A Truly Bizarre Argument in the Making
Oftentimes in this biz, your antennae pick up a signal that an organized group is trying out a new argument to see how it resonates with the public. They’re “raising it up the flagpole to see who salutes,” as it were.
Well, I’m picking up a really weird signal to which I’d like to alert you.It goes like this: don’t raise taxes on high-income households, because you’ll discourage kids from attending college.
It’s alluded to here, towards the end of this piece by Nobel Laureate economist Gary Becker and Kevin Murphy, also a big shot in the field, proving once again that smart economists can make truly ridiculous arguments.
They argue that to make the tax system more progressive—e.g., to let the high-end Bush cuts expire on schedule—would be advocating “a tax on going to college and a subsidy for dropping out of high school.”
So, there: I’m not making this up.
These guys really believe that some kid who’s considering going to college today will think, “I was seriously looking at college. But, hey, a few decades from now, I could be making serious bucks. If they’re just going let the high end marginal tax rates reset from 35 to 39.6 percent, what’s the point? I hear Starbucks is hiring.”
Or even more bizarre, a kid thinking about dropping out of high school will allegedly say, “Jeez, a Democrat could win in ’08, and they’re talking about letting tax rates on capital gains and dividend income go back up. Relative to rich people, that lowers my tax bill…I’m so outta here!”
I heard this argument on a debate on the Kudlow show last week, and I’m supposed to go back on CNBC later today to talk income inequality (Hillary Clinton’s giving a talk about inequality later, on which I'm to comment), where I suspect it will come up again.
As in the link above, they tend to frame this argument in terms of the rising earnings of college relative to non-college graduates. But as we’ve pointed out in lots of places, that ratio rose half as fast in the 1990s as in the 1980s, and has been virtually flat in the 2000s. It’s high, I grant you—you’ll definitely do a lot better with a college degree than without one. And there are, of course, millions of other great reasons to go to college.
But it’s nuts to eschew progressive tax changes because you’re worried about discouraging college attendance.
People don’t need a rising wage premium to convince them to go to college. Other countries with much less inequality have college graduation rates at least as high as ours, and our largest spurt in college attendance occurred in the 1970s, having nothing to do with relative wages (it was the baby boomers entering their college years and draft deferrals).
So, anyone who’s considering the very necessary path of allowing the Bush high-end cuts to expire on schedule, if not sooner, should not be the slightest bit swayed by such silliness. If anything, it should serve to remind you just how far out of touch some great scholars can get.














This is a variant of the "lucky ducky" argument used in a Wall Street Journal back in 2002, about Americans who pay no federal income tax because they're "lucky" enough to have really low income.
The brain-warp of it has been mocked by many, including "Tom the Dancing Bug" cartoonist Ruben Bolling (at Salon), who occasionally pens strips about "Lucky Ducky: The poor little duck who's rich in luck".
May 29, 2007 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Don't raise taxes or I'll drop out of college!" That is an absurd argument. Two reactions:
1) It seems to play into the same mindset that claims populist, tax-the-rich approaches aren't popular even with the poor and lower middle class, because they hope to be rich someday, too. I don't know how well founded that assertion really is, but I see it advanced by many of the sort of right-wing commentaters who are likely to pick up on this idea as well.
2) On the other hand, though, it seems to contradict something else that we're hearing from some people on the right--and which arguably has a certain amount of salience: Namely, that too many people are going to college anyway, and our skilled trades are suffering as a consequence.
May 29, 2007 7:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this post. I realize in reading it that by showing up for work today that I'm going to get paid and then taxed at the federal, state and local levels.
So, there's just no point, is there?
And on the subway this morning I walked by a badly dressed, unshaven guy who had a cup in front of him. He was begging for change.
He's got it so easy! He's not paying taxes on those change donations.
I need to rethink my life now.
thosethingswesay.blogspot.com
May 29, 2007 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of a great scene in the Woody Allen movie Annie Hall, where his character is a kid, and his mom takes him to the psychiatrist.
The problem is that he learned in school that the sun will eventually explode (or something) in like a billion years, and so he won't do his homework anymore.
"What's the point?" he says.
May 29, 2007 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear some of the early trials via a friend that listens to Rush, but haven't heard this howler yet.
This is simply a special case of the laughable Laffer "curve". Obviously health care costs and the regressive SS tax have zero effect on career choice, but a slight difference in future earnings does. Yeah, right.
I guess if one doesn't attend college one is unable to answer this question--is an increase in income, with only the increase taxed at a higher rate, worth it?
Isn't it still the case that higher brackets only apply to the "overage", the income above a cap? If so, any increase is an increase, at any tax rate less than 100%. No case of increased income yields less aggregate after-tax income. And unmentioned is the difference between a job and no job. Does anyone argue that college education reduces job opportunities?
Ironic that as we learn more about ourselves through social science and psychology we end up being manipulated more by "framing" of questions to preclude thought.
May 29, 2007 8:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
John to prospective Employer; "So, what will my salary be?"
Employer: "$450 per week, minus taxes."
John: "TAXES? I GOTTA PAY TAXES?"
Employer: "I'm afraid so"
John: "Forget it, I'm outta here!"
May 29, 2007 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lucky Ducky is hilarious. :-)
May 29, 2007 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
These are economist whores working for the Man.
May 29, 2007 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right--only marginal rates of 100%+ would leave you with less after-tax income.
But you have to get that Becker especially is cuckoo for marginal analysis, ie, the belief that any tweak to pretax income, no matter how small, leads to big behavioral changes.
No evidence to support him*, but he doesn't let that get in his way.
* I'm not denying that marginal changes in taxes can change behavior. The evidence does, however, strongly contradict the notion that tax changes of the type we're discussing lead to changes in big (or even small) life decisions.
May 29, 2007 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Regretably, the entire profession of economics has today become corrupted by corporatism and economic treason. There is no economist who is trying to keep jobs in this country, nor make the economy fair for all. I will exempt Joseph Steiglitz from this critique. The rest of them are all using mathematical models and statistical bullshit (I am a statistician) to prove that all jobs should be done in Singapore.
May 29, 2007 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've been too cautious about naming what "organized group" the opinions of these two esteemed economists represent, leaving us to wonder.
Becker and Murphy are Hoover fellows publishing in The American, owned and operated by the American Enterprise Institute, devoted to the amusing myths of free market economics and "capitalist democracy," known elsewhere as unregulated greed.
I notice there's also an article in the same issue in which the head of DOW Chemical gets to bemoan systemic flaws such as litigation laws that drive his enterprise overseas. I notice AEI's home page also touts a new publication by Frederick Kagan and William Kristol, whose foreign policy expertise has contributed so much to our notable success in Iraq.
Dogs, fleas.
May 29, 2007 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is no end to the ingenuity of the people looking at arguments to justify unjust economic arrangements, but this takes the cake. Do they have any empirical evidence that marginal tax rates affect college attendance and that the Bush tax cuts have increased college attendence? Of course not! On the contrary, there are good counterexamples: For example, a large number of vetrans of WWII went to college under the G.I. bill even though marginal tax rates were much higher at that time.
The thing that is discourgaging young people from going to college is the increasing cost of doing so, which has far exceeded the rate of inflation. And there is extensive empirical evidence supporting the proposition that if the cost of something increases, people buy less of it.
To increase college attendance, let's undo the tax giveways for the haves and have mores and use part of the additional revenue to provide much more generous assistance with tuition that will not leave students hopelessly in debt after they graduate. If these people were really interested in promoting college attendance instead of supporting the vested interests of the haves and have mores, they would support this kind of policy.
There is a class war going on and the rich are winning!
May 29, 2007 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
You mean they have to go to college to work for the Hoover Institute?
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
May 29, 2007 9:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps, but not to be an economist.
May 29, 2007 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Under Herbert Hoover the U.S. economy had the worst performance in its history. So the question arises, why would anyone want to name and economic belief tank after him?
The best explanation is that the institute's objective is to undo the New Deal. Like Archie Bunker, they want a President like Herbert Hoover again.
May 29, 2007 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
By this logic, we should be able to completely eliminate drug use by legalizing it and simply taxing it heavily.
-Dave Adams-
May 29, 2007 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
. . . the increased earnings gap [is] caused by education . . . . Becker & Murphy
. . . [Becker & Murphy] tend to frame this argument in terms of the rising earnings of college relative to non-college graduates. But . . . . Jared Bernstein
Jared!
You and Mishel say the "college/high school" premium is 45%; Becker & Murphy say it's 70% ("the wage premium received by college-educated workers compared with high school graduates"). That's a huge difference.
Who's right?
May 29, 2007 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good question...
We are! (you knew I'd say that...)
Our premium is regression-adjusted, which is the way labor economists like to look at this. It controls for differences in a variety a characteristics, as we describe in our brief:
"The chart shows the trend in the college wage premium just noted, adjusted for the set of relevant factors that labor economists typically control for in this type of analysis, including age, race, gender, region where workers live, and marital status."
Note also that their data, even without the adjustment, shows the slowing/flattening of the college wage advantage post-95 (though less so for advanced degree workers).
May 29, 2007 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
May 29, 2007 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
You exaggerate. Some of my best friends are economists. They seem OK if a bit hyper-empirical.
It is even possible that 10% of economists are perfectly sensible and even morally sound.
global citizen
May 29, 2007 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think conservatives put out arguments like this to show off to liberals justs how little is required to make money as a pundit on their side. Without the constraint of reality holding them back, I imagine it's a big game behind the scenes, trying to come up with the most ludicrous argument that can be sold to a large number of people.
PT Barnum would have been proud.
May 29, 2007 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before I read the rest of the post, I expected the rationale to be something like the taxes will be the difference between a high-income family being able to afford to send a child to college and not. But the real rationale is so much sillier; it sounds like a parody.
May 29, 2007 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just to be clear, the quote comes right out of their piece, to which I link.
You want to draw a distinction between what they 'argue' and what they 'conclude,' go ahead, but the point remains the same.
May 29, 2007 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jared, can you explain in a bit more detail how this premium is derived? Are you, Becker, and Murphy comparing average income, median income, or something else? If you are looking at average income rather than median, I'm not sure the calculated premium would be very useful, since just a few very highly paid people (like CEOs) with college degrees and/or postgraduate degrees would make the premium look more significant than it actually is for the majority of people with college and postgraduate degrees.
May 29, 2007 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Economist A; "Its clear with sunshine."
Economist B; "I see a torrential downpour."
Economist C; "Its snowing."
I think Economists learn all they need to know in their first year of study; the second year of study simply confuses all they learned in the first year. Ergo, contradictory weather reports.
May 29, 2007 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think I forgot to conclude my own point, which is that they don't provide any sort of supporting evidence for their conclusion. It just appears out of thin air at the end of their article.
May 29, 2007 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
The rationale you're describing to justify a regressive tax structure isn't simply vodoo economics, it's bizzaro economics. Their arguments are so throroughly discredited and this is what they have left? Kids might not go to college because Democrats will raise taxes on the wealthy? As Ali said to George Formeman: George is that the best you got?
Intrepid Liberal Journal
May 29, 2007 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The way we do it in the EPI brief to which I link is the standard practice which I believe gives you an unbiased measure of the wage premium for college grads.
We're taking the average hourly wage for college grads and comparing it to the avg wg for high-school grads, controlling for the stuff noted above. If you did this with the median, you'd get the same result--rising steeply in 80s, less so in 90s, and high but flat in 2000s.
May 29, 2007 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jared, after reading your EPI brief, I want to point out to other readers who may have missed it: this link is a far more productive one than that leading to the nonsense written by Becker and Murphy. Jared's EPI brief actually has something interesting to say. Read that to learn something. Read Becker and Murphy only to laugh . . . or weep . . .
May 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is that Hoover is still popular among Big Business Republicans because they still admire the masterful way he ordered MacArthur to quash all of those breadline riots.
-Dave Adams-
May 29, 2007 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The topic you'ver raised, Jared, is an important one. Republican economists have been quite successful in using "incentive" arguments to justify their call for lower taxes on wealthy income earners. You are right to ridicule them whenever they are used to defend ludicrous policy proposals.
I wonder if you are aware of a market-based counter-argument that heterodox economists should be able to use to completely discredit the 'incentive' argument whenever it is raised? It goes something like this:
Because (A) markets work, and (B) a [no-loophole] Progressive Income Tax collects money in a way that always preserves each taxpayer's relative position within the hierarchy of all disposable incomes, each taxpayer is spared the decline in purchasing power it would otherwise have experienced if only she had paid the tax.
Suppose Congress were to make the income tax more steeply progressive. If you are a rich person, no matter how steeply Congress increases your rate of taxation, those who earned more pre-tax income than you would end up with more disposable income than you after everyone pays her taxes. Those who earned less pre-tax income than you would end up with less disposable income than you after everyone pays her taxes.
Because we have a market economy, this across-the-board reduction in disposable incomes means that prices in luxury markets would not hold, since there would be fewer dollars in the hands of rich people that they could throw at luxury consumables. Prices would be forced down to levels that the wealthy could still afford. Lower disposable incomes would buy the wealthy just as much as higher disposable incomes would have bought them previously. The purchasing power of their incomes would remain unchanged.
If rich people end up with the same purchasing power even after they've paid steeply higher income taxes, then how can it be said that higher across-the-board tax rate increases would actually present any kind of disincentive?
(For an elaboration of these arguments, you might want to read The Progressive Income Tax: Theoretical Foundations. Cornell's Robert H. Frank seemed to think they were quite persuasive; perhaps you will also...)
May 29, 2007 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Humans are such facinating creatures. We are obcessed with numbers even when we have no idea what they mean. Try to explain to someone that there is no such thing as money; it is an imaginary concept, like points in a game.
Your labor is worth what someone will give you for it. Money is just a concept that eases the trade of labor.
People become angry when the government takes away their points. They just can't visualize that if the system were structured differently they might have more points, but be able to trade for less per point.
It doesn't help that our system is so arbitrary, that some people are awarded millions of points for being pleasant figureheads with the right connections while hard working people who actually build things are awarded mere thousands.
Why is that? Because the pleasant figureheads decide how the points are distributed. If brickmasons decided who got paid what, I think I know who would be the best paid people. Unfortunately the masons are too busy creating wealth to spend their time deciding how to distribute it.
May 29, 2007 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very interesting stuff. I found the part about prices provocative, and wonder about these relations. Does the article have any empirical analysis of this part of the argument?
I read the intro/bullet points and will read the rest ASAP.
May 29, 2007 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it an interesting coincidence that TPM is currently hosting a debate over the value of heterodox economic contributions at the same time that I am explaining to you why my theoretical arguments are not presented in the kind of format that the Economic Elite would find acceptable. I'm so heterodox that I don't even have the Ph.D. that would guarantee [only] that the eventual rejection of my theoretical contributions by orthodox economics journal editors would be expressed with the deepest respect. :)
May 30, 2007 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink