Paris Heads Back to Jail
I make a concerted effort not to know anything about Paris Hilton's life, but MSNBC and CNN run all day in front of me so for the last two days I haven't had much of a choice. And let me tell you, it's been a roller coaster of emotion. I found myself genuinely outraged yesterday at her release. I could tolerate it when she just embodied a crass element in our culture that admires, or is at least entertained by, blatant disregard for any form of personal or social responsibility. But this was just too much.
Luckily, there is justice in this crazy world, my friends. Paris is heading back to jail. And hopefully I can once again ignore her.
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Thank God for Paris Hilton -- poster child for the estate tax.
June 8, 2007 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Though, I have to admit... it was a first DWI offense, right? Did she have a prior record? Because I know people with one DWI offense and it's always been fines, maybe a temporary driving suspension and education classes or AA.
You know what? I really don't want to start an argument about this. I take it back!
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
June 8, 2007 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason I read this blog is for news about Paris Hilton, the hotel in Paris in which all sorts of strangers sleep.
Oops! Wrong blog . . .
June 8, 2007 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember that One Night In Pa--
Oops, me too. Where's Wonkette?
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
June 8, 2007 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely true, but the girl was driving with a suspended license, and got caught more than once.
Which takes some trying, e.g. making a traffic violation. I recall having a license suspended due to the surfeit of speeding tickets, and for six months I had to suffer without a driver license, which was a bother, as I moved to a new job, where they mailed my passport back to my previous address, so I was without any ID, so telephone company did not want to talk with me etc. etc. And I did not drive.
Paris could hire an unemployed teenager to drive her around.
June 8, 2007 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oliver Willis has a link to a story about the case of a missing Miami-Dade college student whose story was bumped by MSNBC to clear the way for Paris Hilton coverage
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/crime_scene/2007/06/paris.html
John Edwards had the best response, when asked about Paris Hilton, he reminded us the bigger issue, disparities in education, health care, etc.
If Paris Hilton received treatment far different from that of other DUI drivers who are caught after being told not to drive, then the sheriff has added to unequal justice. I haven't followed the story closely enough to know whether her initial sentence was the norm, less, or more than other DUIs found driving.
June 8, 2007 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Celebrity is a pretty horrible thing.
Paris Hilton and other celebrities are pseudo-parents/leaders for primates biologically programmed to seek out and follow the primate with the most status. She's a "queen-bee" for the hive-mind. Whether she's convicted of crimes hardly matters. Her continued fame is guaranteed so long as her face is on TV and treated with adoration, and there are large numbers of nearly unconscious TV viewers.
Studies of small children have shown they'll instinctively follow whomever is perceived to have the most status, even from wholly superficial and manufactured indicators in controlled experiments. If you put small children in a room with someone, so long as a critical number of other people in the room look at that person adoringly, the child will immediately take the cue.
That instinct never evolved to cope with tribes much larger than perhaps hundreds (which is the maximum number of people an individual brain can store detailed and personal information on) and the television age and pseudo-tribes of hundreds of millions, or billions of people, badly abuses the instinct.
The Beatles for example were one of the first Television "super bands" to take advantage of this celebrity instinct. Remember all those screaming fans, many overcome with love and adoration for the Beatles? They had never seen a television spectacle like the Beatles and were nearly defenseless. The Church certainly understands the value of icons and spectacle, but the Beatles were bigger than God in many ways at that moment.
Bush also misuses that instinct to great effect in allowing only adoring audiences for TV, which subconsciously tells viewers he's an adored leader of personality cult, regardless of his record and whatever he may say.
Point being, there is little to nothing rational about Hilton's celebrity, celebrity in general, and much of politics and punditry these days. Her fans, and much of the public, are barely conscious, which is also a general problem with our democracy as de Toquville predicted, and is largely an unfortunate byproduct of scale beyond what we're biologically evolved to cope with efficiently.
June 8, 2007 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
If a normal person cracked up in jail and the jailer decided it was in the best interests of everyone to send them home, would the judge have ordered them back in? This is more complex than the way it's being portrayed, and why someone should get angry because a complete stranger in circumstances they know very little of went nuts in jail, was sent home on house arrest, and then was ordered back by a judge is something of a mystery to me.
Here's another question that bears asking: if Hilton had hurt herself in there, or come out of jail telling horrible tales of how she was held on suicide watch and so on, how would people feel then? Hilton has a gigantic bully pulpit from which to spin tales and earn sympathy -- and an angry backlash against those mean jailers. The public, eager to get mad at the jailers for granting her "special treatment," could just as easily get mad at the jailers for not granting her special treatment, once she got out and her publicists went to work. The sheriff was in a difficult position. The fact is, she is not a normal person, and dealing with her inevitably leads to problems, problems neither you nor I, nor almost anybody else, can understand as well as that sheriff.
Crooked cops, crooked lawyers, crooked judges, crooked politicians, crooked doctors, crooked scientists, crooked clergymen -- but no crooked journalists. An amazing record for an amazing class of people.
June 8, 2007 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Best line I've ever heard (from a lawyer):
"Fill in name of wealthy miscreant" is a walking excuse for a 100 percent estate tax.
June 8, 2007 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think this might have been a second offense. (There's a timeline here, but it's a little unclear which court appearances are for separate offenses.)
The first offense last September, as I understand it, did result in a fine of a few hundred dollars and a suspension of her license. I believe those were the charges she pleaded not guilty to on January 9th.
On January 15th, the California Highway Patrol pulled her over and discovered she was driving with a suspended license. They made her sign an acknowledgement of the suspension. It's not clear to me just what caused the patrol to pull her over in the first place, but on January 22nd, she pleaded no contest to "a reduced charge of alcohol-related reckless driving," was fined $1500, put on 3 years' probation, and ordered to attend an alcohol education class.
On February 27th, she was stopped again, this time for speeding and for driving without her headlights on (it was 11:00 at night), and police again discover she is driving on a suspended license -- it had originally been suspended through March -- and the acknowledgement she signed in January is found in the glove compartment.
By April, she had still not enrolled in the alcohol education class she had been required to attend by sometime in February, and she was late getting to court on one of her court dates, so I'm not surprised that the judge decided he needed to get strict to make her understand that the court was to be taken seriously. (It probably did not help that her mother made it quite plain they did NOT take it seriously.)
Good for the judge for sending her back to the pokey.
June 8, 2007 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Scooter Libby. There goes his "Mommy, mommy" defense...
June 8, 2007 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure Paris will come through this experience with a new, socially conscious attitude.
Maybe adopt a baby or two...
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
June 8, 2007 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Umm... last time I checked, jail was supposed to be psychologically difficult. The whole "loss of freedom" thing is designed as punishment.
Three days is about the point at summer camp where you think you're going to die from homesickness. Then you get over it and adapt (cf Camp Granada).
Going to jail is a very stressful experience, even if you're in the "celebrity wing" instead of general population. But it's designed to be that way, so the fact she was feeling bad merits no sympathy from me. Of course, three days is about where the worst of drug withdrawal kicks in (or so I hear...), so it's possible there was more going on.
But people are kept in jail suffering with illness and withdrawal all the time. You can argue that it's not right, but funny how the concern first appears when it's a rich celebrity being discussed.
June 8, 2007 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's interesting is that all sorts of TV watchers are writing in that they're sick to death of Paris, could care less about her fate, are tuning out the MSM who persist in covering her...and the MSM, it would seem, could care less? What does it mean that the MSM continues to bombard our airwaves with news that literally turns people off.
It doesn't make sense. Or does it?
June 8, 2007 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Luigi Vampa said:
If a normal person cracked up in jail and the jailer decided it was in the best interests of everyone to send them home,[...]
Dahlink, if it were up to the jailer to release prisoners every time they "cracked", we'd have a lot of empty prisons. Which, the last time I looked, wasn't a problem at all, quite the reverse.
It's for the *judge* to decide how and where a person is to serve a term.
June 8, 2007 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think sending her back is a mockery of a travesty of a sham of a charade of an injustice. Can't Bush pardon her?
June 8, 2007 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about you, but where I work everyone talked about nothing but Paris, Paris, Paris.
Whatever people say they want to watch, someone is watching this stuff, and talking about it, just like people watch everything having to do with her. That's why she got such a hard sentence in the first place, it's why she got out, and it's why she was thrown back in. That people would get angry about it is a symptom of the problem itself, of fixation with celebrities. Whatever happens, or doesn't happen, to Paris Hilton will have abolutley no real effect on 99.9999% of the population, and yet, people care anyway, waste their time and energy getting upset about Paris Hilton's fate, pretend that what happens to Paris Hilton is somehow a comment on our justice system, when the fact that people notice at all is a judgment on ourselves.
Crooked cops, crooked lawyers, crooked judges, crooked politicians, crooked doctors, crooked scientists, crooked clergymen -- but no crooked journalists. An amazing record for an amazing class of people.
June 8, 2007 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But perhaps you are missing the point. Paris Hilton is not the kid that went to summer camp. When Paris Hilton was born, she was immediately worth some 500 million dollars. For her to wind up doing some time in jail is very different than for you and I having to go through the same process. That's not to excuse her behavior, but it is to understand her mind.
June 8, 2007 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's all the more reason for Paris to go to jail. She needs this experience more than the rest of us. She needs someone to finally tell her, "no, you can not always get what you want". Or, "no, mommy and daddy can not always fix your mistakes".
Driving drunk is a serious offense. At that point, Paris was a danger to herself and others. She could have literally killed someone. All the money in the world can't bring someone back from the dead.
Basically, she needs someone to tell her that she is not any better than the rest of humanity and that she needs to stop acting recklessly and start acting responsibly. Part of that is actually paying attention to what judges and lawyers say. When they say you can't drive, you need to pay special attention and not just pass that off on your assistant. YOU need to take it seriously!
June 8, 2007 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Worse, Paris could have hired a fleet of limos and drivers to respond to her beck and call 24 hours a day.
Worse still, she instead decided not to use a limo when going out to party on the town while getting shitfaced drunk.
Worse yet, she knows that paparazzi follow her every move and would record her driving drunk and could notify the police.
Paris deserves every second spent in that jail. She was literally a danger to herself and others. But, no one around her has done anything to effectively slow her down.
She needs to learn that money, mommy, daddy, connections, fame, and power can not solve every problem. What if she actually did kill someone? She needs to learn that acting recklessly has real consequences and that acting responsibly is necessary, even if it means listening to boring judges and lawyers.
June 8, 2007 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Patience. Dershowitz is on the case.
June 8, 2007 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
That would be wonderful.
Try to understand I am a liberal and therefore prefer libraries and universities to prisons that so many of you wingers love.
If people read books anymore and studied on things, they would know that torture is not a good thing whether it is a Paris Hilton or an aging streetwalker. Someone thought psychological stress was a mighty fine thing.
Be mighty fine if everybody was equal, if all women were young and beautiful and rich. Be mighty nice for us men.
Be nice if Paris Hilton was treated like everyone else but she is not, especially when so many want to do her harm here.
This is an awful thread.
I feel like I was drawn to some particularly atrocious pornography.
We all have our weaknesses I suppose but not all of us are exposed in broad daylight.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 2:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
She wanted to go to jail for the fame. She's an exhibitionist.
She has a private cell in a section reserved for special people, so it's not exactly going to be gang violence and such.
Fame she can't buy directly, but she can use her wealth to rig circumstances that keep her in the media. And suckers just eat it up.
If our "news" media was about news it would completely stop covering her. But of course it's really just selling soap, and Hilton sells. Why? Because look at all the strange fascination people have with her. If people want to elevate the media, one of the best things they could do is start taking triviality seriously, and tell the MSM to knock it off. Not to be sanctimonious, but the amount of time devoted to these stories when actual newsworthy stories go neglected, it's beyond a good joke and a few laughs, it's way out of hand.
There is almost no peer pressure to be an informed responsible citizen. Was it ever better? I don't know. But it needs improving.
There are tens of millions of Americans who voted for Bush, thought Saddam did 9/11, and when you ask them if they feel any responsibility to be informed, will say "well, I watch a little CNN and FOX News" and know every detail of some utterly trivial and meaningless issue.
June 9, 2007 4:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read a story by 2 women in Salon.com today that went on and on about Paris Hilton and how;
"All we can do is pray that one day, Paris Hilton will show mercy on us all, and go away." Talk about contradictions!
Paris Hilton is a media creation; for an extended period they followed and reported on her every move and now they whine about hearing too much about her. Paris Hilton is still another example of the media's thirst for grist for their mill, whether it was Chandra Levy, Natalie Hallowell, or some other story ( add your choice ) they covered 24/7.
Part of me feels sympathy for Paris Hilton; so what if she was born into wealth and enjoys what it brings? She doesn't seem to have ever hurt anyone, not like some of the wealthy sharks we have in this country who's philosophy seems to be "too much is never enough."
I can think of one in particular who was born into wealth and now has Americans dying and being maimed for life in Iraq.
Paris Hilton never hurt me or my country.
June 9, 2007 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hate being argumentative with the obvious, but your post is a bit much. The Beatles were the first "television band?" The same hysteria they generated was engendered by Elvis and Sinatra before them, and by earlier stars like Caruso and Jennie Lind.
There's nothing new about the cult of celebrity. I don't know how researchers managed to get a grant to find out the obvious: that children will follow leaders for no rational reason. So will adults, aswe've known for thousands of years.
Paris Hilton isn't a "leader" anyway; she's a beautiful, rich young woman with a taste for exhibitionism. Normal people have always been fascinated by the beautiful, rich, and young. There's nothing new here at all, except the major news outlets' willingness to devote so much of their time and resources to Paris' "ordeal," at the expense of real news.
But even that's not a new behavior. I'm afraid your dime-store sociology doesn't offer much new.
June 9, 2007 5:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who here wants to "do her harm"???
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
June 9, 2007 5:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
She is an exhibitionist, but you can bet she didn't want to go to jail. And she didn't rig a cell in a "special section;" she was placed in protective custody, which is no picnic. She was locked down 23 hours a day. This is a decision of the jail authorities, who quite rightly felt that her presence in the general population would be disruptive and possibly dangerous. The move was completely appropriate. County jails are very tough places, often tougher than state prisons where peole are doing time and settled in. There are far fewer amenities and outlets for the inmates.
As for the decision to give her an ankle bracelet, it's puzzling. Usually, this would have to come from a judge, unless it was provided for in the sentence. But whatever the case, you can bet the Sheriff's Dept. would not have let her go if she had acted out. Apparently, she had been quite polite and cooperative with them.
June 9, 2007 5:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, maybe that's an idea - actually use Paris as part of an active campaign to scuttle GOP arguments for scuttling the estate tax. How about something along the lines of "You think government wastes money, take a look at what the rich actually do with theirs." I don't know if the Right would want to trot out the old "Class Warfare" issue. Paris Hilton has no class at all.
June 9, 2007 5:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
The same people who want a pardon for Shcooter Libby are foaming on my TV for vengeance against Paris Hilton, a beautiful, rich, young woman who, while not exactly a paragon of social consciousness, at least doesn't go out of her way to cause harm, and is in fact quite entertaining, gregarious, and clearly energetic and achievement oriented. (I've personally known rich kids far lazier, wasted, less productive, and less prone to take personal risks).
As for her jail time, being in protective custody (the so-called 'celebrity cell block')is no joy ride. She was locked down in a 6 by 8 cell for 23 hours a day, and never let outside. Showers are probably two or three times a week. Nobody wants to be there. The only advantage over being in population is that it's safer, which is why they put her there.
Normally, if someone "cracks up" in jail, they go to either the jail's clinic or get transferred to a locked-down wing of a hospital that's operated by the corrections department--or even the state mental hospital. There's no question that Paris' transfer to a bracelet was unusual, mainly because it was prohibited by her sentence. I don't know why or under what administrative rule the Sheriff's Dept. could have done this without a court order. The Sheriff's Dept. carries out the sentence; they can't modify it, though they are allowed to determine the level of custody.
That said, they would never have let Paris out on the bracelet if she had acted like an asshole in there. By all accounts, she was polite and cooperative throughout the process.
June 9, 2007 5:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Most everyone.
Seems this ungrateful wench has no right to be pretty, young and rich.
If someone has addressed the proper measures to address drug dependence, I have missed it.
A man locally was jailed for drunk driving and died in custody.
The jail authorities had failed to administer an easily available, legal drug that could have saved his life.
An autopsy showed the man died from the side effects of withdrawal from his alcohol dependence.
I am a little curious as to the claimed medical emergency. Of course it may be a trivial excuse as everyone assumes but it seems rather bizarre to me.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 6:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of cheese-eating surrender monkey named that girl "Paris"?! Can't congress pass a resolution? I'll tell you this, if she had been given a good American name, none of this would have happened. Peoria Hilton would have been home baking cookies!
June 9, 2007 6:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
She has a private cell in a section reserved for special people, so it's not exactly going to be gang violence and such.
In all fairness, these special sections, as I understand it, are what they call here in New York "the Shoe" - special housing units that are essentially solitary confinement. There is ample evidence that prolonged periods in solitary are psychologically damaging - I think it was considered a violation of the 8th amendment 200 years ago. I don't think she'll have a more pleasant stay because of this.
Not that 23 days in solitary for Paris is a bad thing....
June 9, 2007 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes ... anyone with that record would have been remanded to home custody with electronic surveillance.
There simply are not enough jails in Southern California to hold all the people caught driving on their first suspended licenses and sentenced to two to six weeks in jail.
If Paris Hilton was Harris Pilton, Harris would be in home custody today.
June 9, 2007 6:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
They might have used the appellation, Nacogdoches Hilton, but that would have been an insult to the folks of that fine city in Louisiana.
June 9, 2007 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
The worse thing ever will be if she comes out of jail and reforms her ways. That would be such a waste of a great tawdry life long potential of stories and fodder for the media. Paris is a great product line. Updates the Hilton brand and keeps us all looking. Don't pretend you don't look. We all look, this story has made it legal for all of us to confess that the press has forced us to look. Ahhhhhh, nightmare. CNN made me watch.
June 9, 2007 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, she was caught drunk driving, and driving erratically in a dangerous manner. She was suspended, caught driving again. Then she was caught driving for a third time, doing double the speed limit in a school zone, with her suspension in her glove compartment.
Let's get serious here. Paris Hilton has proven herself to have such poor impulse control that she drives drunk and she drives unsafely.
Doubling the speed limit in a school zone? I'm sure you'd be laughing if she accidentally ran over a toddler.
Do you really want her on the same roads with the rest of us? If not, how do you propose that her behaviour would or should be controlled, since she clearly has no regard for controls.
Is it really a justifiable sentence to simply limit her to a four bedroom, three bathroom house with all the amenities. It's far less and inconvenience and handicap for her than it is for non-wealthy people.
Frankly, if Paris Hilton were poor or black, then she'd be in jail right now and no one would care. Is that fair?
If Paris Hilton were white and middle class, she'd get the kid glove treatment. Is that fair?
Paris Hilton is rich, notorious, and indifferent to the law. Is that fair?
June 9, 2007 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
True there was hysteria in the past, except there wasn't a plethora of 24/7 media outlets that needed to be fed. Paris loves the attention and media outlets and stringers are always guaranteed a show which is money in the bank.
Compared to the past, PR/marketing specialists now have a vast number of outlets to promote their clients. Marketing specialists are professionals at making scripted events look spontaneous, they are very smooth.
Infotainment is the new media format - very light on news and very heavy on entertainment. And the news doesn't have to be original, just subscribe to AP or Reuters.
June 9, 2007 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? Where did you get this?
Seems this ungrateful wench has no right to be pretty, young and rich.
The point that I have heard upstream is that the pretty, young, rich individual has no right to endanger the rest of us by driving drunk on a license which had already been suspended for driving drunk. This is someone who could still go anywhere she pleased in a taxi or chauferred limosine, but chose to ignore the legal restrictions placed on her because she thought she could get away with anything. When the sheriff let her out I am sure that compounded the notion that she was exempt from what ordinary people have to put up with.
Is your point that because she is pretty, young and rich she should carry on anyway she wants to and the police (and pedestrians and other drivers, for that matter) should just get out of the way?
And what does your example about the guy who died in custody from alcohol intoxication have to do with Paris Hilton? She was in the pokey for one day and had already been seen by 2 doctors.
A more appropriate tale would be of the many people killed by drunk drivers with or without suspended licenses. It really isn't doing Ms Hilton a favor to undo the judge's order. It may save her life and someone else's if she actually learns a lesson. Before now she simply hasn't had to learn any self-restraint; rules never applied to the Hiltons. Maybe this is a good thing.
Jan
June 9, 2007 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard an Amicus Brief is in the pipeline! They're questioning the constitutional authority of the presiding judge.
Jan
June 9, 2007 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
He was obviously biased. The judge had seen "One Night in Paris" and was annoyed by the "night vision" camera usage.
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
June 9, 2007 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps you would care to state where you found the posts that addressed the matter of inhibiting drunk driving with incarceration rather than the joy of seeing a young woman in prison because she's rich, pretty and young. Did anyone else mention the purported medical condition except with a sneer?
"Luckily, there is justice in this crazy world, my friends. Paris is heading back to jail." - Andrew Golis
"Celebrity is a pretty horrible thing...there is little to nothing rational about Hilton's celebrity, celebrity in general, and much of politics and punditry these days. Her fans, and much of the public, are barely conscious, which is also a general problem with our democracy as de Toquville predicted, and is largely an unfortunate byproduct of scale beyond what we're biologically evolved to cope with efficiently." - kozmik
Paris Hilton isn't a "leader" anyway; she's a beautiful, rich young woman with a taste for exhibitionism...I'm afraid your dime-store sociology doesn't offer much new." - LongTom
And on and on. The quotes were simply taken in order from the top but nothing changed as far as I know beyond the ugly feeding frenzy celebrating the takedown of Paris Hilton.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes of course ... it would be safer for LA residents if they would build enough jail capacity to keep dangerous drivers like Paris Hilton (or the hypothetical Harris Pilton) off the road.
But they don't. That is why the Harriss Pilton's of the world get remanded to home custody, or do community service, or something along the same lines until they do something really atrocious and then get locked up.
Except for Paris Hilton, someone with that record would not be in jail this weekend.
June 9, 2007 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
We are talking about her. She's won. We are not even safe here.
June 9, 2007 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's ironic that to someone that's had a chance to develop a reasonable level of mental discipline, solitary confinement is quite manageable. To those who depend on external stimuli for their very being, it is indeed tough.
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 9, 2007 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you considered the possibility that the addiction is physical rather than mental?
I have mentioned a fellow arrested and jailed for drunk driving who died from side effects of withdrawal symptoms from alcohol according to the coroner.
I guess it's possible that a psychiatrist or psychologist was inveigled into pronouncing the young woman simply unable to withstand the dreadful ordeal of confinement but it seems to me hard to believe even in the bizarro world of America's rich and famous.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I got her criminal record wrong because I haven't been following except in passing. But, I think Bruce is right. Even with her record, who she is has a lot to do with how she was sentenced.
We could make am good debate over that, too.
Judges obviously have a lot of leeway in sentencing and they sometimes do give a harder sentence to a public figure in order to set an example. Is that right?
At the same time, switch over to the Libby trial. When people without power and influence are facing a sentence, do major legal figures show up to write glowing testimonials about their characters in an attempt to sway the judge?
It certainly cuts both ways but does it cut both ways deeply enough that the system is fair or does it leave us with the sense that the system is way too random to deliver actual fair justice, even for crimes committed, as opposed to crimes that are in dispute?
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
June 9, 2007 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Assume the addiction is physical. In such a case, putting her into house arrest, rather than a hospital or rehab facility, is even more irresponsible.
While there are deaths from acute alcohol intoxication, such as chugging a bottle in a hazing ritual and falling dead, it's rather unlikely that she would have had no visible symptoms when being taken to the jail. Perhaps the worst addiction, quite rare these days, is to barbiturates -- one should never withdraw outside a fully equipped hospital. From a purely physical, not psychological, standpoint, nicotine withdrawal is usually worse than opioid withdrawal.
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 9, 2007 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
No real argument with some reservations.
There is a vast difference between acute alcohol intoxication and side effects from withdrawal. One habitual drinker that I knew once used to seem like he was drinking starch when on a bender. As he got increasingly stewed, he would straighten up from a habitual slouch, his slur would clear up, his his eyes would widen and he would begin to walk straight. Effects of intoxication differ but I never saw anything remotely like that.
Withdrawal from barbiturates particularly is known to be lethal.
# Withdrawal from barbiturates can be difficult. Symptoms include irritability, nervousness, inability to sleep, nausea, and even convulsions.
# Sudden withdrawal from high doses can be fatal.
http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drugsafety/drugsatoz/barbituates
All just the wildest kind of speculation but obviously Hilton wasn't above using drugs of most any kind.
Did the doctors of whatever stripe think it was simply too dreadful for the poor rich girl to be incarcerated and that constituted a medical emergency?
Frankly I hope not whatever the justification offered for a reprieve. I don't deny the possibility.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just what I was thinking. And here I thought that TPM Cafe was one of the few Paris Hilton-free zones...
Know your enemy well, for in the end that is who you become. ~~Old Chinese Proverb
June 9, 2007 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
And your point is that Paris should be spared because of this?
There is a vast difference between acute alcohol intoxication and side effects from withdrawal.
Now who is asking for different treatment than all the other DUI 3rd offenders who get dragged in? Your point is that they should all go home in case they need a little "something?" How many drunks get to go home with a bracelet?
And to a previous comment: Drunk driving is self-destructive, even if the driver, her parents, her doctor, her lawyer, et al don't agree. They are used to enabling her. It is what they do best.
Jan
June 9, 2007 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barbiturates have a good deal more complex effect on the brain than the benzodiazepines (primarily tranquilizers) and other families of anticonvulsants that have replaced them in most applications. Long-acting phenobarbital and related substances still have some value in convulsive disorders, and the ultrashort-acting injectable barbiturates, such as thiopental, are useful in inducing anesthesia. Short-acting pentobarbital, orally and by injection in humans, and by injection in animals, is the most commonly used agent for euthanasia -- but, ironically, not for lethal injection.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 9, 2007 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
And you can find some place I said anything remotely like that?
You will fail to find anyplace that I said Paris Hilton should have been spared.
I am even less anxious to spare all those slobbering over beating up girls without understanding anything of what occurred.
I suggest to you that DUI should not incur a death penalty without even a hearing as in a case I mentioned.
Do you think a death sentence without any sort of hearing is a good idea?
Well do you?
BTW there are cases of people arrested for intoxication who had not even been drinking?
Think that is a fine idea?
A sometime anchor on CBS News, Hugh Rudd I think was the name, related the story of his being mugged and severely beaten. In his struggles to get home, a cop gave him another blow with his stick thinking Rudd was drunk.
What are you talking about?
I was talking about dealing with DUI.
I don't give a damn what you think about Paris Hilton personally. I frankly haven't thought a lot about her. She isn't worth it IMO.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
All I can tell you is that the effect of alcohol on that one fellow was very dramatic, unlike anything others who were not exactly unfamiliar with the effect of alcohol had witnessed.
When he seemed sober as a judge, so to speak, was the one time he wasn't.
Best, Terry
June 9, 2007 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't Bush pardon her?
Damn, when it comes to justice, Bush can do anything he wants. Declare her an enemy combatant and send her to Gitmo. Or maybe order an extraordinary rendition to Antigua.
June 9, 2007 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's ironic that to someone that's had a chance to develop a reasonable level of mental discipline, solitary confinement is quite manageable. To those who depend on external stimuli for their very being, it is indeed tough.
It's probably true that mental discipline provides a great measure of resistance, when you consider that most intellectual training is, in some ways, very solitary. (When I was younger and had more mental discipline, I had a list of projects that I would like to accomplish...if I was ever incarcerated.)
But 23 or 45 or however many days is one thing; make it solitary for a few years, and I suspect that even the most resilient would start to decompose. And supermaximum facility prisons - which are essentially long-term solitary confinement jails - are becoming ever more common.
The one time in my atheistic life that a religious interlocutor ever caused me fear was not a finger-pointing, fire and brimstone type, but a nice, reasonable Catholic who intended no harm when he remarked that 'hell is but the absence of god.' I suddenly imagined being a disembodied Cartesian mind, unconnected to the world or anything else. Hell is, in other words, a really long sentence.
June 9, 2007 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's rather like the Ann Coulter paradox. If we ignore her than she can't have an effect. But if she's not going away when we ignore her than we must engage. Or something. I'm not sure.
June 9, 2007 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Colour me skeptical. I've dealt with cases involving people who died of alcohol poisoning, and I've seen first hand examples of drug and alcohol addiction.
Withdrawal, particularly cold turkey withdrawal, is often a harsh and unpleasant experience. But normally it does not pose a medical threat to health or life.
Generally, for those it does, there are corollary symptoms, a weakened constitution due to consistent malnutrition, opportunistic diseases or infections, all sorts of things.
Generally, a person whose withdrawal symptoms are fatal or medically critical is usually a physical basket case to start with. They don't look and function like Paris Hilton.
June 9, 2007 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would Harriss Pilton go to jail? I think that there's a very good chance he would. This is not a simple driving offence, this is a repeat offense whose secondary characteristic is that the subject "is not attorning to the jurisdiction of the law."
Look, its very simple. The law would rather not incarcerate people (who are not black) because it consumed time and resources.
Look. Suppose you were charged with beating your girlfriend - simple assault, a criminal offense along the same level of seriousness a drunk driving. As part of your conditions of release, you are forbidden from seeing your girlfriend.
So what do you do? A week later, you head over to her place to hang out. She's got your stuff, your kids are there, you pay the rent anyway...
And you get caught and charged and told not to go over there.
So you show up again, this time with the 'no contact order' in your back pocket. She's changed the locks, so you had to break a window to get in.
Your ass is definitely going to jail, bub. And for a very simple reason:
You won't obey the law.
The whole point of judicial release, bail, probation, the whole nine yards, is that a person is expected to respect the courts orders and direction.
If they won't respect that, then there's no way to control their behaviour.
If you were to look at a lot of the people who are actually in jail awaiting trial, or in jail filling out sentences, you would be amazed to realize how many are imprisoned because they simply could not be bothered to do what the courts ask.
June 9, 2007 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Antigua (with an ankle bracelet)...the simple life...
June 9, 2007 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Hilton has played on her role as elite princess and that kind of persona usually backfires. Most people don’t personally hate her but detest her being thrust into our consciousness and her flaunting of privilege. From a quick look at reports, she has been given breaks all along, not harsher treatment. She could have gotten six months on the first arrest. She was involved in other incidents with no consequences before being cited twice for continuing to drive.
Almost everyone is connected to someone who has had drug or dinking or some other self-destructive problem. When the unprivileged run up against the legal system, they are smacked in the face with a large blunt instrument. Equal rights require equal justice and treatment under the law. In my town today, a poor schlub with mental issues was given life for assaulting a policeman. He rear-ended the patrol car and later started wrestling with the cop, He was asking the cop to shoot him and tried to get the cop’s gun. The media and community leaders are basically applauding the life sentence.
Hearing of his sentence (a usual one here), I remembered Zsa Zsa Gabor (another princess) striking that cop in the ‘80s. She spent a few days in a jail of her choosing, where she paid for a more comfortable cell and better meals. I believe Hilton was given this option, too. Anyway, no one is beating up on little girls here. But there are poor and ordinary young men and women in prisons and jails throughout the country who will be beaten up or raped or denied medical attention tonight. Do you think there might be a bit of a double standard in the legal system?
June 9, 2007 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm worried about Andrew's choice of women to get engaged with . . .
June 9, 2007 7:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
During the Great Depression, a pro labor priest in the U.S. purportedly said:
:D Ticia
June 9, 2007 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
She should be punished for what she did, not who she is.
June 9, 2007 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Augustine of Hippo was said to have answered a question of "What was God doing before He created the heavens and the earth?" with "Designing a hell for those who would dare ask such questions." If there is such a god of vengeance, I hope we, in hell, make good use of the time to plan.
Arguably, the quiet supermax may be worse than some rough prison camp, as there is more of a target to hate. Still, there is a reason for religious, and other spiritual, journeys being solitary. One might have a guide, whether Ignatius of Loyola or one's power animal.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 9, 2007 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I used to prosecute drunk drivers and so I spent some time with alcohol abuse specialists and technicians, and medical personnel.
Longtime alcoholics develop an increasing tolerance for alcohol, such that they can continue functioning when other people are passing out.
But they're still impaired. Alcoholics compensate for impairment by developing a variety of 'tricks' or minor coping strategies. For instance, speech tends to slur, so the alcoholic will tend to speak more carefully and deliberately, and will tend to avoid words that contain 's' so as to avoid the automatic slurring. They can, because of this, come to seem more deliberate and sharper, but their actual mental and physical processes have been materially impaired, and are simply masked.
When reaching for an object on a table, they'll tend to opt for a sweeping motion, which makes it easier to smoothly close in on and obtain the object. If they were to reach directly for it, then they might miss or become clumsy. They stand arch their backs to stand straighter, widen their stance to avoid wobble. There's all sorts of little ways to compensate to mask the true state of intoxication.
But they really are intoxicated, their reflexes really are impaired, their mental function really is diminished. Compensation is good for walking around the house or hanging out at a party, but anything that actually requires exercise of skill or thought... well, there's no faking that, and there's no compensating for that. Diminished reflexes are diminished reflexes. Reduced capacity is reduced capacity. In normal circumstances, those reflexes and capacity are there as needed. For intoxicated persons, they aren't.
Your friend, from what you describe, is simply a long time functioning alcoholic. He's just been a habitual and chronic drunk long enough for compensating mechanisms to have evolved. And the fact that he's got these remarkable compensating mechanisms is proof all by itself that he's been at it for a while.
June 9, 2007 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew: We were doing fine until just recently - I don't think anything at all about her was posted on TPM Cafe until she was sent back to jail. It must have had something to do with that because suddenly there were several posts here about her. Musta hit some sort of nerve. You aren't the only one!
Know your enemy well, for in the end that is who you become. ~~Old Chinese Proverb
June 9, 2007 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, because many people deep down actually want to be Hilton. Her "crimes" are diffused to have almost zero impact on the average viewer, while her wealth and luxury is very appealing. People want wealth and luxury, and they want vicarious icons.
It would be like trying to justify the estate tax because rock stars misbehave at hotels and throw sofas out windows while snorting cocaine off stripper's tits and such. No, most would like to be a rockstar. If every oil baron had a daughter like Hilton, it would be a far more beloved industry. Sad, but that's the way it is.
The reality of course is that there is nothing sexy about using one's wealth to shit on other people.
Do an expose on Hilton maids, what they earn and how they're treated, juxtapose that with Hilton, and then you have a reality check and people snap out of vicarious glamor mode. Then her popularity goes way down.
June 10, 2007 1:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I read everything down to here - and I don't get it. Somewhere along the way I guess I missed the punch line. What's the joke?
You guys made this Paris Hilton character up - right? She isn't listed at guugle.com. That would be like naming your kid Brooklyn Bridge, or Grand Canyon, or San Francisco. Man, I leave the country for a few months and you guys go off the deep end. We're still in Iraq, people are still talking about hauling wetbacks to Mexico in cattle trucks, and there's a Creationist Museum (for Christ's Sake)! And you guys are dreaming up some character named Paris Hilton! What's going on around here? And what the hell's happened to http://guugle.com, it looks like it got bought out by Fox or something ....
June 10, 2007 1:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say it would be pleasant. Just, it's not such a terrible sacrifice if one is an exhibitionism junkie. She has to keep upping the ante to stay in the media spotlight.
Take that guy who locked himself in a fishbowl for several days to be on TV. Way harder and was a serious health risk. Far more training and suffering for a far smaller reward and amount of celebrity.
Do you really think her sex video and everything else was all a big accident? This is all a completely predictable outcome from her crime which was perfectly gauged to produce a great deal of media attention with a little, but wholly doable, amount of pain.
And her next act will be ratcheted up just a little more, to exactly the level necessary to get her back in the news, to which she'll have calculated the best way to pay the minimum price for it.
June 10, 2007 1:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's true about prolonged, solitary confinement.
This is neither prolonged, nor truly solitary confinement. She won't ever commit a crime which would cause that, because she's not stupid whatever else she may be.
If she was an ordinary person, who would be shamed, probably lose their job, maybe friends and family, etc, it would be terrible.
For her, she wants the fame, her friends will love her for it, and she'll step out into a limo to be carried back to one of several mansions to watch media highlights of the last several weeks, where millions of people talking about her while she was away, which to her is probably better than food, sex, drugs, money, or anything. Who knows, maybe she'll read this thread with glee among others, and it will all be more than worth it.
It'll be unpleasant, but to an exibitionist a price worth paying. At least she doesn't have to live in a fishtank for a week, like that one guy did for his 15 minutes, which is actually a lot harder and more dangerous.
June 10, 2007 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes there had been other TV stars, but the Beatles were the first to really take advantage of the medium and were the first truly media managed super band. To make an analogy, Kennedy had natural charisma which played well on TV and helped him defeat Nixon who was wasn't telegenic. But Reagan was the first real TV president wholly driven by performance and sound bite. And GW Bush in the next step in that evolution. (devolution?) Kennedy is to Elvis as Reagan is to Beatles as GW Bush is to the Backstreet Boys or some other completely vapid and wholly producer manufactured puppet act, that started seeing huge commercial success in the 90s.
Hilton certainly is a leader in her own way, as an icon at least. Which she knows, and is why she craves celebrity and influence in brings.
If one observes the media critically their reactions to events are highly predictable because they are poll/market driven and patronize to a lowest common denominator, based on clinched perceptions of the public. So, simply take a clinche about the general public, pander to it (predictable moralizing to cover the sensationalizing, with tacit endorsement) and you know ahead of time exactly how the media will respond to events.
That's what Rove does better than most, but all polls do to some extent, and frankly it's not that terribly difficult. It's hard to impossible to predict long-term changes and blowback because the "victim" is learning, which is the exact problem with Machiavellian plans and we've seen this in everything from Bush's opinion polls to decades of FP. But it works great in the short-term and certainly well enough for product marketing or people like Hilton to manipulate the media.
Hilton has it down to a science. She does something like this, the cable networks cover it so much in a predictable way, the intelligencia pretend to ignore it but ultimately give in and have to make some point about it such as this thread, someone like me complains how stupid it is, and someone like you says it's all just natural. Along the line millions of people get the idea she's important, and emulate her in many small ways from fashion to attitudes. And of course, her name is a brand name, which now has an infusion of sexiness and curious interest a traditional ad campaign can hardly buy.
Rinse and repeat.
Eventually we'll see so many "leaked" sex videos and so many debs and failing pop-stars "caught" on camera in "embarrassing" moments (only to to see their popularity and careers temporarily revitalized) people will see the pattern and realize they're being had, even if they never exactly figure it out. Hasn't happened yet though, so expect more.
June 10, 2007 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I resent being grouped with the Paris-haters. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. She's not a leader, she's rich, beautiful, and young, and obviously has a taste for exhibitionism.
All of which is just fine with me. In fact, I'm a big Paris defender. Live and let live. She's nowhere near as big a wastrel as some rich kids I've known personally.
June 10, 2007 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't have any crayons that color. Sorry.
I haven't known anyone to die from "alcohol poisoning" - presumably you don't mean the alcohol was poisoned. :-)
I have, however, known many alcoholics. You don't even have to be Irish for that. :-)
I witnessed the DT's in my father at a very young age and indeed it was most unpleasant. They called it "the snakes" as best I recall. There are snakes in Ireland despite rumors to the contrary.
[This is from About.com:]
[From wisegeek.com:]
No word on what the death rate was before "medical intervention" but that number seems surprisingly large even to me.
Hilton doesn't look malnourished to you? :-)
I caught a city bus once in Vancouver, Washington (as best I can recall), while talking to a young man who seemed to be maybe in his late 20's or early 30's. A derelict was walking toward us, checking garbage cans as she came for whatever she might retrieve. I would have guessed she was in her 50's or more.
"You see that woman," he said. "We were classmates in high school. She came from a very wealthy family. She was part of the in crowd."
Yeah.
I guess her loss wouldn't have meant much anymore to anyone. Never know for certain.
I have wondered what teenagers that can get the DT's might look like. Never saw one of those that I know of but I have seen many young addicts who didn't look like the derelict. They looked more like Paris Hilton to me.
In fact at my age, all young women look like Paris Hilton. :-)
Best, Terry
June 10, 2007 3:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
FREE PARIS! FREE PARIS! FREE PARIS!
June 10, 2007 3:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Today, perhaps we need these millionaires to put the fear of, um, god into the communists.
June 10, 2007 4:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes, in fact, it happens too quickly to save the patient, as, for example, when, as part of an initiation or as a result of a dare, a person chugs down a bottle or more of hard liquor. This is especially dangerous with younger people of less body weight.
A starting place for lethal and nonlethal ethanol (common alcohol) poisoning comes from the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), A British study is quite long, but look at Table 2 on page 7. Here's an English-language abstract from MEDLINE. MEDLINE is the principal search system for medical professionals, operated by the National Library of Medicine and the successor to the manual Index Medicus.
This is nonsense. Here's a basic discussion of treatment, intended for medical professionals.. You will note it does recommend DT patients be in an ICU, where there definitely are interventions for seizures, heart attacks, and stroke. The basic tool of management is sedation, preferably with benzodiazepines. An early dose of thiamine is essential before administering IV glucose, because a sudden dose of sugar to a person with chronic alcoholism can induce Wernicke's encepalopathy.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 10, 2007 6:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where's Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque and the 2e Division Blindée when you need them?
Did the sheriff change his name from von Choltitz?
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
June 10, 2007 6:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
And if you looked in LA County at the people who are detained at home, released early, or otherwise do not serve their full sentence in the country jail, it includes a lot of people who are in jail because they could not be bothered to do what the courts asked.
Harris Pilton, in the same circumstances, is at home today in home detention with an electronic device monitoring his movements. In the same circumstances, the sheriff probably would keep Harris Pilton in jail for his full sentence if he could, but the county board of supervisors won't build him that many jail cells, so he's got to juggle.
June 10, 2007 6:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never had any doubt that amateurs could get into trouble playing at a pro's game.
May I