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Imus & "Friday Night Lights"

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I just received an e-mail from a TPM reader who complained that I'm devoting too much space to the Imus controversy. "American popular culture is a cesspool. It will remain such whether Imus stays or goes."

Not a bad point, except for one thing. American popular culture is getting better all the time, especially television. Don't even get me started on "Six Feet Under" which, in my opinion, was the best show EVER on television, cable or regular. I merely submit, for the record, "Friday Night Lights" which is, in my opinion, the finest show ever on regular commercial (NBC) television.

Back in my day, television was a cesspool. Maybe that is too harsh a word. But growing up with the tube, I saw nothing but straight white gentile males (and their servile wives and kids) living the perfect all-American life in the burbs. No need to elaborate. It's a cliche.

Not a single commercial in my youth featured a black face.

Compare that to television today. The idea of "Will & Grace" alone would have sent folks in the 1950's-1990's grabbing their smelling salts.

On the "Law and Order" franchise, virtually every judge is a black female. Gays and Jews are everywhere, and not just stereotypes either.

But the best show on television today is "Friday Night Lights" which is the first show ever to depict, in a genuine way, the ultimate rite of passage in American life: high school. An hour of "FNL" leaves me breathless, not shocked, but rather transported into the unsettling lives of American teenagers today. It's perfect, and it is not only thoroughly integrated, it deals with issues of race.

Back in the day, my day, a FNL would have been inconceivable. Of course, so were loudmouth racists like Don Imus. In the old days, racism was everywhere but it was not shouted at you from the airwaves.

The good news is that Imus is anomolous and a show like FNL (at least, in terms of its racial attitudes) is the wave of the future.

A couple of years ago, my wife and I were having a late Friday night nosh at a McDonalds in some small town in Mississippi. All of a sudden the football team walked in after a game, sweaty and noisy and each jock with his "girl."

The thing that struck us was that the group was so integrated. Some of the couples were too. The next day in Montgomery, Alabama, we saw a black teenage male kiss his blond white girlfriend goodbye at another Mc D's where (I could tell from his uniform) he worked.

Holy shit! This kid probably doesn't even know that a kiss like that could have produced his death a generation ago!

So America, in some ways, and little by little, is getting better.

Imus is an ugly reminder of the bad old days. It is one we don't need.

Okay, I used this column to plug "Friday Night Lights." But so what? There is a connection and besides y'all need to watch this show.


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I remember our first TV, a round screen black and white Muntz, circa 1950. I remember Frontier Playhouse, always a new cowboy movie. Kukla, Fran and Ollie, Hopalong Cassidy, Texaco Star Theater.

In my opinion the best coming of age series
was The Wonder Years, but then again I came of age in the 30s and the only coming of age then was "Our Gang" (The Little Rascals.)

American popular culture is getting better all the time, especially television.

Hmmm. Something we disagree on. A rare occurence. Judging quality by the best is an error. The median is a better way. And it ain't pretty.

One part of he Imus story that I find fasinating is the elitism of many in MSM. Journalists and politicians knew of the tenor of Imus' program and still appeared. David Gregory, Andrea Mitchell, Tim Russert, Chris Mathews, Mike Barnacle, Jeff Greenfield, Lou Dobbs, Carville & Begala, as well as a host of politicians were comfortable with the show's format.
Clarence Page was banned after eliciting a pledge from Imus not to use racially inflammatory terms. Gwen Ifill was either too busy or just never felt comfortable going on the show. Of course TPMCafe's favorite DLC member, Harold Ford, was supported by Imus in his bid for the US Senate from Tennessee. Imus provided a forum for editors at Time and Newsweek, as well as Maureen Dowd.
The uniting theme, those who were appearing on Imus, could be considered to be a part off the group that was providing less and less news with zero context and historical perspective.
The other fascinating aspect that I have posted about previously is the elevation of rappers to be the gold standard for language in the US. As long as a rapper has used a word, it is now a double-standard if a professional journalist cannot use the word. My cynical side suggests that we should now go back to the California teachers who were teaching Ebonics and request that they write the new dictionary to be used in journalism and politics.
:)

Actually I found the fact that ER and Grey's Anatomy was depicting African-American professional interesting, evenif I never watched fulll episodes.


I stopped watching TV years ago and haven't wanted to look back ever since.

I don't watch all that much television (14-16 hours a day) but, honest to God, "Six Feet Under" was better than anything I have ever seen in theater or anywhere else. HBO is pretty amazing.

And, as I said, "Friday Night Lights" is great.

I grew up on "Donna Reed," "My Three Sons" and other shows of that ilk which I loved. Back then, I would not have noticed that those shows were not exactly cinema verite.

I kind of wish I was born back in the days of radio drama. By the time I came along, television dominated our lives and I am, in my own way, addicted to it.

Have to agree with you about "Friday Night Lights" - I wanted to dislike the show tremendously, but it gradually won me over. However, since reality TV and obnoxious game shows are the norm and FNL the exception, I wouldn't hurry to declare a new era in American pop culture just yet.

J. McCutchen

"The Wire" is the best show on TV...next to the Imus Clusterfc*k

How tiresome this is. Imus is the most watched show on MSNBC...

Why do you think that is?

And does anyone really think that Dan Abrams isn't going to pee when on his return, Imus's share jumps even higher?

Kind of an aside, as I don't really watch much TV, but ER had other kinds of integrity. I found a writers' guide for them, in which the medical advisors spelled out what were acceptable changes in medical reality that were firmly justified for dramatic effect. These ranged from not using appropriate masks because facial expressions were needed, having drugs work fast enough to fit the available time, and having far better than real-world resuscitation success.

Writers were expected to clear other variations, and scripts were checked. In later years, I definitely had the impression that scripts were being written on a quite timely basis, reflecting active discussions on emergency medicine mailing lists.

Some details, or vignettes, hit personally. Without getting into unpleasant detail, there was one scene in which Carter, still a medical student, ran out of a treatment room, horrified by the particular patient. Benson, very much the cold surgeon in most situations, held the sobbing Carter in the corridor, telling him that if he managed to get through that, nothing would ever be worse. While it was a different patient presentation, I remembered running out myself, and having another previously cold resident talk me through it. I wish I could remember his name, and thank him, many years later.

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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

HC is right.
ER. Hill Street Blues. St. Elsewhere. Northern Exposure. Chicago Hope.
Probably a few dozen more.

Friday Night Lights is so completely overrated. It's treacly and boring. I don't understand how people can even watch it.

OK,

Favorite character in a sit-com

Jim Ignatowski in Taxi.

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I haven't seen FNL, but The Wire is almost impossibly brilliant.

Favorite TV shows?

WKRP in Cincinnati, Soap, Taxi, The Bob Newhart Show, and Barney Miller...I stopped watching commercial TV about 1980.

Favorite character?  It's a tough call.  There are 3 right up there for me; Reverend Jim from Taxi, Les Nessman or Dr. Johnny Fever from WKRP. :-p

In defense of popular culture: sure a lot of it is really really stupid, but it also is strong. Invincible really.

It can take just about anything and absorb it. Look at the Mooninnite Bomb fiasco. By the time of the press conference, people were holding signs mocking the connection to 9-11. Gary Brolsma has now made a not-insubstantial amount of money. And it's not like other cultures don't do similar things.... Nevada-tan springs to mind.

Perhaps I'm conflating American pop culture as a whole with more niche cultures (VH1, Adult Swim, etc.) but I rather like that aspect of it.

NBC has been sorely disappointed with FNL, because it has been a critically acclaimed show. I suspect one of the reasons for its popular failure should have been a tip-off to the outcome of the 2006 elections.

George Bush has poisoned Texas itself for most Americans. It's not a question of quality or star appeal for the FNL -- its the setting. The rejection of the Bush Presidency has spread to the fictional programs about its cradle, Texas.

NBC picked the wrong year to try to sell a Texas-based story to the American people. The public increasingly wants nothing to do with Bush, his party or his home state.

There is, of course, the genre of so bad that it's good. The one-shot category includes Amazon Women on the Moon, Plan 9 from Outer Space, and Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. I have mixed feelings about Attack of the Killer Bimbos, since the cast, try as they would to hide it, would slip into good acting.

Ahh, but those who could keep it up enduring awfulness. My Mother the Car, which made Mr. Ed seem like Franz Kafka. Lost in Space. Ben Casey.

At the other end of the spectrum, those that could do tragedy and keep doing it, including Law & Order, SVU. There were those that were superb, but got little attention -- Call to Glory, with Craig T. Nelson a very different role. Both Star Trek: New Generation and Deep Space Nine, although they needed a season or two.

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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

hehehe...

 

What does a yellow light mean?

Slow down.

WWWWHHHHAAAAAAATTTT DOOOOOEEEEESSSS AAAAAAAA YEEEEEEELLLLLLOOOOOWWWW LIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHTTT MEEEAAAANNNN?

 

:-P

Better depiction of High School than Veronica Mars (before she went on to college)? Maybe it's the difference between Texas and So California.

HAHAHAHHA, yes :-)


The public phone on the wall in the TAXI garage rings.

Jim goes over and answers, saying, "hello."

Jim then turns to the other people and says; "Is Jim Ignatowski here?"

Alex says 'Jim, you're Jim Ignatowski."

Jim says: "Oh, well...... am I here?" :-)

Imus is and always was a shock jock. I thought that Patton bit was funny. One thing not to be overlooked here was this was simply not funny.

As a shock jock, Imus has no filter between his brain and mouth. The brain is that of a scrappy white kid who made it big mouthing off. Under these circumstances, it's not surprising that people will find his schtick offensive.

But even Imus's critics will admit the appeal of his show is not primarily prurient. MSM goes there. Politico's go there. They go there because he offers a unique platform. I don't listen to the show because I found the guests insipid and the humor simply not funny. I love Howard Stern!

Imus will not and should not be fired so long as there is an audience for his speech. His station is in business to make a profit and people want to listen to him. Removing him from the air will do nothing, but encourage the thinking that Imus, in part, represents underground.

Imus, Stern and the like are useful barometers of our psyche. I think dragging Imus out of his station and making him apologize, which must torture his ego to no end, sends a better message than removing him from the air. It is a well deserved public rebuke.

Of course he'll do it again. And he'll apologize again. I think the process is therapeutic, but I don't agree that combatting his speach is best served by removing it in light of the obvious audience.

All told there are far bigger issues to worry about than one "cantankerous old fool."

I have to disagree that Friday Night Lights is "the first show ever to depict, in a genuine way, the ultimate rite of passage in American life: high school." The short-lived NBC series Freaks & Geeks deserves that honor. Truly a great, great show.

J. McCutchen

NEW YORK - Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said Wednesday the broadcasting company needs a "zero tolerance policy" on racism and hopes talk-show host Don Imus is fired for his demeaning remarks about the mostly black Rutgers women's basketball team.

Enough is enough people! Last night on MSNBC the network's media correspondent flagellated himself for not being critical of Imus.

"All of us in the media should be ashamed!" he whined


My God! Fire Imus? Please....starting with Mr. Gordon and ending with Rush Limbaugh, the entire US MSM establishment should resign for their sychophantic of the Bush regime and its catastrophic wars...

The uncivility, the vulgarity, the bigotry has not disappeared it has moved to radio and above all to the Web. The latter with the extra bonus that it can be done anyonmously complete with sanctimony.

Daniel A. Greenbaum

I read the book and loved it. Does that count?

I don't know about that. I think a lot of its problems in building an audience lie with NBC's decision to premiere it against Monday Night Football and the baseball playoffs.

and Night Court

Friday Night Lights is really quality broadcast television.  The imagery is especially evocative.  But I only watched the first couple of episodes because I don't like soap operas.  As pretty and well-done as it is, that's what Friday Night Lights is.

 

Ted Knight in Mary Tyler Moore Show

How could I forget to put Night Court on my list?  Great show Emma, lol.  Bull had to be my favorite character on that show. :-)

LMAO...yep I remember that one, HAHAHA.

How 'bout the one where Louie walks over to Jim, who was sitting by the aforementioned pay phone, with a pair of pliers and twists Jim's ear lobe REAL hard.  Then 20 minutes later from off camera you hear Jim yell...OOOOOWWWWWWW!!! :-)

 

Priceless. :-)

Lets not forget Larry Linville playing Frank Burns on M A S H.

I remember one episode where he drives a tank. Hilarious.

Don't you ever lighten up?

What's your favorite TV show?

Mine's American Idol.

Go Sanjaya!!!!!!!!!

 


I hate to say this is still a disguised postg about Imus.  Why is there no discussion of Gonzalez?

I have had creepy experiences in real life, and high among them was realizing that I was dealing with a physician that was a parody of Frank Burns, except without showing his skill.

Another was a very intense period of work. I was approaching 48 hours, with a few collapses on a desk or behind it. It was night, and strangely quiet. I looked around me, on giant ramps, with walls of dingy green paint, odd crates, reminiscent of the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark scattered around. Indeed, I had a sense of being trapped in a really low-budget science fiction movie.

Snapping to my senses, I realized I was in the basement of the Pentagon, and that's what it looks like.


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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

Thanks for recognizing 6FU for it's brilliance. Best show ever. I still miss it. And hey - it was educational. I actually understood what happened to Senator Johnson!

You're right about FNL, I can't remember watching a better TV series. It is sooooo damn good. Even if you don't like football or Texas or mankind in general, every episode will bring tears to your eyes. Even the minor characters are beautifully written and acted.

The show never lets you forget that everyone in life is fighting a great battle, so maybe try to be a little kinder. For anyone who hasn't watched it before, NBC has the entire season archived online for free. So click on the link below, sit back and try out the pilot. I bet you'll be hooked and if you're not-- you can always go back to wasting the evening reading blogs. :o) http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/friday_night_lights_01.shtml

sorry if that link doesn't work, might be easier to cut and paste to this:
http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/friday_night_lights.shtml

we should hold people responsible for what they say

To say that we should hold people responsible for what they say is almost a platitude. Who else are you going to hold responsible? I mean they say it so they are responsible for what they say. A parallel rule applies to actions. We hold people responsible for their actions. But here is the interesting part. We hold people responsible for the actions that are intentional. Indeed an action is not considered an action proper unless it has an intention behind it.

Unintentional actions that cause another person's death are not, by law, considered acts of murder.

But suppose the person intended to achieve one thing by his/her action but it resulted in something else. That is: actions often have unintended consequences.

Speech is a kind of action. Was what Imus said an intentional piece of verbiage or did it just drool out of his mouth like saliva sometimes does? I don't know. It seems that Imus has a habit of making these kinds of remarks. Does habitually insulting people signify that it must be intentional since if it was accidental, the person would not repeatedly have the same kind of accident?

Ok let's say that evidence shows that Imus' remark was intentional in the sense that it was not an accident, but a matter of habit.
What was he intending to do? Was he intending to get himself fired? Did he think it would pass unnoticed? Did he not realize the danger he was putting himself in in saying such a thing on his show for everyone to hear?

My diagnosis is that Imus just could not control himself sufficiently to stop it from happening. He must have realized ( while he was saying it perhaps) that it was going to get him into trouble; possibly be the end of his career. Is he self-destructive? I think the explanation is that he is compulsive about it. A person who suffers from a verbal compulsions is not fully in control of what s/he says. That's Imus' problem.

p.s. that he is a racist goes without saying. My point is that he is compulsive about it and thus self-destructive unlike those pious media types who feign shock, shock, shock at such (public) behavior.

Look, at this point I don't care how much Imus helps make American popular culture a cesspool. I'm bent out of shape about how Bush/Cheney are making a cesspool of the American government.

P.S.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the coolest show ever on TV, but TV's single funniest moment was the Chuckles the Clown episode on the Mary Tyler Moore show. Second-best was when they tried to blow up the dead whale on the beach back in the late 70s, only that was for real...

Gotta agree on Friday Night Lights.

I followed my wife's career to Central Texas a few years ago. Previously we lived in Seattle and Juneau. And I gotta say this show absolutely NAILS the small town high school reality like no show I have ever seen. I'm now teaching at a local high school and know of what I speak. They get everything absolutely right.

Interestingly, the show gets better and better the less actual football they show. The most compelling episodes have been those with no football scenes at all. They film it around the Austin area so that really is what Texas looks like. Unlike that silly show Jerico, for example, in which the obvious mountains and foothills of Southern California stand in for the pancake flat plains of western Kansas.

My wife had no interest in the show when it first came out but now cannot miss an episode. The romance between the coach and his wife is the most real portrayal of marriage I have ever seen on TV. And the awkward romances between the high school students transport me back 25 years to my high school days like no high school show I have ever seen.

The show gives me chills it is so good.

Of course NBC in its wisdom has matched it against Dancing with the Stars and American Idol so WTF do they expect if it doesn't get ratings.

Oh, and by the way, the creator of Friday Night Lights was interviewed by Terry Gross on Fresh Air yesterday. Interesting listening for anyone who is curious about the show.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9515506

You gotta good point there, cscs.  Let's say it's true that the telephone techies in Mumbai are keeping Sanjaya afloat - doesn't that sort of redefine "American pop-culture?"  "America" is splooging out of its confines.  Wouldn't a high-school melodrama set in Rio Grande del Sul be as appropriate as one set in Tejas? 

MJ might be too young to remember Richard Boone Theater also.  But dang, he's not too young to remember Carol Burnett.  I wonder why that didn't qualify as great TV.   

Personally, the best show on TV today is the Henry Waxman show on C-SPAN.  Runner-up is the Pat Leahy show, also on C-SPAN.   

But me?...I'm torn between Melinda and LaKisha.  Sanjaya is growing on me, though.  I just realized that he's a bit better than Menudo.  But even if my wife didn't force me to watch American Idol, I doubt I would watch Friday Night Lights - I was a beatnik in my high-school days, and high-school culture was incomprehensible to me.  It still is.

I can't sign-off without mentioning Hill Street Blues - probably the best TV production ever.  Generally, I'm not amused at all by cop shows, but Hill Street Blues crossed an important milestone to distinguish itself.  Besides, when it came into my life it filled an emptiness created by the demise of Barney Miller. ;-) 

Neoboho

Or jim bumps into the phantom box that had been mimed by another character a few minutes earlier in the episode.

Neoboho

My diagnosis is that Imus just could not control himself sufficiently to stop it from happening. He must have realized ( while he was saying it perhaps) that it was going to get him into trouble; possibly be the end of his career. Is he self-destructive? I think the explanation is that he is compulsive about it. A person who suffers from a verbal compulsions is not fully in control of what s/he says. That's Imus' problem.

I disagree. I think his whole schtick, with the constant racist and sexist inuendo was really a carefully cultivated persona designed for one purpose only, to capture an audience and increase his ratings. Imus wanted to be a bad boy and market himself as such to his primarly white male audience who laughs at that bullshit. And it was very very lucrative for a long time. Of course he is racist and sexist. That stuff doesn't come from nowhere. He chose to let it out for fame and fortune. That's really the most vile part of this whole episode. I can understand the disgruntled racist old coots who grouch and grumble in the seedy bar down the street. They are who they are. But Imus chose to make his fortune that way. It was his choice every step of the way.

What happened to Imus was two things. First the times changed on him to some extent. Second, he tried to have it both ways. If he had never tried to be the political guru and Larry King style kingmaker of MSNBC then no one much would have paid attention to his ravings. But since he decided to become a media kingmaker he opened himself up to much more scrutiny.

Finally he just stepped over the line by making it personal. Thats perhaps his biggest error. George Allen was running a perfectly successful Senate campaign as a not-so-closeted racist and neo-confederate. And people just shrugged about it. His huge mistake was personally attacking a SPECIFIC young man with racial slurs. You NEVER make it personal. If Imus had been ranting about women's basketball in general no one would have really noticed. You hear that sort of stuff all the time on sports talk. But no, he made a very personal and vile attack on 12 young women from Rutgers. Women who have faces and families. Women who were not professional public figures. And that's a line you just don't cross. Especially when you have a microphone provided by public corporations over the public airwaves that goes out to hundreds of stations.

How does it measure against Welcome Back Carter?

Neoboho

. . . he made a very personal and vile attack on 12 young women . . . who were not professional public figures.

This analysis seems right to me. The issue is fairness and justice, the power of the corporate microphone as opposed to the impotence of the rest of us. As someone said -- Vivian Stringer, maybe -- "they didn't deserve this."

But what was Imus attacking? Was it the women's beauty*? And in today's sexualized culture, is that the equivalent of attacking our grandmothers' chastity?

* I don't think this is about racism or sexism. I think it is about beauty. And I think that these women did not -- merely by the fact of appearing in a nationally televised athletic contest -- open themselves up to public scrutiny of their physical appearance.

The other fascinating aspect that I have posted about previously is the elevation of rappers to be the gold standard for language in the US. As long as a rapper has used a word, it is now a double-standard if a professional journalist cannot use the word.

And that "gold standard" effect precedes rappers significantly, wouldn't you agree? I remember a couple of friends in Compton patiently coaching me on how to pronounce "Wha's happenin" just right in the early 60s, and it goes further back in history than that, obviously. Spike Lee treated that skillfully (and ironically) in Bamboozled, which I'm reading as the primer for this Imus controversy.  More than anything, what I "read" in Lee's work was that there are rules.  Free Speech is a good idea, probably, but it's not really free at all in the Superior Court of Culture.  Black actors in blackface created a smashing TV hit in the story (Lee's salute to Mel Brooks for The Producers), but it leads the protagonist, Delacroix, into his acknowledgement of self-destruction, just as Gene Wilder and Zero Mostel end up in jail for their violations in The Producers.

So I'm wondering if the seat of this Imus affair, albeit subliminal, is the contest of the concept of free speech versus the rules of speech in society?  Viewed this way, is it comparable to the affair of the Danish cartoons that mugged Islamic culture?   

Here's an interesting twist concerning cultural influence. While Joplin and his colleagues got the lion's share of credit for the Ragtime hits in the early 20th century, a significant number of these hits were written by white, middle-class housewives in the U.S.  In 1900 white culture, piano playing was considered to be unmanly, thus it was women who used the instrument.  Ragtime was the big style, and these women would sit in their parlors and compose Ragtime tunes.  The musicologist I heard on NPR talking about this didn't go into the circulation aspect of this, unfortunately (how the music, which was never formally published, circulated in culture to end up in at the keyboards of Black musicians.)  But it did, and this isn't to discredit compositions by Joplin or anyone else.  "Intellectual Property" wasn't much of an issue in 1900, it seems.  

Neoboho

I'm not sure Sanjaya redefines American pop-culture, but I am sure he is forcing the producers of AI to take a good, hard look at what they've created, and how they're going to keep it moving forward.

Hill Street Blues is up there on anyone's list of the best. It really was the first TV show to, as you say, cross a certain line of quality, where people realized the medium could be taken seriously.

Dissent Protects Democracy.

Howard, when I was a high-school senior I got a job at Bertrand Smith's Acres of Books, which old Bertrand touted as the largest second-hand bookstore in the world.  He was moving his store in downtown Long Beach, Ca to a larger building - my duties were to help with the move and organize the art books, which he previously kept locked up because people would tear out prints from their bindings.

One of my co-workers was a wino and a pretty creepy guy.  When we got to section where Civil War era publications were shelved, he became obsessed with the collection of Civil War medical books in Smith's collection - a couple of thousand volumes as I recall, lavishly illustrated in full color lithographs of the most horrible wounds you could imagine (well, maybe not you).  I found them threatening and repulsive in a big way - they really rattled my 17 year old soul.  But this guy would keep finding the real grusome illustrations and sticking them in my face;  "Wow, look at this one!"  I can't tell you how happy I was when we moved on to the thousands of volumes of Harpers from the same era.

And you might find this interesting.  The store was really dusty and filthy.  Smith bought books from estate auctions all over the world.  I got a bite, probably a spider, on my right elbow at some point, and I scratched it as it itched.  A few days later I developed this sort of boil on my elbow - it had a core of whitish material in the center.  A few days after that three more sprang up, and the center of the first one came out, and it was a deep hole that looked like it went all the way into my elbow joint.  At that point I went to the doctor, but he was baffled and didn't have any idea what it was.  He gave me some topical treatment in the meantime, and a few days later called me back into his office.  He had consulted with some other doctors and discovered that I was infected with a rare Malay impetigo.  While the infection was in the books, so was the cure!

Neoboho

I guess you could call any serialized TV show a "soap opera." But if you're doing a close and serious examination of TV and popular culture, I'm not sure FNLs is really a soap opera.

Is Sopranos a soap opera, too?

 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

Did you get Beanie and Cecil (the sock-puppets version) and Howdy Doody? 

And a decade later we got Soupy Sales, who grew up and changed his name to Russ Feingold. 

Soupy 

Russ

Neoboho

Interesting point about medical illustration then and now. There is a superb small handbook by Asher and Mattox, Ken Mattox probably being the dean of trauma surgery, called Top Knife: The Art & Craft in Trauma Surgery . It's different in focus (and about $140 cheaper) than the massive textbook Trauma by Moore, Feliciano and Mattox, which is on my wish list, or the older Johns Hopkins The Management of Trauma, which is on my shelf.

Top Knife purely deals with what a trauma surgeon does in the operating room, especially with something challenging. I don't think there's a single photograph in it, as is the case with a great many medical books. Surgical illustrations often are done by people who are physicians and artists, or at least artists with a great deal of medical training. Often, the best illustrations are black and white, so you can see clearly that you need to cut between two structures that really are just part of a wet and colorful view in the patient.

Some of my other books do have photographs, black & white or color as appropriate, which tend to be used to help diagnose. Color is most useful for things like rashes. I can think of some photographs, in B&W, that did cause my stomach to flip a couple of times before seeing that.

So, you'd actually find a lot less gore and more information in modern textbooks for professionals. As to some pop culture things, I've heard surgeons comment on a horror flick that they didn't see as much blood in a battlefield hospital. After all, a large part of surgery is making sure the blood stays in the patient.

Apropos of your mystery bite, my grandfather was in the wholesale produce business. He'd often bring home "hands" of bananas, which is a bunch of bunches, several feet long, and pass out bunches to our neighbors.

Unfortunately for my grandmother, the bananas weren't all that were always imported from South America. Hey, when I was six or seven, I thought the giant spiders and assorted snakes were rather neat, about as fascinating as my grandmother high-jumping to the kitchen table where she could scream more comfortably. Funny, though -- in those days, I was scared of cats.

I worked in a hospital lab in high school, and my all-time triumph was with a slightly above mundane job, doing microscopic analyses of urine. You really don't want to know about the least pleasant jobs in a hospital lab. Anyway, I was doing the usual cell counts, and this strange, beautiful, and fairly large thing swam by. Shortly thereafter, I saw more, and tried to remember where I had seen them.

It turned out that Johns Hopkins had forgotten to ask this businessman about foreign travel. Peon that I was, I spotted the flukes (parasites) he had picked up while swimming in Egypt a couple of months before.
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Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]

"You really don't want to know about the least pleasant jobs in a hospital lab."

Plating fecal samples for bacti.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I was sure that you were leading up to those Amazon fish that swim up your urethra if you make the mistake of pissing while in the river.  That would have looked like a giant sea bass under your microscope.

Neoboho

Was it Renko and Hill who found the human arm in a dumpster?  As I recall, it was Hill who had the bravery to fetch it and see it wore a wristwatch: "Lookie here, a Timex.  Takes a lickin but it keeps on tickin." (holding the arm and watch to his ear.)

And they dropped a stolen cow from a 5th floor apartment building by accident.  Now that's creative. 

Neoboho

Nahhh...right end, but what you describe is much more elegant than assessing the success of tapeworm therapy by finding if the head has been expelled.

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

"Working where the Sun don't Shine: the Colorectal Surgeon's Song.". Better a colonoscopy than a Cheney?

But if you're doing a close and serious examination of TV and popular culture, I'm not sure FNLs is really a soap opera. 

I'm not.

Is Sopranos a soap opera, too?

I don't know. I've never watched the Sopranos.  Does each show have a beginning, middle and end? or at least a storyline that is eventually resolved?  When FNL ends, I'll probably watch the whole series but I don't like being strung along week after week indefinitely.  For me, TV is escape -- not capture.

That's exactly my point. He is compulsive about insulting people personally. He can't help it. That does not excuse him, it merely explains why the guy threw away his career for such an idiotic thing.
You say he stepped over the line. He has been stepping over the line with personal attacks for years. He is not one whos prejudices are expressed in generalities, he always has a personal target. That's dangerous, I agree. So you say he did it--at least in part-- to cultivate an audience. A ratings thing. That's true. But he also could not help but be personally obnoxious.
I don't think we disagree. We are merely pointing out different aspects of the phenomenon.

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