Former CIA Bin Laden Hunter Says A Neglectful Congress & Executive Should Be TIME's Persons of the Year
In response to my note that "The Guantanamo Detainee" be named TIME's person of the year because of the legal and political convulsions and hemorrhaging that will be caused for years ahead by institutionalized extralegalism there, Michael Scheuer sent me a thoughtful note of his own on the subject that needs to be read.
Scheuer, as most know, was head of the CIA's now terminated "bin Laden unit" and authored Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror, Through our Enemies' Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America, and the forthcoming Marching Towards Hell: America and Islam After Iraq.
From Michael Scheuer to Steven Clemons, 15 December 2007Steve,
With respect, I would have to say that a Congress and Executive that refuse to execute the laws (borders and immigration); a Congress that has abdicated its exclusive constitutional authority to declare war and so allows wars to be initiated on one man's whim; and the negligence of Congress and the Bush and Clinton administrations to secure all the weapons in the Former Soviet Union's Nuclear arsenal -- one of which used in the United States would damage our civil-liberties environment for decades -- are far better candidates than the Guantanamo detainee group for "Person of the Year."
The failure to set these issues right will have far more impact on America's future than the detainees. The less said about Gore and Rowling the better.
The real problem with Guantanamo is that the prisoners there should have been treated as prsioners of war from the first.Put them in World War-II-syle stockades, let them write home, and facilitate access for the Red Cross.
The most troubling issue regarding Guantanamo, CIA installations, DoD prisons, or the idea I just presented is that the men held in each for the most part can never be let go.
For me, this is the crux of the issue and it has not been addressed. For the first time in Western history we are capturing POWs who cannot be released; we already have had dozens go back to battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan after being released.
This problem is going to take folks with far better brains then mine to remedy, and so far the issue has not even be joined.
-- Mike Scheuer
Michael Scheuer hits the nail on the head. We've created a legal purgatory from which there is no easy exit. The first thing that is crucial is not to add to the scale of this problem and add any new detainees to Guantanamo.
But this kind of blunt, sensible clarity from a key player engaged in hunting and killing bin Laden's team is what many should be considering.
-- Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note
















I first became aquainted with Michael Scheuer not long after he left the CIA (18 months ago, 2 years?) and made an appearance on C-SPAN's Washington Journal. During this appearance he came across as someone who had no agenda but what is best for America. He was quick to criticize Bush and the way he was handling the war on terror, but he saved his more powerful criticism for the Iraq war.
I saw him again on C-SPAN after he wrote a book and his attitude toward world affairs seemed to have changed. He was no longer the same guy that criticized Bush, the war on terror and Iraq.
Finally, I saw him appear before a Congressional Panel and I witnessed a guy who crossed over to the right wing. His testimony was completely political, anti Democrat Party, anti Liberals, anti Clinton, etc. He sounded like Rush Limbaugh.
This change caused me to do a search on Scheuer and I discovered he was now with the think tank Jamestown Foundation who's Vice Chairman is James Woolsey, and who had as past board members Dick Cheney and Frank Carlucci's wife, Marcia. What this all means, I don't know, but from what I've seen of Mr Scheuer, I don't trust him, he now seems to have an agenda that leans right.
December 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Disclaimer: I don't have a firm recollection of Sheuer in the last year, but he always exhibited one rational quality that I though far too rare.
Viz., an understanding that Bin Laden and Bin Ladenism was a response to the projection of American power into his neighborhood, and the attendant impediments to his goals.
Sheuer was always frank about the ways in which our determination to maintain low pump prices and prop up the Saudi and Tel Aviv regimes, made conflict with nationalist and religio-nationalist movements inevitable.
NOT "they hate us for our freedom".
Off topic: Bin Laden(aka The Wit of Waziristan) on the subject:"If we hated freedom, we would have bombed Sweden".
December 15, 2007 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
jollyroger,
I agree, but I still don't trust him as I feel he's aligned himself with the right.
Over the years I've seen too many people align themselves with the right wing in order to ride the alignment to fame and fortune through radio shows, TV appearances, paid for appearances, writing books, etc.; Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, Beck, etc. I have a suspicion Sheuer may be flirting with the same path.
"Off topic: Bin Laden(aka The Wit of Waziristan) on the subject:"If we hated freedom, we would have bombed Sweden"."
HAHAHAHAHA, :-)
December 16, 2007 5:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
flirting with the same path.
I wouldn't wonder that he hangs with Woolsey, since after all they were spooks together, and it's not unlikely that my relief at seeing any sign of candor from an apparatchik has blinded me to the underlying right wing culture from which Scheuer emerges.
December 16, 2007 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't recall ever ever thinking Scheuer was a "liberal", but hey, if I were forced to split the political spectrum into a binary, I'd probably go with the war/anti-war dichotomy as being a better representation of contemporary political worldviews rather than the archaic liberal/conservative.
Even when he was just referred to as anonymous, Scheuer was not the rousing pro-Democratic Party supporter many believed he was:
Also, Woolsey seems to have severed his current association with the Jamestown Foundation; Marcia Carlucci, currently sits on its board and did in 2006. Another stand-out board member is Alfred Regnery.
This data a current scrape direct from The Jamestown Foundation: Board Member page, plus a personal scrape archive from last year, but the Internet Archive first shows Marcia Carrlucci as a board member in 2006 in their June 14, 2006 mirror. (not intended as a flame, just to show why one source isn't to be trusted, my guess in this instance would be RightWeb, which is a very good source, but it is, like many other non-profits, understaffed and underfunded. As their database evolves into a bigger set, the updating process stretches out on a longer timeline).
It's hard to quantify The Jamestown Foundation as pure right, even given their funding and board members. It was founded as an anti-Soviet think-tank provided as a soap-box for former Soviet officials who has come over from the other-side. To call it "right" distorts the reality quite a bit. They are currently one of the best places to acquire Central Asian wonkage that doesn't just suck, and were actually pretty solid producers of product which offered strong evidence that Mr. Bush's obscene alliance with Islam 'Butcher of Andijon' Karimiov, Uzbekistan's Kleptocratic dictator, was counterproductive to the GWOT, as well as a blatant expression of hypocrisy by the uncompromising defender of Democratic processes worldwide. Cutting to the chase: it ain't AEI, The Heritage Foundation or The Federalist Society. Using simple tagging which implies this relationship; is a mite bit defamatory.
There are many who value liberty over political ideology, and are willing to accept a bit of intimacy with entities whom they are oppositional with on other fronts, if it is viewed as a method to advance liberty in states whose governments are reprehensible. Mapping this within a left/right dichotomy is likely to add spew to Contemporary Conservatism's Pack of Barking Head Moral Relativists (personal favorite example: Davey Horowitz).
December 19, 2007 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neglectful Congress? The GOP are very effective at obstructing, requiring at least 60 Democratic senators to really accomplish anything. (w/57 or so, they might be able to crack the GOP stonewall)
December 15, 2007 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe a better word would have been "Complicit" Congress. There were plenty of Democrats who voted to give George the right to start the war in Iraq. They now claim that they didn't know he was actually going to DO it -- well, I knew it, why didn't they?
And to the absurd notion that if something terrible happened it would be too hard to get Congress together to actually vote as the War Powers Act requires --> Anyone heard of Terri Shiavo?
Jan
December 17, 2007 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
CVille Dem said:
Jan, they knew what they were doing, it was a political cover your ass vote and it showed their priorities.
December 17, 2007 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
John, you're slipping (or are you unaware?).
It was a rhetorical question! Hillary knew that if she voted against giving the child, W, permission to send our young men and women to get blown to bits in Iraq, she could never run for President.
What to do? Oh, Gee! What is the RIGHT thing to do? No contest. Same for Kerry.
Now here is one more example of our brave Democratic leaders, regarding the bill that will give communication companies RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY FOR THEIR CRIMES: Why should they get this? Because any other bill that goes forward the big, bad republican MINORITY will defeat! Funny how when WE were the minority it was an excuse for never getting anything our way...
Here are the Dems who voted to let the bill go forward:Akaka, Hawaii
Baucus, Montana
Bayh, Indiana
Bingaman, New Mexico
Byrd, West Virginia
Cantwell, Washington
Carper, Delaware
Casey. Pennsylvania
Conrad, North Dakota
Dorgan, North Dakota
Durbin, Illinois
Feinstein, California (BIG SURPRISE HERE!)
Johnson, South Dakota
Kennedy, Massachusetts (??????)
Klobuchar, Minnesota
Kohl, Wisconsin
Landrieu, Louisiana
Leahy, Vermont
Levin, Michigan
Lincoln, Arkansas
McKaskill, Missouri
Mikulski, Maryland
Murray, Washington
Nelson, Florida
Nelson, Nebraska
Pryor, Arkansas
Reed, Rhode Island
Reid, Nevada
Rockefeller, West Virginia
Salazar, Colorado
Schumer, New York
Stabenow, Michigan
Tester, Montana
Webb, Virginia
Whitehouse, Rhode Island
Here are the ten who voted against (all Dems):
Boxer, California
Brown, Ohio
Cantwell, Washington
Cardin, Maryland
Dodd, Connecticut
Feingold, Wisconsin
Harkin, Iowa
Kerry, Massachusetts
Menendez, New Jersey
Wyden, Orgen
And here are the very, very special senators who didn't bother to vote at all:
Biden, Clinton, McCain, Obama
Ok, friends, what is wrong with this picture?
Jan
December 17, 2007 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jan,
I know it was rhetorical, I'm sorry my post didn't show that.
Considering the importance of this bill; as I asked in a different post, what makes these people Democrats? Aren't they supposed to be the "opposition party"?
December 18, 2007 6:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jan, are you talking about the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq? If so, check your data. Here is a list how the Democrats that voted, with many direct links to statements made by them, plus notation given to Republican Lincoln Chaffe (RI) and Independent Jeffords (VT) for their nay votes.
From Senate Roll Call vote No. 237 - October 11, 2002
H.J. 114: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Democratic Yeas
21 Democratic; 1 Republican and 1 Independent Nays
Additionally, Senator Robert Byrd deserves special merit for the effort he made to defeat the Authorization of Force, as does Senator Ted Kennedy for his perceptive analysis.
December 20, 2007 12:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "legal purgatory" will be lengthy for many American prisoners, brief for others, and those in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf Gitmo prisoners in numbers.
The US army in Iraq and Afghanistan is putting MAMs, military age males, in concentration camps. “The detainees have risen to over 18,000 and are projected to hit 30,000 by the end of the year and 50,000 by the end of 2008 [in Iraq],” according to Anthony Cordesman.
Biometric devices will be used to identify these men. If they are determined to have been involved in defending their country they may be summarily executed. "In Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. military units already are operating under loose rules of engagement that allow them to kill individuals who are identified as suspected terrorists or who show the slightest evidence of being insurgents."
In Afghanistan: Concluding that the man was insurgent leader Nawab Buntangyar, Staffel gave the order to shoot, and Anderson – from a distance of about 100 yards away – fired a bullet through the man’s head, killing him instantly. "Rules of engagement” empower US troops to kill individuals who have been designated “enemy combatants,” even if the targets were unarmed and presented no visible threat.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/121307Parry.shtml
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December 15, 2007 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don,
its a recipe for growing the number of people that wish to do us harm.
December 16, 2007 5:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only the fortunate will make it to the camps, perhaps to be tortured. For the combatants or suspected combatants it's 'take no prisoners', as US troops did here. (warning-graphic)
December 16, 2007 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don,
killing a wounded man laying on the ground is now "awesome."
I wonder how many of the Iraqis who fight us simply feel they're defending their country?
This is the second time we attacked them.
December 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
LtGen (USMC) James Mattis: "It's fun to shoot some people. . .it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/03/general.shoot/
Mattis is the current Commander, U.S. Joint Forces Command and Supreme Allied Commander Transformation, and will be played by Harrison Ford in the upcoming film No True Glory: The Battle for Fallujah.
December 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don,
during WWII no one in our Battalion that I know of would take Waffen/SS prisoners unless ordered to do so, not that many of them would surrender anyhow, they were such fanatics we had to kill those SOBs twice. But I never considered it fun, regardless of how evil these f**kers were.
When did he consider it fun? Cetainly not while its happening, you're too busy trying to stay alive so you're just reacting. I think that Marine was just speaking out of his ass and its sad because many under his command will take it as a license.
December 16, 2007 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
John,
I doubt that at his level he was actually doing it, but was just being macho and, yes, consciously giving his troops license. I fear that their (the troops involved) next visitor will be Mr. PTSD, that their awesome and fun feelings will be replaced by nightmares. Compensation. But not for Mattis, probably, as it is likely that he didn't actually do anything but talk big and cause problems for others, besides the Iraqis killed needlessly and criminally. But who cares about ROE or criminality? Nobody.
December 16, 2007 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don,
I guess what pissed me off about his comment was it sounded so much like the chicken hawks in this country who are only too happy to support the war as long as they don't have to fight in it.
It was a wrong headed comment by a Marine General, he should know better.
December 17, 2007 7:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I just took my son on a college visit. When we went to the cafeteria there was an ROTC table set up with shiney-faced handsome young men. They jokingly said, "Join up -- you get college free!" We kept walking. Then, "My last stint was in Hawaii!" Then, "Hey, we get to play with guns."
My son would have been mortified if I had said and done what I wanted to do, so I just kept on going. What a sick joke.
Jan
December 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd tend to agree with what the guy said. Be
sure to consider signing:
http://www.impeachbush.org
December 16, 2007 5:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Micheal Scheuer is in no position to lecture the country on its morality, and his particular brand of "moral clarity" is something we can do without. He is a creator of the rendition program, a defender of torture and a fanatical, bigoted super-nationalist. Follow this blog discussion and comments, and read some of his Congressional testimony at the Delahunt hearings.
It's beyond me how elements of the left have allowed themselves to put Scheuer forward as some sort of hero. The man is a vile, hate-filled jackass. Reading the testimony is stunning enough, but doesn't do justice to the man. If you had seen the testimony, and the seething, spitting rage with which he delivered it, you would realize the man is unhinged.
December 16, 2007 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Even a lunatic may have a point now and then, but he's still a lunatic.
Heading up the anti-Bin Laden division is nice, but frankly, he never produced a result.
December 16, 2007 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Valdron,
truly.
December 16, 2007 8:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
DanK,
a thousand thanks for that link to Scheuer's Congressional testimony, the same testimony I refered to earlier but did not have the link.
I read the transcript you supplied and it brought me to remember why I don't trust that guy. Watching his testimony then, and reading the transcript now made my skin crawl, he's a fanatic, just like the SS/Hitler Youth, (who I had personal experience with), and I don't use that term lightly.
December 16, 2007 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of Scheuer's 'points' from 4/17/2007:
European Union (EU) presides over the earth’s single largest terrorist safe haven, and has done so for a quarter century.
Why the heck didn't we (re-)invade Europe? Operation Overlord II?
Another 'point', from Scheuer, who was in charge or involved in the Rendition Program before and after 9/11:
..the Rendition Program has been the single most effective counterterrorism operation ever conducted by the United States government. Americans are safer today because of the program, but that degree of safety will ebb as the Senators just mentioned slowly but surely destroy the program.
I guess the 'degree of safety' ebbed a tad on 9/11.
December 16, 2007 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Steve, as Dan K writes it's not clear why one needs to idolize Sheurer. Yet Valdron's case is well-taken as well -- even a lunatic can have a point now and then.
A case in point is Sheurer's criticism of the failure to secure the Soviet nuclear stockpile and braintrust for the last several years. It's baffling why this is seen by some parts of the U.S. as a white elephant.
Steve LeVine, author
The Oil and the Glory (Random House)
http://www.oilandglory.com
December 16, 2007 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
It still belongs in the Blame Bush Category:
The A.Q. Khan network claim was an outright lie, and to top that off, The Bush Administration had kept hidden the knowledge that it was Pakistan, as a middleman, unbeknownst to the Koreans, who had reexported N.Korean Nuke Tech to The Mideast and N. Africa. North Korea was only selling tech to an already known Nuclear Power, while Mr. Bush's good ally, Pakistan had been the real proliferater, and they lied about it.
I never knew a man could tell so many lies
He had a different story for every set of eyes.
How can he remember who he's talkin' to?
'Cause I know it ain't me, and I hope it isn't you.
-Neil Young, "Ambulance Blues", On The Beach
December 20, 2007 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Scheuer sounds like one of those anti immigration zealots and I have no use for him.
Islamic hordes are not penetrating the US by sneaking over the Mexican border. If anything, Islamic terrorists would sneak over from Canada because Canada has major muli-ethnic urban centers where they could blend in. Toronto is an ideal staging ground. Juarez is not.
If Scheuer has his way we'll spend a lot of the resources that should be used to stop terrorism against people who want to work as cleaning contractors at Wal-Mart. Let's not mix up the issues.
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
December 16, 2007 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm relieved to see that I wasn't alone in my reaction to Scheuer's letter. He does indeed seem to be a fanatic and one of the immigration nuts.
His concern that the POW's at GITMO can never be released is asinine. They can be released any time we chose to release them. Of course they would immediately tell everyone how they were tortured, and I suppose that would be a problem for us.
The one good point Scheuer made was that they should have been treated as the POW's they are from the time they were captured. The rest of his letter is fanaticism.
Hoppy in Sacramento
December 16, 2007 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Then of course there is Scheuer's gem abouut John O'Neill, the former FBI counterterrorism official who was killed in the 9/11 attack on the WTC: "I think I said the only good thing that happened to America on 11 September was that the building fell on him, sir."
December 16, 2007 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is not that some prisoners of America should never be let go. If we had captured the perpetrators of 9/11 there would have been no outcry whether we executed them or kept them in solitary confinement for life.
The problem is that we conducted a dragnet of suspicious persons and allowed all of these suspects to be named enemy combatants at the whim of one man -- the incompetent Bush who then delegated it to even more incompetent subordinates. This turns the presumption of innocence on its head. The original sin was the determination of the Supreme Court that constitutional rights do not necessary apply to non-citizens. A sounder view would be that the rights involved were intended to govern the actions of U.S. officials wherever found.
We then provided no means whatsoever for those who were innocent of any offense
to demonstrate this.
We also treated simple patriotism of others as though it merited lifelong confinement. If you chose to defend Afghanistan against our invasion this showed that you were a terrorist? That most Afghanis rejected the legitimacy of the Taliban does not negate the idea that some of those fighting our invasion acted out of patriotism for their country pure and simple.
The injustice with which we have treated the innocent and those who acted out of simple patriotism is what has destroyed our moral standing in the world and led to an increase in our enemies.
This is worse than impressing sailors by snatching them from ships: we went to their country and snatched them and don't even want them for any purpose. And can't be bothered to devise a fair method to determine whether they have done the things we accuse them of. Let alone whether doing what we accuse them of – fight for county makes them guilty in any sense.
December 17, 2007 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink