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It's impossible to pay Supreme Court justices or indeed any judges at any level anything remotely approximating the value of what they produce for society, even when they make decisions I disagree with. Furthermore, there are many people who would take no money at all in return for being Supreme Court justices, just as many people engage in charitable work for the honor and service itself. What then is the theory of paying justices and judges? It can't be pay for performance. It isn't pay for value. It can't be paying a living wage, because we already do that. I have friends who are lifetime judges and the country is lucky to have them on the bench. I'd like them paid more because I know they are good people and they deserve raises. But what really is the Chief Justice's push for more pay about?

The Chief's unstated but real thesis is that the people who ought to be judges are those who would otherwise practice law in high-paid law firms that represent corporations. A very different view would be that judges ought to come from a pool that includes those who might instead choose to be elected to national or state legislatures, seek tenure on law school faculties, work as civil servants, represent the indigent and disadvantaged in legal aid clinics, and otherwise not (like I did) go into corporate defense work. This pool roughly is already at income parity with judges. The problem is that the members of this pool don't get appointed, not that they aren't willing to be judges. Law school faculties alone could staff every federal judgeship and, as the old joke goes, would raise the average at both institutions. (Just kidding, friends)

Another implicit assumption of the Chief is that we need to pay judges with an eye to the net present value of the total stream of revenue they would collect by becoming over 30 years or so the lead lawyers in big firms. More or less, such a success path can produce in big cities income from age 40 to 65 that averages in present dollar terms between one and two million, with outliers on the upside more than the downside. Paying judges wages that reach these levels is pretty much out of question, because like it or not their peer group incomes other government workers. However, I know at least 50, and maybe 100, big firm lawyers who would serve their country well by being judges on any court and who also would happily give up their practices for five or even 10 year stints, either early or at the end of their private practice careers, if they could get nominated and confirmed precisely for such terms. Why not create the possibility of such terms at the federal level, including for the Supreme Court? I'm not saying that judges shouldn't be named for life. I'm saying that I don't see why at least some couldn't choose to be named for terms, and could be confirmed on that basis, instead of being named for life and expected to serve for life. I bet the applicants for term appointments would be of extremely high caliber even if pay were not increased a dollar above today's levels. Asking someone to be a judge for life is a very different thing than asking someone to serve their country as a judge for a limited time period. In particular, there are numerous 60 year old lawyers who enjoy lucrative retirement packages from firms and would happily serve as judges for five or ten years. Many would eagerly serve not only on the Supreme Court, provided the law permitted them to take the retirement pay; they'd happily serve on other lower courts and in administrative forums too.

Paying judges enough to encourage more people to make the career choice of being a judge for life instead of joining a big law firm is only one scenario, and not necessarily the best one, for building a fine judiciary.


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It seems to me that the lifetime appointments tend to free some from their worldly ties and obligations. A justice coming in from the corporate world, say, would hold onto those prejudices that he or she would be returning to. Law scholars and Professors would seem to be have the background and perhaps more objectivity for the highest courts. I know nothing about the law, but just looking at some of the corporate lawyers who have been appointed to SCOTUS in recent memory does not encourage support of that process (-what Shakespeare said).

Paying according to market value would lead to multimillion dollar Presidents. Is this what we want? I’m sure that CJ Roberts with his pro-corporate background would like to see the equivalent of some golden parachutes and stock options but he’d better watch that judge to clerk salary ratio. I’m sure there are some who would like to see the judgeships privatized after all, Halliburton is so efficient and competent (if we would had only sub-contracted Saddam’s trial and hanging to them…). Then again, we could make it part of the faith-based initiative since we’ve already allowed the (Modern King James) Ten Commandments into the courthouse.

I'm saying that I don't see why at least some couldn't choose to be named for terms, and could be confirmed on that basis, instead of being named for life and expected to serve for life.

That's an interesting question, Reed. The response would probably be Art. III of the constitution which says that federal judges are to be appointed for life. Sure, you could appoint Art. I judges for fixed periods, but I think if you are sending a judge to an Art. III court, they have to be appointed for life.

It all depends, though. If the judiciary decided to go along with it, our country could probably get away with it. At least until one of the term judges decided they wanted to stay on the bench longer than their agreed term. If the term agreement is a contract between the judge and the federal government, I would bet that it would either be unenforceable or it would illegal for containing unconstitutional conditions.

On the other hand, I think we do need term limits for federal judges. There is no justification for letting one person sit on the Supreme Court for 30+ years as Roberts, Alito, and Thomas likely will, and as Stevens already has. And if Thomas lives to be Steven's age, he could sit on the court for over 40 years.

We need a constitutional amendment reforming the federal judiciary. I would suggest 18 year terms for Art. III judges. I would also want to see two Supreme Court judges appointed every Presidential term regardless of vacancies with a minimum number of 9 justices. That would help to depoliticize the judiciary, and it would help the court take on more cases by expanding their capacity with more judges. (Of course, capacity is a questionable issue since the court has historically taken many, many more cases per year than it does now.)

I haven't been following this, but if, as you say, Roberts wants to entice more corporate lawyers into the judicial system, I see this as another wrong turn in American politics.

I know at least 50, and maybe 100, big firm lawyers who would serve their country well by being judges on any court and who also would happily give up their practices for five or even 10 year stints, either early or at the end of their private practice careers
Being a Judge is way to important to consider it a trainee position for otber, later career achievements. Being a Judge is not just one more experience to check off on a career checklist to prepare a person for the really imporant jobs later in the career. Age and life experience is a LOT more important than early reputation and stellar grades in law school!

I actually disagree with you. I don't see why judges should be so important. In Germany and France, judges are merely civil servants and are often hired straight out of law school. Of course, those are civil law countries, but I think their legal systems are better than ours in a lot of ways. I don't see why we should worship at the feet of our judges.

Not that it will ever change.

Yipes! And I agree with YOU!

Jan Knaus

It seems important to pay judges enough to swage their conscious enought to forget they are supporting a broken system.

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I wonder about the wisdom of having wealthy corporate lawyers serve short terms. Sounds like a process ripe for abuse. We already have too many revolving doors between the corporate world and our legislative and executive branches (can you say Dick Cheney and Halliburton?). Creating a judicial revolving door seems unwise to me. For all their problems, I think the life time appointments our founders decided on are probably the best approach in an imperfect world. Let's not mess with it . . .

How about 20 yeaar terms? It would take most of the mystery out of the Presidential appointment bonanza; it would help reduce the senility factor, yet it would still give those who are appointed enough years in their last jobs to make their marks.

Jan Knaus

It's hard to overestimate the amount of money we would have to pay the relatively few bright attorneys who now refuse to accept judicial appointments in order to induce them to change their minds.

How much money would any of us require to preside over a bunch of drug plea bargains, tendentious discovery motions, and all the other uninspiring day after day assignments the average judge has to take care of.  And that's not even to mention some idiot assignment judge ordering him or her about.

Maybe we should think about doubling the number of Masters to do the grunt work.  In the event money's not the answer. 

I'm not ready to attempt to overturn a thousand years of anglo-saxon tradition in this situation. But I'm Damned sure not ready to pay a bunch of Republican jurists the way they WANT to get paid.

If anyone deserves a large pay raise, it's the top flag officers in the military. As it is, Two, three and four stars are all against the cap and get the same pay. The responsibility of command at that level is amazing. But no, they shouldn't get a pay raise either.

Considering these views on whether such public officials "deserve" more income (which I feel confident are shared among our rePublican "friends"), I see no reason why we should not ask about such "deservingness" in the private sector.  Once incomes go above the top of the public sector pay scale, I think the marginal rate should go to something approaching 100%.

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