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SEIU Takes On Bank of America

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SEIU is a creative union. They just announced a new initiative to link up their interest in protecting working families (unionized and non-unionized) by targeting banking practices that destroy financial security. In classic union style, they aren't waiving their arms at the financial industry generally. They are taking specific aim at America's biggest bank, Bank of America.

SEIU's explanation is straightforward: As banks have developed new credit card practices, mortgage lending products, and checking account fees, they have been effectively unregulated, free to make up their own rules about how to treat their customers. Through the years, the banks have found more and more ways to trick and trap hard working families, raking in billions. As banks consolidate their power, their economic and political clout grows, and their grip on families gets even tighter. Now Bank of America is starting to bump up against the long-standing federal prohibition against any single bank controlling more than 10% of the nation's deposits. The union wants to hold banks accountable for how they treat consumers, and it believes this is the time and place to draw a line in the sand. SEIU is calling for better regulation of all credit products, and it is shining a light on B of A's growth, warning regulators not to bend the rules.

The website shows that the union has done its homework. It presents the basic information on BofA: Currently, 1 in 5 credit cards in America is a B of A card. According to SEIU, "Last year alone the bank took in more than $22.4 billion in profits from penalty and service fees on consumers and small businesses. Bank of America’s total deposit service charges—income from fees the bank charges its customers for servicing their accounts—grew by 70 percent between 2002 and 2006 alone."

In addition, SEIU has gathered reports of racial discrimination, tax evasion, job cuts, and failure to abide by promises to local communities. They make the case that deregulation of consumer financial products has been exploited by America's largest bank.

Changing B of A practices would not only make life different for a lot of families who are B of A customers; it would also affect the whole industry. Just like in wage negotiations, getting a leader to make concessions will affect all subsequent negotiations.

Early this year, I said I was glad to see politicians begin to get active on consumer financial issues. We've seen some good smoke, but so far no fire. SEIU brings comes from a different direction. If the union can rally more people to focus on this issue, if it can create some momentum behind its excellent suggestions for reform, if it can cause B of A to rethink some of its practices, and if it can put some heat on Washington to get moving, then the SEIU's announcement could be an important moment. Families need help. SEIU is trying.


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Joe Biden (D - BofA) will never allow it.

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This is good to hear. I've never been a big fan of unions, because they seem to ignore the realities of economics, but in this case I think they are really doing something of value. I hope they have the political power to make it happen.

The link in the article doesn't work. It is supposed to go to www.bankofamericabadforamerica.org  

Jim Anderson

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I guess that "union work" on this isssue doesn't impress me since, as you know, I think that people should just stay away from credit cards as a borrowing source;

the SEIU should create their own credit card-- and be the change they seek? i.e. it's always easier to impose your ideal standards on someone else.

regardless, the SEIU should probably stick to labor issues and continue finding ways to improve the value of one's labor over time; I know this is a hard problem and that's probably why the union is working on something easier-- it's called procrastination.

To boldly go...

I agree with you about staying away from credit cards. In case you didn't notice, it isn't just a credit card, or any kind of loan, issue. It is banks robbing their account holders to line the pockets of their highly paid executives. I don't usually mind that corporations have highly compensated executives, except when their profits are derived from draining the economy instead of building it.

So, I don't care who takes action against the banks, it is a good thing for our economy.  Did you know that BofA's revenue from fees is more than half of their overall revenue?  When you open a checking account at a bank, you need to realize that you will get slapped with unexpected fees every time they find a reason.  That is how they make money these days.  Fees on checking accounts, and fees on loans and credit cards, and fees for everything you do with them.  You can get these same services without unreasonable fees from a credit union.  There is no reason to pay all those fees.  Credit Unions are non-profit, and owned by the account holders.

Jim Anderson

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Amen to Credit Unions! While most Credit Unions are restricted by membership in a certain profession, here in San Francisco, you can become a member of San Francisco Federal Credit Union if you live, work or worship in San Francisco--a model that should be followed by more communities.


Fairfax Co VA is doing the same.

Bonnie
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The union wants to hold banks accountable for how they treat consumers

This is not a proper function of unions, which are designed to represent their membership, not consumers.

Consumers should opt not to consume if they are unhappy. I have been a long-time customer of BofA and am completely satisfied with all aspects of their service. On two occasions when I had problems with my credit card overseas BofA came through for me. I always pay off my balance and having the card is a great convenience. Customer service in BofA banks is always at the highest level.

Regarding service charges I have encountered none on my credit card so I assume the SEIU is talking about check cards and not credit cards. On these cards I keep a balance (with interest rates being low) so there are no service charges.

If there are people having trouble with BofA I suggest they shop around and find a bank that they do like. There's plenty of competition in the marketplace. I don't need a union to represent me in this regard.

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This is not a proper function of unions, which are designed to represent their membership, not consumers.
Great load of crap there, son.

Who appointed you protector of America's robber banks and definer of Union efforts?

Unions that don't work to protect all workers will find themselves subject to union-busting and find themselves with no political protection. Oh, wait. That's where they are now, isn't it? And the only significant union that's taking any actions to expand and to really work for it's members is SEIU.

Since you are a spokes-turkey for BoA, I can see why you want the SEIU restricted. Did you also applaud when the the banks and their tame, bought Congress made it much harder and more expensive to get bankruptcy protection?

RickB: Who appointed you protector of America's robber banks and definer of Union efforts?

I thought I made it clear that I am a satisfied customer of BofA, and as such, I have a natural right to comment on the excellence of their service. Thank you for giving me a second opportunity to do so.

Regarding your divergence into bankruptcy law, perhaps there will be thread on that sometime. Meanwhile you might want to comment on the facts convergent of the issue at hand, if you are able, which consist of a supposed problem with dissatisfied BofA customers, of which I am not one.

Here is some discussion of why the unions need to go after the banks. Check Elizabeth Warren's other discussions in this forum.

Then look at the debt peonage that afflicts much of the American middle class, as well as the excessive fees and interest rates faced by most of the American working class. Then remember that 30% of all working people have no bank account, mostly because of a bounced check or that their credit is not good enough. [The source of that is Cash America Pawn Shops, justifying their fees to cash checks.]

Check the interest rates and fees paid at those used car places that advertise "No Credit Check." If you miss a payment you lose the car and get nothing back. If you DON'T miss a payment, you pay at least double what the car sold for in interest and fees, and the car falls apart - at best - right after the last payment. But in the absence of public transportation, you had to have the car to get and keep your job.

Illness (personal or family), divorce, or layoff all cause a large number of people to miss the payment that causes a car to be repossessed.

The ONLY social institution such people have access to that is concerned with their welfare is their union.

Take off your upper middle class blinders and look at the real world. The bankers do, and they farm those people for excessive fees and interest rates. Check the fees for check cashing. Check the fees for payday loans - which, in my day, were a court martial offense in the Army.

Debt peonage is alive and well for a large number of American families today. That's why the banks got access to the bankruptcy laws restricted. Too many people received too many credit card offers, ran up too much debt to sustain, and the suckers were escaping into bankruptcy. Bankers couldn't have that, so they tried to shut the escape hatch from the debt peonage traps they were setting.

Unions are the institution the most victims of this social and financial brigandage have access to. There is no other institution for those people, and ours is a society in which organizations have all the power. Individuals outside an organization have no power at all.

Who appointed you ... of Union efforts?

I agree with the poster that SEIU should focus on it's core mission. To me, SEIU looks distracted and is simply chasing after a populist cause for publicity.

As I posted above, "single payer health care" would be a much better fit.

If credit cards are such a big issue for SEIU, perhaps they should work with their credit unions to create a "worker friendly credit card."

Going after BofA seems lame and unproductive.

I can see why you want the SEIU restricted

the unions have so many better things to do like figuring out how to make american jobs worth working from both the workers and employers perspective.

To boldly go...

I now bank with USAA and the customer service is
totally opposite of B of A. The longest I have ever waited on the phone to speak with a rep at USAA was 4 minutes. Most of the time it is less than one minute.
Compare that to waiting to talk to a rep at
B of A. Most of the time it was 10 to 20 minutes, but sometimes it was over 30 minutes.
Sometimes I would get disconected and need to start all over again.
My last experience with B of A was when I closed a savings account with them. I realized soon it was a mistake but was taken in by their ads on TV about their keep the change program.
I closed the checking account and had that money transferred to my checking account.
Several weeks later took all my money out of B of A and closed my checking account.
A few weeks later I get a statment from them that
I owed a monthly fee for my saving account since I didn't have the required amount in it to not have this monthly fee.
I called them and told them this account was closed. The rep told me they reopned it because I had 27 cents from the
keep the change program. I said, WHAT? You reopened an account that I closed so you could deposit 27 cents and then turn around and charge me a monthly service fee!! Since when did anyone ask me if I wanted this closed account reopened? After speaking with three more people I finally got someone to understand and she once again closed the account and send me a check for 27 cents. That's what they should have done in the first place.
What a hassle. I spend 45 minutes on the phone that day with B of A reps.
Bye, bye, B of A.. I don't miss them one bit!

Bonnie
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Don B.,
Getting back to the credit card industry, I'm afraid that you're just ill-informed. Unlike you, the average U.S. family is carrying $2,200 in credit card debt these days, and they're being hit with a dizzying array of fees and charges -- many of them abusive (or just plain dishonest). In fact, Congress held a widely publicized hearing about it just last week. Here's the link to a news story covering the hearing: http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/credit-card-practices-denounced/n20071204010209990005. Read up. It might change your mind.

ramandel,
I suppose I am ill-informed, because I don't understand why people live beyond their means when they don't have to. Why do people borrow money at high interest rates for non-essential purchases? Why do they go to a credit-card loan shark for the money to buy a new HDTV? Why don't they read the information that the bank sends them? Are they ill-informed or just stupid? When I see "21%" on the brochure I say "No way, Jose". What do they say, "Looks like a good deal to me"?

Neither a borrower nor a lender be...
(But, hey, if there are no payments until 2010, why not?)

when I was walking around Kmart the other day, I seem to remember sayings like "it's a perfect time to buy" and "he'll be glad that you did," etc... coming from the loudspeakers.

thus, staying out of the stores, etc..., is an even better idea than chasing after credit card companies.

To boldly go...

Here are two reasons to buy on credit:

1) Realistic expectation of higher earnings in the future, meaning that a purchase now on credit is a good deal over time of payment.

2) Because people work freaking hard and aren't paid enough. They work and they want something other than just the basics in exchange for their labor. I expect that if you were told how hard they work and how little they get for it, you'd sympathize. And that's the thing... a plasma screen TV isn't necessary for everybody. But why and the hell can a mogul afford thousands of them while people who truly and honestly work their butts off just to make ends meet can't afford even one unless they use credit? I mean, we have this cool HDTV available to humanity and yet it's not okay to buy one on credit when some one else can buy one on a whim? That stinks.

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Words of wisdom from Michael Singletary:

True financial independence is making financial decisions based on the resources you have today, not on what you might have tomorrow. That applies whether you're borrowing on a credit card or applying for a home loan.


Bonnie
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Don Bacon... 

The simple truth is, if you are borrowing in any fashion for expenses, you are living beyond your means. I think that includes most everyone. Probably even you. 

Why are they doing it? I think the research that Dr. Warren has done shows that it is because of the price of homes. Housing has been bid up in the market because of the availability of loans to buy them, and most people think a mortgage is "good debt". More people are competing for the most desired neighborhoods, driving prices far beyond their value. This is a result of Federal Reserve tampering with the market using interest rate cuts, and allowing mortgage lenders to lend without abandon.

Then, the problem comes when someone gets sick or loses a job (Dr. Warren's research has shown that 50% of bankruptcies are the result of medical problems), and the only way they see out of the problem is to bridge the gap with their credit cards, even at high interest rates. By the time they are paying 29% interest, it is too late to say no without going bankrupt. It isn't because people are "irresponsible", it is because they follow our leaders and see "responsible borrowing" as part of good financial planning, ignoring the traps.

You may be happy with BofA now, but the moment you trip up, they'll soak you.  If you think they won't, you are ignoring the facts presented on this blog.  75% of their profits come from late fees and penalties, after they have paid their key executives 6 and 7 figure salaries.  This is something that doesn't exist in credit unions.

Jim Anderson

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I'm afraid that you're just ill-informed. ... Read up. It might change your mind.

based on what Don said, he seems much more informed than most and, besides that, he controls his impulsiveness.

To boldly go...

Families need help. SEIU is trying.

???? in my opinion, working on single payer health care should trump working on credit card issues every day of the week.

To boldly go...

Don and MCS,
Still uninformed, I'm afraid, and maybe a little negligent in forgetting that useful adage about not condemning a man till you walk a mile in his shoes.
Here's a fact: 21 percent of US adults are now plagued with medical debts. Pretty impulsive that, huh? Getting sick when you can't afford it.
And another: in a national survey of low- and moderate-income families, 71 percent relied on credit cards to cover basic living expenses or deal with unexpected emergencies. Just 10 percent paid the minimum each month on their cards.
Are there spendthrifts out there? Sure. But condemning all indebted people as irresponsible (and letting credit providers off the hook for deeply dishonest trade practices), well, aren't you being a little bit "impulsive" yourselves?

aren't you being a little bit "impulsive" yourselves?

the national and personal debt in america is beyond impulsive-- it's an addiction; i.e. smart folks these days are saying: "mathematically, it's impossible to pay back all that debt." Even Israel, "our special friend," doesn't want dollars any more!

my opinion stands: the SEIU is trying to connect itself to a populist cause for it's own notoriety and I think that's a wasted effort since:

a) the debt problem is beyond anyones influence; even as a saver, I understand that the value of my savings is going down with the dollar.

b) SEIU should be working on labor issues; I know quite a few folks who used to like unions but not any more because they were laid off and their unions had no plan B. if our economy is going into a recession, SEIU should be working on "plan b" or else a lot more folks will be walking the "debt trap plank" to take the plunge.

To boldly go...

I guess the larger point, though, is that there's not much government can (or should) do to control individuals' spending and credit choices. But government has a legitimate and important role in preventing financial institutions from employing deceptive and dishonest trade practices. Can we agree on that?

well, get behind Ron Paul for President then! The Fed creates capitol out of nothing and distributes it through the banks.

the problem ISN'T "deceptive and dishonest trade practices"; Instead, the Fed keeps taking away the wealth of the working class via a systematic sucker game that has persisted for way too long!

To boldly go...

You don't think Universal Default is deceptive and dishonest ?
Those who have had that dirty trick played on them certainly do!
Oh,,, but we have been through this before with the fridge ! I'm still looking for a new one. My old one is making funny noises. It's almost 20 years old and doing a search I'm convinced it's running on borrowed time! I haven't found any for $39.00. The lowest was around $300.00 plus and the highest was over $6000.00! No kidding! Check Best Buy where I have found the best deals .... but I won't be buying a 6 grand fridge!

Bonnie
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You don't think Universal Default is deceptive and dishonest?

you know my opinion.

Those who have had that dirty trick played on them certainly do!

once bitten, twice shy and now you're too smart to get caught up with that again.

there are lots of dirty tricks out there: empty calorie food; over priced homes; casinos; over priced gas sucking cars; unprotected sex; oil and toxic chemical spills; eletronic waste; etc...

the debt industry is simply one "gotya" out of many and, at least with debt, you survived and can talk about it.

I haven't found any for $39.00.

Near me, I could get one for free: Free Refridgerator and Microwave

I am remodeling a house in SW Minneapolis. The fridge and microwave are in good condition and functional, but they have to go. I would like to see them used in a happy home instead of throwing them away.

or, where you live-- around DC: Free Refrigerator/Freezer

We have a white GE refrigerator/freezer 2 years old for free. Pick up to occur on Sunday December 16th after 10:00am. You will need own labor, blankets and truck to move.

enjoy!

To boldly go...

I saw that free fridge on Craigs. You think it will fit in the back of my Scion? LOL

I will get a new fridge and have it delivered.
I am not against used. God knows, I have alot of nice used wood furniture I have refinished . But when it comes to appliances, I think it is better to buy new.


Bonnie
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But when it comes to appliances, I think it is better to buy new.

your choice! credit card companies make their money from folks who need new! and you can't say that you couldn't find an affordable deal either!

a penny saved is a penny earned, as they say.

To boldly go...


When I buy a new fridge it will be paid for in cash.
If the fridge upstairs conks out, I have an old fridge in the basement.
Let me tell you a true story about a free fridge.
Some of the people who are offering "free" heavy items on Freecycle and Craigs are lying when they say the appliance works. They are looking for free movers to remove a piece of junk out of their house. How do I know this?
My husband picked up a fridge for his office a couple years ago. . He was told the fridge worked fine. After all the trouble of moving this thing he went ahead and paid to have it repaired which cost over $300.00.
Free can come with a price!

Bonnie
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Free can come with a price!

yes, everything has a price and it's important to test things out before you truck them off.

in my case, the cost of new things, that I didn't use, far outweighed the cost of the free things that turned out to be lemons.

the most important thing: you're paying cash and won't be dealing with the devil.

To boldly go...

My experience with getting things free on Craigs is to be brief in my request, & not play 20 questions. Nobody who is giving anything away has time for this. They just want the item gone and there are usually plently of people who want the item.
Having given things away myself, I am most apt to give it to someone who can pick it up promptly, and not ask me a million questions.

I don't necessarily consider it dealing with the devil to buy a fridge on credit. It can turn that way though if they pull one of their dirty tricks on you tho.
I understand the protections one can get buying on a credit card, but I don't have any credit cards at this time. Some day I may get a credit card again, but it will only be when certain conditions are met in my life, and when I am able to pay the balance on an account off every month. And I will only get a card from a credit union or USAA.

Bonnie
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I am most apt to give it to someone who can pick it up promptly, and not ask me a million questions.

who said I wanted to ask the owner questions? all I do is plug things in (the fridge) to see if they work; I also look at the manufacturing information to verify that it was manufactured recently.

so my email would say: "hey! i'm interested in your fridge but I'd like to see it plugged in so I can see it working. I'd also like to know the model so I can check it out in Consumer Reports."

i.e. even with new products, "smart people" make sure that they're buying something reliable.

in the craigslist case, if the fridge owner is shady, they'll either not return your email or claim that they can't satisfy your needs-- so you look elsewhere. On the other hand, if the fridge owner is upgrading to stainless steel and currently has good but "unattractive" stuff, they'll send you the information w/o thinking twice.

I don't necessarily consider it dealing with the devil to buy a fridge on credit.

if you're able to pay off your balance each month, it's a convenience; if you can't, you're dealing with the devil since you're now in hock to someone else. I think "universal default" is reasonable since, if you're in hock to more than one person, all of them-- rightly so, get nervous and want the borrower to slow down their borrowing and if "universal default" does that, it might save the borrower from stupidity.

To boldly go...

I agree that smart people do make sure they are buying something reliable.
The internet makes that pretty easy with all the info one can gather.

Apparently some credit card co's like Citi have changed their minds about universal default since some of them no longer have this policy.
The time for them to be nervous is before they extend credit to someone and check carefully that this person is able to pay!
I doubt very seriously those who they have taken advantage of with the universal default policy ever made them nervous.
More likey it made them jump for joy that they had another $$$$$ hostage $$$$$


Bonnie
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I think if you read the agreements of these banks that now say they don't use "universal default" are lying. They have simply changed the way they approach it, and made sure it is expressed specifically in the agreement how rates are changed. The outcome is the same. They have too much to lose to change the practice.

Jim Anderson

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FROM THE CITIBANK WEBSITE:

"Now, the only reason the rates and fees will increase before the card expires is if a customer pays Citi late, exceeds the credit limit or pays with a check that bounces." [link]

This policy almost seems worse since letting a spending problem fester only makes the problem bigger....

And, as we all see, CITI will "gang bang" you if you pay late, exceed the credit limit or bounce a check.

I almost perfer universal default if it would send a "warning signal across your bow" quicker.

To boldly go...

 

 At least the new policy lets a person know what's coming.

The words  Universal Default do not appear in the fine print. They use the words:

We can change the terms of this agreement at any time for any reason.

Many people were caught by surprise by loan shark interest rate increases via UD  because they never thought that paying a phone bill late would punish them in this way.

I don't believe the use of universal default has anything to do with a person being a high risk. I think it was/is an excuse many CC co's have used to gouge people as much as they can.

 

Bonnie

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At least the new policy lets a person know what's coming.

but then subprime rate increases are OK because people know about them? even with the warning, we're seeing people get fu**ked.

The credit card companies aren't stupid. They use mathematical models, like casinos, and know that their new policies will rake in as much cash as their old policies!

That's why I support the abstinence model with credit cards (unless you use them only for convienience) because if you play around with them, you'll get diseases.

To boldly go...

 

 Whoa.... of course it's not OK. Not by me anyway.  I have no doubt if they drop one dirty trick they have more to try.  It's all about $$$$, however they can get it, and  of course keeping the shareholders "happy" :)

 

Bonnie My Christmas trio: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PaperMachePupArt/

coolness!

To boldly go...

 I may get a credit card again, but it will only be when certain conditions are met in my life, and when I am able to pay the balance on an account off every month. And I will only get a card from a credit union or USAA

 I'm surprised to read this from you.  The problem with credit cards isn't just the interest rate.  It is the contractual terms.  I used a Citibank credit card for over 20 years and paid off the balance every month, but when by business went south they secretly let corporate vendors charge my personal credit card for corporate expenses without my knowledge, and allowed it to go over the limit, all within 30 days and not giving me a call for unusual activity.  Legally, those charges were not mine, they were for the corporation for corporate purposes.  The credit card company let vendors pierce the corporate veil by acting as collector and determining that I owed corporate debt without giving me any opportunity for defense.  That is a dirty trick that made the Citibank a lot of money on interest and fees.  They socked me with overlimit fees and jacked my interest rate up to 23% before I even knew what happened.  When I disputed the charges they denied the dispute based on a "signature on file" policy that is nowhere to be found in the contract.  It is legal, however, because of open ended clauses in the contract that basically mean they can do whatever they want and you agree to whatever policy they make, whether they tell you about it or not.

Credit Union credit cards are not any better, despite the non-profit status of Credit Unions.  I see them as a lesser evil to banks, but they still have adopted some of the "standard" practices.  They may have lower interest rates, but they still tend to encourage borrowing.  One thing different about Credit Union credit cards is that they are cross-collateralized with your other accounts at the credit union.  so,.. if you default on your credit card, they take the payment out of your checking account automatically.  Same with your car payment, if it is financed through the credit union.  So if you only have enough money for rent, your credit card payment will be made first because it is collateralized by your checking and your savings account with the credit union.  It is better to just use a debit card, which are becoming virtually indestinquishable from credit cards to the merchants, and in are on their way in fraud protection.  There is no reason to use a credit card if you don't plan to borrow.

Jim Anderson

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It is not surprising to me at all that Citi would do this to you. It's terrible and I am sorry it happened to you.

Is there going to be more protection for those who use debit cards? I recently read an article by Mary Hunt, author of several books about debt free living. I am not a fan of hers and find her views on personal bankruptcy a bit harsh, but found the article about debit cards quite interesting. She won't even use one because she feels there is not enough protection for consumers.
I personally have never had any problems with my debit card issued by USAA and have even disputed charges twice and got my money back.
I have heard that some people do have problems though depending on what bank they are dealing with.
One thing I don't understand about debit cards is some gas stations can hold a larger amount than what a person has bought at a gas station. I haven't had a problem with it, but my son bought gas with a debit card and ended up with a large overdraft fee because he didn't have enough in his checking account to cover it.

If I got a credit card it would have a very low limit and if I ever felt it was out of hand I would get rid of it.
I know what you are saying about credit unions. I am a member of Pentagon Federal and compared their checking to USAA and B of A. They are more like B of A than they are like USAA. The monthly fee for someone who doesn't have direct deposit or keep a high balance is only 50 cents less than B of A. At USAA I don't need a certain balance or direct deposit to get totally free
checking. If I do get a credit card someday it will only be with USAA. I am confident they won't play dirty tricks on me.

Bonnie
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they secretly let corporate vendors charge my personal credit card for corporate expenses without my knowledge...

I had a subscription with the WSJ online that I was going to let lapse and I thought that it would since I had canceled the CITI credit card on file.

To my surprise, my credit card information was updated (with the new CITI card number) and used to renew my subscription.

When I called the WSJ to inquire about this, the women who represented the WSJ had to agree with this strange tale because, after a review, she concluded that I didn't update the information myself!

Since my credit union lets me have multiple checking accounts, I have one for online billpay and I'll be getting another for paypal to ensure that they can't tap into my primary checking account.

CITI also offers virtual credit card numbers; not all companies will take them though but supposedly you can set your own "hard" credit limits on them so that even small charges to them are declined.


To boldly go...

I'm convinced it's running on borrowed time!

you also remember my other rule: "start saving before you have to spend your money." for example, I've been saving for a car for 2 years now so, hopefully, I can buy with cash.

what I typically do is list the top 10 things I want and if I buy something else, one of those top 10 things has to be crossed off.

i.e. I now shovel snow at my apartment complex, to get a 20% rent discount, and that let's me put stuff back on the list and, unlike most people I know, I put stuff like "Bank CD's" and "Savings Bonds" on the list.

To boldly go...

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