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If you're like me, you're all about Al's point that this whole internets thing is providing a great platform for hashing out real issues. Real issues, like what theoretical framework we use to analyze our economy and how that framework is or isn't shielded from dissent by a roving band of vigilante Department Chairs. But, maybe also like me, you've been too busy doing actual work to keep up and read 16 posts in two days.

Fear not dear reader, if you want to follow the last two days of this titillating debate but are just joining us, we've put together a quick summary that will catch you up in just over 500 words. Special thanks to new TPM intern Evann Smith for helping me put this together.

Chris Hayes kicks things off by boiling down his feature Nation piece into two main points made by heterodox economists: (1) the sociology of the profession creates constraints on what is and isn't considered legitimate inquiry and (2) the theoretical framework of neoclassical economics has become largely identified with the definition of economics itself, like Rollerblades or Kleenex. Each marginalizes the work of heterodox economists.

Echoing Hayes' analysis, Thomas Palley agrees, arguing that these two points constitute "pillars of exclusion." “Today’s orthodoxy,” he asserts, “frames public understanding,” expectations, and thinking about “what policy issues are important and what policy solutions are possible.” Agreeing, Nathan Newman and James Galbraith remind readers, respectively, that heterodox analysis has “fled” economics to other disciplines and that neoclassical economics was not always dominant.

Tyler Cowen is pretty thoroughly unconvinced. Hayes’ article, he argues, lacks a discussion of any valid heterodox propositions that have been neglected. “Heterodox economics, as it currently stands, simply is not up to replacing the neoclassical paradigm or even living as a significant supplement. …Most of its best elements…have been absorbed by the mainstream, as Hayes himself admits and indeed emphasizes." Cowen also notes that there are more Democratic than Republican economists.

Max Sawicky and James Galbraith each respond. Sawicky dismisses as "irrelevant" Cowen's point about partisan affiliations and challenges that Cowen fails to address “the quoted words of economists of great stature who support the Hayes account.” Galbraith makes himself one of those economists, offering an impassioned account of his own experiences and stating “Professor Cowen writes with the supreme confidence of the practitioner of intellectual eugenics, passing blithe judgment over who is fit to live and who is not.” Cowen’s post also prompts Hayes to reenter the discussion and defend the sociological case against neoclassical dominance, “which chronicles the professional mechanisms that maintain the model's hegemony.”

David Warsh thinks Hayes' account shows the ways in which the field is changing and expects further movement toward understanding psychology and social context. David Ruccio thinks heterodox economists should focus on teaching the field on their own terms with the diversity they see within it. Mark Thoma agrees, pointing specifically to the role those economists should play within Departments and citing the story of Michael Perelman to support his claims.

Diane Coyle thinks Hayes account of heterodox ideas being integrated into the mainstream undercuts the complaints of the heterodox economists themselves, but also notes two areas where she'd like to see further improvement: the delay between what is researched and what is taught and gender and racial diversity in the field. Thomas Palley takes exception to what he sees as Diane Coyle lack of engagement with the arguments of heterodox economists and offers examples to back up his case. This morning, Coyle responds.

Finally, New York Times columnist and Princeton economist Paul Krugman has joined us, making two points. First, he warns against conflating heterdox economics with anti-free market analysis. This morning, he responds to Atrios' point that "very few mainstream economists were out there pointing out that claims about market manipulation were perfectly good economics." "When I said that neoclassical economics," he writes, "... I didn't mean that economists do that sort of questioning often enough. On the contrary - but the point then is that the problem isn't the methodology, it's the people."


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Smart, Andrew!

I've been here the whole time and was having trouble tracking this debate.

Please do more of this when issues get big on the site and the number of contributors grows.

Really great stuff, Evann.

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always nice to learn a foreign language. what I must ask though: where in this summary do we learn anything about the economic issues? The summary seems to be a discussion of the merits of each of the personalities, rather than facts.
but then again, since every economist I have ever heard is more like a hard core preacher, long on wind, absent of substance.

does anyone disagree that any suggestion that an "economist" (or anyone else in the business of prognostication), might rely on facts to make their guess? I notice that no "pundit" I have ever read or seen takes into account any possibility that things change. I particularly like the absurd assumption that the world is going to turn just like it has, when the least oil crisis could cripple every country but an oil producing one on this planet.

there is never a suggestion of anything but status quo with such people. this very fact makes them completely irrelevant. much like religion, it is all fiction.

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Oldtree,

I understand your point but the conversation so far has been about the nature of the people who practice economics and the different traditions, not the analytical disagreements that actually define those disagreements. The article wasn't "are neoclassical economists wrong?," but "do neoclassical economists shut out others?"

Andrew, your point is well taken, but Oldtree's desire to hear more analysis of the ideas held by the contending factions is likely widely held. As one who (despite graduating from the university for which the Chicago school is named) never took a course in economics, I would like to see another series of articles addressing these core economic issues. I think the current series is one of the best yet on TPM (congratulations!). Another on the actual economics underlying the dispute would be a real coup!

Good work!

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First off, thanks for your kind words. We aim to please!

Second, we'll definitely look into getting the more nitty gritty conversation about the economics and not just the social implications, I was just noting to Oldtree that I can't summarize what ain't there.

More democrats that republicans among the ranks of economists? Not so surprising - hell, Richard Perle is a registered democrat.

I love neoclassical economics. They do an excellent job of aping the mindset of real sciences like physics and chemistry - the mindset of 19th century physics and chemistry, that is. General equilibrium my ass. As if a dynamical system could ever be in equilibrium.


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The neoclassical position strikes me as internally contradictory: if open markets and competition provide the best possible solutions to economic problems, it would seem that, by analogy, they should also provide the best possible solutions to intellectual problems. To create a "trust" in their discipline should, then, be anathema to them.
Of course, "free markets" also spawned trusts when the most powerful players realized that the elimination of competition was the best way to insure that their market position would continue to offer them the maximum benefit.

To those who think this (one) post doesn't include an economics section, may I suggest you look anywhere else on the front page?

Jan

More democrats that republicans among the ranks of economists? Not so surprising - hell, Richard Perle is a registered democrat.

That's one statement that I find hard to believe.

Most economists push for "free" trade instead of fair trade, despite that "free" trade contains just as much protectionism as fair trade, except in the form of copyright, intellectual property, and patent provisions.

Most economists push for limited taxes and other limited government interference in the market.

In short, the majority of the economists out there are making Libertarian arguments, not Democratic ones.

"As if a dynamical system could ever be in equilibrium."

A dynamical system can by in a dynamic equilibrium in which the rates of change, rather than the levels, are constant.

Fair trade is an ambiguous term, which has no precise meaning. But neoclassical economists, as a whole do ignore free trade's dirty little secret: factor price equalization. Krugman is one of the exceptions.

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