Putin beats Gore
First the Supreme Court ruling and now this: Putin edged out Gore for Time Magazine's Person of the Year.
The good news is that this particular recognition usually is the harbinger of failure and collapse. But still: Time Magazine picks a KGB boss turned dictator as the person of the year, but passes up a man who has defined vision and aspiration for all humanity?
As if Russia were going to be anywhere close to one of the top five most important countries in the world for the rest of the century. The odds are long on that.
But even if Russia really mattered, which is hardly does in comparison to Europe, India, China, Japan, the United States, or even Brazil, still it would be true that the man who has seized control of the government in Russia has contributed absolutely nothing to the world debate on any topic, has assured that Russia contributed nothing to any global negotiation of moment, and has not articulated a single idea or cause worthy of global attention.
By contrast, Al Gore...suffice it to say there was a reason he won the Oscar and Nobel in the same year.











Comments (63)
but passes up a man who has defined vision and aspiration for all humanity?
if gore and clinton had attached labor/environmental conditions to NAFTA and the "Chinese Free Trade Agreement," then perhaps gore would be more important.
as i've posted before, gore won but perhaps there weren't any other "good choices?"
To boldly go...
December 19, 2007 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arrgghh.
This is one of the most foolish, parochial, ignorant and petty comments I have ever read on this site - and that's saying something. I personally think Putin was hands down the most important and influential figure in the world in 2007, with Gore in second place. But even if you don't think that is true, to go off an adolescent "Russia sucks" tirade is really pathetic.
December 19, 2007 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Russia sucks.
December 20, 2007 8:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The entire nation? How about the wild life? Have they disappointed you too?
December 21, 2007 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does Al Gore really need to win everything this year?
From Time:
I don't claim to know anything about Russia or Putin, but my guess is, I'm not alone in this among my fellow Americans. It is possible that Putin might be a more appropriate choice for this, but we just know more about Gore?
At the least, Time's characterization above makes me think Reed might be overly-dismissive of Putin and Russia's importance.
December 19, 2007 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is absurd to say "Magazine picks a KGB boss turned dictator". Could you please define dictator, perhaps you are using the one that gave that label to Milosovic or to Hugo Chavez. Is this from your box of definitions where Musharaf is called a president.
Why do you engage in this stupid propaganda war against Russia? Nothing good can come from this mindless hostility but another international enemy. Do you really think it is necessary to go out looking for more enemies? Don't we have enough right now?
December 19, 2007 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nailed it! Actually at Columbia they give awards to military dictators who overthrow democratically elected governments. Democracy is democracy, I guess, when the people vote for what WE want.
The word "dictator" in American parlance has as much meaning as "fascist." We know it means "bad," but not much else.
December 20, 2007 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe if the administration Reed was part of had pursued a more intelligent Russia policy, instead of promoting an anarchic, Über-free market, mafia capitalist shock treatment for the former Soviet Union, then he wouldn't have to endure the indignity of seeing his buddy Al Gore passed over. Of course, I know Reed is a great promoter of "entrpreneurialism", so I guess he admires those great entrepreneur gangsters like Berezovsky, who did their best to loot Russia in the 90's under the incompetent, drunken Yeltsin, and who now direct their media minions in London and New York in a permanent propaganda campaign against Russia. Millions of actual Russians, on the other hand think Putin is totally awesome, and has saved their country from the mess it was allowed to become in the 90's.
December 19, 2007 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but didn't lots of Germans in the 1930s think Hitler was totally awesome too? Just because Putin is popular in his country doesn't mean he's good for Russia or anyone else.
Here in Europe no one much likes Putin's aggressive attitudes, especially not the countries who have had plenty of experience with Russians in the 20th century. I know losing the superpower status has to hurt, but why can't Russians get over it and behave just like any other largish country such as Japan or Brazil?
December 20, 2007 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can understand why some Europeans would be concerned about Putin. Russia does play hardball in the energy industry, and Europeans are concerned about their own energy dependency. But isn't it just the case that Europeans are always going to be worried about a strong Russia? Any leader who does not obligingly keep Russia in a state of backwardness and submission is likely to be looked upon with suspicion. And these increasingly frequent invocations of Hitler are a bit hysterical. As far as I know, Putin operates no death camps, for example.
December 20, 2007 5:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go again, huh?
December 20, 2007 7:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your post actually highlights a problem. Like the USA, Europe is used to being able to pressure countries into doing what it wants. Hence, the rampant use of sanctions to coerce resource countries to confirm their policies to Western Self Interest. I think Russia's resurgence harkens a new balance of power between the Sanctioning West and the Resource-Holding Emerging Markets. I want to Euros to know if they jerk the Russians around it will be a long and lonely winter.
December 24, 2007 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
And Adolf Hitler was Time's "Man of the Year" in 1939. It's not a tribute per se, it is recognition of the person who has/had the most influence in the last year.
December 20, 2007 7:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
For the love of God, please stop with the Hitler references. Hitler was unique. Hitler was evil. Everyone who falls short of the your standard of "great," is not a partial Hitler, a possible Hiter, or a little Hitler. D minus.
December 21, 2007 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Putin strikes me as a bit of a thug, but less of one than our Prez, or our criminal VP. Putin also repaid the Russian national debt far ahead of schedule, and has made his country's economy strong, although the everyday Russian hasn't noticed YET.
In our case, Bush has multiplied the national debt far ahead of anyone's wildest dreams, and the end results of his disasterous economic policies are currently still hidden.
In terms of the "...Of The Year" moniker, Putin, Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rice, Lieberman... there is certainly one publication each that could name these horrible people the biggest ..asshole -or-criminal..of the year.
Jan
December 19, 2007 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
December 19, 2007 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
In case you didn't notice, the winner of the 2000 presidential election never took office. Thousands of people are dead now, who would otherwise be living with their families; several other thousands are wounded and broken because of our criminal regime. Our stature as a country has suffered enormously from the Cheney/Bush administration's mismanagement and war-mongering (not to mention condoning of torture), and our Constitution is in shreds. Delusional? I wish I were.
Jan
December 20, 2007 6:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
December 20, 2007 7:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
FYI, this is not praise:
Putin strikes me as a bit of a thug, but less of one than our Prez...
Jan
December 20, 2007 7:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Putin is much bigger thug than our Prez. You have to be blind not to see it.
If out Prez close all TV stations but Fox news than you can say that they are equal.
December 20, 2007 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
That would make a great contest for TPM.
December 20, 2007 7:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Check out Bill Maher's "Dickheads of the Year" awards in Rolling Stone. Terrific list.
December 20, 2007 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really, don't you think Gore got the things he deserved? An Oscar and the Nobel Prize? Did he really need a tri-fecta? No.
Who cares who gets Man of the Year? It is either a very bad person or a very good person. If Gore had won, we would be listening to those who would say that the Times editorial board are all into child pornography, etc.
Gore has made his point, and he doesn't need Time to add to his message. The fact that Putin showed up Bush is very appropriate, because:
1. Putin has put Russian into the black/ Bush has put the US in red ink that NO ONE will be able to get us out of
2. Putin has not invaded other countries/ 'nuff said.
3. Putin has thumbed his nose at everything Bush has done or proposed, and Bush has rolled over for him/ maybe the Democratic Congress should check out Putin's methods. They might learn something.
4. I don't care who got "Man of the Year" as long as it wasn't the man-child-coward-fool-criminal-liar Bush! His only accomplishments are his completely unabashed failures.
All that said, I put Putin into the "bad person" winner category of the Time "Man of he Year." He is just as nasty as Bush; he just happens to be a whole lot smarter.
Jan
December 19, 2007 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
December 19, 2007 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing how neoconservatives hate Islamic terrorists everywhere, except for the ones who make trouble for Russia.
December 19, 2007 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing how "progressive" love Islamic terrorists everywhere, except for the ones who make trouble for Russia.
December 19, 2007 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another swing an a miss. Some facts would be a nice change. But facts and bile don't mix.
December 20, 2007 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ronald Reagan showed the love, State of the Union Speech, Jan. 25th, 1988:
So, too, in Afghanistan, the freedom fighters are the key to peace. We support the Mujahadeen.
December 20, 2007 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
And before that FRD showed the love for Stalin, one of the worst murderers in 20th Century.
December 20, 2007 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you oppose FDR support of the Soviets in their war with Nazi Germany? Is that your point????
I can honestly say that Mujahadeen were worse than Moscow's stooges in Afghanistan. Hence, the idiocy of Reagan's remark.
For your point to work, we must assume that the Soviets were worse than the Mujahadeen...and that FDR should not have supported Stalin against Hitler. Sorry, not buying that.
December 20, 2007 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point is that life is not simple or fair.
Reagan concern was to defeat USSSR in Cold war, not worry about welware Afgani people.
December 20, 2007 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you admit he lied?
December 21, 2007 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't need to admit anything. I'm not Reagan.
But I'm sure he lied.
December 21, 2007 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have one too many "S" in USSSR, and we have one too many S in this thread.
December 21, 2007 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, who is FRD-'foolish recalcitrant dunderhead'? Stalin was an Islamic fundamentalist??
December 20, 2007 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaks volumes, no?
December 20, 2007 6:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like Russia, but Chechnya I and II were war crimes.
December 20, 2007 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Al Gore did not win the Oscar because while he wrote the book and did the narration for the documentary, he was neither the producer nor the director of "An Inconvenient Truth".
Next year should be easy to figure out. It'll be whoever wins the presidential election.
December 21, 2007 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed! What a great resume for the position of "Nobody In Any Administration Again". You're accepted! Can you start on Monday?
December 19, 2007 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed's just sore that Vlad didn't make a documentary film. But he does have an aircraft carrier fleet in the Med, doesn't that count?
Hey, look on the bright side. It's not Petraeus and it is someone who just shipped nuclear fuel to Iran, which really sticks it to Bush and the Zionists.
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December 19, 2007 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just hope the Russians don't get pissed at us and refuse to give our astronauts rides up to our space station and back every time the space shuttle proves too dangerous for any sane American to fly.
Russia has had its dark and dreary "seventy years on the road to nowhere" and has retooled itself for a better future. Vladimir Putin has had a lot to do with that. The Russian people seem to admire and respect his leadership greatly. America, on the other hand, has begun to make a habit of shooting itself in the face every time the voters elect one of our politicians to any office worth mentioning.
I like what Al Gore has done with his life in recent years on the Global Warming front, but I'll never forgive him for selecting the Likud Senator Holy Joe Lieberman as his vice presidential running mate and thus blowing the Presidency in 2000. I don't normally give much of a shit what Time Magazine says about anything, but both Al Gore and Vladimir Puting deserve credit for what each has done in the past six years, each in his own way. I really don't see the point here with Reed Hunt's sour-grapes, invidious comparison of apples and oranges, so to speak.
At any rate, America now has a "government" only slightly less dysfunctional than our puppet dependencies in the city of Kabul, Afghanistan, or the Baghdad Green Zone Castle. We Americans really ought to just shut up, hang our heads in humiliation, and stop braying "we're number one!" when we don't even come close any more -- unless by "number one" we mean "The Worst and the Dullest." We simply have no shame.
December 19, 2007 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
December 20, 2007 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Calling Putin a dictator is ludicrous. Apparently, the author is confusing him with our allies Mubarek and Musharrif.
The rest of the article is best viewed through this flawed lens. The so-called "democratic forces" represent virtually no one. People like Garry Kasparov have no real following in Russia. Pretending like he speaks for Russia is like claiming that Mike Gravel is the Voice of America.
Will Mr. Hunt's Orwellian misuse of language end, please?
December 20, 2007 6:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps he is referring to the way Fightin' Joe laid down and died in the weeks following the election.
December 21, 2007 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
What does it have to do with being "Likud Senator" ?
December 21, 2007 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Likud" refers to where his loyalties lay. He is also known as the Senator from Tel Aviv.
This, however, is not the worst thing about Fightin' Joe. It is but one among many.
His performance during the recount fight was, what we call in the boxing game, "a dive".
December 21, 2007 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
What were the diffs between him and Gore in I/P issues in 2000? I don't think there were any.
If so if the issue were not policies, the issue was that Libierman is Jew. In any case there are no evidences that his loyalties were with Likud in 2000.
December 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: As if Russia were going to be anywhere close to one of the top five most important countries in the world for the rest of the century. The odds are long on that.
Top five? Maybe not. But top 10, definitely. The country has enormous natural resources, and we are entering a period when resource scarcity will be common. It occupies a very large piece of real estate across the land mass of Eurasia, bordering Europe, China and MIddle East, giving it key strategic positioning relative to those regions. And it still has a very serious nuclear arsenal.
December 20, 2007 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is not difficult for me to imagine Russia being an important country long into this century. Putin is an important world figure. It is an important country now.
Our family is just back from living for a year in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia, squeezed in between Russia and Turkey and bordering the Black Sea for those not familiar with the Caucasus part of the world. A friend of ours, with good contacts and sources having recently worked for a well plugged-in NGO in Tbilisi, believes based on what she is hearing that if and when Kosovo declares its independence (possibly soon) either the breakaway region of Abkhazia (NW Georgia, along the Black Sea coast) will declare itself a sovereign nation or else Russia will take it by force. (Russia has been maintaining that if Kosovo can be recognized as a sovereign nation then so should Abkhazia, which infuriates the Georgians, who consider Abkhazia part of Georgia although it has been governing itself since the post-independence Georgian civil war ended in the early 1990s.)
At any rate, if this comes to pass it will set off a round of discussion in the US media about whether this signals the beginning of a new era of Russian expansionism or is, rather, likely sui generis.
But I digress. I thought Gore should have gotten it last year and would have been a deserving recipient this year as well. But that is only if Time magazine wishes to signify some sort of moral approval or at least moral neutrality in its award of the honor.
I recall Time in 1982 or 1983, IMS, naming Reagan and Soviet premier Yuri Andropov as their People of the Year. I commented on it to my father, saying something to the effect that "these two guys between them could go a long way towards ridding the world of the nuclear threat, they are not doing that, and Time 'rewards' them by naming them its people of the year? What gives with that?"
His reply was that the award as he understood it is not supposed to be based on the moral merit of the person's contributions, just their significance, for better or worse as the case may be.
Indeed.
For me this simply makes the award less prestigious and significant.
December 20, 2007 8:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Putin is better than a piece of f%*kin' TIN FOIL. TIME is a rag, you can get better news from free tabloids they hand out at subway entrances. Reference the latest Joe Klein fiasco for recent evidence.
December 20, 2007 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Betcha Gore isn't sitting around playing the barstool game of who really should be Time's Man of the Year.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
December 20, 2007 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Precisely. Anyway, who reads Time anymore?
December 20, 2007 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"As if Russia were going to be anywhere close to one of the top five most important countries in the world for the rest of the century. The odds are long on that."
I wonder what the odds were in 1607 that people from a tiny island off the coast of Europe would dominate the world for the better part of the next four five centuries.
That isn't to say that Russia will be the next empire but it is foolish to think it couldn't happen. After all, England's rise owes a lot to its privateers. Who knows whether Russia's Organizatsiya will be as beneficial for it.
December 20, 2007 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
but passes up a man who has defined vision and aspiration for all humanity?
Deepak Chopra was up for it this year?
Michael Barone has a pretty strong slam on Time for picking Putin over Petraeus:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2007/12/20/putin-odd-choice-as-person-of-the-year.html
December 20, 2007 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now this is a funny line from Barone: "What seemed to be an imminent American defeat has been transformed into an imminent American success. And Petraeus has done more than any other person to turn that around."
The success is a fiction of the American media. Once the ethnic cleansing has occurred, you can't claim a success.
Welcome to America: The land of Potemkin Village Politics and Punditry.
Next headline: "Welcome to New Orleans, Land of Glorious Leader George Bush's Urban Planning Success Stories"
December 21, 2007 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Poor mythbuster,
It has to be hard on you to live in a country and wish this country to fail.
December 21, 2007 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's very easy to live here. And I'm rich. Just because I oppose the veil of darkness that has fallen over this country since 2000, that doesn't mean it's been "hard" for me. Fact is, I care about those Americans less fortunate than me who are actually suffering from the crimes of the Bush Administration. And I care about the millions of Iraqis were have been ethnically cleansed from their homes since this project in Disaster Capitalism was unleashed on them.
And yes, I do wish my country to "fail" when it commits evil. I want it to do right. It's called morality.
December 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So how do you want my country to fail in Iraq?
December 21, 2007 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I want my country's armed forces to leave immediately and apologize to the Iraqi people on the way out.
December 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
It looks like Kurds don't mind us to stay.
Can they stay there?
December 21, 2007 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure: I think it's a "great" strategic idea to support the people who are killing our NATO allies in Turkey.
December 24, 2007 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want to ask Mr. Reed and others on this thread one question.
Can you name one leader of a country Americans don't like, or are wary of, who is seen as anything but a mad, despotic, power hungry individual with little talent except to grab power and destroy his people? If you can't, go ahead and name your favorite (or least hated) leader from these.
Can you then compare that person to the leaders of countries that are American allies and dictatorships (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc.) and compare the muted response Parvez Musharraf gets to the dismissal Putin gets in this country.
I hope the exercise will help clear the fact that you are looking at these leaders from a narrow prism of American media and viewpoint.
December 21, 2007 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
December 21, 2007 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink