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Anne-Marie’s book is written from the heart as well as the head. That is to be commended in itself. I had a preview of how inspiring her message can be at a panel we did together at Duke in Fall 2005. Her arguments and the conviction with which she makes them resonated quite powerfully with the students and others there. Clearly lots of people do believe that values matter and are looking for a sense of what is, has been and could be again right about America and our role in the world.

Two questions on my mind as I wrestle with these challenges:

Even leaving the Bush foreign policy out of it, just how consistent has our foreign policy been with its espoused values? Cold War foreign policy comes out mostly yes in the European theatre, but mostly no in the Third World. Not perfect viz Eastern Europe (Hungary 1956, for example), but we truly did do a huge amount to ultimately help establish freedom and democracy there. The Lech Walesas and Vaclav Havels are testimony to such. But for so much of the Cold War in so much of the Third World we opted for an “ABC” definition of democracy – “anybody but communists.” And in that grouping we lumped many a nationalist and moderate socialist.

A tough but overall fair perspective on this is in The Global Cold War (2006 Bancroft Prize winner) by Professor Arne Westad, a Norwegian historian who is on the faculty at the London School of Economics and Political Science. Among other things one gets a sense for how many of the threats and problems in today’s world come from so-called Cold War Third World successes (e.g., Afghanistan, Zaire-Congo) as well as failures (Iran, Pakistan) --- and in all of which democratic values were hard to find in US policy Democratic and Republican alike.

Going back further in history I do come out similar to David Rieff on U.S.-Latin American relations. The numerous military interventions of the late 19th and early 20th centuries including many by Woodrow Wilson, the Panama Canal “stole it fair and square”, and other examples give pause.

Overall the United States may well be truer to democratic values than other major powers are and have been, but the judgment is much less about whether we do better than others than whether we live up to the claims we make for ourselves. The standard is not purity: choices always have to be made among priorities, and the perfect can’t become the enemy of the good. But the greater the claimed centrality of democracy as a criterion and value, the greater the expectation generated that this will be manifested in actual policy choices and priorities.

A second question is over the universality of our values and how much of a model the particular approach to democracy that we embody is for others? Yes, we stand for self-government, rule of law, and individual liberty. When juxtaposed against tyranny and repression, these most surely have universality. But our own particular version of democracy is structured according to the principle of “that government is best which governs least.” That principle reflects our history and the principal motivations of our Founders. But for countries with mass poverty, endemic injustice, and other pressing human needs --- that is to say, much of the world today --- political legitimacy is dependent on performance not just process; i.e., whether government is addressing fundamental issues of societal equity and justice. For them that government is best which governs best. This does not include a Pinochet, no matter how high the economic growth rates: there is nothing good about governance that repressive. But it does mean that democracy cannot just be about freedom from; it also has to be about the capacity to.

One can see why the American model is not as attractive as we may think. Some of it is Bush-induced (no need to delineate for TPM readers). But much runs deeper as a philosophy of the role of government in society. And in terms of policy manifestations in today´s world, how much of a model are we? A health care system which spends more but gets less overall while also leaving many more out --- for which responsibility is not just bipartisan but systemic. The choke-hold of powerful interest groups as with politicians of both parties still dancing around gun control even in the wake of the April 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. Indeed the whole “K Street” culture cultivated by both parties and both branches gives lobbying a pervasiveness that makes the motto of “by, of and for the people” less and less credible. K Street was not what Alexis de Tocqueville had in mind in praising associations. It was, though, what James Madison warned about in Federalist #10 on the dangers of “factions.” And as our campaign consultants have been taking their mastery of political manipulation global , we see much emulation. But admiration? The corrosiveness of our public discourse, from the culture wars to the Iraq war in which dissent is equated with disloyalty, spews forth vitriol more than it models democratic vibrancy.

None of these are policies and practices that Anne-Marie defends. Many are ones she argues to change. But their scope and depth are part of why I see some validity but also lots of questions in our claim to universality. So thanks to The Idea That Is America for helpfully spurring two debates. How important are values to American foreign policy and to our role in the world? Not the simplistic realism-idealism debate that has ebbed and waned in reaction to neo-conservatism, but one more rooted in the complexity of drivers of foreign policy and society writ large as Anne-Marie’s treatment is. And to the extent that values are important, as I agree that they are, how much of an asset are they to American foreign policy going forward? I think they can be but see the key to our providing an inspiring and embracing vision as acknowledging our own struggles with core values (Bush years but also historically) and re-thinking some of them to better fit a global age, for us as well as for others.


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Bruce

What is the standard you are using?

If some colonial Americans saw the New World as the "new Shining City on the Hill" others saw it as a place to get a new start and enrich themselves even at the expense of others who were in the way.

Growing up it was appalling to watch the U.S. cozy up to every "anti-Communist" dictator and thug in Latin America and Asia. Perhaps the Soviet Union never needed to be feared as it was but could you imagine an American leader really making policy on that basis? The goal of supporting the thugs was to deafeat the great danger of the Soviets. The policy may have been misguided and even morally questionable but was in really so suprising.

If there is a value that Americans need constant reminding of is valour. That there are more important things that physical safety. The Founders had they lost the Revolution might very well have been hung. Everytime Americans have been made afraid, after the WWI and the Palmer raids, Pearl Harbor and the Japanese Interment Camps and currently the use of fear to drive policy after policy, bad things have happened.

It seems that academics cannot resist holding up America to a standard that no nation in history has ever met. Normal Americans know their is a threat to their lives and they want to be made safe, whether from Al Qaeda or illegal immigrants. Might it help the debate to both emphasize the long term values that are meant to be represented in the Flag and the documents we venerate and the ways appeals to fear lead us astray?

Daniel A. Greenbaum

Two topics:  what we represent to others, and what we represent to ourselves. On the first, it's probably truer to say that there's a mixed perception of America abroad. It's seen as powerful, and that's seen as both scary and something that ought to deliver on its power. It's seen as prosperous and, well, sure, democratic, and that's seen as an implicit promise, too, that can foster a sense of betrayal. Thus you get the interviews on the streets in other countries that call the U.S. a bigger threat to world peace than almost anything, and you get the polls in Iraq saying we should leave, and yet you also get the interviews on the street there demanding why we haven't done something to improve their lives.  Anticipating such things alone would have kept us from invading (and do not support our being there forever). 

On what we represent to ourselves, we're of course entitled to our ideals, and it's not inconsistent to say we therefore think that they're best for others, too, but not to impose them on others by force. It'd be an odd kind of cultural relativism that did not allow us to pursue our own ideals, too. It's another reason to pursue them consistently, which is what liberal hawks with the contradictions between idealism and imperialism built into their very premises, can't promise. 

Slaughter's basic point is that there's tension between the two representations, and this may require us to examine and articulate our values better, then either give up on them or, since maybe we can't, be prepared to deal with the consequences of inflicting them on others. I'm saying that the representations are distinct and must be analyzed as distinct, but the contradictory implications for national policy add up to false choices.

Take it just with the cynical claim of having to take out Saddam Hussein. Was he the top dictator in the world? Did taking him out make anyone freer, in the sense that Iraqis can now control their futures or indeed think they have a future?  Did it make Americans freer?

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

We say America meaning the United States distinct from the rest of America. I got a chuckle that at least some folks in Helsinki use Usaians - vacations in the Carribean and the American tropics is very popular among Finns. But hell, saying "United States people" is pretty clunky. But other Americans resent this practice: We are Americans too! sez the Mexican. We think it's pretty innocent saying I am American, especially with the dreadful alternatives. Gringo, Yankee,.. what are the others? But it's just that we don't sense the mechanisms as other Americans do - the old medieval allegory of hierarchy. The ruling term America perches over the subtypes latin america, central and south america, north america (canada,us, & mexico).  Other Americans think we're arrogant, claiming "America" for ourselves.

That's just an example - I don't think values and ideals can be discussed productively without assessing language and how we use it.   Think of the ambiguities of the term "art" and how debating the meaning of it never resolves much, if anything.  And universality gets us into an even deeper morass of ambiguities and misapprehensions.  It's the kind of thing that requires a broad consensus on the very methodology we would use in order to say meaningful things about terms that we use in speech that have never had explicit meaning since they appeared in natural language.

<>It methodolgy itself that may the the great obstacle to a unitary understanding of values and ideals.  A huge chunk of the twentieth century cultural discourse has been exhausted on the "like begets like" inference, brought to us in the form of coffe table editions of Jungian Psychology, Joseph Campbell Mythology, and even Star Wars.  The methodoligical underpinning is to overdetermine the similarities of cultures while repressing the differences.  How in the hell can we make the remarkable statement that ideal x is universal when all we really know about culture x,y and z had produced mythologies about twins? You know, it was very profound when Levi-Strauss observed that in the so-called old world myths, the twins were always competitive, and in the so-called new world cooperative. It is more profound, I think, that few people are aware of this difference - now some 70 years after Levi-Strauss cited this fact. 

<>I say we should at least try to define these values and ideals for ourselves before projecting them on all humanity.  All that have been cited - democracy, liberty, self-determination, property and so on have complex contexts that are historical and conditional.  Thus understanding them ourselves means work - and we tend to be linguistically lazy and often fearful to subject our own deeply personal use of language to any sort of critrical analysis. 

Neoboho

neoboho, for years I have tried never to use "America" when I mean USA. When I'm feeling particularly mean and finding "US citizen" too long, I use "USian".

I think the etymology for USian goes back a bit and has the advantage of rolling off the tongue easier than USAian.

Try either some time. There will be a pause while they digest the word.

Perish the thought America not synonymous with USA. Don't you wear the Stars and Stripes?

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