Finally, Los Tigres del Norte
Finally, let me end my blog by saying that one wonderful way to understand
Mexican immigration is to listen to the songs of Los Tigres del Norte.
Los Tigres are the greatest Mexican pop band and easily the best
bi-national band around.
They are immigrants themselves, from Sinaloa living near San Jose,
California, and the grand chroniclers of the immigration epic. No one
understands immigrants and immigration like this band, in my opinion.
I've written a lot about the band, toured with them numerous times. You can
read a few stories if you Google my name and theirs.
They moved here in 1968 as a kid novelty act, and have been touringvirtually non-stop since then. They have changed Mexican pop music at least twice. They were the fathers of the modern narcocorrido, or ballad aboutdrug smugglers. They were the first to use sound effects, such as sirensand machine guns.
(Along the way, they transformed norteno music from a rural acoustic musicplayed in cantinas into an electric dance music played in arenas -- not
unlike the way blues evolved when it moved with black migrants from
Mississippi to Chicago.)
Among their claims to fame, the Tigres wrote the first pop hit aboutimmigrants in 1976 -- "Vivan Los Mojados" (Long Live The Wetbacks), ananthem to the importance of immigrant labor.
Since then they have sung about the epic as immigration has evolved, andimmigrants' place in America has changed, solidified, become more urban,less rural.
In 1997, a few years after California's Prop. 187, they released "Jefe deJefes" - believed to be the first double album in Mexican pop history. Init are three great immigrant songs:
-El Mojado Acaudalado (The Wealthy Wetback) is about a guy whose made his money in the states but is returning home to Mexico to spend it because heno longer feels comfortable in his new country.
-Mis Dos Patrias (My Two Countries) is about a man who is naturalizing as aUS citizen, but asking that his fellow Mexicans not view him as a traitor.
He's only trying to protect his pension. It starts with him reciting the
Pledge of Allegiance.
-Ni Aqui Ni Alla (Neither Here Nor There) doubts whether an immigrant canfind justice on either side of the border. There are many others.
If you don't understand Spanish, the music may sound repetitive. Happily,their tunes are also great to learn Spanish to, since their language isclear and the songs often contain riveting stories. Try out El Avion de la
Muerte, El Tahur, and El Gringo y El Mexico.
They have numerous greatest hits albums. Their best immigrant songs,besides those I've mentioned are:
La Jaula de Oro
El Otro Mexico
Tres Veces Mojado
Los Hijos de Hernandez
A Quien Corresponda
Pedro y Pablo
I'm sure I'm missing a few, but that's a good collection.
So that's it folks. Thanks for reading, and to some, thanks for writing in.
Again, you can contact me at my website, www.samquinones.com, where you can get copies of my books.
Cheers,
Sam Quinones
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We need to close the borderS. Note the plural. We also have people entering the U.S. on visitors' visas and not leaving. All illegal immigration is a problem. But obvously the flood of people crossing the Mexican border is the most serious problem. With determination this flood can be reduced to a trickle. In populated areas, a physical fence is probably needed, but in thinly populated and unpopulated areas a virtual fence using things like motion detectors and drone planes with infra red cameras should be more cost effective.
The illegal immigrants who are already here, if they have committed no other crime, should be given a path to legalization and citizenship. Trying to ship them all back is like trying to unscrable an egg.
But no more guest workers should be brought into the country, (except possilby for seasonal migrant agricultural work, which no American workers should be doing anyway). Guest workers who have to leave if they lose their job do not dare complain if they are exploited and mistreated and are virtual slaves of their employers. They only serve to depress the wages of unskilled and semi-skilled American workers.
October 6, 2007 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Mis Dos Patrias (My Two Countries) is about a man who is naturalizing as a US citizen, but asking that his fellow Mexicans not view him as a traitor."
I became a U.S. citizen automatically because both of my parents became naturalized citizens before I was 16. But my parents' relatives in Germany did not consider them to be traitors for becoming naturalized citizens. If I had not become a citizen automatically I would have been naturalized and would have been PROUD
to become a citizen of this country. If one chooses to make one's home in this country, one should be proud of becoming its citizen. The United States is very generous about this and makes it relatively easy for legal immigrants to become citizens. We don't need citizens like this guy who only did so to protect his pension. He should go back to Mexico.
October 6, 2007 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They are immigrants themselves"
Once again legal and illegal immigrants are being dishonestly lumped together. I am a legal immigrant (from Germany) myself and think that legal immigrants to the United States should be welcomed and made to feel at home, as I was. The problem is the invasion of masses of illegal immigrants into the United States. That is what harms the United States and must be stopped. Mexico does not let Americans enter it without permission, and there is no reason why the United States should follow any different politcy.
October 6, 2007 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now, from an American living in Mexico, read the other side of the story.
That includes this translation of one of their hits:
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A thousand times they have shouted at me,
“Go home, you don’t belong here”
Let me remind the Gringo
That I didn’t cross the border, the border crossed me
America was born free—Man divided her
They drew the line so I would have to jump it
And they call me Invader
That’s a big error
They took eight states from us—who is the invader here?
I am a stranger in my own land
I don’t come to make war—I’m a working man
(Chorus)
If history does not lie, the Powerful Nation was seated here in glory
Composed of valiant warriors
Indians of two continents
Mingled with Spaniards
And if we go by the centuries
We are more American [“Somos Mas Americanos”]
We are more American
Than any son of the Anglo-Saxon
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P.S. I can translate that into German if anyone wants, and I can even try my best to avoid using the phrase "Blut und Boden".
October 6, 2007 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of the people in Southern California, San Diego comes to mind, who decry the "invasion" from the south and the "changing culture" including music and language that the "invaders" bring. Duh. "San Diego isn't actually an English name, you know", I think to myself. The Spanish settled on this side, from Saint Augustine to Santa Fe, hundreds of years prior to the gringo arrival and the taking of their land.
But no American should harvest vegetables, so we'll let a few in. Oh, and washing dishes, cleaning motel rooms, re-asphalting roofs, yard maintenance, stuff like that. Installing satellite antennas, highway work, construction, medical . . . maybe we need them more than we think.
October 6, 2007 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. I've alway been stricken by the contridictions in Mexican culture. You know, Cortes the civilizer vs Cortes the destroyer. My old Madre Segundo, who was from Madera, Chihuahua (near the area where Geronimo's band found refuge) would tell me her memories of Pancho Villa, in in one breath he was a great hero of the people, and the next he was a horrible villan. She would jump to either mode without the slightest sign that she was contradicting herself.
The same schizms crop up in the Mestizo discourse. And why not? Look at the elaborate Mexican class system, with Peninsulars and Creoles at the top, Mestizos in the middle and the Indio at the bottom.
But in Spanish and Mexican law, the Indio is at the top of the hierarchy. Strange...
But here's a real Internet treasure, if you are interested. Hakim: The Yaqui Homeland. It's the story of a tribally secret document created by the Yaquis in Sonora that demark the boundaries of their ancestral homeland. How it came to be released, with the instructions that it could be translated into English, but not Spanish, is fascinating. The Yaquis were very stressed and worried because the Mexicans were slowly intruding on their lands as squatters. As I recall, this was in the 70s and 80s. But what got me was the question why the Yaquis produced a land holding document in the first place. I have a couple of theories.
One concerns Álvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca. I think C.de Vaca was living with the Yaquis at the time he repatriated with the Spaniards - Nuñez Guzmán and his army - between the Rio Yaqui and Rio Mayo in Sonora. I think C.de Vaca advised the Yaquis to never trust a Spaniard.
The other concerns a land claim litigation in early colonial Mexico - 1550 - that went in favor of the Zapotec, who had presented indigenous maps to define their domain. I wouldn't be surprised if news of this legal victory traveled widely in Indian Mexico, and could have inspired the Yaquis to create their document.
At any rate, I just wanted to point out this schism in Mexican culture about Indianess. I've met farmworkers up here that swear that all Indians are cannibals. You know, guys who looked like full-blooded Huicholes.
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They took eight states from us—who is the invader here?"
The original owners of the land were the Indian tribes of the Southwest, the Hopi, the Apaches, the Navaho, etc, not the Mexicans. The Spaniards, when they invaded, took control of the land away from these original rightful owners, in some cases after fierce fighting. When Mexico revolted against Spain it did not give the land back to these tribes, who were the rightful owners, but held on to it for a few years until it lost it to the United States. The members of the tribes who are the original owners of this land are citizens of the Unites States, and not of Mexico. So unless the people singing these songs are decendents of these tribes, they do not have a case. Any members of these tribes living in Mexico should have the right to enter the United States legally. For example the Tohono O'Ohdam tribe.
If the land were to be returned to the original owners it should be given back to these tribes and not to Mexico.
It should be noted that the Apache chief Geronimo received this name from fighting Mexico, not the United States.
October 6, 2007 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"That I didn’t cross the border, the border crossed me"
Unless you are a decendent of one of the tribes of the Southwestern United States, you have no basis for that claim.
And what about all the illegal immigrants living in places like Illinois and Alabama?
October 6, 2007 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We are more American [“Somos Mas Americanos”]
We are more American
Than any son of the Anglo-Saxon"
A Zapotec is no more a Hopi than an Englishman is a Frenchman.
October 6, 2007 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They took eight states from us—who is the invader here?"
If this land had remained with Mexico it would be just as poor and backward as the rest of Mexico and Mexicans living there would be crossing the Sabine River to get into the United States.
October 6, 2007 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not overlook the rebellion by the Indians in Chiapas against the Mexican government.
October 6, 2007 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
American workers would do all those jobs if the employers would offer a living wage and benefits, so illegal immigrants are not needed. The reason the illegal immigrants are being let in is to provide U.S. employers with cheap labor and shaft American workers.
October 6, 2007 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The Spanish settled on this side, from Saint Augustine to Santa Fe, hundreds of years prior to the gringo arrival and the taking of their land."
The land did not belong to the Spaniards, it belonged to the Indian tribes of California.
October 6, 2007 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I can translate that into German if anyone wants, and I can even try my best to avoid using the phrase "Blut und Boden"."
I'm not sure what the point of this remark is. I think that legal immigrants from Mexico should be made to feel as welcome here is we were made to feel when we immigrated from Germany. But I also think that if they become U.S. citizens they should feel the same pride at becoming a U.S. citizen as I did when I became a U.S. citizen.
October 6, 2007 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hold on a bit here - Zapoteca is a Oto-Manguean language, while Hopi is a Uto-Aztecan language. Plenty of Englishmen are Normans (Normandy) so by extension French. England was using French in law and documents since Bill the Conqueror landed in 1066 until the early 13th century .
<>A Zapotec is never a Hopi as an Englishman is a Frenchman (or something like that).
Uto-Aztecan is the largest language stock in Mexico, and also includes Hopi, Shoshone, Paiute, Mono, Comanche, Ute, Chemehuevi, Cahuilla, Cupeño, Pima, Tohono O'odam, Cahita, and others in the US.
Somos Mas Americanos may hold, after all.
<>NeobohoOctober 6, 2007 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, Captain. That makes all of us (who are non-native Americans) illegal immigrants. So how can some of us brand others of us illegal, and deport people, when we're all illegal? Makes no sense.
You keep coming up with good stuff like this, you're a major.
October 6, 2007 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor the rebellion by California Indians against the U.S. Government, right?
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree, Don. Legal and illegal are products of the law itself. If you want someone's land, you just write a law to make it legal. Thus we have some rather remarkable legal documents to ponder for eternity: The Rights of Discovery; Manifest Destiny and so on. Chief Justice John Marshall wrote in Worchester v. Georgia that God gave priority to agricultural peoples over the hunters and beasts of the woods. Nevermind that the nations the US was bent on disenfranchising were in fact agricultural people (hunting and gathering being a small fraction of their total economy). They had been defined as savages: hunters and beasts of the woods. So the whole affair was based on a metaphysical assumption...written into law. Another metaphysical assumption which underwrites the rights of discovery comes from John Locke - that god gave man the earth as real estate to dispose of as it pleases man.
From the Indian's pov, the distinction between the law and a bullet blurred. But the White man was of course completely legal. Thus it was legal for the Pit River Rangers of Redding, California, to hunt and kill Indians for sport in 1852. It reminds me of Blackwater's abillity to legally murder Iraqis.
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"from an American living in Mexico"
I'll bet you did not sneak across the border from the United States into Mexico, but bothered to get the Mexican government's permission, just as I got an entry pass from the Mexican government when I traveled in Mexico. If you had entered illegaly, the Mexican government would not have allowed you to stay there. Mexico has every right to protect its borders and is fully jusified in doing so. So does the United States.
October 6, 2007 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
And New Mexico Indians against the Spaniards.
The point is that the Indian tribes of the Southwest are the only people who have any historic claims on the Southwestern lands.
October 6, 2007 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because we now have two nation states in control of this area, the United States and Mexico and each is responsible for controlling the affairs within its territory, and has the right to control its own borders. Both citizens of the United States and Guatamalans who illegaly enter Mexico are illegal immigrants and the Mexican government has the perfect right to evict them and vice versa. The only acceptable alternative to such an arrangement would be for both the United States and Mexico to give the lands back to the Indian Tribes.
October 6, 2007 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
But there were quite a few gringos living in Northern Mexico by 1846. In Sonoma, California they even rioted and created "The Republic of California", and they did not yet know that the US had declared war on Mexico. Mexico was naturalizing gringos, so these people were also citizens of Mexico as well as the US.
One thing that you have to keep in mind is that Mexico was almost bankrupt after the 12 year War of Independence from Spain (ending in 1821). They were powerless to thwart the land greedy gringos, more or less. Santa Anna's campaign in Texas was quite a feat, considering the resources Mexico had to bring to the battlefield.
At any rate, there were plenty of gringos around that got crossed by the border.
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche' but:
The fact that the French and English have some common history does not mean they are not very different.
Uto-Aztecan is the largest language stock in Mexico and English and French are both Indo-Aryan languages.
That does not mean that this doen not involve very different people.
It would be very helpful for a linguist to step in here.
October 6, 2007 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Mexico was naturalizing gringos, so these people were also citizens of Mexico as well as the US."
Mexico actually sought immigration from the U.S. to these sparsely populated territories. Not a wise decision.
So the citizens of Mexico in Texas and California revolted against Mexico and won their independence just as the British subjects of the 13 colonies revolted against Great Britain and won their independence.
October 6, 2007 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
"-Ni Aqui Ni Alla (Neither Here Nor There) doubts whether an immigrant canfind justice on either side of the border. There are many others."
Legal Mexican immigrants can find justice in the United States. While they are subject to discrimination by U.S. bigots, U.S. courts will uphold their rights.
October 6, 2007 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fundamental underlying cause of the illegal immigration problem is the failure of the Mexican economy to thrive. A country that must export its poor in order to keep it from collapsing is a pathelogically disfunctional economy. The existence of a corrupt one pary political system is undoubtedly a major cause. After things looked up after the first free elections put the Fox government into power, it looks like the PAN managed to steal the election from Obrador. This is a great tragedy for Mexico because Obrador would have brought about some of the reforms Mexico badly needs. While the great majority of Mexicans live in abject poverty, it has an elite of very rich people. If Mexico is ever to prosper this has to be brought to an end.
This change has to be brought about by Mexicans, the United States cannot do it for them except by closing the border, so that Mexico can no longer count on exporting its poor as a substitute for genuine reform.
October 6, 2007 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
And their would be no incentive for Mexicans living south of the Rio Bravo (Grande) to cross it because things would be no better north of it.
It is only because this land has been made economically prosperous by the United States, that Mexicans want to get in.
October 6, 2007 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, here, let me complicate it a bit more. In the Hopi creation stories there is an important segment about the wandering of the clans. They claim some of the clans came from Palenque, Chiapas.
I think there is a popular notion in the US that Indian groups were very localized, didn't know much about the world three hills away, and were only aware of the existence of their immediate neighbors. This simply was not the case. Obsidian from Modoc County in Northern California has been found in sites in New York State, for example, or pottery from Tenochitlan has been found at sites in Redding. It's fascinating to study good language maps of the Americas, they are full of all sorts of surprises. You realzed that Indians from the Carrabean populated the Amazon basin, of there is a small group of Athabascan speaker is Costa Rica.
The present US Mexican border did not exist before it was stricken by the United States Topographic Core of Engineers in the 1850. Indigenous traveled freely across it for at least ten thousand years. The so-called "Anasazi" people lived in a related cultural complex that stretched from Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and deep into Chihuahua. The so-called Aztecs (Tenochas) arrived in the Valley of Mexico in the 14th century, from parts unknown (I think it was the "Anasazi" area in Chihuahua, but that's another topic.) They were absorbed by the Nahuatl culture there - language, culture and religion. The Navajo migrated to their lands from Canada, arriving around 1500.
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The enegy that is currently being devoted to trying to justify illegal immigation would be more productively applied to bringing about the needed reforms in Mexico to make the Mexican economy triving and prosperous so that Mexicans could enjoy a good standard of living without having to sneak across the border.
The fact that Spain has managed to overome its traditional poverty and become prosperous shows that the impediment is not cultural.
October 6, 2007 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Location of message moved.
October 6, 2007 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mexico needs the kind of economic policies that are being applied by the democratically elected Presidents of Brazil (Lula) and Bolivia (Morales).
October 6, 2007 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that could get complicated too. The Siouian groups were forced out of the north eastern woodlands onto the plains by Chippewas who were being forced east by Iroquoians who were being forced east by Englishmen. The Lakota claim to the Black Hills has to be taken in that context. Remember, Kevin Costner's Indian buddies were being attacked by Pawnee bad guys - who were pissed because the Souix had moved into their lands.
You know, Tecumseh could have succeeded in chasing the Europeans off the continent. When he traveled around to organize the tribes in the Southeast they all agreed to a united front. His error was that he didn't leave cadres of organizers behind - when he moved on to the next tribe, the just-radicalized tribe just stood around wondering what to do, so nothing much happened.
Neoboho
October 6, 2007 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I visited Mexico many years ago I could not help noticing the difference between the racial make up of the people I saw on Mexican television and that of the people I saw on the streets of Mexico city.
October 6, 2007 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the Navaho were invaders into the lands of the tribes who were already there, the Hopi and the Pueblo. As a matter of fact Anasazi is a Navaho word meaning something like "enemy of my ancestors."
October 6, 2007 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"ananthem (sic) to the importance of immigrant labor."
Once again legal and illegal immigrants are being dishonstly lumped together.
The illegal immigrant labor is important only to the corporate interests who want cheap labor and do not want to pay American workers (including legal immigrants) a living wage and provide benefits.
The only reason we have all those jobs that "American workers do not want to do" is that the employers are not offering living wages and benefits to the workers doing this kind of work. The fact that many American workers are willing to work as coal miners shows that American workers will do a dangerous, diry job if the pay and benefits are good.
October 6, 2007 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many of the various Indian tribes also defended their borders from unauthorized entry by outsiders.
October 6, 2007 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
neoboho,
Jonathan Swift wrote his own epitaph,
William Butler Yeats translated it from the Latin as:
Swift has sailed into his rest.
Savage indignation there
cannot lacerate his breast.
Imitate him if you dare,
world-besotted traveller.
He served human liberty.
You have dared to imitate Swift. Quite well, too.
ecotourism
WeGoEco.com
October 6, 2007 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Captain,
Tomorrow being Sunday I and my companion shall take a leisurely drive through southern California, park the car in Tecate, US, and stroll across the Mexican border un-noticed and un-molested to Tecate Mexico. We shall walk down the hill to the zocolo (square) where we will take a seat at an outdoor restaurant and order our coffee and huevos rancheros, which we will enjoy while watching the scene unfold: vendors, families, finely dressed Mexican gentlemen in their sombreros and polished boots, the old gents playing dominoes, the children romping, the mariachis, etc. Being on a diet, I'll pass up the usual paleta (delicious fruit ice) and finally walk back north, up the hill and through the US customs station with the nasty officer asking me stupid questions: What did you do? Where's your car? Where are you going? and then we're back home again.
ecotourism
WeGoEco.com
October 6, 2007 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you were to take a job in Mexico, things would be quite different.
Unfortunately the fact that Mexico has a failed economy that requires it to export its poor and is the base of massive drug smuggling operations makes this kind of thing impossible for the United States.
I would much prefer that Mexico were comparable in economic wealth to the United States.
The nickname I use, CaptainVideo is based on an early 1950's science fiction TV program. Captain Video headed a space organization that worked for the North American Union. If Mexico were comparable to the United States in prosperity, such an organization, similar to the European Union, would be feasible and highly desirable. Unfortunately the way things are, it is not. There is just too much difference in income and wealth between the two countries.
October 6, 2007 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
But the Chiapas rebellion is a lot more recent and may still not have been fully resolved.
October 6, 2007 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
This legal position is especially interesting in light of the fact that when Israel invaded the land of the Caananites, the Israelis were nomads while the Caananites were agricultural people.
This position was blatent legal sophistry.
October 6, 2007 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
ecotourism
WeGoEco.com
I looked up your Web site. If health permits I may well take the tour of Copper Canyon that one of the companies on your site offers. Using local guides and structuring the tours to help the local economy is something that strongly deserves to be supported.
October 7, 2007 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reducing the flood of additional illegal immigrants to a trickle will also make it more politically feasible to institute a program of earned legalization leading to eventual citizenship for those who want it for the illegal immigrants who are already here.
October 7, 2007 12:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dang, I'm going to have to visit Tecate - I haven't been there in years and years. Building a retirement home in Tecate seems to be a popular goal of many Mexicans here in Imperial Valley.
But your story reminded me of a 1 am crossing I made in ancient times, circa 1962, at San Luis Rio Colorado. The Mexican border agent was sound asleep, but some how he managed to wave us through without opening his eyes.
Neoboho
October 7, 2007 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
More pro-Mexico propaganda, sounds like to me...
set to a catchy latin beat, I suppose, but
propaganda, nonetheless. But, there's a lot of
people that publish propaganda, sadly if they'd
spent their monies and their efforts otherwise,
they would have probably rooted out some
of the real causes and problems by now, such
as lack of education, lack of infrastructure,
hospitals and the like, but, as I gather it,
we're supposed to cover all that for em through
federal taxes etc. That slow ripping sound is
the dollar, shedding its' threads, I think...
October 7, 2007 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink