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Senator Straight Talk is getting a lot of mileage out of a campaign ad trashing Hillary Clinton for supporting a $1 million expenditure for a Woodstock Museum. As you may have heard, it recycles McCain's laugh line from last week's debate event:

Now my friends, I wasn't there. I'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was tied up at the time--

"referring," in the words of an AP reporter, "to being held prisoner in North Vietnam" at the time of the Woodstock festival of 1969.

Behind McCain's last-minute bid for attention in his not-good-enough campaign is, of course, the enduring stab-in-the-back theme on which I wrote in The New Republic (Oct. 8). Expect to hear more, a lot more, about stabs in the back in the coming months. I guess we'll have to wait till the next century for a presidential campaign (or am I optimistic?) that's grown up beyond the decade-that-never-stops-shouting-its-name.

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It an interesting thing. In the run up to the Iraq war both Eliot Cohen, "Supreme Command" and Ma Boot, "The Savage Wars of Peace" thoroughly debunked the stab in the back argument. Both pretty fully argued that Vietnam was lost because Westmorlan fought the wrong war and Johnson neither insisted on a change in tactic and strategy or replaced the commder.

No stab in the back just too much reliance on the commanders on the ground by the elected leader.

Daniel A. Greenbaum

Maybe if we had a candidate who wasn't terrified of taking a principled anti-war position this wouldn't be a problem. I have more respect for McCain than I do for Democrats who have sold out those of us who are against the current war, the war to come and still as opposed as we ever were to the Vietnam War. If it were up to me, Senator McCain, you wouldn't have ever been tied up because there never would have been a war.

Well, McCain is targeting a very limited audience. If the culture wars came down to whether one thinks the Woodstock music festival was nice, it'd be even more obvious that the war was over ages ago. Somehow I have trouble thinking of Americans as worrying whether they were torturing brave Americans whenever they listen to oldies. The Who's songs are in TV commercials, and it's been a long time since John Sebastian wrote the theme to a popular sitcom, none of which is meant to denigrate how great The Who sounds.

Now if only this tiny, insane minority didn't have so much power.

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

Why are you playing into this "Woodstock Museum for Hippies" crap?

It's the Bethel Woods Center for The Performing Arts and it's a complex of stages, a museum, outdoor performance areas and educational facilities. Clinton and Schumer put this earmark in the educational bill for the development of the complex, something that two New York senators are supposed to do- get federal funds for their state. It was struck from the bill and the funds were not received by the center.

Poor John,

He's like so many from the Vietnam era- emotionally stuck in time and viewing everything from that prism.

The stab-in-the-back that McCain should be focusing on is the one he received from Bush in South Carolina.  We (unfortunately) haven't passed through that fratricidal phase of politics and his Republican brethren and their consultants will wield that knife once again on him. 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran

You're very optimistic, Mr. Gitlin, if you think the next century will see the return of the presidential campaign.

In the eonic meantime, I'm pushing the disclaimer. Big Pharma has to, why not Big Politics. Afterall, the Political Consultant Industry invents, packages and pushes its candidates endlessly and relentlessly on the tube - just like Big Pharma does its drugs - and we have a right to know just how harmful, even lethal should we get another Bush, the products that we're being asked to buy may be.

Just like a drug can end up killing me, a president can end up 'killing' my country.

J. McCutchen

Makes me cringe every time I hear it. Was his stay at the Hanoi Hilton really that funny or was he having another PTSD episode?

The 2008 election is shaping up as a referendum on BushWars and NeoCon worldview.

I hope the Dems offer a choice not a triangulation

I'll think of John McCain and all hawks, along with doves and war victims, every time I hear Jimi Hendrix's priceless Woodstock performance of “The Star-Spangled Banner.”

If all McCain has left in him is to attack the late 60's activism which still gives some of us, among aging 77 million boomers, a glimmer of hope that the 60's values torch might be carried foward I feel sorry for McCain and his supporters.

Truly very sorry Mr. McCain you were a prisoner in an unjust war- almost now universally recognized a such.

Dr. Rick Lippin
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

He crashes his trainer into the bay at Corpus. Then, he nearly burns to death after setting fire to the Forrestal. Three months later he busts himself up punching out over Hanoi and almost drowns in a lake. And then, he loses the presidential nomination to a nitwit when the South Carolina crackers find out he's fathered a black child out of wedlock.

If John McCain didn't have bad luck, he wouldn't have no luck at all.

That list doesn't sound like bad luck to me. It sounds like bad choices.

What if it were a Woodstock museum for hippies, anyway? How much public money do we spend on military memorials? Is there anything wrong with memorializing civilian heroes who opposed a war, rather than only people who fight?

thosethingswesay.blogspot.com

In Europe you'll find, or would have before the Euro, artists and scientists on the currency.

Here we honor generals and politicians. (Our cousins in the UK use the Queen.) Is there even a major memorial to the civil rights effort?

Excellent observations. I'm by no means against honoring those who fight in wars. But many of our own have died trying to end those wars, or to stop them from happening, during protests and demonstrations. They're heroes too.

And, as you point out... writers, scientists, inventors, philosophers... they're all also worthy of praise. Here they only get to be on stamps, if they're lucky.

thosethingswesay.blogspot.com

.......Why are you playing into this "Woodstock Museum for Hippies" crap?...

I guess they ate the brown acid....Thanks for the birds-eye view, BevD.

Ellen, be careful whose lies you perpetuate.

You and I may not like McCain's politics, but he did hard time in the 'Hanoi Hilton' and no one deserves that. In fact, he came out far saner than I would have.

This is from Richard Davis, McCain's campaign manager to the the Boston Globe, March 21, 2004. He's talking about South Carolina primary after the Straight Talk Express' surprising victory in the New Hampshire primary. Why he didn't say, "George W. Bush" instead of "anonymous opponents" I can't say.

"It didn't take much research to turn up a seemingly innocuous fact about the McCains: John and his wife, Cindy, have an adopted daughter named Bridget. Cindy found Bridget at Mother Theresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, brought her to the United States for medical treatment, and the family ultimately adopted her. Bridget has dark skin.

Anonymous opponents used "push polling" to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child."

You and I may not like McCain's politics, but . . . .

Actually, it's his character -- or lack thereof -- that I don't like. quod erat demonstrandum

A picture is, as Confucius -- or was it Fred R. Barnard -- said, worth  .  .  .  oh, well, you know the rest.

This "I was tied up" thing is getting stale. He will never get over his being shot down, captured, and asked to stay over in Viet Nam; part of which we understand was at his request.

Our experience in WWII taught us that the bombing of civilians and cities did not shorten the war, and was inhumane. Why he prides himself in this I cannot say.

In January 2005 I wrote to McCain urging him to speak out against our use of terror.

Every now and then down the years we see that old over-exposed film and your ravaged face, the face of a lonely human being lying in the toils of Leviathan. Across the years your pain bleeds into our hearts, our American hearts proud of that once and future American hero.


They had no right, we say. No right. None.


But then, what shall we say of Baghram and Abu Graib and Gitmo and stations yet unknown?


Who are we? What are we?


Please. Remember that long ago lieutenant, then, and speak, now.

 

And he did -- just not very effectually.  Because, in the end, his ambition trumped his moral sense.

 

While the bombing was largely ineffective, it was not aimed at city bombing as in WWII. At least in theory, it was aimed at military targets. Obviously, there will be civilian casualties, but the larger population areas were off-limits in North Vietnam.

It was much more a free-fire situation in the South, but that was less a Navy area.

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

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