveillance of our telephone calls, conducted with extensive assistance by private companies. It has also pressed search engines like Google and Yahoo to provide broad data on users’ search habits to investigate trends in potential domestic crime – not inquires targeting individual users. And as I wrote, Facebook has already been tapped by authorities ranging from campus police to the Secret Service. So even leaving aside any clandestine surveillance that has not been reported in the media, the public record shows that social networking websites are ripe for government surveillance.

I think the fact that the government can deputize websites for national security surveillance and criminal investigations is one more reason to demand that social networking sites ensure that users understand how their information can be used -- and the limits on any notion of privacy “controls” online. Facebook runs a business that provides a tool for people to share information, and in exchange for that service the company claims ownership of the users’ information, including photos, writings and activities. That’s why the company argued it had every right to take users’ photos and actions and morph them into advertisements in the Beacon debacle. Contrary to many users’ assumptions, their information was not traditionally “private,” even if they used “privacy settings” to limit access to it. Citizen groups like MoveOn and the Center for Digital Democracy are leading fights to force more privacy rules on web companies precisely because the current norms are so weak.

Yet even if industry practices improve, through user pressure or regulation, social networking sites will remain an attractive source for government surveillance and data-mining. Obviously, the lawful collection of intelligence can advance public safety, and like most Americans, I want the FBI and the NSA to do their jobs. But the Bush administration has demonstrated an extremist resistance to the most basic surveillance rules required by the Constitution and federal law, and since 9/11, neither opposition party leaders nor the public has shown intense outrage over the widely reported abuse of surveillance. For an example of how complicit both parties have been in the administration’s surveillance of American citizens, consider that the Democratic Congress is poised to go further than the Republican Congress ever did in whitewashing past spying, by granting retroactive immunity to telcos next month. So it looks like we are headed for what Yale Law Professor Jack Balkin calls the “national surveillance state,” where terrorism, the digital revolution and the evolution of warfare combine to fundamentally shift public norms and government constraints on surveillance. Balkin contends that these structural pressures are overwhelming, reducing political debates to how the Execeutive Branch leverages constant, massive surveillance of the citizenry, not if:

Whichever party is in power will work toward the creation of such a state, the only difference is how they will negotiate the risks to civil liberties and the concentration of power in the Executive.

Yes, it's much bigger than your Facebook profile.  But it could also start with your profile, which might list a criminal suspect among your 700 "friends," or place you at the scene of a crime.  Balkin theorizes that a digitally empowered surveillance state begins by building a supercharged parallel surveillance system "that routes around the traditional criminal justice system, and which is not subject to the oversight and restrictions of the criminal justice system."  (Sound familiar?)  But soon, the Executive is "increasingly tempted to make use of that parallel system" for everything from domestic misdemeanors to undemocratic abuses.  (The NSA applies the pressure, but private companies hold much of the information.)  Eventually, this parallel surveillance and law enforcement system might even replace our original Constitutional protections.  And if that happens, get ready to hear about how most people's personal information and activities were already posted online anyway.


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Excellent engagement with your readers and commentors, and not just because you agreed with me.

Thanks Jeff. As they say at Table for One, I'm here all week...

Two words for Reece and Wonkette - ATT and Verizon.

One indicator of fascism is the melding of corporate and government interests and actions.

Strive for the ideal, but deal with what's real.

AT&T and Verizon aren't related to this discussion. AT&T and Verizon provide services that are designed to be private and from which they are supposed to collect no information. Facebook is not private insofar as you provide your information to many people. When you have 30 or 50 or 150 or 700 "friends" you can't claim that any information provided is somehow private.

And in any case, it looks like AT&T and Verizon broke the law repeatedly.

Re: One indicator of fascism is the melding of corporate and government interests and actions.

Well, that tends to happen under just about any form of govermnment due to the old "Golden Rule", that he who has the gold makes the rules.

This notion that VISA can't throw me in jail might be more accurately stated, "VISA can't throw me in jail at this particular time." A few years ago, VISA didn't have any number of powers so-called "bankruptcy reform" gave it. Who can say what VISA will or won't be able to do in the very near future?

that's all very glib, but I think you know that we aren't returning to the days of debtors prisons.

Actually we already have for people who don't/can't/won't pay child support. My step-brother has been out of work for months and obviously can't pay. His ex-wife could have him thrown in jail for that and has threatened to. The only thing stoppibng her is that her ex-mother-in-law (my step mother) would probably stop serving as her her free baby-sitter if she did that.

That's not quite the same thing. That is probably based on a contempt of court theory. There are some states that do this, but in those states, child support is generally not considered a debt.

A credit card operates as a short term loan. Your credit card pays for something and obligates you to pay for it at a later time with high interest. I think it's pretty clear that child support is not a debt in the same sense.

Strictly speaking you are correct: delinquent child support payors are thrown in jail based on the principle that they are violating a court order (though as I mentioned the payee is theone who has to bring the complaint). However is there any reason that could not apply in other situations where a creditor has obtained a legal judgment against a debtor?

I don't know that at all. Be nice to think it isn't going to happen, but I have no faith in the credit industry-owned Democrats to stop such a thing, and heaven knows there aren't many Republicans who haven't seen a jail cell they don't love.

you don't have to have faith in the credit industry. The credit industry doesn't make the laws. The government makes the laws. Now, you might not have faith in the government, but that's why we have laws that regulate the government. If I had to guess, I would say that debtor's prison is outlawed in every state in the union. I've lived in three states and a quick check of those states' constitutions satisfied me that no one in those states will ever be thrown in prison for failure to pay a debt. It's right there in the constitution. Take a minute and check your state constitution.

"...no faith in the credit industry-owned Democrats..."

It's not the credit industry I said I had no faith in. It's their trained seals who make the laws.

But, congratulations for getting overwrought about, as you said, a glib comment. Rather than check my state constitution, I think I'll take a moment to reflect upon the nature of irony and satire, and then have a snack.

As the saying goes, Ignorance and snacks are bliss.

I've been trying to conceptualize how government will access collected personal data. My tendency for a long time was to think of electronic versions of Stasi-style personal dossiers on as many citizens and non-citizens (in country or outside country if of interest) as possible. I pick up bits of information, mostly on the Internet now, as I go along, and some reports and discussions reshape my thinking somewhat.

From the transcript of a PBS Frontline program produced by Hedrick Smith, at
FRONTLINE: spying on the home front: transcript | PBS, comes the following exchange.

ANNOUNCER: [Axciom marketing video] We house 24 terrabytes of on-line systems storage, enough capacity to contain the entire contents of the U.S. Library of Congress 48 times-

HEDRICK SMITH: [voice-over] This is a marketing video for Axciom. Since the 1990s, companies like Axciom, Lexis-Nexis and Choicepoint have marketed their ability to collect vast amounts of data about all of us, from home mortgages to spending habits, and create virtual digital dossiers.

Watergate-era reforms restricted government use of these private information empires. But after 9/11, the Bush administration lifted the restraints and pushed agencies aggressively to use private databases. This internal FBI document, for example, spread the word- "Use Choicepoint to your heart's content."

PETER SWIRE, White House Privacy Counsel, 1999-01 : When it comes to the Privacy Act, the law didn't change, but there's a change in computers that changed everything. It used to be the fear that the government would have the government database in some big room, an IBM Brainiac computer, and the Privacy Act said, "We're going to protect against problems there." Today-

HEDRICK SMITH: [on camera] You can't have a big database-

PETER SWIRE: Yeah, you can't have the big Brainiac with the one database on all Americans run by the government. But here's the trick. What you can do, if you're the FBI, is you can ping the private sector database. "Hey, Lexis-Nexis."

HEDRICK SMITH: You can access it?

PETER SWIRE: You can access it. "Hey, give me some information on this person" or on that person. And as long as you just access it one at a time, which is the way it works anyways, Privacy Act doesn't apply because it's not a government database, it's the private sector database. The law doesn't apply to the private sector data.

Now I'm realizing that most personal data of surveillance or investigative interest to federal government agencies is likely to not be stored at federal government sites, but will to a significant extent be stored by private companies, and by agencies at other levels of government, that can be “pinged” for quick access to personal data or served by National Security Letter when deemed necessary. With the right networks, hardware, and software, it might be possible to assemble one of us from remote data sources in an instant.

How and to what extent personal data from social networking sites, and from activity related to advertising on them, can be collected for government purposes I don't pretend to know, but I'm glad there's growing concern with who gets access to the personal data troves.

But what if you were “being searched randomly” based on a government profile drawn from your putatively private information online?

What putatively private information are we talking about? Facebook is effectively a public place. What I put in my facebook profile is just like what I say out loud in a public space like town square or a restaurant. We can't pretend that facebook is like having a private conversation in your house or over the phone. It just isn't.

A facebook profile is fundamentally different from many of the other information that can be tracked online or through online sources because it is information the individual provides voluntarily with the intent of making it public to other people.

Is it possible that you are conflating various notions of privacy? When you see a privacy statement on a website--typically a simple avowal that they will not sell your information to other parties--that is not the same thing that we mean when we are talking about privacy in relation to the government. Usually when we are talking about the government we mean that the government should not be investigating us without probable cause, and that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not tpmcafe, for example, sells your email address to a spammer.

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