Going After Gore?
Check out the Vanity Fair piece and ask yourself, why do these reporters, having committed this atrocity of coverage, still have jobs? If they were lawyers or doctors, the malpractice claims would have driven them out of the profession. If they were politicians they'd have more accountability than they have now, and that's saying something. And anyone would have more remorse than they show, even with the benefit of hindsight.
There are a lot of reporters I know and respect, but I will never forget the one (not named in VFair, which listed only some of the perpetrators) who put down his pen after a long and cruel interview about my friend and high school classmate Al Gore, and explained that he was so hard on Al because "we expect more from Gore; he knows what to do but just won't show leadership. He just lacks courage to say what he believes."
What is a reporter doing expecting more from one candidate than from another? Why should he write negative articles about the one he expects more from and positive about the one who has created low expectations? And of course nothing could have been more wildly ignorant and unperceptive than the observation that Al Gore lacks leadership characteristics or personal courage. How could someone so unaware, inattentive and misinformed obtained the power to publish a biograph of Al Gore? Why would anyone ever publish a word that fellow wrote? And yet they still do, because his sentences flow, heedless of accuracy but easily for the reader to read.
For the record, in this case I define leadership as the ability to move a culture toward awareness of an imperative, something Gore showed from the first day he got to Congress.
















I find nothing regarding Gore in that Vanity Fair link. The first story is about Christopher Hitchens. What am I doing wrong?
September 4, 2007 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are a lot of reporters I know and respect, but I will never forget the one (not named in VFair, which listed only some of the perpetrators)
Why protect him? He's dishonest, unprofessional and vindictive. I would think that nullifies any "off the record" agreement.
September 4, 2007 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"we expect more from Gore;"
So they helped to put the amicable dunce from whom you couldn't expect very much in charge of the country. Can you imagine how different things would be if President Gore were in his second term? All the members of the media who savaged Gore and gave Bush a free ride share the blame for the mess this country is in and for all the people who have needlessly died.
September 4, 2007 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the members of the media who did this should be exposed and embarrased for what they did.
September 4, 2007 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gore showed leadership by putting his principles before anything else.
If Bush II has put his principles before anything else, his principles are out of touch with reality. What is this author writing about Dubya?
September 4, 2007 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone know how Seelye (the last name of the Times reporter) and Ceci (the first name of the Post reporter) are pronounced?
September 4, 2007 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Airhead Maureen Dowd certainly deserves much of the criticism for her role.
The total superficiality of emphsizing Gore's sighing when Bush showed his ignorance in the first debate, such as not knowing
that Social Security was a federal program, is appalling.
In light of the incompetence Bush was showing in the debate, the sighing was an appropriate response.
On the other hand, that is the way the Gore campaign should have countered this criticism, and it did not. The Gore campaign shares the blame with the partisan anti Gore reporters for what happened.
September 4, 2007 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you and I agree. So sad and horrifying when you think about it.
It's nice to seem Mr. Gore has such good friends.
But I refuse to give up on having the excellent leadership of Mr. Gore to be President. He is our only hope to solve the many problems we face. The only one with the courage to do the right thing.
Time for a COOL change,
Gore
2008
September 4, 2007 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sad thing is that the same dynamic played out in 2004. And is playing out now, in both the Dem primaries and the Repub primaries.
The well is poisoned.
I'm sending that article out to people I know and respect along with a strong exhortation to stop reading print media in isolation, to go to primary sources first or in conjunction, or avoid it altogether.
The amazing thing to me is that smart, intelligent people, people with whom I commiserated over what we collectively viewed as unfair coverage to Gore, to Kerry, during the run-up to the Iraq war, these people I know...continue to go back to that media as their primary source of political news.
It's like battered wife syndrome.
September 4, 2007 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
How many "liberals" grinned about all that Gore stuff? How many perpetuated it themselves? I know of several people who post right here who were, good little sheep that they are, saying things like that up to a year ago. We can -- and should -- point the finger at media that are accountable to no one, but there's plenty of finger pointing to go around. Liberals swallowed that garbage whole and angrily regurgitated it at every opportunity, for years and years. Some of them still do.
Crooked cops, crooked lawyers, crooked judges, crooked politicians, crooked doctors, crooked scientists, crooked clergymen -- but no crooked journalists. An amazing record for an amazing class of people.
September 4, 2007 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Journalists" are the worst when it comes to dishing it out but not being able to take it. Reading their comments reminds me of the kinds of things Germans would say after the war about the Nazi's as though they themselves bore no responsibility for what occured. "Sure, I was a member of the party but I was shocked to find out what they were doing..." Yes, that is an exaggeration, but the point is that all of the journalists who were on the scene and reporting about the campaign could have and SHOULD have objected to what was going on and at the very best they did nothing. Most of them actively participated in the lies and distortions used to attack Gore because the nation's leading "journalists" have all the maturity of an 11 year old girl who didn't get her way.
The same maturity level (and attention span I might add) is responsible for the bullshit of the past 7 years as well. They didn't just screw Gore of course, they screwed the nation and the world--especially Iraq, with their laziness and lies. Their off the scale poor judgement told them that Bush was okay, but Gore was not. What more needs to be said about the ability or desirability of having these people doing the jobs they do? They should not only lose their jobs, they should be put in shackles for what they've done.
September 4, 2007 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media is accountable to no one
Quite right.
Oh it is true that the media is accountable to its audience in that circulation/viewership/listeners can decline to consume their product. If enough people 1) are made aware of media manipulation of public opinion through deceptive and often FALSE reporting (not only by one outlet but by multiple outlets as the Vanity Fair article demonstrates) and 2) enough people stop supporting these media outlets, they will have to abide by a new motto "Be objective or perish"
Trouble is, it is not an easy task. Most media consumers are not inquisitive enough to see how they are being manipulated. Telling them that they are being manipulated might help, but they tend to think you are a far-left conspiracy theorist.
Still, we have to start holding journalists accountable for what they write.
The account in Vanity Fair made me nauseous. I know at the time that Gore was being attacked unfairly, but I made the fundamental error of thinking that it was the American People who were being unfair to him and that the media was merely reflecting (reporting?) the public sentiment. The fact is that to a great extent the media SHAPES public sentiment.
What makes people think that Journalists must be so pure and ethical? Probably the myth-machine that the media has established... consider this little piece of sloganeering "all the news that's fit to print" on every copy of the New York Times.
Journalist have a facility/felicity with language. They know how to couch their reportage in objective sounding phrases. But in fact, Journalist have no expertise at all in ferreting out truth about what really is behind the bare facts. So they write their "story" (good word given its fictional connotation) hoping to make a splash, make a name for themselves as for example Maureen Dowd did.
Nevermind that they have a crucial responsibility to be as objective as they can in reporting matters concerning the res publica,
Gore is a lactating feminized male, Gore is delusional, Gore is a liar...and on and on they went and it made me sick.
Indeed they are the cancer in our society. They allow a Bush to get elected. They require politicians to toady up to them. They are the "Washington--Broadway" tribe. They hold the aces.
MY suggestion is to boycott the MSM. Blogs have links to their articles that might have some informational merit.
But ultimately, we have to establish an alternate media. Daily Kos and this and other websites are the start of this process. It is no wonder they froth at the mouth about the so-called "irresponsible blogs"
At least in the blogs you have choice. Subscribe to the New York Times or the Washington Post, and you are their little captive that can be nurtured to have the "right" sorts of views.
I am glad that Vanity Fair wrote that exposé. It was about time. They are on my good list.
September 4, 2007 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suppose for the establishment media around 2000 Gore WAS the "inconvenient truth"
September 4, 2007 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
This really brought back some terrible memories. I was among those who were totally confused and outraged by the treatment Gore got, but who eventually decided "where there is all of that smoke, surely there must be a fire there too." I can't think of a punishment that would be severe enough for the editors of the news media who allowed this to happen. Saddam's treatment might approach such a level of punishment.
Hoppy in Sacramento
September 4, 2007 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
Yeah, for many months I was livid over the 'theft' of the office of President of the U.S.A. by Bush & Cheney (with the connivance of the five 'justices' on the USSC)....And then I got to thinking that with Lieberman as VP there would have been a very good possibility that Gore would have never made it through the first two years. He would have been eliminated by some MOSSAD agent and we would have ALL (instead of just most) of our Middle-East policies run from Tel Aviv.
Why, Joe might have even moved cabinet meetings to Tel Aviv...at least on a once a month basis.
September 4, 2007 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed,
As a personal friend, I can easily understand why you would be upset about the attacks on Gore. Most pernicious in my mind was the accumulation of attacks that resulted in Gore being labeled a serial exaggerator; i.e., liar.
Still Gore had it quite easy compared to Democratic candidates like Kerry and Dukakis.
How the hell do you top Kerry as a coward and traitor? They did it perhaps by Reagan starting the ball rolling by labeling Dukakis as mentally unbalanced of all things.
The most devastating attack I ever read on Al Gore was penned by none other than the media's longtime favorite faux liberal, Michael Kinsley, long before Al Gore became a Democratic nominee for president.
The star power that Gore now enjoys blinds those seeking to demonstrate the illusion of the former Conservative Alternative as a true environmentalist. He ain't though he undoubtedly is a great movie maker.
Best, Terry
September 4, 2007 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I read your linked Vanity Fair article... & I remember every single one of those events and many more.
AFAIC, the article and it's interviews w/those it cites as covering Gore's campaign, reiterate the 2 most salient points true then & now:
a) they were all shitty journalists... bottom feeders all.
b) they didn't/don't give a rip about a)
And nothing's changed.
One quote from Vanity Fair:
Well, they got that right... Bush is a "different kind of Republican" allright. Rotten to the core, a 2 bit self- aggrandazing crook who's tilted the entire planet off axis.
From Vanity Fair again...
So, journalists today can't be bothered to check quotes?
and this...
This is news-journalism? As I said, nothing's changed.. it's the same today. And it's the reason why I spend +/- 2 hrs a day hacking around the (mostly) blogosphere trying to patch together a factual account of the days news.
September 4, 2007 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The nonesense about Edward's hair shows that things, if anything, have gotten worse.
September 5, 2007 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
"You can actually disprove some of what Bush is saying if you really get into the weeds and get out your calculator, or look at his record in Texas."
Maybe if these "reporters" had done their job and looked into the facts instead of wanting to be entertained, we would not be in the Iraqi quagmiere, and the Constitution was not being shredded. These people really are not worth the powder to blow them up.
September 5, 2007 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Any rank partisan or ignorant idiot who would proclaim that Gore "...just lacks courage to say what he believes" has obviously not read or heard any of Gore's fiery speeches, or bothered to investigate the harsh and brutally poignant message Gore has been passionately delivering for years. Particularly, recently, the message that the socalled MSM have purposefully ignored and downplayed is that the Bush government has "broken the law repeatedly and insistantly", and that congress then under GOP control, but even now, has "abrogated its' constitutional authority to provide a balance and check to the executive."
The socalled MSM are complicit parrots and disinformation warriors, and propaganda and slime meisters on the payroll of, and beholden to the fascists in the Bush government.
Like everyone in the Bush government the complicit parrots in the socalled MSM cannot be tust to present the truth, facts, or to adequately investigate any issue or individual. Their primary function is glorifying, defending, excusing, shielding, and in overt ways supporting the fascist warmongers, profiteers, and pathological liars in the Bush government.
"Deliver us from evil!"
September 5, 2007 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's too late to do any good now, but Gore's response to the criticism about the sighing should have been:
"in light of the total ignorance Bush was displaying in his comments, sighing was an appropriate response. As a matter of fact, it was too mild, in light of the nonesense Bush was saying, I should have been tearing my hair out."
September 5, 2007 12:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qG6m9SnWI
From the John Edwards campaign.
What really matters?
September 5, 2007 12:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
why do these reporters, having committed this atrocity of coverage, still have jobs?
Because Gore is a Democrat.
They wouldn't dare do this to a GOP candidate.
Reporters working for the corporate media fear the GOP. They fear offending conservatives. They go out of their way to be fair to GOP politicians. They fear retaliation. They fear being targeted by the Right Wing Noise Machine. They fear being Ratherized. They also fear their own corporate bosses, most of whom are republicans.
These same reporters do not fear Democrats. They don't fear offending liberals. They know they can say anything about a Dem politician and get away with it. Dems do not have the means to retailiate. They don't have their own Noise Machine.
So it is not just Gore. The problem is much bigger. Unless/until Dems build their own Noise Machine and retaliate against these journalistic felons they will continue to be victimized. Reporters who gave us the Whitewater hoax are still employed. If they had done it to a GOP president they would have been fired.
September 5, 2007 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
It still goes on, and I'm wondering if Media Matters for America will document the most recent atrocity, which happened on NPR's Morning Edition this morning. Senator Larry Craig, compounding duplicity, mendacity, and stupidity, leaves a recorded message on a total stranger's cell phone giving orders on how to spin the news--revealing that his "intent" to resign was no more than another example of three card monte...this time with the public and the republican leadership as shills.
Speaking of shills, (and the source of my outrage), Senior Correspondent Juan Williams then comes on to "analyze" the story, and, as I should have expected, couldn't be on the air for 30 seconds without saying that this phone call was what one might have have heard during the Monica Lewinsky "scandal". If two cents of my public broadcasting contribution goes to pay the salary of this lightweight I'm not getting my money's worth. I sent this letter to NPR.
If anyone else heard this sorry effort, I hope they'll add their voice to mine. I should add that calling this the "latest" reportorial atrocity was true at 6:45 a.m. eastern standard time... there probably will be later atrocities before this post falls off the front page.
aMike
September 5, 2007 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here's something I posted on the Todd Gitlin column "The Bulldozer and the Big Tent"
I agree with all Todd's suggestions but I'd add one more.
Bob Somerby at The Daily Howler has been waging a somewhat lonely war against media types that attack Democrats in ways they usually use to attack criminals, but all too often walking right past a Republican scandal to write and comment admiringly of Republicans. Somerby uses names, dates and quotes to show how much of it started with the Gore/Bush race and has been continuing ever since. Happily, Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com has joined the fight.
A recent example is Gloria Borger, who writes glowingly of Karl Rove and who can't comment on Senator Larry Craign without bringing up Bill CLinton. Its interesting that Borger finds Rove admirable, but then again, I could too if I ignored 80% of what Rove stands for and what he's done to win elections. David Broder is another one who readily attacks Democrats for real and imaginary trangressions while all too often ignoring Republican chicanerery
Why is the "conventional wisdom" so often
a pejorative view of the Democrats? Whether its the media gang, Matthews, Russert, etc. that lives and plays with Jack Welch in their mega mansions on Nantucket or the White House press corps, all too ready to bust out laughing at whatever lame attempt at humor Toney Snow or his precedessors throw out. Every time I watch one of these things, at the end I think to myself, "And a good time was had by all."
I say to Todd, if you want a chance to put your suggestions into play then you had better join Bob Somerby and start attacking those supposedly objective journalists who are quick to gang up on Democrats, who are only too happy to repeat that Gore said he invented the internet, who can't join in a panel discussion about a Republican scandal without bringing up Democrats, thereby ameliorating the Republican sin, who feel, as Margaret Carlson told Imus, (paraphrase) 'we see attacking Gore as sport and we know Bush is guilty of more grievous sins but that's just Bush being Bush.'
Name names, dates and use quotes whenever one of these "journalists" dissembles, exaggerates or shows a misplaced admiration for some political figure. Take them to task for this crap, make them stand up and take notice.
Todd, today's "journalists" are the Democrats worst enemy and if you don't take them on your suggestions will simply be ridiculed by this gang.
September 5, 2007 4:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know See Dee. I've read your posts and how you used to be sympathetic to Israel but not anymore after what you've seen. So, hey, now I guess you have standing to speculate that Mossad would have assasinated an American president so the Jewish Vice President could have ruled at the direction of and, even from, Israel.
Whatever.
Please say you are only kidding and I will gladly eat loads of crow and remove my rating of "1". Absent that, this is a most hateful and despicable post See Dee, no matter how disillusioned you are with Israel and our relationship with it. This kind of post has no place on a liberal website, or on any American website.
September 5, 2007 4:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You have five choices: asshole, cunt, bitch, slut, whore. Either pronunciation is correct.
September 5, 2007 6:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
The story itself is fascinating...the man either was guilty as charged or lied in his plea, and then was incautious enough to leave a voice mail describing a con-game spin on a total stranger's phone. All Juan Williams could do was SPECULATE that this type phone call could have been heard 10 years ago during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
A beauty for sure, amike.
The anointed "liberal" commentators on MSM are all most judiciously selected. Fox is no different in that regard. The pairing of Matalin and Carville is the most nauseating.
Best, Terry
September 5, 2007 6:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know that the media's treatment of Gore was beneath contempt when it took Joe Scarborough, of all people, to speak the truth.
From Bob Somerby's great analysis of the smear campaign at The Daily Howler:
September 5, 2007 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
So they helped to put the amicable dunce from whom you couldn't expect very much in charge of the country.
Reagan--in Clark Clifford's memorable phrase--was the amiable dunce.
Bush is just a dunce.
Can you imagine how different things would be if President Gore were in his second term?
Not a day goes by when I don't think about this.
September 5, 2007 6:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to get all Bob Somersby here, but why isn't this the lead story on every single liberal blog in the country? As bad as the past seven years have been in general, what happened to Gore was worse, completely beyond the pale.
It's happening again in miniature, to Edwards (over the hair cut) to Hillary (over Hsu) and to Obama (though not as much, over his comments about Pakistan). We need to spend a lot of time thinking about what happened in 2000 and how we can stop it.
The best way would be to get Dowd, Fineman, Connolly, and Seelye fired from their jobs. But we probably can't do that.
What can we do? Does anyone have the answer?
September 5, 2007 6:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
The scenario in which a reporter admits that "more is expected from Gore" appears to be common among the MSM stenography pool.
Joe Klein said essentially the same thing several months ago in his Swampland blog. Republicans can sling mud, because that's what's expected of them. Democrats must stay above the fray and argue on issues alone. Democrats have to be "Centrists" and find common ground with GOP members.
Klein summarized, "it's not fair, but that's the political situation".
Democrats who are too "aggressive" are leftwing ideologues, while wingnuts are just the GOP being themselves.
The bias is obvious.
The most visible media critic, Howard Kurtz, will deny any bias is occurring, as will must reporters.
September 5, 2007 7:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Vanity Fair writer "finds that many in the media are re-assessing their 2000 coverage [of Gore]."
I wonder if these same writers who trashed Gore in the runup to 2000 are also re-assessing their rosy coverage of Bush? I remember hearing the stories at the time, of Bush joshing around on the press plane. A presidential candidate who had a thick enough skin to make fun of himself -- a guy to have a beer with -- what a breath of fresh air! It almost made me want to vote for him. But of course, now we know better -- we know that he was lying through his teeth about compassionate conservatism. We know that his skin is thin. We know that his vaunted loyalty to those who work for him extends only as far as their usefulness to him. We now know that for any of Bush's purported policy failures -- in Iraq, regarding Katrina, anything else you can think of -- the blame falls elsewhere. If "character" was Bush's strong suit in 2000, we know now that he didn't even hold two of a kind.
I am less bothered by their trashing of Gore in 2000 -- in fact, their canonization of him now makes me nervous -- than of the MSM's failure to show the country exactly who it was voting for in Bush.
September 5, 2007 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee,
Who runs whose policies, now....?
But nevermind. SeeDee is probably right. After all, when a certain people has the power to kill gods and sons of gods, controlling US foreign policy is a piece of cake.
September 5, 2007 7:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
Yeah, bslev, there is an element of 'kidding'in the post; and you are somewhat wrong with your "used to be sympathetic to Israel" spiel...I am still sympathetic to Israel and, by far, most Jewish people I read of or am acquainted with...I'm just not sympathetic with what has occurred in Israel (and with several Jewish 'advisors' and officials who pushed the war in Iraq).
You seem to want to overlook the roles played by Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, and many other PNAC advocates, in the bally-hoo for war with Iraq...and many of whom seem to be trying to orchestrate another WAR...this time with Iran.
And, 'liberal' site or no, I doubt that opinions that ruffle feathers occasionally are all that bad.
September 5, 2007 7:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican Noise machine is driven top down while the Democratic version is bottom up. Look to the polls regarding Iraq to see which works better before feeling too despondent.
Enjoy.
Mom always said I was special and I believed her.
September 5, 2007 7:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you just name the f%$#^r? Who is this guy who expected more from Gore than Bush. Bush has certainly given us more than most people, including, I'm sure, this sanctimonious reporter, bargained for. But he gave Bush a pass by being tougher on Gore. This man, and others like him, are responsible for the mess we are in. I want to know who it was.
September 5, 2007 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find the constant whining about the press to be nothing but a huge distraction. Sure there were some badly written stories. Sure, some journalists are lazy and repeat what they hear over cocktails rather than do the hard work of going out and finding the truth for themselves. But such press malfeasance probably doesn't amount to much in the grand scheme of things. The idea that Bush won the election because he got more favorable press than Gore is ludicrous. For every Bush-is-a-likeable-guy story, there was a Bush-as-draft-dodger or Bush-as-alcoholic story. Similarly, for every story about Gore inventing the Internet, there were many stories about Gore's real accomplishments.
Most people form their views about candidates based on the messages the campaigns themselves communicate, whether through ads or having their spokespeople appear on TV. They present a positive image of themselves and they try to define the other guy in negative terms. The sad fact is that the Bush campaign did a better job than the Gore campaign of marketing its product. More thoughtful coverage in the press might have changed things at the margin (although given how close the 2000 election was, that would have made the difference) but the election should never have been close enough for it to matter. For that, the blame ultimately rests squarely with one man: Al Gore. As a veteran of the 1992 campaign, Gore should have anticipated the Republican slime machine would go after him and he should have had a response. It was his fault, not the press's, that he couldn't figure out a message, didn't utilize Bill Clinton on the trail and didn't feel comfortable enough in his own skin to present himself as a regular guy.
September 5, 2007 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee,
Sure. Because Perle, Wolfowitz and Feith are so much more powerful than Bush, Cheney and Rice (and Powell and Rumsfeld). To paraphrase an old tagline, "It's gotta be the Jews!"
(Cont'd),
Hardly an original narrative....
September 5, 2007 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ned's right about mentioning as well the coverage of Bush. Frank Bruni is one of my villains, and his reward, the food column (assigned to a journalist and not a food writer, too), is all too appropriate. Eric Alterman has a good chapter on the 2000 campaign. He suggests reporters so easily manipulated that they'd be more sympathetic to Bush by matters as trivial as the food served on the campaign plane.
The coverage of Gore brought out almost all their weaknesses. First, the campaign against him was smear and innuendo, and they the media plays stenography. Second, much involved personalities, facial expressions, weight, etc., and they eat that up. (Wow, human interest!) Third, the smirk thing changed the debates from who said what or who went over better at the time to post-debate spin, and the media loves horse-race coverage. Fourth, Gore sounded honest and intelligent, and the media resent it when they're not the smartest kid on the block. Fifth, they'd always both loved and hated Clinton, as juicy but the guy they could never pin anything on. (Gosh, all those Whitewater stories, and no crime after all! Gosh, all that Monica coverage, and the public doesn't care!) So here comes someone both not juicy and yet a Clinton follow-up. The first made them angry, like a poor second season, the second made it payback time.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
September 5, 2007 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
....why do these reporters, having committed this atrocity of coverage, still have jobs?
Because they shot down Gore, duh.
The MSM wants coverage to favor Republicans. Their corporate overlords want low taxes and loose regulations and they're more likely to get that from Republicans.
September 5, 2007 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's no question this is all true, but I'd add one more thing: Democrats must stand up for themselves and for eachother!
The Democrats are like animals who don't understand the herd mentality. Republicans do, that's why they stick together. They know the youngest, weakest, and/or slowest might get caught by the predators out there, but if they all stick together, chances are that not many of them will get eaten. Democrats, on the other hand, when they even spot an approaching predator all fan out individually and point to the member of the herd closest to the predator and beg "please take him, but not me, please!"
If Democrats had the balls to stand up for themselves and forcefully denounce this lazy, unprofessional and juvenile form of "journalism" supported and encouraged by the corporate owners of the media it would make a real difference. If Democrats would come down on "journalists" who engage in this bullshit on another Democrat and relentlessy point out the bias and innacuracy and the unfairness of the treatment any Democrat receives then it would make a huge difference. If Democrats would openly encourage citizens and rank and file Dems to forcefully and actively attack the journalists who attack our elected leaders unfairly it would make a huge difference.
"Journalists" bitch slap Democrats like this for the same reason Republicans do: because they know they can and that they will pay no price because Democrats are almost universally a bunch of wimps, cowards, and pussies who wouldn't stand up for their own Mom's or their own children if they were being insulted or treated unfairly. We have seen ample evidence of this cowardly, pathetic behavior recently with the idiotic obsession with Edwards' hair and Hillary's choice of necklines, with the cave in on the FISA extension and with Reid and Pelosi's utter impotence and offers of surrender in advance on the continued funding of the war and the withdrawal of troops. Instead of standing up for themselves or what they believe, DC Democrats cower in the corner hoping that the rich people they wish to please don't hit them again. It's like battered woman syndrome but it takes hold on every Democrat in Washington whether elected or in a support role.
Yet, how quickly things would change if they would just start calling a spade and spade and calling out the reporters who do this shit by name, often, and very publicly. Sadly, we'll probably never know because the crowd we've elected clearly doesn't have the balls to even try.
September 5, 2007 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're wrong.
Most people make their minds up based on a combination of the news and the paid messages they hear/see.
Also, Gore won the f****ing election! So any marginal difference would have a huge impact on the results and on the public perception of what happened when the election was stolen.
September 5, 2007 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brad the Dad,
I wish I had your certainty about the ability of the public to overcome negative press messages regarding Gore.
However the fact that at least one major media institution, Gore was a punchline, and lowered expectations were applied to GW is important.
Advertising (media stories) works. I have iPods and a Palm TX for a reason. I have been convinced that I need them. (My brother -in-law is content with his Sony Walkman another advertising gem).
The more I read about the results when statistical analysis is applied to human behavior, I realize that purchase decisions, choices of political candidates, and interactions with different ethnic groups are all impacted by our internal biases and messages picked up through the media in ways we may not recognize.
The "I created" the internet" punchline still resonates today. How many people are asking, "Do we have names of pilots who in formation with GW?"
I am concerned about the influence of print, televised, and radio influences on public opinion. I take MSM admission of bias against Gore very seriously.
September 5, 2007 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
September 5, 2007 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reed... Speaking of courage, name him.
September 5, 2007 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
An earlier comment shows that the proportion of Gore as Serial Liar stories was in fact greater.
I was not politically active in 2000. I watched the first debate without watching the follow-up commentary and I came away from it with the impression that Gore won and Bush was an idiot. I stopped paying attention.
Imagine my surprise when I later learned that according to the pundits and commentators, Gore lost that debate. Apparently because he got so frustrated by Bush's BS that he sighed too loud.
That's when I started paying attention. I suggest that you begin paying attention, too, because if the media weren't so post-modern that they apparently can't (or can't be bothered to) distinguish lies from truth, the public outrage against the Bush administration would have already brought about its downfall. In my opinion, the only thing that has allowed them to do what they have done is their ability to control the media narrative.
September 5, 2007 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the support for your claim that I have ever overlooked Anyone's support for the war, Jew or non Jew??.
September 5, 2007 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I see I've gotten some troll ratings. Do you understand the accepted usage for troll ratings here?
Do you disagree with my choice of language or with the accuracy of those choices? My posting history will show that I'm no troll so what gives? If you simply disagree with my statement then please remove the rating or if you don't agree with my choice of words then hide your eyes 'cause these are the lowest of the low when it comes to "journalism."
September 5, 2007 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
Wait! Wait! now, Zionista...I NEVER said anything about "a certain people 'killing gods and sons of gods' controlling US foreign policy..."...
What is your statement supposed to imply? Oh, nevermind...it may have been that you just thought it was a good parting comment....but your presumption that I (or anyone) might believe some religious views or not is un-called for.
September 5, 2007 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
On C-SPAN's Washington Journal yesterday there were two reporters as guests, one from The Hill, the other from Roll Call.
A woman right winger called and started her babble by saying "The Democrats controlled the government for 40 years and they blah blah blah...."
I got through some time later and took the reporters to task for not correcting that woman caller. I told them they did a disservice to the public by letting her charge go uncorrected and possibly having someone out in TV land believe this piece of right wing nonsense. I reminded them of 8 years of Reagan who also had a Republican Senate for 6 years.
Interestingly, one of the reporters had to correct himself when he replied (paraphrase) 'The Democrats did control the Congress for 40 years, well, the House of Representatives.' He then went on to tell of Reagan and the Senate and Bush Sr. This guy obviously heard that BS so many times it was branded on his brain.
September 5, 2007 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess all you can do is make their irresponsible reporting public by attacking them publicly, either on radio or on here.
The thing is you have to attack them as soon as you see it.
An added phone call or e-mail to the "reporter" or their employer would also hit home.
I E-mail CNN and MSNBC now and then, and in the past (years) I called CNN in Atlanta once or twice.
The worst thing anyone can do is ignore them.
September 5, 2007 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Do you honestly think that the average person watching that debate who thought Gore won then changed his mind because a pundit said Gore sighed too loudly? I don't.
Give people more credit. They're not mindless sheep. Most people are intelligent enough to form an opinion about the candidates based on inputs from a variety of sources, including but not limited to the media.
Do you think Gore's reputation as an exaggerator was worse than Clinton's reputation as a draft-dodging womanizer in 1992? Yet Clinton managed to overcome far worse in a campaign that involved toppling an incumbent. Gore WAS the incumbent and managed to lose.
The story of the 2000 election begins and ends with the fact that Gore was a lame candidate. No matter how admirable he was as a public servant and as a policy visionary, he just didn't get enough people to want to vote for him. You can argue that's an indictment of the American people, but the Ameican people are what they are. Gore should have realized this and adapted accordingly.
September 5, 2007 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
Seeing "Matalin & Carville" simultaneously does, indeed, cause a queasiness...What 'program director' or whoever decides these things came up with this disgusting duo?
Whatever sense Carville disseminates is eliminated by his wife's nonsense.
September 5, 2007 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
There certainly was not. W's involvement in Arlington Stadium land grab never made it beyond Molly Ivins, yet it contradicted everything (personal property rights) Bush & his noise machine was yapping. Same w/his Harken insider trading dismissal: Bush said both on campaign trail and after assuming office this thing was "fully vetted". It was fully vetted under the rug, both by his daddy and the press: W' was never interviewed by the "investigator", nor was his lawyer.
Then the funeral home cronyism which fully & accurately charactarized his presidency:
a) revolving door of industry lobbyists brought into WH policy positions
b) same (eg: a) writing industry desired legislation, many timer ver batem transcribed from representative industry's house attnys
c) same (a) returning to industry positions after (b) is written into law.
Remember Enron... Ca. "energy crisis"? More of the same. Bush said he "hardly knew" Ken Lay. MSM's response? "ok". (I wonder how Mr. Lay's enjoying his new life, incognito, after his completely Uncorroberated "death".
Bush's NG records disappeared prior to election, just after Card was on site, yet it was several years later before MSM even asked the question. And all we got out of that was Dan Rather's public basting.
Then Abramhoff... absolute evidence he had hotline to Rove and was in/out of WH some 200 times. Yet Bush made this one go away, making records the property of his Secret Service. MSM just kind'a rolled w/that. Sort'a like Cheney's "I'm not part of the Executive Branch."
Gale Norton's Indian-Fraud-Initiative run through Abramhoff, Hossein Safavian (head of WH Federal Appropriations Office) the same... has Junior ever even been asked these questions?
Yet Pelosi's stopover in Syria... cleared by State Dept & supported by Repubs in her entourage, gets roundly accused throughout MSM of "undermining US policy" and such while entirely ignoring and misrepresenting what she had to say and what she did. This incident, BTW, and exact copy of issues addressed in the Vanity Fair article which began this thread.
Then there was Gore's SS "lockbox": it became another running MSM joke, W's "fuzzy math" ruled the day in universe of pundocracy, W' promised to "protect social security" while he subsequently proceeded to do his best to kill it... all with lies, BTW.
"You're doing a great job Brownie" (just thought I'd throw that in.)
I haven't even scratched the surface... hope you get the idea.
As I said, nothing's changed.
Have a good day.
September 5, 2007 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
A point to consider is that any comment here can show up on a Google search. I think many real trolls pretend to be over-the-top loyalists in order to make the main group look bad. This could be used the same way.
I've sometimes searched for material for one of my typical issues and found my own posts.
September 5, 2007 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
can't comment on Senator Larry Craign without bringing up Bill CLinton.
It is telling that they bring up Clinton but not Rudy Guiliani, a serial adulterer on his third marriage. On the contrary whenever Rudy's messy private life is mentioned MSM reporters dismiss it as "people don't care about it". People didn't care about Clinton's private life either but that didn't stop the MSM from feasting on it.
It is all about the "fear factor". MSM reporters fear offending the GOP. Or rather they fear offending the Right Wing Noise Machine and their corporate GOP bosses. There is no comparable force to fear on the Dem side.
Ceci Connolly wouldn't dare to do to Bush what she did to Gore. The Right Wing Noise Machine would have Ratherized her and driven her out of town. She would have been turned into a pariah.
With Gore she had a free shot. What could Gore do to retaliate? Freeze her out? Big deal. Gore didn't have a Noise Machine of his own. He didn't have hundreds of talk radio stations, his own Rush, Ollie, his own FOX, his own WSJ, his own NY Post. He was at the mercy of Connolly, Dowd, Seelye, Fineman.......
September 5, 2007 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is an aspect of what Gramsci called "cultural hegemony" and the theme is "eggheads (read intellectuals, leftists, technocrats, academics, etc) are disconnected from the "common sense" of "the people") It is ingrained through every circuit of cultural production, including the "news".
September 5, 2007 9:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
For every Bush-is-a-likeable-guy story, there was a Bush-as-draft-dodger or Bush-as-alcoholic story.
Where? Certainly not in the MSM.
There were plenty of "Bush found Jesus, gave up drinking, grew up and became a God fearing, straight talkin', humble Texan" stories.
There were plenty of "nobody cares about his draft status because after all evil Bill Clinton is a draft dodger" stories.
Bush's negatives were woven into a positive narrative about finding God, redemption and maturity. They were not fatal character flaws but weaknesses he had overcome through personal transformation.
September 5, 2007 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brad, I'd like to give people credit, but not everyone watches a debate, and not everyone retains his or her judgment over time faced with repeated dissonant messages. They might have left the debate thinking highly of Gore. But if they keep seeing replays of the sighs and hearing how badly Gore did, they start to wonder.
Same thing happened in 2004. Kerry was a better debater than Gore, and he won them handily in polls. But weeks later, everyone remembered him as flip-flopping, as not challenging Bush forcefully, and as having sold out America by submitting foreign policy to a litmus test.
Did anyone remember anything about Edwards except that he insulted Cheney's daughter, and can anyone remember exactly why his kind words for a family's acceptance of their gay daughter, plus his forthright hint of some public hypocrisy, counted as bad? Excuse the media on grounds of public competence all you like, but smears and spin are important because they work. We get our news from the TV, and we like to think we get close to the truth.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
September 5, 2007 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since this is Reed's post after all, it's only fair to remember regulation, an area of his expertise. We've discussed the media biases toward nonsense and the causes, but there are still always those nagging institutional issues of media consolidation and loss of the equal-time rule. I suspect Reed didn't mention them because it's hopeless and because he had something else worth saying, but worth mentioning anyhow.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
September 5, 2007 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Do you honestly think that the average person watching that debate who thought Gore won then changed his mind because a pundit said Gore sighed too loudly?"
I honestly don't think the average person watched the debate but they did hear the soundbite that said Bush won.
September 5, 2007 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The next Democratic Presidential candidate must overcome the institutional bias of the media, and win by enough to trump all legal and extra-legal Republican electoral kibbitzing.
Not a small order.
September 5, 2007 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
if the media weren't so post-modern that they apparently can't (or can't be bothered to) distinguish lies from truth, the public outrage against the Bush administration would have already brought about its downfall.
They pretend to care deeply about politicians lying. Even now they fake outrage over Clinton lying about his sex life.
And yet the same reporters who were so full of faux outrage about a president lying about his sex life can't find any outrage for a president whose lives have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
In 2000 they parsed everything Gore said and pretended to be outraged over minor inconsistencies. And yet they had no outrage over all the lies Bush told during the 2000 election about far more serious subjects, from his record in Texas to the cost of his tax cuts.
Again, it goes back to the fear factor. Attacking Clinton/Gore is a safe move. There is no fear of retaliation. Reporters who accused the Clintons of stealing from S&L, vandalizing the White House are still employed. So are the reporters who accused Gore of inventing Love Canal. These reporters get raises and promotions. Dan Rather is fired from his job. Reporters know they can lose their jobs if they get a story wrong about a GOP politician.
September 5, 2007 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"For every Bush-is-a-likeable-guy story, there was a Bush-as-draft-dodger or Bush-as-alcoholic story."
Show me some dated 2000 [ NOT 2004 ]
And what happened in 2004?
dc
September 5, 2007 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that a lot of bed rock Republicans, and a lot of Bush supporters have been increasingly realizing just how badly they have messed this country up.
Instead of admitting that their support was misplaced and getting on with supporting people and projects that are actually good for this country -
They protect their ego's by trying to find whatever slender and absurd justifications that they can of why they opposed Dole and Kerry.
Just another of the many reasons that journalists and reporters should not take sides. Once they have invested in one side or the other - if they find they are wrong, their vanity will prevent them acknowledging their error.
On the other hand we can gain some satisfaction in realizing the extent of their vanities by the increasing absurdities used to defend them.
September 5, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
My two cents is that I would say they are using the ratings system properly, that they don't want to see this forum fill up with that kind of cheap trick comment, and the like comments it would encourage, which can end up drawing trolls. And it's the individual comments that are rated, not the commenter's commenting history, there's no requirement anywhere that I know of that raters check that. Was that really the most thoughtful thing you could come up with on the topic to share with others? If so, poor you.
September 5, 2007 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, not that one instance, but what happened was that a series of asinine, trivial, exaggerated, negative stories about Gore over a period of time formulated him. It was almost like watching a sculptor (pundits/journalists) forming a statue. The end result was that the public got a caricature of Gore.
Did Gore hurt himself by the way he campaigned, could be, but the fact remains, he was treated shoddily by the media.
September 5, 2007 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Unless/until Dems" retaliate? Who are the Dems? Anybody who cares to join.
So what do we do? We do have people power: start a targetted boycott.
The MSM wonders why they have been losing the attention of the public? Because they have become news free zones.
I live in a highly educated town where the paper is incompetent on local issues and indulgent of right wingers nationally. The town's Republicans are a significant minority but even they have been voting Democratic on the national level for decades.
The paper hasn't been able to figure out why they have lost thousands of readers. They need to cross the list of those who have dropped the paper with the Democratic primary voters list.
September 5, 2007 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
More currently, are they reassessing their coverage of "America's mayor' whose anti-terrorist credentials consist of the fact that his city got bombed, and the measures he had in place to deal with it bombed also?
September 5, 2007 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not that I saw. MSM never asked him about it, and I was watching... closely.
Of course, we since have Rove's emails from that era to TIME/DISNEY/NBC etc. informing them a Bush presidency would support media consolidation. But that couldn't have had anything to do w/it, 'ya think?
- Swift Boat Veterans For (cough) Truth
- and from the lips of Rove to a MSM outlet near you: "Flip-flopper"
etc etc.
Not that Kerry ran anything close to a focused campaign (he was terrible). But compared to Junior he was a saint. But then, Bushco makes Satan look like a step in right direction.
September 5, 2007 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is a famous psychological experiment that was done before they changed the rules: one person is the subject while seven or so are confederates of the researcher. All are shown 4 sticks and asked if a 5th stick is shorter or longer than the others. In fact, it is perceptibly shorter but the conferederates lie and say it is longer. In the vast majority of cases, the subject agrees with the rest and agrees that is is longer.
Also, over time and with age we forget the source of a feeling or fact. So overtime our initial dismissal of an idea because the source is unreliable fades and we just retain the idea.
September 5, 2007 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
So why are smears and spin only coming effectively from one side? What is it about the current system that enables Republicans to smear and spin their way to victory but prevents Democrats from doing the same?
Nothing.
The fact is that both Republicans and Democrats understand how the game is played. Both sides have been around the block enough to know what it takes to move the electorate. The media is a filter, sure. But why is this a surpise? Furthermore, is the media any less of a filter when Democrats win?
Gore and Kerry knew the environment they were playing in. Or in any case they should have. The fact that they lost says little about that environment and much more about them.
September 5, 2007 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but I think integrity has something to do with it. Actually, I'm not sorry at all, it gives me confidence that being a Democrat actually is different. There are certain things which the politicians I admire will not do. That, more than the things they will do gives me some hope for the survival of the Republic.
aMike
September 5, 2007 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I love your term, aMike: reportorial atrocity (ra). I'm barely conscious at 6:45, but I can cite a couple of earlier ra's from yesterday. Around the time I read the Vanity Faire piece on Gore, I read an "attack" on Obama for his dissing the troops in Iraq. Obama's actual words were reported - something along the line of "We are responsible for the deaths of 400K Iraqis" - which the author attacked as if Obama said "US troops in Iraq are responsible for..." Personally I took the collective "We" in Obama's statement to signify the USA, not "the troops." But the author distorted this to signify "the troops" for obvious connotative reasons, and the proceded with a somewhat sensible argument to explain how the troops are not responsible for many civilian deaths in Iraq, and another argument which challenged the numbers. The problem was that these arguments did not address what Obama actually said.
The other was an attack on Whoopi Goldberg, who had the audacity to point out that Dog fighter Vicks came from the south where dog fighting wasn't that uncommon. That slimey rat Abrams, who follows Olberman, was the one I heard bellow out "Whoopi is defending Vicks (slather, slather) on her first appearance as a replacement for Rosie!!!" Well, Whoppie wasn't defending Vicks, folks. But the hilarious part came from Abrams' expert guests. "I am from the south and let me tell you; we love dogs in the south." But then he went on to brag about the severe sentences handed out by southern states in dog fighting trials. Duh!
Personally, I think it is clear evidence of functional illiteracy that these sorts of distortions can exist in media. And that places a lot of the responsibility on the consumers of mass media - us. We eat this shit up, in other words. Everyone loves entertainment, after all. Someone in this thread used the term "post-modern media" and I think it's a good way of looking at it - there's a large body of postmodern theory which holds that the reporter and her/his audience are all part and parcel of the same consumption process - and in fact co-producers of the same crappy process.
But isn't that the beauty of the blog? At last we have a venue to resist!
Neoboho
September 5, 2007 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee,
Fair enough. Yours was the much more reasonable fantasy about Lieberman having Mossad whack Al Gore and controlling US policy "from Tel Aviv." Sorry for being so touchy.
September 5, 2007 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not above calling for retaliation rather than regulation or something else, but I'd love to hear more concrete suggestions. Oleeb appears to suggest the politicians attack the media. Not such an easy solution. For the most part, the GOP politicians try that only when they're caught with a prostitute and end up looking all the more peevish for it. The gambit works for the president when he can combine the power of office and the outrageous claim that anyone who doubts it is a traitor. But mostly the right attack on the media is astroturf, not top down. That combined with media control of its own.
AJM has called for boycotts. Maybe, but it'll be a while before our avoidance of Fox hurts its revenues, most Americans already are starting to tune out news, and I myself would never stop reading the Times. I think of it as part of my being in the reality-based community. The Democrat boycott of Fox debates is a reasonable development, but mostly I'm feeling hopeless.
Oh, and why we can't smear back. aMike is right on moral grounds, but it's also not so easy to pull off if you don't already have enough of the media in your pocket. As noted in other comments here, even Bush's National Guard record got little attention, and then as a scandal about the liberal media! But anyhow the idea that we shouldn't worry about media bias because we can create our own Harold Ford ads is laughable. I can see it now, Romney consorting with Mormon terrorists. I trust Brad's got the production company lined up.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
September 5, 2007 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Regarding Whoopi and Vick
A similar statement simliar to the one made by Dan Abrams about Whoopi was repeated on Fox & Friends this AM (I was passing by a TV tuned to the noise channel). One Fox guy said: "Southerners are going to be offended that Whoopi are calling them dogfighters."
What we have is a media performing reduction to the absurd. The media can't take the time to go into detail about what is being said, they ust go for a snippet of the statement.
PETA had the chance to make a strong statement to African-American youth by getting Black celebrities (Russell Simmons who has done ads for the Humane Society, for example) to state the importance of treating animals with respect. Instead their spokesperson launched an attack on Goldberg, who was not defending Vicks actions. A lost opportunity.
Think media has no impact? Many parents got into the habit of wearing seatbelts and quit smoking when their kids came to them with the message "Don't kill yourself by smoking", or "Don't start the car until your seatbelt is fastened". All part of a media campaign.
Media does matter. Would pre-war acceptance for invading Iraq have been as high without a willing MSM?.
It's not easy to be considered a sheep, but many decisions we make are based on a message we got from the media. The first step in recognizing a problem is realizing that one exists.
September 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
Was (as already noted) intended, mostly, as a poke at Joe Lieberman...with whom I am sorely disappointed, and who has done the Democratic Party more harm than good these past six years.
I feel the same way about others with similar views (to Lieberman's) whether Jewish or otherwise...if you are trying to make something 'anti-Semitic' of that, have at it.
I could just as well make the charge that those who so quickly charge 'anti-Jewish' bias, in each and every case where Likud policies are criticized, are 'anti-American'. Would you think such label unjustified?
September 5, 2007 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not the most thoughtful but absolutely the most honest and direct.
Cheap trick comment?
"See this forum fill up"?
"Drawing trolls"?
"No requirement anywhere"
"Poor me"?
Rich stuff there.
Thank you both for your feedback and Tom's was by far the least "cheap trick"ed, my 2 cents.
How would one fairly characterize those two so-called journalists if not in the manner in which I did? Personal friends maybe?
September 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly! Messages matter. Big time.
My brother refused to wear his seatbelt, saying he was a big guy and it was easier to escape from the car if necessary without one on. And he was a good defensive driver....
When his kids were old enough to understand the seat belt messages, they would beg him to put his on. They didn't want him dead or injured unnecessarily.And he didn't want them crying in the back seat.
Then, being the bro I love, he started demanding everyone else wear theirs!
Actually, because of his kids, and his getting seat belt religion, I got it too....
September 5, 2007 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And I replied to your post with this:
Atrios has made the very pertinent observation that it is not enough that a fact be printed or spoken--once or twice, even more, on the back pages of the NYTimes or WaPo. Or on Democracy Now. Even on blogs. Many true facts about the run-up to the Iraq Invasion were made available before the war began.
But hardly anyone talked about them in the MCM*.
[Most of us were probably yelling at our radios or TV's that February day in '03 as Powell made his now infamous argument for war against Iraq at the UN--there were only two points he made which I didn't know were dead wrong or had strong contrary interpretations. The blogs answered one the next day, pointing out the Arabic translation Powell used was far from accurate. I can't recall the other point. But the alumuminum tubes, the mobile bio labs had all been thoroughly debunked. And never reported effectively, or talked about thoroughly, on the MCM.]
Atrios thinks most people get their knowledge about current events and politics from the "talking about the news" venues, whether broadcast, cable, or written (op-eds, plus opinion, snark, and "analysis" inserted into big name papers' actual news articles. Yes, I mean you Ceci and Kathryn, plus loads of others.).
When the MCM primarily parrots the talking points of one party, it becomes extremely difficult for the message of the other party to become known and understood.
That is what must be fought over and over and over again. It must become seriously embarrassing for an MCM reporter/pundit to appear on a program and just let fly with party talking points, hackneyed and false conclusions, even lies drawn from, say, The Drudge Report. It ought to be job threatening to write or speak such junk.
That will happen only when people such as yourself [Todd Gitlin] who have some access to the MCM outlets actually call MCMers on the games they play with journalism standards. Now, it may be that you will feel you'll lose that access if you speak unkindly, albeiet justly, of those in the MCM.
That is a very real risk. Witness Chris Matthews having an on air hissy fit when Naomi Wolf "spoke out of order." She apparently said something which Matthews considered off topic, and told her so--very sharply. IIRC, he told her she would not be back on if she couldn't stick to the topic--fuzzy on exact wording. I have never heard him do such a thing to a Republican spokesperson. But, then, I stopped watching his show if I can help it.
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media
*MCMers--Members of the MCM
BTW, Jim Lehrer told the host of a program on Wisconsin Public Radio a year or more ago that he did know who Amy Goodman was.... Good indication of how limited the range of information access is for the insiders of the MCM.
September 5, 2007 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please. Are you actually trying to make the case that Democrats are too pure to engage in smear tactics? Give me a break. Smearing your opponent is as old as the country. If you'd rather see Democrats lose than sully themselves with the dirty business of negative campaigning, then you're going to be one frustrated voter.
September 5, 2007 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Start reading Somerby--then begin analyzing what's on your TV, radio, and covered in your paper and its op-ed sections.
Then, please, revisit your current thinking.
Back in early 2000 I was visiting relatives and had not yet discovered blogs and their monitoring of news coverage. The first I heard of Al Gore saying he'd discovered Love Canal was on Jay Leno. Then there was some actual news coverage of the same thing.
I felt sick to my stomach--I knew Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet because I'd actually followed his legislation and knew he was responsible for laying the groundwork to bring the Internet to the public. I knew he held hearings on industrial pollution--and I knew he had not "discovered" Love Canal. I couldn't believe he would make such a claim--but important, highly respected newspapers published articles that said he had done so. And their articles were picked up and talked about.
I wondered if I could work for him, given this "claim" by him. Which, as we now know, was not his claim at all--simply two reporters' not really listening, then not wanting to admit to their error. Plus, having him say he discovered Love Canal fit into their narrative of the serial exaggerator, liar, overly ambitious, too political politician.
I was back home, cross country skiing and listening to This American Life when the story of Al Gore and the class of students came on. In their own words, the teacher and students told what happened and in Gore's own words, on the video the class had made of his appearance in their classroom, it was irrefutable that Gore never said he "discovered" Love Canal. What he had said is that a young student had written to him about Love Canal and that became his impetus to look into that kind of ground water pollution and then hold hearings. He said Love Canal started it all.
I was so relieved! I could now work for the person I thought would be the best president with full commitment, not feeling perhaps there were ugly sides to this man.
It was the objective of the RNC and Bush campaign to highlight anything which drives down enthusiasm for Gore or any other Dem. If it required leaving out words or shading or misleading, that is a political decision. It is a political weapon.
It should not be the objective of the MCM* to do the same thing. The MCMers* should not be doing the work of any political party.
But they have been doing that. This year, Edwards' numbers, imho, have been stymied by the work of the MCM using stories which have a glimmer of truth but are not at all despositive.
As Somerby points out, the MCM sees "character" as of the utmost importance when examining Democratic candidates. Just this past week, the WaPo made a huge issue of one of Edwards' donors, Feiger, being indicted for some kind of donations laundering. Edwards did not know and could not have known. He was no part of the indictment. The article threw in some campaign donations issues for Hillary (Hsu) and something for Obama, iirc.
Republicans were not mentioned, even tho' a state campaign chairman for Romney had just been indicted and other high placed leadership for other candidates had been forced to step down due to other illegal actions.
Wonder why only Dems were focused on?
Over the weekend, the WaPo had an editorial attacking Edwards for the Feiger thing.
Gee--wonder why....
So, go to DailyHowler.com (no caps necessary). Keep reading. Check the archives. See if you can figure out why the MCMers tend to attack mostly Dems. If you do, please let me know, bcz I surely haven't figured it out.
BTW, the story about Gore and Love Canal also pointed out that the MCM had developed a narrative about Poppy Bush--and we all know that one: That he saw a grocery store scanner and was all agog, as if he'd never seen one. Press was all over that one, followed by the comics. It fit the narrative.
Except...it wasn't accurate! What Bush remarked on was a new type of scanner which did things which had not been available previously. But that didn't fit the narrative, so the press just changed the facts to fit the story.
I feel guilty every time I think about that, bcz I thought it did sum up Bush I. I joked about it. There were plenty of reasons to not have his as president--his knowledge of grocery scanners was not one of them. But it's now "history," just as the one about Al Gore "inventing" the Internet. (I think Frank Rich or Maureen Dowd had something to do with spreading that meme.)
*MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media
*MCMers--Members of MCM
September 5, 2007 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes indeed, media matters. I think the clincher was that episode that completely quashed Howard Dean's presidential bid - the "hysteria" fluke. A trick of technology, the directional mike. But you can't write it off as just bad reporting - the news people who were there knew what the context was, and they chose to misrepresent it.
Neoboho
September 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm implying that I'm too pure to indulge in smear tactics. I'm a democrat, ergo, at least some democrats are too pure to indulge in smear tactics. I'm far more frustrated with cynics that cry to be given breaks than I am with being a frustrated voter.
I am willing to tell the truth as I see it, and document the truth as I know it. Am I willing to smear? Not on your tintype. I am unwilling to become the beast I fight.
aMike
September 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Effective instructions on how to deal with negative campaigning using the media are easily found by this layperson. I think the blogosphere is going to make it worse, with google bombs, YouTube, Firedoglake-type gangs digging up any dirt or negative meme they can find on an opponent, and Jon-Stewart/Maureen-Dowd/Saturday-Night-Live-writer wannabes branding candidates early on with derisive humor. Eventually there might be so much competing noise that no one will buy into those images anymore, and people will use their own judgment of a candidate from a debate or similar, but my hopes are very low for that in near term.
How many defenders of Gore on this thread participated in negative campaigning by making derisive jokes about his v.p. candidate Joe Lieberman during his Senate campaign?
One of the reasons I would love to see Gore run now is that he is much more skilled now in this, much much more, writing books on it, making movies, countering spin.
Edit to add an example: Obama just tried to refuse a branding applied to him by the "Obama girl" YouTube video, saying it had disturbed his kids.
September 5, 2007 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee,
This fantasy about Lieberman having Gore whaked by Mossad and handing over US foreign policy to "Tel Aviv" (I still don't really know what that means as the city routinely votes Labor, not Likud, anyway) is entirely your own load. So, knock yourself out, SeeDee, and label me "anti-American" to your little heart's content.
September 5, 2007 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi John and everyone else.
One thing you can do is drop in to Media Matters for America and sign up for media updates.
The website is interesting and well designed--(one can't spend 25 hours (sic) a day at TPM anyhow), and the real time documenting of media atrocities gives ordinary citizens a chance for rapid response. One can also contact them about local stories, helping by being additional media watchdogs.
One can join in the action campaigns writing media and more importantly, perhaps, sponsors on media to complain when bias against liberals and progressives appears. The site offers tips about how to do this effectively.
One can also drop a penny in the bucket to support this advertising free website. (I'm never asked to out-dance anyone over there) <grin></grin>
aMike
September 5, 2007 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that's because Democrats are the feminized party in our little gendered political model, and are therefore expected to be pure of heart, civilized, compassionate, forgiving, open-minded, blah blah blah...
Or, to put it another way, Democrats have to be twice as competent to get half the credit, and whenever they get fed up enough to hit back, they're being irrational & offensive. Grrr.
September 5, 2007 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plenty of true things can't be said in polite company, e.g. which woman is prettier or how the food tastes.
September 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell is he talking about? Obscure generalities of reporting? Mentions no one, relates nothing. What'd I miss?
September 5, 2007 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can also go after their money. The fact that news reporting is now expected to turn a profit like everyone else makes the news media more vulnerable than ever before to pressure on their advertisers. This is a tactic that the right wing, particularly cultural conservatives, have been employing with a lot of success over the past decade or so and the left has had some more recent successes with this approach as well. Given the networking power of the progressive blogosphere, there's simply no reason the MSM shouldn't learn to fear our side every bit as much as they do James Dobson and his ilk.
September 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm totally with gonzone on this. Too many on the left seem to nurture a delicate sense of propriety that you remain polite while your ideological carotid artery is being cut. In no way am I advocating that we lower ourselves to the level of brazen lying and intellectual dishonesty that now characterizes the extreme right. But we sure as hell should've stopped being genteel in our arguments a very long time ago.
September 5, 2007 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it wasn't even an argument. It was just adding name calling to someone else's argument, very pure and very simple. No added content, just inflammatories. There are plenty of sites that have been ruined for any decent use by grown-ups by not holding the line at the name-calling game.
September 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
"These people really are not worth the powder to blow them up."
Oh yeah they are....
September 5, 2007 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
JohnW-- This is what MediaMatters.org has been trying to do since it's inception. I give them (modest) financial support and I encourage others to do the same.
September 5, 2007 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) Absolutely Maureen Dowd deserves a big chunk of the blame for dumbing journalism down, or at least making it more superficial.
2) I remember that Social Security comment. I thought the election was over. That was the last time I misoverestimated the American electorate.
3) The debates were definitely the one aspect of the 2000 debacle that Gore and his team bear some of the blame for. When the Bush campaign was "playing the expectations game"--"We know this is going to be tough for little old Texas George!"--they didn't respond at all. I think it was before the first debate that the Atlantic Monthly (under the control of the psychotic Michael Kelly, may he rest in peace and find enlightenment as to how wasted and destructive the last years of his professional life were) ran that cover of Gore as a vampire. That should have told them right then what the MSM spin would be.
September 5, 2007 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I am unwilling to become the beast I fight."
Who's saying you have to?
This mindset seems to be a congenital character flaw for way too many on the left, and I fear it will ultimately be our collective undoing in the political arena. It is mind boggling the number of people I've talked with about fighting back against the extreme right who whine that they're not going to stoop to that level. I patiently try to explain that it doesn't have to be that way; that we don't have to lie and be like Malkin, Coulter, Rush, et. al., because we really do have the truth on our side. We just have to be loudly vocal, unafraid to immediately counter the B.S., and challenge them at the least opportunity. BUT WE MUST SPEAK UP!!! Being angry and confrontational *DOES NOT* mean that you've become the beast you're fighting.
Sadly, and frustratingly for me, very few seem to get it. For those who stubbornly cling to the misguided belief that being the proverbial stoic Christian in the cage of raging lions is going to "git 'er done", then you're going to die a miserable, albeit symbolic, death at every election for the rest of your pathetic wimpy life.
This naivete is galling in the extreme.
September 5, 2007 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXACTLY!!!!!
SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
~bowing down before Oleeb~
September 5, 2007 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
One can be the antithesis of genteel without resorting to cliches and the schoolyard insult. Few, for example, can come to the standard of John Randolph of Roanoke toward an opponent: "He shines and stinks, like a rotten mackerel by moonlight."
I do not preclude the artful use of profanity. A young member of Parliament was told by his party seniors that he had crossed a line in referring to Churchill, who was obviously annoyed by the comment. The party leaders bade the young politician to call upon Winston and apologize.
Hat in hand, the new MP arrived at Churchill's residence, and was duly announced. Churchill, however, was enthroned in the smallest room of the house when notified of the caller. He replied, "He shall have to wait. I can only take one shit at a time."
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
September 5, 2007 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
What should Gore's campaign share some blame for? They basically won the election, certainly the popular vote. The people chose the correct person; it was the Supreme Court that made Bush our new King, or is that Dictator.
September 5, 2007 10:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You nailed it.
September 6, 2007 5:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent idea.
September 6, 2007 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Defiance,
That Media Matters is scoring points is proven by how the right, especially FOX, attacks them.
David Brock does an admirable job.
September 6, 2007 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I doubt that is is "nothing", Brad. Early on in the development of the "New Right" a concerted effort was designed and implemented to control media for political advantage. We know about all the vanity press academic projects such as "The Bell Curve" but less known is that fact right wing think tanks developed and funded cadres of "experts" who were on stand-by to be used by media outlets, and distributed catalogs of "expertise" to boadcasters. So you're on a news crew, busting your buns to get ready for the evening news broadcast, and the producer asks you to find an expert to talk on, say, the poor performance of students in inner-city schools. The course of least resistance is to open the catalog of experts from say, Manhattan Institute, pick up the phone, and secure the commitment.
Deep strategic thinkers on the left probably know about this, but they just don't have the bucks to duplicate the program.
Neoboho
September 6, 2007 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
They should be cut off from any access to any member of the Democratic party.
That means you, Maureen Dowd of the N.Y. Times, so obviously tired of writing about important matters such as the disastrous Bush/Cheney Administration and Iraq War, who is up to the same BS once again, returning to her usual catty, self-loathing self. Apparently she learned nothing from 8 years of Bush/Cheney.
September 6, 2007 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is just not a credible analysis. All those right-wing think tanks were in part a response to the (perceived) left-wing tilt of academia and the existing think tanks like Brookings that were more "objective" in their policy analysis. Even if you think that calling them "left-leaning" is bullshit, these other pockets of expertise did not disappear. There are still plenty of left-leaning experts on TV.
What the left lacks are so-called "policy entrepreneurs". These are the folks who try to sell new ideas to politicians and, of course, the public. The best known of these guys are the supply-siders.
September 6, 2007 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it's not a credible analysis - not an analysis at all, in fact. It's just something I read about, and I've forgotten the source. But it's relatively old news...I think David Brock's The Republican Noise Machine would provide you with an analysis and a history (off the top of my head).
My understanding is that a disproportionate number of right leaning pundits crop up on your tv screen. If you want to call them policy entrepreneurs, that's ok with me.
Neoboho
September 6, 2007 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you see the link behind the word smear? And if you saw it, did you bother following it? If you didn't here it is again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign. Let let me quote a small, but appropriate part:
Now you may believe that one can indulge in this and keep one's integrity. Sorry, I do not. IF that makes me a wimp and pathetic, so be it. And I'm sorry you're so easily galled. But I ask you this. Can you, in all conscience, indulge in the kind of behavior indicated by the paragraph above and expect even your friends to trust anything you say? I can't.
I can be fully confrontational. I'm confronting you here. I can be angry too, and I suppose I am, though I try to reserve my anger for things of greater substance than the response you've given here.
In my anger and throughout my confrontation...
I have, and do, suggest that you either assume that everything negative is a smear and that to not smear is to play nice nice, or you assume that saying anything whether true, or not, is fair game in a political confrontation. There is no other way, no logic system imaginable, to parse your statement in conjunction with mine than to read it as saying that the only way to be angry and confrontational is to smear. Either that, or you assumed I don't choose my words with care.
If an angry truth expressed with eloquent anger can't win the contest, then perhaps I don't deserve to win. The truth is never, by definition, a smear. Truth is an absolute defense against libel. However, there is no way I can lie without becoming a liar, and a liar is a beast. So, I stand behind what I say, pathetic, wimpy, or not.
aMike
September 6, 2007 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's high time to change the political situation. Democrats need to show more backbone and hit back hard even if it offends the Beltway pundits and upholders of conventional wisdom.
A good place to start is by calling General Petraeus a liar if he says that there has been a 75% decrease in violence.
September 6, 2007 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you're "grownup" and I'm not, eh? And you've haven't been name calling in my direction? No casting of not so clever aspersions at me? Mirror, meet name caller.
What you define as "name calling" was meant in a serious way. Those poor excuses for human beings deserve all the scorn I can heap upon their heads. I will not apologize for my feelings of outrage nor will I submit to your more delicate sensibilities of what is acceptable discourse on this weblog. Sorry if my coarse, blue collar pedestrian language is unfit in the company of an art appraiser but there you have it. Scold if you will, mark me incorrectly as a troll if you feel you must, but realize who is incorrect here please.
September 7, 2007 6:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
My apologies, I did not realize that a weblog forum on politics was considered polite company Tom. :-) But if you say so ... And thanks for being civil in your criticisms.
September 7, 2007 6:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hit piece on Gore?!!! Did the author of this posting and I read the same article? I just finished reading the entire seven page piece and it was hardly a hit piece. Time after time the author of the Vanity Fair piece takes to task the media who spread the lies about Gore. How on earth can Mr. Hundt consider this a hit piece? It defends Gore against those past media lies that damaged Gore ireperably. Read the article again, Mr. Hundt.
September 7, 2007 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
"There are still plenty of left-leaning experts on TV."
Really? Where? And by whose definition?
September 7, 2007 6:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
And in management from my experiences.
September 7, 2007 6:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
gonzone,
We don't cotton to no frigging, name-calling, poopyheads here who don't agree with us.
Best, Terry
September 7, 2007 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink