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The new Democratic Congress must understand that to re-stabilize the Middle East and to improve chances of damage limitation in Iraq will mean re-engaging on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Baker-Hamilton study group should provide cover for this second fundamental reassessment of Middle East policy. Providing a mandate for the group to investigate and produce recommendations on what the U.S. can do to rehabilitate Israeli-Arab negotiations could also begin to salvage U.S. credibility in the region and undercut a central rallying cry of extremists around the world. Rather than try to artificially “out-pro-Israel” the Bush administration, the Democrats have a chance to prove that working to renew efforts for peace can be both smart policy and smart politics, and serve U.S., Israeli, and regional interests.

The politics of this may sound counter-intuitive, but read on, it makes sense!

Read this piece “Send the Baker Commission to Gaza,” that I have in the new Washington Monthly, below the jump.

Democrats made huge gains this election, largely because voters rejected the administration’s policy in Iraq. But even before the electorate took its frustration over the war out on the president’s party, Congress recognized the need for a new direction. In March, House Republicans—led by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) and supported by such senior GOP figures as Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)—asked James Baker and Lee Hamilton to form the Iraq Study Group. The group, which is expected to offer policy recommendations within the next few weeks, was widely understood to offer the White House an opportunity to chart a new course in Iraq without having to admit its previous policies were wrong.

So far, so good. But the much-neglected Israeli-Arab conflict—in particular the Israel-Palestine conflict—is as central to Middle East stability as the Iraq war is. The United States can’t truly address the latter without taking on the former, too. A regional policy makeover that fails to make these connections is unlikely to create the tipping point that will move the Middle East from extremism towards moderation. 

Given the president’s lackluster performance on this front over the last six years, some external impetus is clearly needed. The new Democratic congressional leadership has a responsibility to provide that impetus. They also have a handy tool with which to do so—if only they will use it. 

Congress doesn’t have the power to legislate a change of opinion or behavior on the part of the president and his foreign policy team. Simply urging the president to change his strategy won’t work; in fact, it may just encourage him to dig in deeper. So legislators should try another tactic, one that stands a far better chance of forcing the White House to get it right: Give the job to Baker and Hamilton. The new Congress should mandate the study group to expand its scope of inquiry and provide recommendations for reviving the Middle East peace process—the logical next step in the painful rehabilitation of our policy for the region.

Of course, both policy and politics have to be considered here. And politically, this proposal sounds counter-intuitive: If anything, the new Democratic Congress will be tempted to run to the president’s right on the Israeli-Arab conflict, as Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the ranking member on the House International Relations Committee, did this summer when he pledged to block the aid the president had promised Lebanon until Beirut agreed to allow international troops to patrol the Syrian border.

Even when Democrats belatedly discovered their voice on Iraq this election, most conspicuously failed to connect the war to a broader problem: our misguided regional policy that is urgently in need of reform. Democrats will need to be convinced that expanding the Baker-Hamilton Commission mandate to include Israel-Palestine would not only serve America’s national-security interests and benefit our ally, Israel, but also that such a move wouldn’t be a political exercise in self-flagellation.

But let’s start by considering the American interest. It seems blindingly obvious to observe that the unresolved, permanently visible Israeli-Palestinian conflict fans the flames of jihadism across the region. Yet this connection is rarely taken seriously, either as a matter of policy or in the public debate. The reluctance to do so is fed by the notion that “they hate us for what we are.” This mistaken assumption creates a monolithic “them” that doesn’t really exist (the fights within political Islam are often the fiercest). It also denies very real grievances that provoke anger and create fertile recruitment ground for radicals.

For Sunni al-Qaedists and Shiite Ahmedinajists alike, the Palestinian cause is a central rallying cry. Although extremists exploit the issue, it resonates far beyond the madrassa or the militia training camp. Of course, solving this conflict is not a panacea; not all hatred would instantly evaporate. But progress on the Israel-Palestine issue could be decisive in stabilizing the Middle East.

A reenergized political effort on the Israeli-Palestinian and broader Arab-Israeli front would also dramatically wrong-foot America’s adversaries in the region. Such a move would answer the calls of America’s moderate Arab allies and represent a first step towards repairing our damaged regional credibility. Indeed, it’s hard to see how the alliances necessary to attempt progress on Iraq and Iran can even be constructed without such reengagement and investment of political capital.

Unfortunately, however, the administration has wandered so far off course that nothing short of a policy reboot will work. On one Mideast journey during the Lebanon crisis this summer, Secretary Rice was forced to return to Washington in embarrassing dejection—she was unwelcome in any regional capital outside Jerusalem. Her return visit last month was derided in the Israeli and  Arab press alike as promising little and achieving even less. Envoys have been dispatched sporadically (Gen. Anthony Zinni, Amb. John Wolf) but to little effect. Attempts to advance economic development have failed because they haven’t been matched with a political framework. The core issues of the conflict—land, borders, Jerusalem, security cooperation—were abandoned as too difficult and have now been exacerbated on the ground. The administration’s repeated failure to take any initiative—when Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas replaced Yassir Arafat, when the Saudis introduced their peace plan, when Ehud Olmert was elected on a platform of territorial withdrawal, when the Syrians called for a return to peace talks—ill-served both American and Israeli interests. Hence, the need for a commission.

The implications of such a commission for Israel will weigh heavily on Democrats for legitimate reasons of substance and of domestic politics. It is these considerations that create the temptation to move rightwards of the administration on this issue. However, succumbing to that temptation could be both bad policy and bad politics.

Recently, there has been a tendency to conflate the neoconservative agenda with the Israeli interest. This is both wrong-headed and disastrous for Israel’s predicament. There is a narrative that links America and Israel’s common interests that is not of neoconservative design. The Democratic Congress needs to discover that narrative. 

During the election campaign, some Democrats with Jewish constituencies did make the connection by noting that the Iraq war strengthens jihadists and emboldens Iran. Now, there’s a second sentence that needs to be articulated: American disengagement from the peace process and from its active mediating role has also been bad for Israel.

To guarantee its future as a secure Jewish and democratic state, Israel needs agreed and recognized borders. The vast majority of Israelis understand this, and the precedent was set in evacuating Gaza. Israel is now groping for a formula to part ways with the West Bank (minus the agreed mutual modifications to 1967 line), and Palestinian areas of East Jerusalem. But rather than help smooth this difficult transition, the United States merely appears uninterested.

For Democratic legislators to make this argument and to encourage a policy rethink via a Baker-Hamilton study group, the politics will also have to add up. That calculation isn’t so simple. In recent years, the GOP has made a bold play to peel off Jewish supporters and donors by citing President Bush’s strong support for Israel. Democrats may worry that establishing a commission to assess those policies might advance this GOP effort.

No doubt it will on the margins. But anecdotal and polling evidence suggest that the silent majority of the Jewish community is hungry for a progressive move to renew peace efforts and hope: Democrats would likely be surprised at just how favorably much of their Jewish base would respond to a new direction. This path also offers the chance to prevent a looming rift between the Democratic Jewish base and the progressive foreign policy community. A pro-peace process Democratic voice that is at the same time firmly pro-Israel (remember President Clinton?) could help prevent a schism between these two key constituencies. So far, however, Democrats have allowed Republicans to “out-pro-Israel” them, by failing to challenge a neocon orthodoxy that ultimately damages Israel and the United States. A large part of the pro-Israel community appears ready for this message.

Some may object to James Baker co-chairing the effort—his tough stand towards Israel’s settlement policy didn’t earn him many fans. But he is the Republican inheritance of the bipartisan study group, has credibility in the region, and did, after all, bring the then-Likud-Shamir Israeli government to the Madrid Peace Conference.

So, a remandated Baker-Hamilton Study group on the Middle East peace process could offer the administration a face-saving way to change course.  Just as the Iraq Study Group was given the mandate to talk to anyone and everyone it chose, so, too, should the Baker-Hamilton commission have the freedom to gather information from all experts and interested parties—including those that the White House currently deems to be beyond the conversational pale.

Once the commission has gathered all the facts, it would provide new policy options to the administration, just as it will do on Iraq. While it’s impossible to say what such a commission would recommend, we know enough to hazard a pretty good guess. As secretary of state, Baker believed in shuttle diplomacy and recently said the administration should talk to Syria. Lee Hamilton signed a recent call by the International Crisis Group for urgent action towards a comprehensive settlement of the Arab-Israeli conflict. We can expect, then, that the commission will engage in a fundamental reassessment of the administration’s existing policy. Is the Middle East Roadmap still salvageable, or is a new framework necessary? Should the Quartet mechanism (the United States, European Union, the U.N. Secretary General’s representative, and Russia) be further empowered to monitor and cajole the parties? Would Palestinians, led by Hamas or Fatah or a combination of the two, be better tested by setting security rather than declarative targets? Is there a need to publicly issue clear parameters for an endgame peace arrangement, to which the various parties would be expected to respond? The commission would address all these questions.

A full U.S. reengagement would likely need to include, in parallel, the political issues of land, borders, demilitarization and settlements, along with immediate on-the-ground needs (especially regarding the Palestinians) of humanitarian assistance, economic rehabilitation and a mutually respected ceasefire. The allied Arab states could be asked to play an active supporting role—including early gestures of public diplomacy towards Israel, providing the Israeli government with both vital assurances and an important marketing tool. An envoy to lead the bold initiative would almost certainly be needed, and former World Bank chair James Wolfensohn (who briefly played this role during disengagement) might be recalled with a new mandate.

Democrats are already looking ahead to 2009, when they may return to the White House. If they do, they’re going to need a Middle East policy that is sounder than President Bush’s and can garner enough political support to succeed. That won’t be easy. But handing the Middle East brief to a bipartisan commission is perhaps the least-risky way to begin that effort.

Moreover, the region cannot wait until 2009. Israel’s wounded Olmert government needs help to navigate its way back to a peace process without which it has little reason to be in office. And, especially after Hizbollah’s success this summer, the allied Arab states need to prove to their people that a moderate, U.S.-friendly approach can deliver results on the Palestinian issue. Syria needs a practical alternative to its alliance with Iran and its unhelpful meddling in Lebanon, Palestine, and Iraq. And the Palestinians themselves desperately need a clear signal that non-violent negotiations can secure something more than an endless armed struggle, a reverse is the lesson of recent years. We all need to understand that political Islamists are not cut from the same cloth. By lumping them together, we pursue policies that strengthen the al-Qaedists and other anti-democratic forces. Of course, there is no guarantee that President Bush would follow such a study group’s advice. But Congress would have done its duty and tried; and Americans, the region and the world would take note. And today, that, too, is something.


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I guess al-Qaeda is not really a "force". On the other hand, by lumping together Syria, Hamas and all other Palestinian militants, Hezbollah and Iran, we can cause them to get together, and together with Iraq and Jordan.

For this reason, Israel maximizes her short term security by keeping Palestinians under siege, but this is potentially very detrimental to her long term security. By destroying Iraq as a separate player, we created a single arc of actions/reactions extending from Mediterranean to India. "Lumping them together" is not wise.

Lots and lots of words. The USA needs a consistent foreign policy. Why should Israel have nuclear weapons and not Iran? Israel has no right to the land they are on, let alone what they have stolen since. They have a chance to get along with their neighbors and keep it (what they were unlawfully given), of which they will not avail. They are sowing the seeds of their next holocaust, and the USA is pushing them towards it. If we wanted to help Israel, we would stop supporting them. Put all the words into it you want- if Israel and the US continues their aggression towards Palestine, it will end like WWII, and they can blame no-one but themselves, plus as an added benefit, the whole world can hear the survivors cry about it till the end of time, and call anyone that denies Israel the right to steal and kill anti-semitic.

There is a narrative that links America and Israel’s common interests that is not of neoconservative design. The Democratic Congress needs to discover that narrative.

There are some wonderful ideas in your article, Daniel, the above being one of the best. I pray that it will happen.

 

Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them. --Paul Valery

The US needs to
1. provide Isreal with undoubted security
2. decouple from its foreign policy and
3. provide a way for the palestinian refugees to leave the camps.

1. Could be accomplished by stationing a permanent US military force in Isreal. Perhaps those bases we clearly intended for Iraq. Perhaps relocating some or all of the US forces
in Germany. A truly secure Isreal would have less need to employ the West Bank as a buffer
against an Arab invasion.


2. Means at least going back to our stance under
Bush 41 and Jim Baker. Preferably further. We should support Isreal when it's right. When it's wrong we should not .( For example end our automatic membership in the tiny minority in those 162 to 3 UN votes.) That won't by itself restore us to something like an neutral broker. Nothing will. But we will at least stop actively preventing any chance of sometime regaining that position.

3. We should finance emptying the Palestinian refugee camps. After six decades let those people return to a normal life somewhere . Just to establish an order of magnitude , assume we gave $10,000 to each family which agreed to leave , and the same amount to each country that agreed to admit them as residents - not in yet another camp- but as ordinary citizens in ordinary homes and jobs . For a million families that would cost $20 billion , 10% of what we've spent in Iraq .

You are absolutely right.

America needs to put all its weight behind the two-state solution.

Unfortunately, Congress -- whether Democratic or Republican -- is less interested in gentle persuasion than in funding.

The Dems need to hold Congress in '08. Let's do everything we can to persuade Congress that continuing its present policy of "support" for Israel will lead to Israel's demise. And let's do what the status quo lovers do: raise millions for candidates who will support Israel not by reading statements drafted for them by lobbyists or by introducing racist anti-Arab resolutions but by advancing two-states for two people.

Those who disagree and think that the standard way of "support" for Israel is helpful must be very sad today. Israel's number one supporter in Congress, according to the lobbyists, was St. Santorum. And now he's gone.

But guess what. His rhetorical loudmouthing
about Israel only hurt Israel, if it did anything at all.

The same can be said of the Democrats who use the same talking points as Santorum.

The glorious new 101st can help bring peace to the region. But how about some Jews encouraging them.

Three quarters of American Jews support an end to the occupation. Let's hear their voices and see their checkbooks.

Presume you are talking about the glorious new 110th Congress, not the glorious old 101st Airborne.

The 101st airborne was pretty damn glorious. We'll see about the 110th Congress!
THANKS

danielius,

Israel has no right to the land they are on, let alone what they have stolen since.

Jewish and Arab national rights in former Madatory Palestine are not mutually exclusive.  Denying as much is extremist war-mongering.

Mr. Levy and Mr. Rosenberg

I appreciate that both of you are very sincere in your commitments and want a just peace. However, who do you represent? It seems that both of you speak for a very small portion of both the Israeli population and the American Jewish population.

As best as I can tell there is a large constituency to give up much of the West Bank in order for their to be a Palestinian States. Thus the election of the Kadima Party. However, the actions of the Palestinians after Israel withdrew, the firing of missiles at Israel and the actions of Hezbollah have all reduced the support for further withdraw. Do you believe that even if the United States were to browbeat Israel any Israeli government would act counter to the will of their voters?b
Daniel A. Greenbaum

This thread is being censored.

Three quarters of American Jews support an end to the occupation. Let's hear their voices and see their checkbooks.

Possibly the missing element is real conviction that the end of the occupation would be " good for the jews". My suggestion to station troops there is usually greeted with understandable scorn. But it's precisely what we've done in Korea for  50 years where we combine that with the sort of vigorous disagreements about  foreign policy which should  also  apply as much with respect to Isreal as it does with our other friends.

As to the Palestine diaspora , a neighbor is a principal in the Crisis Group and when I asked "what about the palestinians refugees ", the answer was " Everyone knows what's going to be done".

Oh ? Not me.

Supposedly Arafat's rationale for rejecting Camp David ( and I think Taba) was  insistence on the Right of Return and-the Israeli's claimed-  therefore  the end of the Jewish State.

(Personally I found both positions understandable.)

But whether or not it is a strategic necessity  to resettle those refugees ,I think it is moral one they be resettled somewhere .  

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which may be a good thing.

Considering the usual rate of movements in public opinion, it seems a longer road back to international respectability for American foreign policy than Israelis and Palestinians truly have.  Meanwhile, there is a ripple of an intrigueing idea from a small corner of Europe:

Italian members of the European Parliament intend to embark on an international campaign to further a proposal to include Israel in the European Union after peace agreements are signed in accordance with international law.

Behind the initiative are the two MEPs of a small party, the Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe, one of whom, Marco Cappato, arrived in Israel to further the idea....

"The sense of fear is real," Cappato says, "and one of the ways through which the Israelis could overcome the fear and reach settlements with the Palestinians and the Syrians is throug h joining a large block like Europe." ....

Cappato is a proponent of the idea that Europe should "reach from one to the other side of the Mediterranean." As such, any country along the Mediterranean coast that meets the necessary criteria on human rights and international law could join the EU.

"We must tell the Arabs that we will not leave them to their dictators," Cappato says.

The campaign, which is scheduled to begin in the coming months in Europe, will include non-violent action.

It's always smart to take a soft approach towards mass murdering, genocidal enemies.

danielius is a perfect example of why the left is so dangerous, and also that the left is itself bigoted towards Israeli Jews and opposes their rights to THEIR land and Jewish self-determination.

"On the other hand, by lumping together Syria, Hamas and all other Palestinian militants, Hezbollah and Iran"
..............................
Uh well, they already ARE together. Syria and Iran fund, provide arms to, provide havens for hamas and hezbollah. piotr-just another clueless leftist.

danielius doesn't represent the "left" in any meaningful way. Unlike you, who, with your mindlessly alarmist assertions of national destruction and genocide, are firmly in the mainstream of the right.

Repeated polls have shown that some 60% of Israelis would give up every inch of the West Bank in return for peace.
You can find these on line.
Holding the West Bank is far more popular in Brooklyn than in Tel Aviv.

Censoring is not a good thing unless folks like incestuous amplification of their views like the President does..

The toughest issues to resolve are the "right of return" and final borders. That would appear to involve convincing each side to swallow a bitter pill, with the Palestinians giving up the "right of return" beyond the borders of the ultimate Palestinian state and the Israelis agreeing to borders very much approximating the 1967 borders, with mutual recognition of each state's legitimacy within its borders. (It is often said that this outcome is "what everybody knows is going to happen" - yet it is an unacceptable outcome for a significant percentage of the population on each side, and thus nothing changes.)

The traditional approach has been to focus on the easy stuff, and leave those two issues to a later date. I think the opposite approach is necessary - if both parties know what will happen after peace is achieved, there is a much better chance of achieving peace. If the Israelis know that every settlement past a particular boundary line will have to be vacated, they will not build settlements on that land. If the Palestinians know that they can have a meaningful state, but not until they cease hostilities against Israel, they have a clear choice to make. (And if their political leaders have already agreed to the resolution, it shouldn't be a hard choice.)

The big problem with the Israel-Palestinian conflict is that (a) it is a political football being severely exploited for political advantage by several factions within US domestic politics and (b) it is easy for those factions to sabotage the peace process in order to continue exploiting that conflict.

The US federal debt will approach $9.9 TRILLION in 2008 just as the baby boomers start retiring. The superrich men who employ the Republican party are desperate to derail the huge tax increases that will be needed to redeem Bush's IOUs to the Social Security/Medicare Trust Funds.

The real masters of the Bush/Cheney Administration --who probably would not care if Israel was nuked off the face of the earth tomorrow -- are feigning unbounded support for Israel's right wing in order to cripple the Democratic Party --by luring the billionaire financiers who support the Democrats over to the side of the Republicans. As I documented yesterday, FEC data for the 2004 election showed that they were partially succeeding.

By the way, what happened to AM Rosenberg's article yesterday (on Jewish grassroots support for the Democrats in this election.)?? The article and comments disappeared --even from the archives -- last night.

In my opinion, the Republican strategy poses a danger for American Jews as a group. Republicans are taking a page from Hitler -- who used common German Jews as hostages in order to extort support from the Warburgs and to deter powerful Jewish leaders in the USA from supporting America's entry into WWII. (The Holocaust didn't kick into gear when Hitler took power in the early 1930s -- it kicked in when the USA entered the war in 1942.)

By PUBLICLY giving Neocons extreme influence (and hence Responsibility for ) US Middle East policy -- and by making the Israel Lobby complicit in extreme measures which damage America (Iraq war,etc.) -- the Republicans are trying to gain the means to blackmail the Democratic billionaires who also support Israel. The threat being that if those billionaires don't keep Democratic members of Congress in line on taxes,etc --then America will start hearing about how the sinister machinations of the "Israel Lobby" are responsible for 3000 dead sons
in Iraq. (And we may start hearing about One of the 3 reasons Bin Laden gave for the 911 attack)

People who find out that their sons have died because of a political con game react with strong fury and hatred. Often that rage is misdirected by the very people who are really running the con game.

If you get seduced into a criminal activity, you need to know who's the sucker that's going to take the fall if things go bad. If you don't know who that sucker is, then it's probably you.

To give a historical example of where the Neocons are headed, look at WWI, Versailles,and the rise of the Nazis.

Jewish financiers in New York City were actually supporters of Germany in WWI -- in part, because of the vicious anti-Semitic campaigns of Germany's enemy --the Tsar of Russia. In part because some of those Jews had emigrated to America from Germany.
Even the Balfour Declaration was aimed more at lessening their resistance rather than gaining their support.

The greedy money hunt at Versailles that raped Germany was not led by Jewish financiers -- it was led by gentiles at JP Morgan who were anglophiles and who wanted the British and French governments to loot Germany so those governments could pay off their huge loans to JP Morgan.

But after German rage led to the rise of the Nazis, who got stuck with the blame?
Who of the 5 million Jews killed in the Holocaust was at Versailles?

So how was Hitler able to put across the Big Lie? With the help of the predecessors to today's Neocons -- the few Jewish radicals who led the splinter group of the Social Democrats and Communists. The few who led munitions strikes at a critical moment in the war. Their stupid gestures later allowed Hitler to lie about "the stab in the back".

Today's Neocons are the same stupid,self-centered, selfish and irresponsible morons. Possessed of low animal cunning and talent for manipulation but fundamentally ignorant and unwise. Pat Buchanan hilariously described the Neocons as "Trotskyite boat people who rafted over to the Republican Party " after McGovern led the Democratic Party into disaster.

Why should America's 6 millions Jews be dragged down by such?

Clarification: When I said above that "Jewish financiers in New York City were actually supporters of Germany in WWI "
I was referring to the years prior to America's entry into the war. When the question of which side to support and neutrality was being debated.

Thank G-d, nothing you hope for, jerk, is going to happen. Emmanuel and Schumer have made sure that the only Democrats getting Party help will be as staunchly pro-Israel as they are, and they will never twist Israel's arm to give Hamas more of the West Bank, and Hezbollah more of Shebaa Farms, the way you dangerous doves want.

Consider the reality after Tuesday:

Rep. Hostettler, gone
Sen. Chafee, gone
Rep. Hayworth, gone

All three were no friends of Israel

Joe Lieberman, who certainly is, is now the single most important player in the U.S. Senate.

No Democrat who lives in the reality-based world, and who doesn't want to be gone too, will do as you hope; AND THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF DANGEROUS JEWISH DOVES LIKE YOU AND ROSENBERG TO CHANGE THAT REALITY.

Instead of wasting everybody's time with silly musings, get your friends like Hannah Ashrawi to get Hamas to stop shelling Sderot. Those eighteen civilian deaths for which Israel--unlike Arafat or Hamas--took responsibility, would be alive today if Hamas hadn't done that.

Great idea!
Could be passed as a 'sense of the Senate' resolution or something; expand Iraq Study Group to Israel/Palestine

Oh, and one more thing, having the man who (a) told Bush 41 that the way to break Prime Minister Shamir was to threaten in 1991 to cut $10 billion in loan guarantees to Israel,

and (b) told Bush 41 that the way to show he was not a wimp was to denigrate all the pro-Israel Americans who lobbied Congress to pass the guarantees,

be the leader of a commission to tell Congress and the Administration how to move the Mideast peace process forward is so laughably absurd as to render ANYTHING you say suspect.

"By the way, what happened to AM Rosenberg's article yesterday (on Jewish grassroots support for the Democrats in this election.)?? The article and comments disappeared --even from the archives -- last night."

I wondered this also,

"The threat being that if those billionaires don't keep Democratic members of Congress in line on taxes,etc --then America will start hearing about how the sinister machinations of the "Israel Lobby" are responsible for 3000 dead sons
in Iraq. "

Many Americans probably already think this. Particularly, those who listen to Colin Powell regarding the imbalance of US foreign policy with reagrd to Israel. Many blue collar Americans believe we at at war in the ME for Israel and oil. After all 'you lied and my son died' was a mantra in Bushes first term...and the question that follows that mantra is the one Bush would not answer for Helen Thomas 'why did we go into Iraq'....add that to Michael Moore's movie and the Carlye Group entourate he shows ...and most Americans have long held the thought that the Israel Lobby is repsonisble for Americans dying in the ME.

To M.J. Rosenberg--

Is Bob Casey going to put the screws to Israel? Of course not. That's why I was glad to see him beat Santorum.

One of the contributors to bitterlemons seems to me to be making the same point.

Since it's pretty fair to say the "easy-stuff" approach has come up empty, there's nothing to lose. It would be refreshingly honest.

told Bush 41 that the way to show he was not a wimp was to denigrate all the pro-Israel Americans who lobbied Congress to pass the guarantees

wimp ? denigrate ? all ?

If you are actually trying to convince anyone , a bit less irony would be useful.. Bush 41 (like John Kerry) served bravely in a war he could have avoided. The guy we glimpsed - in the film clip showing him arriving at a rescuing sub after his plane was shot down- was no wimp . And had no reason reason to prove he wasn't.

Nor did either Bake or Bush have any reason to "denigrate" those who supported the guarantees. No doubt Baker and Bush disagreed with them but disagreement does not =denigrating.

Baker's foreign policy arguably put more pressure on Isreal than has been generally the case over the last couple of decades. Which might possibly  have been in Isreal's longer run interests. And maybe that would impair his credibility as a long wolf advisor now on Isreali matters. But not to act as co chairman of a group advising on Iraq.

In Skidelsky's biography of Keynes he describes the casually anti semitic-Jewish friends and freely made anti semitic remarks- Keynes illegally and somewhat dangerously collaborating with a member of the German Versailles delegation to do an end run around a bloody minded misunderstanding preventing food from reaching Germany whose children were literally starving to death (also see Keneally's Gossip from the Forest).

Keynes later found that his collaborater was a Jewish banker. And he became another of Keynes' Jewish friends without particularly reducing
Keynes' anti semitic remarks.

Who caused WW 1 ? The Kaiser lit the match
but the usual suspects provided the kindling.
Not intending what actually happened . The suspects all bought into the Norman Angell fallacy that the preceding decades' exponential expansion in international commerce meant there couldn't be a long war. (Sound familiar? "When will they[Tom Friedman and his Golden arches theory] ever learn" ? )

My suggestion to station troops there is usually greeted with understandable scorn. But it's precisely what we've done in Korea for 50 years where we combine that with the sort of vigorous disagreements about foreign policy which should also apply as much with respect to Isreal as it does with our other friends.

If Israel would dismantle all of its settlements in the West Bank and end its occupation, I would support a US military presence in Israel so long as it was part of a broad-based negotated solution. But I don't believe Americans should ever place troops in a country that is occupying and colonizing neighboring territories.

Just doing my bit to test the system so don't take it personally although calling posters names isn't very nice and isn't against it the rules?
No matter, I'll rate another one of your comments a 4 to compensate for the 0.

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