Wal-Mart Doing Good for Environment
Seriously. This initiative by Wal-Mart to promote energy-saving light bulbs is a major environmental initiative.
"Compact fluorescent" bulbs fit in normal sockets but use 75% less electricity than regular bulbs, last ten times longer and produces 450 pounds fewer greenhouse gases over the course of their life than those regular bulbs. And consumers save $30 over the life of these bulbs- a big personal savings for consumers.
I'm not always as green in my personal life as I'd like (other than living in NYC and not owning a car) but when I moved into my present apartment two-and-half years ago, we had a bank of ceiling lights that are great for illiumination, but I knew would be a serious energy suck. So I invested in about $50 worth of energy-saving bulbs and haven't had to replace any since-- and cut our energy bills significantly.
But there's some change in consumer behavior needed to make use of the bulbs widespread and Wal-Mart is using its in-store advertising power and relations with suppliers to try to promote that change. While I hate Wal-Mart's labor practices, I'm not as down on strong WELL-REGULATED retailers precisely because they can jump-start large changes that smaller fry can't do.
So an honest bravo to Wal-Mart for using their power for good for once.












Great- but where are the bulbs made? Some of us still are concerned about American jobs, trade deficit, and national security, so would be happy if the new bulbs are made in the U.S., unhappy if made in mainland China and, at least in my case, satisfied if made elsewhere.
January 2, 2007 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, here are some circumstances where one must overcome one's anti-globalism. If we are ever to restore America as a nation of manufacturers, we must work at the Congressional level to turn the mantra of "free trade" into "fair trade". No matter how immediately satisfying it may be, voting with our dollars won't do that.
If it will help you in the short run, you can also find compact flourescent bulbs (some of which overcome the "ugly" factor by putting the spiral flourescent tubes inside of more regularly-shaped globes) at Ikea. For all I know, they are made in Sweden.
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January 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, are you suggesting folks shop at Wal-Mart, or are you hoping that other companies with better labor practices follow Wal-Mart's lead in the green realm?
January 2, 2007 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've been using the compact flourescents wherever possible but unfortunatly they don't work with dimmers. It's either on or off. But another approach that offers both energy savings and some mood/atmosphere are night lights that turn off during the day, particularly LED based nightlights that offer different colors and intensities. One or more in a room can provide enough light for transit to other rooms, and putting them behind furniture can also help create a nice "lightscape" that saves energy without sacrificing atmosphere. Then if I need additional light I can turn on a CF bulb. But I still have to use incandescents for lights with dimmers. Hopefully someone will come up with a version of CF that can be adjusted.
It's nice that Wal-Mart is promoting these. It shows that our public criticism and refusal to shop there is having an impact. But it will take a lot more worker friendly and supplier friendly behavior to convince me to shop there again.
January 2, 2007 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are a few hidden lessons in the Times article.
The first is that consumers are unwilling to switch. Even the smallest change to their lifestyle is resisted. Imagine what would happen if some serious ideas like getting rid of SUV's were attempted.
Second, there is a data point in the accompanying chart about Mercury. I assume the emissions numbers refer to the amount of Mercury released by coal-fired power plants. But that is a point source and can be captured if the government ever makes up its mind to enforce existing air quality regulations. The Mercury in the bulbs, however are a dispersed source and there is no reasonable way to control this. Notice that Mercury batteries were banned when it proved impossible to get people to recycle them. Billions of CFL's will create a Mercury problem which has not yet been adequately addressed.
Third, many of us who follow Walmart closely are somewhat skeptical of their new-found green outlook. Cutting energy use as they claim they are going to do in such areas as trucking and store lighting has a nice PR ring, but the primary motivation is still seen to be greenwashing. Their electricity use exceeds that of several Latin American countries. Add to this the vast amount of resources that are consumed to make all the stuff they sell and the amount of energy need to ship it half way around the world.
They appear to be milking some rather modest green initiatives to obscure the basic fact that their business plan is one of waste and the promotion of over consumption.
--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape
January 2, 2007 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Wal-Mart is "going green" in response to public criticism, which is all to the good. It shows that collective pressure on Wal-Mart is extracting concessions, even if they aren't yet the expensive labor standards changes that is an ultimate goal.
But a key point is that these small-scale changes in used technology are some of the most important energy sources possible-- far more important in many cases than finding new energy sources. The interesting policy point in the article was the suggestion that maybe a tax on traditional bulbs might move people towards energy-saver versions.
In many ways, the consumer resistance to change highlights that depending on "markets" is a bad solution, since even when changes are in the long-term economic interest of consumers, they often choose the short-term savings that undercut both their own budgets and the collective environment-- a classic formula for needed regulation.
So another way to read the story is that if Wal-Mart can't move the market in a more rational direction, it's a good proof that we need more regulation and less BS about the wonders of the market as a solution.
January 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's interesting that you mention LED's because it shows just how pathetic Wal-Mart is as an "agent of change." Here in Minneapolis, IKEA has bins and bins of flourescents and Loews even stocks low priced full spectrum flourescents which fooled me into thinking that the day never ends.
The next wave of lighting will probably be LED's because they're being used in TV's, traffic lights, best-of-tech truck lighting, computer displays, etc... and so it seems obvious that the technology will find its way into home lighting.
If Wal-Mart helped push THIS revolution, maybe I'd blink twice but pushing flourescents? They're late in the game-- in my opinion.
January 2, 2007 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm, I don't know about you, but I miss Sterling Newberry and I wish I knew where he went!
Anyway, I think that he once mentioned-- and I believed him, that the oil used to transport goods across the ocean has the designation of being the waste product of gasoline production. Thus, unless our gasoline demand goes down, Wal-mart is using a readily available waste product to ship goods and it is subsidized by people who buy gasoline.
I'm hoping that Sterling returns because I miss his analysis.
January 2, 2007 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
But a key point is that these small-scale changes in used technology are some of the most important energy sources possible-- far more important in many cases than finding new energy sources.
I would say that "changes in technology are equivalent to finding new energy sources."
I joke with people that I have a part time job driving my 1991 Honda Civic around! It gets 40 mpg, sometimes, and if that performance is compared to the gas sucking SUV's, I save around $3 an hour, assuming that an SUV would need 3 gallons of gas and I would need 1.5 gallons gas.
People who save money, and earn interest, also look at their return as a new source of income. As an example, the small amount that I have saved in the bank gives me $4 in interest every day.
While it's terrible to love money, that love, in my case, has caused me to be environmentally friendly since I only buy things that I absolutely need and I get rid of things I don't need and stay constantly aware of how often I use things...
January 2, 2007 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are 3-way CF bulbs that work in any 3-way light fixture, but they are not widely available.
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January 2, 2007 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a technical point on LED's. They are not all that efficient, here are some representative numbers:
incandescent bulbs: 16-22 lm/W (lumens per watt)
LED: 32 lm/W (with hopes to raise this to 80)
CFL: 50-100 lm/W
LED"s are used for specialty applications like outdoor signage and traffic lights because their long life makes the labor costs of replacement yield a net savings. The power savings is a secondary benefit. Specially shaped fixtures can also direct the light in preferred directions which may also allow the use of less energy consuming bulbs.
High intensity bulbs such as the Mercury or Sodium lamps used in street lamps have high efficiency but their skewed color balance makes them undesirable for normal indoor use. (They also take a few minutes to come up to full brightness.)
--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape
January 2, 2007 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know about these types of light bulbs, but I read somewhere in the last year or so that nearly all incandescent bulbs sold in the USA are made either in the USA or Canada.
January 2, 2007 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: In many ways, the consumer resistance to change highlights that depending on "markets" is a bad solution
And yet consummers are not always resistant to change. How long did it take for the LP to fade away when CDs hgit the market? And now we see VCRs falling to extinction as DVDs conquer the market.
January 2, 2007 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I'm pretty amazed by the rampant cynicism over this in the comments. Let me set aside Wal-Mart for the moment. Bad labor company, bad on lots of things, but right on this issue. Now back to light bulbs.
You can find compact fluorescent bulbs at lots of places. For the second year this year, I went to Lowe's (employee owned) and bought three cases of a dozen CF 60-watt replacements (which actually use 13W), and gave them out as my generic present to folks to whom I wanted to give something but didn't want to spend too much or have time to think about something special for them. I felt kind of silly giving light bulbs, but everyone received them very warmly.
The first time I did this was about four years ago, I think, and I ended up paying $9 a bulb, which really restricted how many I could give. This year, I was able to buy the dozen packs for about $26 a case, meaning I was able to give out a lot more.
People once said no one would ever sort their trash to recycle, but now it's a major part of a waste reduction strategy (and to a lesser extent, a resource reuse strategy). People do it reflexively at home. At their current price, CF bulbs are ready to take over the marketplace. Wal-Mart is doing the right thing, but it also happens to be the obvious thing. (Or at least, it should be obvious.)
And if you're reading this by an incandescent bulb, I'm not saying throw it out, but for goodness sake, don't buy any more!
January 2, 2007 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Respectfully Nathan, from one union lawyer to another, I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from. I think I understand and agree that it's a good thing that Wal-mart is marketing more energy-efficient bulbs. My question is whether we now, as a consequence of that decision, encourage friends of working people to shop at Wal-Mart.
January 2, 2007 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
How you worked this into kudos for wal-mart..... my logic just snapped and sprung apart. Why don't you get a job working for them? You don't like their labor practices, but..... of course, they aren't screwing you out of health benefits and a living wage. How thoughtful, how american, how self centered, how self justifying. You could have bought those from another source. I personally pay more for EVERYTHING when I know doing so promotes the health and well being of the environment and the lives of others in the world. I won't go to Wal mart, and don't need to justify myself online. I am not rich, but I care about more than my own pocketbook. If you did not feel guilty, you would never have made this logical leap.
January 2, 2007 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
and cities claim that there is no market for recycled material so cities throw them into landfills instead of recycling them.
from what i remember, the US was the only country in the world that didn't publish the last Harry Potter book on recycled paper.
I don't know who sets the policy in America, but they're hurting us all and probably telling us lies about "the real market" just to protect the raw material producers.
January 2, 2007 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if you're reading this by an incandescent bulb, I'm not saying throw it out, but for goodness sake, don't buy any more!
Go to Loews and buy the "full spectrum" CFL's. They're totally awesome and you can make your old lightbulb into an arts and crafts project!
January 2, 2007 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, you'll love this good news then! LED technology is MUCH better than your estimates!
From CNET:
LED technology is improving as well. UCSB has created an experimental LED that can output 117 lumens per watt, while a Japanese company has developed one that can output 130 lumens per watt. [MORE]
And if 150 lumens per watt is achieved, and 25% of the current incadescents are replaced, then the savings would "be the output of 133 new coal-burning power stations by 2025."
Thus, as far as I know, Wal-Mart is simply playing "me too" because Lowes and IKEA already sell CFL's in bulk.
Thus, if Wal-Mart wants to be notable, they should get white LED technology to market instead of selling old, commoditized CFL technology.
Another Interesting Link: LED Exit Signs Use 1/5th The Energy Of CFL Exit Signs.
Let's go Wal-Mart, we're still watching for greatness!
January 2, 2007 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Danielius:
I agree with you. Greener bulbs aren't getting me to shop at Wal-Mart. I'm just trying to understand where Nathan is coming from.
That said, Danielus, for what it's worth, I don't think Nathan has to prove his commitment to working people to anyone, and certainly not to me. Hopefully, you'll cut him some slack and let him explain a little better where he's coming from.
January 2, 2007 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
COme on-- I've trashed Wal-Mart so many times in this space and other blogs that I'd think my position on Wal-Mart is pretty clear, but it's interesting to see what a better-regulated Wal-Mart could do for the public good. But note my emphasis on WELL-REGULATED.
I actually think it doesn't serve the movement to regulate Wal-Mart well for activists to be completely hostile to some of the things that Wal-Mart does that the public appreciates. THe point should be that decent labor conditions will not end those good things but make Wal-Mart all the better for the communities of which it is part.
January 2, 2007 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, where is Sterling? Or was it Stirling? It's been so long.....
January 3, 2007 7:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on. Don't be daft.
January 3, 2007 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I noted below, Wal-Mart pushing CFLs isn't so much pushing the envelope as grabbing the clue stick. Much like Detroit's automakers being afraid to put small diesel engines in its small and medium-sized SUVs and trucks, solely because of bad memories of a bad response 20 years ago to different technology in different context, the only reason CFLs aren't way more dominant now is because retailers got scared off of them in the early 90s. There's really no good reason not to use CFLs now for the majority of applications where 60W and 100W incandesents are currently used, but retailers are slow to change their habits.
Wal-Mart doesn't deserve praise for being some revolutionary company that's far-sighted. Greenness and energy efficiency are but happy PR sidenotes to the fact that CFLs will help bolster Wal-Mart's "we save you money" marketing strategy. But the fact remains that no other retailers are heavily pushing CFLs. (Sure Lowe's and Home Depot have them, but they're one little shelving unit in a massive row of lighting options.) It's a bleedin' obvious move, and a bunch of other retailers should be doing it. But frankly, they aren't. And Wal-Mart is. And that's a good thing.
January 3, 2007 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wal-Mart will have a problem pushing low-energy lightbulbs simply because their up-front cost is too high for their low-income customers. Why pay extra for a light bulb that lasts seven years if you live in a rental month-to-month? How can you justify spending those extra few dollars if you live paycheck-to-paycheck? Low-income renters might be better off buying cheap incandescent light bulbs at the dollar store. Buying expensive long-life bulbs is for people who feel secure about their future, have stable housing and the means to look ahead.
January 3, 2007 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which is where public policy should come in-- utilities should be required to immediately rebate the cost of energy-efficient bulbs on the next utility bill and then expense the cost over the life of the bulb. That would be far less than the savings, so the energy-efficient bulbs would essentially be free for the consumer and they would get the long-term savings as well.
January 3, 2007 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
BTW this policy suggestion is not theoretical. Many states already give partial rebates for purchasing such bulbs.
January 3, 2007 8:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the point is that even Wal-Mart responds to pressure, I appreciate Nathan's posting it and will not give up hope entirely for Bush's America. Much of the light in my apartment is from standing lamps, of the type I believe are called halogen and easily dimmed. Their light is not nearly as natural either as incandescent bulbs, which makes them a compromise for certain purposes. But question: does anyone know how these rank in green terms?
John
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January 3, 2007 8:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I felt kind of silly giving light bulbs, but everyone received them very warmly.
I got the same response with my CF presents for everyone.
Dissent Protects Democracy.
January 3, 2007 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
They're an improvement over standard incandescent, John (if Google's not lying to me). 12 - 36 lumens per watt compared standard incandescent's 8 -24.
Here's a chart [link] that I found. It surprised me that low-pressure sodium ranks the most efficient(in lumens/watt at least). But I think those are found in parking lots, emitting yellow light. You might be able to balance the light in your apartment by painting your walls purple. :-)
Neoboho
January 3, 2007 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why pay extra for a light bulb that lasts seven years if you live in a rental month-to-month? How can you justify spending those extra few dollars if you live paycheck-to-paycheck?
Because it's cheaper over the long haul. Many poor folks have figured this out.
Also, when you rent a house you should consider why the landlord hasn't installed energy efficient lighting? Ulp, because it cheaper for her/him not to. When the bulb croaks, the renter will have to buy a new one. This applies also to issues such as insulation and weather sealing in a rental structure.
Neoboho
January 3, 2007 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your argument that the "poor can only afford incadescents" doesn't hold much water since the downside is, of course, that electricity bills will be higher because of the need to construct more power plants and the need for more electricity.
Additionally, if CFL's were installed in apartments, practically nobody would be buying bulbs because they last a lot longer! And, the next generation of LED's will last 100 times longer than bulbs and 10 times longer than CFL's so, perhaps, only one LED lighting element would be required for the life of the lamp!
I'm excited about LED lamps because I dropped a CFL and it shattered. I once read that an LED lamp still worked after being shot with a shotgun!
January 3, 2007 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Concern for labor standards, Daft? Hee.
January 3, 2007 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the fact remains that no other retailers are heavily pushing CFLs. (Sure Lowe's and Home Depot have them, but they're one little shelving unit in a massive row of lighting options.)
Maybe I'm just too smart because I read "only 5% of residential bulbs are CFL and 95% are incadescent."
At least at IKEA, I had to wade through a sea of CFL's to find the incadescents-- which I didn't buy.
And Loews took the time to make a big price tag that helped consumers understand that their CFL's were reasonably cheap.
Wal-Mart's "goodness factor" is debatable to me because, during the past few months, I concluded that the incadescent light bulb was being phased out...
January 3, 2007 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
I also wanted to say: "maybe people are poor because they make poor financial decisions." if the poor lock themselves into the incadescent bulb, it's like having to buy a lot of inkjet ink, i.e. the bulb is cheap but the ongoing operation is expensive. in the summer, for example, my CFL's generate far less heat than my incadescents and my apartment stays cooler!
January 3, 2007 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
from what i remember, the US was the only country in the world that didn't publish the last Harry Potter book on recycled paper.
You have to be careful with the recycled paper concept, mcs. The industry contributes to environmental degradation because of the huge amount of toxic chemical it uses for de-inking, bleaching and cleaning recycled paper fiber. Today, trees are row-croped for paper pulp - (short-rotation tree crops). It's a sustainable technology, and at least has the potential to curb the destruction of the planet's last remaining wild forests by reducing the economic pressure.
I'm inclined to think that there might be "greener" strategies for meeting the problem of waste paper, such as masonry units, insulation and so forth. Burning paper for energy is of course an option, but that doesn't address carbon emmission problems. Other stategies such as masonry units will actually rebuild the "carbon sinks" that the original forest was.
An interesting aside. The first patent awarded in the new United States of America was for a process of extracting pearlash (baking soda) from trees. There was an enormous market for this, as European nations were experiencing food shortages on a regular basis because of bakery shutdowns caused by the lack or baking soda. This resulted in the first large scale deforestation project, in the US southeast hardwood forests, which stretched from the Alantic to the Mississippi - which was also one of the Earth's largest carbon sinks.
Neoboho
January 3, 2007 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a feeling that this environmentally friendly action was just to introduce some noise to cover their new employee management program:
http://www.prospect.org/cgi-bin/mtype/mt-tb.cgi/12825
Wal-Mart is the store of last resort for me . . . I only shop there if there is something I absolutely need and cannot find elsewhere, at any price.
January 3, 2007 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Wal-Mart readies large-scale move into solar power"
http://news.com.com/2102-11395_3-6146851.html?
January 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was speaking to an engineer for a company that made some sort of new technology that cut the energy use of things like supermarket meat cases and soda machines in half. According to him, Wal-Mart had already made Pepsi use the new technology in all their machines in Wal-Mart stores, and they were working to do the same with Coca-Cola.
January 3, 2007 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm, maybe you disagree with what I found here but this research indicates that recycled paper produces MUCH less toxins: [Toxic releases from paper made with recovered wastepaper versus virgin wood fiber: A research note].
Another interesting link: [Why Recycle Paper]
And [this research], Buying Environmentally Preferable Paper, claims that you can make recycled paper without chlorine, far less water and far less particulate polution, etc... Additionally, "the US should be using hemp, not trees" and, "if current consumption patterns continue, demand will outstrip supply in 10 to 20 years."
Based on my observations, the US has always tried to protect raw material producers and, therefore, our government has stood in the way of recycling. and, really, that's a crime.
another interesting stat: "recycling one aluminum soda can saves half a soda can full of gasoline!"
January 3, 2007 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are excatly right! It is very important to gain strong labor political and economic power within this country and much of the world at this crucial point. Green products are all very good but it's the struggle between labor and capital that is fundamental. Many peole have become deluded into aligning themselves with the interests of corporate capital.
The interests of the individual worker are naturally aligned with long term, sound environmental policy and once labor regains a place at the table strong, effective environmental policies can be inacted. Capital naturally focuses on the next quarter and will only take small steps toward effective environmental action, all the while shouting proudly about each baby step.
January 4, 2007 7:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
A consistent issue on this thread is who is changing over, and it is of course more in the well-off than among the paycheck population. This article in today's NYT looks at some home solar installations in California.
As a renter I keep looking at what I could do that would be portable, that is, not pegged to a specific building. If I pay electric I can certainly take my light bulbs with me when i move, so that's not a problem. More of a challenge is heating/cooling. A heat pump that used grey-water runoff from the drains could be pretty portable. A solar setup that consisted of window shades is another possibilty, although I don't know an easy way to interface with the grid absent electrician work.
I would like to see further growth of a leasing system now in use, where a homeowner buys solar power from panels mounted on his house but owned by a leasing company. Preferable would be leasing the panels for a fixed rate and getting the power for free. The result would be predictable income for the leasing company, fixed costs for the lessor, and incentives to conserve power to maximise the value of what is generated.
If you are watching your electric storage bank dropping fast you'll turn off unused lights. I find, in general, the better-off are very stingy about details of cost. It doesn't stop them from buying luxury items, but no way will they accept a bad deal for operating costs. So one rich guy in California is tickled pink that his 45-kW system ($389,000 less $134,000 rebate) will save him about $2 million over 30 yrs at constant rates. Higher rates are of course likely, so that savings would be larger. He is paying zero on his electric bill.
I saved bunches of money by heating my most-used room instead of the whole house. This applies to a rental where I pay utilities, so I don't need to be a homeowner to save money and reduce carbon output.
January 4, 2007 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not only that, but I actually had to look up what "daft" meant! :-)
January 4, 2007 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have seen Stirling posting at the Agonist.
January 4, 2007 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
But the US does in fact recycle paper, lots of it. Just not for printing paper on any grand scale. And that's simply because new fiber is less expensive for printing quality paper.
But I advocate recycling paper - don't get me wrong. I just think that recycling paper to print books isn't that "green." We need to lock-up carbon, which is why I think paper-based building materials is important. You can only recycle paper fiber about 5 times before the fiber breaks down and is useless for paper products. What happens to it then? Recycling paper now is labor intensive - collecting, sorting, decontaminating, cleaning and de-inking. Imagine how this end of the process will become when 5x recycled material will have to be removed? And what happens to the spent fiber? I imagine it would be pelletized and burnt for energy, adding to the carbon burden on our atmosphere.
Check out the "papercrete" concept. Of course these guys are evangelists - the truth is that the state of the technology still has some major weaknesses. But on the level of the concept, it shows great promise.
<>And nope, I wouldn't disagree with your links. The caveat against recycled paper came from my experience in the printing industry in 1970. A paper salesman (who had just sold us recycled paper for a project) told me about the pollution problem. Your link to that abstract shows that progress has been made since then. Good show. I'm all for it.
I'm not so sure about the "devil's role" the government has played in recycling, though. Interior got right behind the "sustained yield" idea right from the get go. Today, the real revolution in forest products in the "engineered lumber" arena it afoot. Oriented Strand Board (OSB) for example. Made from wood chips, it is replacing plywood in thousands of building operations. The relief of pressure to exploit the last remaining old-growth and old-second growth forests is obvious, not to mention the rain forests of the world.
If you want a villan, I think Wall Street is better qualified. I can cite the Pacific Redwood company as an example. Pacific was a family owned business, and they actually operated since day one on the sustained yield principle. The logged in the most environmentally sound way possible - long before that concept became "public." But economic forces came into play and they needed to upgrade their sawmill, and they went public in order to get the capital for an upgrade. The family had every intention of balancing harvest with production. But the new corporation suffered a hostile takeover by a group of investors, many of who were also involved in the Lincoln Savings & Loan scandal. This group borrowed short term money at high interest in order to buy Pacific out, and once in control dashed the sustained yield management in favor of blitzkrieg logging keyed to quick profits to avoid going belly-up. The US Government had nothing to do with that.
<><>NeobohoJanuary 4, 2007 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you looked at Citizenre?
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January 4, 2007 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
An interesting sidebar to paper discussions is DuPont's efforts in the '20s to suppress competition for its developing wood-pulp paper business. The large amount of hemp planted during the war was setting up to become a replacement for rag paper. One graduate student at Pepperdine published his thesis in 1995 that political contributions to certain legislators promoted demonization of marijuana (absent supporting data). This led to onerous obstacles to certifying a crop as drug-free and is credited with aborting the new business.
I have a personal beef with that (actually two, since I like the drug, too). Wood-pulp paper is stiff and uncooperative for my profession, music. Rag paper, with some of our orchestra parts around 100 years old, is supple and lays flat reliably. The computer-printed parts are notoriously stiff and won't lay flat. They usually require much abuse, folding repeatedly, to cooperate.
I'd love to see hemp paper, which would also yield hemp oils as a byproduct (biodiesel or whatever). With digestion of cellulose for alcohol, hemp would have multiple uses.
January 4, 2007 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was surprised to read once that bamboo was China's principle source of paper fiber. Hemp is ok with me, too. China also relied on hemp seed as a food staple a couple of thousand years ago.
Now here's a mystery that I've never solved. When I was a kid, a pair of Levis were almost indestructable. By the time I was 12, the style was to never wash your Levis - keep them dark blue as long as possible. They would last a year. But somewhere along the line Levis started wearing out pretty quickly, even with less stress than a kid puts on them. When I read that "dungarees" were made from hemp fiber, I wondered if Levi Strauss switched form hemp to cotton - probably in the late 50s or early 60s. I could be just my imagination, but the quality sure seemed to have dropped around this time.
Neoboho
January 4, 2007 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks!
January 4, 2007 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want a villan, I think Wall Street is better qualified.
No, I blame the US government because they're responsible for writing the regulations. In my mind, what you describe seems cheaper but, based on the links that I posted, and the fact that the US is the only country in the world not to use recycled paper for Harry Potter, makes me think that the US can do better.
You didn't bother to dispute the studies that showed that recycling paper was "greener" than not doing it...
In general, recycled paper is made from some recycled paper and some virgin pulp so the case the you describe, recycling 5 times, isn't relavent because recycled paper always has a good amount of "new fiber" in it.
If you read the material I posted, you'd see that making paper isn't a very ecological process but, again, you didn't dispute the material that suggested that recycling was "more ecological" but not perfectly green.
Ford and GM didn't like high mpg standards and, thus, they gutted the government's ability to enforce them.
Anway, all I see in your comments is "hand-waving." What sources do you use to back up your claim that recycling doesn't deliver the benefits that my sources claimed such as "reduced particulates," "less water consumption," "less virgin tree fiber," "less energy expended," etc...
I don't blame "wallstreet" since they aren't the regulators. In my eyes, the government is clearly not doing its job by putting recyclables in landfills and "protecting the raw materials market." This is "bad policy" and a "crime against humanity."
January 4, 2007 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read Executive Order 13101, mcs. If not anything else, it shows that government isn't benign on this issue. But it is a complex process, in view of constitutional constraints on government acting on free enterprise. A requirement that federal angencies us 30% post-consumer content (PCC) papers is reasonable, in that the industry couldn't supply a higher PCC anyway, and the affected agencies couldn't comply with the EO. So the 30% PCC functions as an incentive for the paper industry to tool up for more recycled paper - which I think is what you want to happen.
The rest of the story is market forces, thus my "wallstreet" metaphor. Your Harry Potter books are published for profit, of course, and if virgin paper yields more profit, that's how it's going to be. To save the lives of the 78,000 trees that Rowling's publication is costing, why don't Harry Potter fans lobby to have the book published in CD format and read it on their computer monitors? It's a rhetorical question - of course we all like books. But books are paper, and we have them because authors and publishers like to make money, and at least at this point they make more money with virgin wood fibers.
But it's complicated, as I said. The paper for computer printout and photocopying can be made economically with the 30% PCC that EO13101 requires. The same paper wouldn't perform well in offset printing.
But I'm not that interested in pursuing this to any degree - I was merely raising an issue, and I've already told you that I don't disagree with your sources, and that mine were over 30 years old. So I don't know why you're pressing me on this particular point.
But I've also said, in so many words, that recycling paper is a "paper tiger" (heh) IMO, since ultimately the end product will end up in landfills or the atmosphere. You are just plain wrong about recycling fiber after 5 cycles, even when the pulp is recharged with less damaged fiber. You have to have fiber strength to make paper. Spent fiber is just sludge, but it can be burnt, and some mills do this as part of their energy-saving co-generation schemes, which end up dumping the carbon in the atmosphere. I just think that there are better strategies to deal with the problem.
Neoboho
January 4, 2007 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But I've also said, in so many words, that recycling paper is a "paper tiger" (heh) IMO, since ultimately the end product will end up in landfills or the atmosphere."
That's true with a lot of things we recycle. Water, for example, has that same problem but we recycle it anyway because it has value.
The word "recylce" is sort of a bad word since it doesn't emphasize the reuse of resources even if the next use isn't the same as the first.
I was pushing the point because several studies indicated that "recycling paper has benefits."
There is truth to your points, but do you have numbers that put them into prespective. Obviously, the "recycling industry" could be putting out numbers that are "way too optimistic," etc...
America has to do better and stop being lazy. I don't know why we were the "only country" that didn't use recycled paper for Harry Potter. If the studies I posted are right, there is "overall economic and environmental benefit" to using recycled paper. Thus, the manufacturers are trying to turn a quick profit rather than being patriotic.
If wallstreet sets a high standard about patriotism and wars, I think we need to do the same about something that really matters, like the environment.
January 5, 2007 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
A story I followed for years was the great Jari business of millionaire Daniel Ludwig. It just caught my interest when I first read about it in the 60s. Ludwig bought a million or so acres in Brazil near the confluence of the Amazon and Jari rivers. The area had rich kaolin clay deposits - which clay coat papers use. So the plan was to grow pulpwood and set up a paper mill. He had the mill built in Japan on two oil tanker hulls which sailed up the Amazon into excavated slots, which were then drained and presto - a huge paper factory.
But unfortunately the fragile Amazon soil wouldn't support row-cropping pulp tress, and the whole project went belly-up. It was pretty incredible - I mean one would think he would have checked that out. Had he succeeded, he would have become one of the world's top producers of clay coat paper.
Wackypedia has it written up here.
I think you are your citations are right about an overall economic benefit - but of course companies will continue to use virgin fiber when it makes economic sense on a project by project basis - and of course you're correct about profit motive. So the key is recycling paper profitably - that's always the great challenge before emerging conservation technologies. I worked for an industrial designer years ago who had a client who manufactured artificial lumber - really nice stuff and it could be made from recycled styrofoam and it was 100% recyclable. But they couldn't bring down the cost enough to compete with a row-cropped Hemfir 2x4.
Neoboho
January 8, 2007 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink