Buzzin': Romney's Faith Test
I suspect Mitt Romney's candidacy, whatever its other successes and failures, will provide endless fodder for conversations on the pros, cons and contradictions of religion in US politics. Case in point: this past three-day weekend, responding to a voter who declared that because of his Mormonism he did "not know the Lord," he declared in Florida that:
"We need to have a person of faith lead the country."
Andrew Sullivan jumped on the statement, arguing that Romney's attempt at placing a religious test on the office equated fighting anti-Mormon bigotry with anti-atheist bigotry. Oliver Willis wondered aloud whether or not Romney has read the Constitution. Atrios worried about the slippery slope leading us to:
"We need to have a member of the Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915 to lead this country."
Our own Nathan Newman wasn't so worried.
Newman wrote here on Sunday:
I think it's a profound mistake for atheists to demand that such religious debates be taken out of the public sphere, since they will never be taken out of voters' minds. Instead, us progressive atheists should be engaging in that faith-based discussion more vigorously, laying out our belief systems and helping make voters comfortable with our viewpoint as part of the menu of "religious" options, not in order to convert them but just to integrate it into the terrain of debate that people are more familiar with.
But Atrios responded that he really didn't disagree. He just emphasizes that it's not simply a matter of atheists being willing to engage the debate to discuss their own beliefs, but also engage those of others without being called anti-religious bigots:
We believe different stuff. Especially to the extent that people want to keep shoving personal religion out into our political sphere, it's important examine those differences. And if we examine those differences, we're entitled to make decisions based on them. Otherwise, the implication is that someone's religious beliefs say something incredibly important about them, but we're not actually supposed to talk about exactly what that is.
Ed Kilgore, another Coffee Houser, agrees with Atrios but with one important caveat: the whole thing runs afoul when the line is crossed between criticizing someone's beliefs and criticizing their sincerity:
Here's how the regression from mockery of politics to mockery of religion to mockery of religious sincerity tends to work: Some people hold abhorrent political positions that they justify with religious principles you happen to consider a bunch of atavistic Hooey. You attack the positions on their dubious merits. You then go over the brink and attack the underyling Hooey. But since you think it's Hooey, you go on to suggest that the Hooey, being Hooey, is just a mask for very different motives (e.g., misogyny) that can be deplored without discussion of religion.
Atrios has more on evangelicals today and Richard Cohen's lede in this morning's Post nicely captures the reason Mitt Romney won't stop providing material for this debate any time soon:
I have been following the zigs and zags of Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and now Republican presidential candidate, watching him grow progressively less progressive, sort of making himself up as he goes along. As a result, I surf the Web with trepidation, bracing myself for the story that I fear might be coming: "Romney Says He Is Not Really a Mormon.''
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I think that it depends on how you criticize their sincerity. It's one thing to say that Judeo-Christian belief is based on misogyny. It's a whole other thing to say that George W. Bush's Christian beliefs are not as sincere as he pretends by judging his actions and how they line up with his professed beliefs.
February 20, 2007 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why is this a matter of religious people versus athiest as opposed to the matter of liberalism? It should not matter what the relgious of our political leaders but whether or not they separate the private and public spheres. This is what makes the Taliban resemble fascism. They respect no personal conscience. What is often shocking is how often Americans in the name of other faiths or of atheists what too to blend the personal and the public.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
February 20, 2007 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is probably going to get me flamed but...
As Nathan said a couple of days ago, knowing something about a candidate's faith is useful information especially if s/he is a true believer. In that light, I have fewer qualms about Romney's faith which was founded in America and whose earliest adherents willingly gave up a tenet (polygamy) to become a state than I would Joe Lieberman who, if president, might have to choose between Israel and the United States or Pat Buchanan who might have to choose between enforcing our law and Vatican edicts. I don't fault them for their beliefs but it would be irresponsible not to consider them.
February 20, 2007 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mitt Romney's answer was so obviously his planned all purpose religion answer. I don't take it as shoving religion in my face.
Could it be that Republicans are lifting from us the burden of hearing about religion as part of politics? I don't think Romney will want to go into great detail about religion and neither will Giuliani. McCain attacked religious Republicans in 2000.
February 20, 2007 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
right. it's "thought, word and deed."
February 20, 2007 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
SeeDee
I'm glad that this concern over 'religious faith' seems to be a divisive issue among the GOP would-be candidates. Of course, it'll spill over into the Democratic races, also; but perhaps with less importance.
Given the recent Ted Haggard revelations and the Ralph Reed hypocrisy, I'm thinking many of the once Right Wing-nut rank and file, are less enthusiastic about the 'faith' issue than a while back.
February 20, 2007 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first President of independent Poland was reputedly a mason, and not religious. Withing two months, we was shot dead by a "person of faith".
The killer was a loner, but deeply impressed by the right wing concept of what does it mean to be a "good citizen". A person "without faith", and supported by ethnic and religious minorities, was not.
While we live in a less violent era, one may still ask: why a "good citizen" should be "a person of faith"? Is the justification in 2006 much better than in 1922?
February 20, 2007 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink