News and Open Thread
Quick news: we'll be starting a conversation today on Mark Schmitt's new article in Democracy Journal, "Mismatching Funds." Mark looks at the 1990's effort from the perspective of a reform advocate to ask what went wrong and what's next. Writers and activists from around the campaign finance reform community have been invited to chime in (and others are certainly welcome). Mark's first post on the topic will go up soon.
For the thread, since TPM World HQ is still in full Purgegate mode, I'll pose the obvious question: how high will the resignations go? How high should they?















I was watching a film on global warming and as it was showing the ice sheet breaking up and falling into the ocean I thought it may be a metaphor for the Bush administration.
Isn't this the way Watergate started, like peeling an onion?
Who will go next, Cheney or Gonzalez?
March 14, 2007 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Alberto...
Ever since I first referenced "Pepino" in a post, I've been getting snarks about racism. Let me explain:
In the sixties there was a network show called "The Real McCoys", starring Walter Brennan as "Granpappy Amos". The story was about a family from Appalachia that had moved out from the great depression to California for a fresh start. They had a small farm and "employed" a migrant worker named "Pepino".
Whenever "Granpappy" had a dirty job to do, he started yelling for "Pepino"- "Pepino! Where is that gull-darn, lazy, good for nothin'- PEPINO!" And little "Pepino" would show up saying "Si, Senor Granpappy", and then do whatever "Granpappy" ordered him to do.
The only reason that I reference Gonzales as "Pepino" is that Tio Tomas is mixing the metaphor.
With all the hype surrounding Gonzales' appointment, first SA as AG, the poster boy for bootstraps theory, is that with his appointment came a different set of loyalties.
Gonzales no longer was the jefe to the patron. His new master should have been the Constitution, and he should have had the cojones to step up. Sadly, whenever "Granpappy George" or "Granpappy Karl" barked at him to come up with some specious legal argument so they could electro-shock the nuts off prisoners, he happily obliged. Si Senor Granpappy......
If Gonzales goes, shouldn't the ones who gave the orders go also?
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
March 14, 2007 7:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's take it to the top.
Here's another episode that shows in 3-D diorama clarity how utterly devoid of commitment to the basic principles of democracy these guys are. It's just mind boggling. The number of high officials in Executive and Justice participating in this game without shame, putting their shoulders behind an effort that is a clear subversion of the entire justice system. Corrupt from top to bottom. How can we allow these democracy-corroding power-addled fools to muck around in our affairs of state. Take 'em all down to the woodshed. Leave them there to rot.
March 14, 2007 7:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzales will go.
Bush should go, but won't.
I'm thinking he'll finish his term with an approval rating somewhere around 25%.
And then, somehow, the Democrats will fail to win the White House.
March 14, 2007 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the Democrats in Congress fail to make the Bush gang pay dearly for their actions they allow a precedent to be set for future Presidents to be just like Bush. The Imperial Presidency will live on and the public will be the ones to pay "dearly."
March 14, 2007 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rabbi Assaulted Near Auschwitz
Didn't hear 'bout this one, did you?
See, assaulted Rabbis are only newsworthy when they're not anti-Zionists, and when the people who assault them are not Israelis.
March 14, 2007 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Integrity isn't limited to Democrats. I suppose one has to be of a certain age, or a historian, to remember the Saturday Night Massacre during Watergate.
Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Special Prosecutor Cox. Richardson refused, and made a public resignation. Deputy Attorney General Ruckelshaus did the same thing. #3 was Solicitor General Bork, who apparently was prepared to resign as well, but told by Richardson and Ruckelshaus that they had made the point, and someone had to run Justice.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're working on the second (and final)loaf of Polish Rye bread I made yesterday.
March 14, 2007 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's an interesting wrinkle about Bork- I never would have believed him having that much integrity.
Remembering the massacre is what has brought this back so strongly. There were Repub politico's with both integrity and loyalty.
What happened to them?
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
March 14, 2007 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I always thought of him as principled but weird. A couple of notes from Wikipedia:
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You love that bread, huh?
March 14, 2007 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
And then, somehow, the Democrats will fail to win the White House.
It's a matter of incompetent execution: if we can be just like Bush, only better, we cannot fail to get the support of at least 38% of the electorate.
March 14, 2007 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
On March 14, 2007 - 2:02pm Andrew Golis said:
"You love that bread, huh?"
I make a variety of types of bread, all by hand, usually 2 loaves at a time, they don't last long. This Polish version of Rye is particularly good. (slabbed with butter, of course) :)
March 14, 2007 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you're off Atkins this week?
Hats off for the bread-making. I've only gone as far as pizza dough. One of these days, there's a loaf in my future...
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 14, 2007 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Once you start you may not be able to stop :)
There are numerous varieties, some simple some not so simple. Start with something easy; yeast, salt, warm water, flour.
Most recipies, by far, are for 2 loaves.
You also find each country has its basic bread, ingredients and shape.
Or you could just "LOAF" around the house. :)
Good luck.
March 14, 2007 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the whole waiting for the rise thing...
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 14, 2007 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
We need a Discussion Table to share recipes.
I've been teaching my daughter to cook and bake. Got a great recipe for dill bread and my pizza dough is the neighborhood draw.....
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
March 14, 2007 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such frivolity is frowned upon by the serious minds here at the Cafe.
:-)
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 14, 2007 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I took up cooking and baking when I retired back in the Pleistocene Epoch and I took to throwing away recipes that were just 'good' and kept only those that were eccellent. My collection is of Entrees', various ways to prepare vegetables;
cakes, pies, and of course breads. I even have the original recipe for Ceasar Salad, first created by a Mexican restraunteur.
I once made a chocolate cake that took 2 days ( an ingredient had to be refrigerated overnight)and cost a tad over $25.00 for the ingredients :)
I also made Stuffed Tomaotes once using some kind of liver pate'
for the stuffing. BLICH! One taste and they went right into the garbage disposal :)
March 14, 2007 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the multitudinous verses of "The Temperance Union".
This does, vaguely, remind me of something appropriate for some of the labor-management threads. Picture a cartoon of a fully uniformed Confederate general, holding a sign reading Union Unfair. Caption: "Pickett's Charge"...which leads to....
A question for researchers: Was "Look for the Union Label" the song of Stuart's cavalry on scouting missions?
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Howard
"Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot."
March 14, 2007 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I rarely use recipes, although I do like reading recipe books. Tom Collichio's "Think Like a Chef" is one of the best.
His approach is really excellent, because you can learn basic technique and apply it in many ways. So, instead of what do I want to make, it's, do I braise tonight, or roast? And apply whatever's at the market or on hand accordingly.
A lot of food is actually better as a two-day process. Certainly Italian tomato sauces, braises and stews, etc.
Not liver pate stuffed tomatoes, though. Props for trying, though.
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 14, 2007 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! So the yeast in bread was considered akin to alcohol?
I may have gotten drunk at dinner (more than once), but it had nothing to do with the bread.
Dissent Protects Democracy.
March 14, 2007 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sausage-making, I suppose, pertains to political recipes...or something like that.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually searching for very low carb bread recipes. Unfortunately, the standard ADA diabetic diet does not work for me, as I'm extremely sensitive to complex carbs. So, I'm hunting things based on buckwheat, soy, gluten, etc.
When I did do regular rye, I found one cross-cultural thing to be amazingly helpful. Rather than use conventional caraway, there's something called "black caraway", or kalonji in Indian groceries. Much, much better flavor than ordinary caraway -- which I doubt is botanically related.
My experimenting these days is with the art of yogurt, and perhaps some cheesemaking.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard-
Try the King Arthur Flour site-
www.bakingcircle.com
Great flour (hard red wheat), online store and low carb recipes.
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
March 14, 2007 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great flour, I agree. I'll have to check again to see if they have more low-carb; they didn't the last time I spoke to the hotline.
King Arthur is also good on equipment, as is a place called kitchenkrafts.com (note 2nd k). The latter is especially good for gadgets you didn't know you needed until you saw them. :-( Also very good for food preserving.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard, I wish I could help but I have no recipes for low carb bread.
March 14, 2007 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, those were the days, Howard! M.J. Rosenberg recently brought up the spate of Israeli gov't officials who were shamed into resigning through corruption/incompetence and asked if this signified that democracy was finished in Israel. My response was, hell no! We should be so lucky here! It's been decades since US gov't officials took responsibility for their failings by resigning. Now they just mouth the words, "I accept full responsibility" and go on in their jobs as if nothing had happened.
March 14, 2007 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somehow, I was reminded of an American newscaster that commented on the president of Japan Airlines "resigning in deep apology", and thinking that the reporter had a distinctly non-Japanese idea of the deepest form of apology.
Mind you, it was another newscaster who entertained with the horrified observation that the "Former Yugoslavia is becoming Balkanized!"
Seriously, it does annoy me when the baying mob of reporters, reminding me of a pack of angry toy poodles, shouts "will you resign?" at the slightest provocation.
Apropos of such packs, one lovely spring day, I was giving a seminar in the New York financial district, and decided to get a sandwich and have a walking lunch. As I turned onto a famous street, I saw a "professional" dog-walker, at a jog, almost losing control of a pack of slavering poodles and Pekinese.
Yes. With my own eyes, I saw the running dogs of Wall Street.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 14, 2007 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew: I wasn't really certain whether I should post this here, or start a new post under Cafe Management, but I seem to be having some problems with the site. The Rich Text Editor, over several days now, has been working only intermittantly, although I have it turned on by default. I've been trying to do HTML coding, not a pretty sight with my limited knowledge of it. For this post the editor seems to be working. I guess it's like those noises that suddenly disappear when the car is taken to the mechanic.
I also appear to be having problems with PMs. Two PMs that I sent today don't show up in my "Sent Items." (One was a PM to you, to advise you about a thread that had been flooded with spam.) Curiously, about a month ago, when I sent PMs, people were getting two copies and two copies showed up in my "Sent Items" as well.
Have there been other reports of problems? Any thoughts for me on how to resolve these issues?
Know your enemy well, for in the end that is who you become. ~~Old Chinese Proverb
March 14, 2007 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was wondering the same thing. Sent a PM to Andrew yesterday, and was thinking maybe it didn't go through 'cause I don't see it in "Sent Items." But then, I've never sent Andrew a PM before, so mebbe they're just not supposed to show up in there?
Happy pi day everyone, BTW.
March 14, 2007 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
nascardaughter: Well, I've sent two other PMs to Andrew, one that he responded to and one that he didn't. But both show up in my "Sent Items." Even if for some reason the ones to Andrew are no longer supposed to show up (I can think of no reason why that should be), the other one I sent today, to a regular TPM Cafe member, doesn't show up either, so apparently there is a real problem.
Whoops! Now that I take another look, the second PM that I sent previously to Andrew, the one that I thought he had just not responded to, doesn't show up in my "Sent Items" either! How odd.
Know your enemy well, for in the end that is who you become. ~~Old Chinese Proverb
March 14, 2007 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
pi Day????
I thought it was bread day.....:<)
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Iranians are fighting the Americans in Iraq so they don't have to fight them on the streets of Tehran
March 14, 2007 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bork's theoretical efforts exemplify the Godelian proof that all logical systems are incomplete and prey to paradox.
A different way of looking at Bork is that he is at root an authoritarian, and simply rationalizes a preference for a certain kind of society. I for one am glad he is mostly just talk, and not in any public office.
March 15, 2007 5:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
pi day started at midnight + 15 min, 56 sec (60 x 0.9265).
March 15, 2007 6:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
True. Sometimes very interesting and challenging, and sometimes definitely less so than a pair of doxies.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 15, 2007 7:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
March 15, 2007 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey all, I'll check into this, I don't think I've recieved anything. I've sent this over to Adam our tech support though.
Note, please feel free to email me rather than use the internal system.
March 15, 2007 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yum.
We don't need a recipe thread; we need a potluck dinner. You guys do all the cooking, and I'll bring the wine :-)
March 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Republican wine? "yeah, but Clinton did xxx..."
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" [George Santayana]
March 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
A point about that night. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus has already promised the Congress they would not fire Cox. That was a major factor in why they didn't. Bork had never made that pledge so there was less pressure on him not to do so.
As your post pointed out, things are often more intricate than it seems at first glance.
April 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink