The 24 Houses of Borat de Sade
There is a tremendous amount of critical euphoria over the movie Borat, and rather obviously so – nothing works its magic on critics than a movie about how ordinary people are stupid cattle and media people are on the cocaine of their own confidence. Throw in stupid gross out humor and racially charged jokes, and you have the recipe for an Andy Kaufmanesque critical success combined with box office bonanza. But one of the most startling points of both the criticism and the movie itself is that neither "get" what they are really about, and that "it" is the real ur-topic of our moment.
The power of sadism and the necessity of torture.
One thing that has stopped surprising me is how supposedly liberal critics fall all over reactionary stories. The new Battlestar Galactica is a case in point: Salon magazine's television critic, and several other people, react as if the point would be to "put the shoe on the other foot", and get people to face how we would behave if the tables of the war on terrorism were turned. The gag is that the right wing world already believes this. The story isn't a transposition of a narrative, instead, it is a very ploddingly told version of the narrative itself – from ineffectual political leaders, to the French looking liberal in bed with the terrorists, to the ability of goooood old fashioned hetero-sexual repro-fucking to purify the worst sinner. Even the shift from the exotic, and hebraic, original mythology, to the classicized new version is part of the change of an original which was Manifest Destiny in Space, to the present which is, without apology, the right wing mythology of the war on terror and the clash of civilizations.
But Battlestar Galactica only touches on the deeper question of our age – is it moral and necessary to torture for the sake of civilization. With one rousing chorus, the film critics have cheered "Yes! You must torture to get the truth." Pain purifies, and the New York Times, Salon and Slate all agree – it is the deception and torture which make Borat able to elicit the truth.
The question of torture, or rather, frame for the sake of setting up an excuse to torture, is at the heart of two shows, both of them hits. Combined with the Borat movie, far more so than the television show, they make a persuasive case that the reactionaries have won the cultural question of sadism.
Sadism saves. Consider Stephanie Zacharek:
But that, I'm afraid, is the way the knish crumbles. If the public needs to be protected from humor, then there's no way humor can do its job -- particularly if that job is sometimes a dirty one. In "Borat," Cohen plays Borat Sagdiyev, a joyously anti-Semitic, bigoted, sex-obsessed, disco-dancing, English-mangling Kazakh TV journalist who comes to America to report on the customs and mores of the American people. This is one of the funniest and most pointed satires in years, but it's also one of the most complex, not so much because of the way it so outrageously exaggerates Borat's anti-Semitism, but because Cohen's methods -- which depend on bamboozling ordinary citizens -- are sometimes morally suspect. I've seen "Borat" twice, and I laughed almost as hard the second time as I did the first. But both times I left the movie feeling a little shaky, as if I'd just taken part in an amusement achieved by questionable means. Everyone who sees and enjoys "Borat" will walk away with a favorite line from it. (I'm somewhat partial to the way he approaches a pleasant Midwestern woman running a yard sale and, believing she's a gypsy, shakes an old Barbie at her accusingly: "Who is this lady you have shrunk?") But the true brilliance of "Borat" may lie deeply buried between the almost infinite number of quotable lines: Sometimes we can't face up to our own capacity for cruelty -- but at least we can get a gag out of it.
and in the end admitting –
But "Borat" is not a guilt-free pleasure. We can laugh at Cohen's unwitting marks, because they're not us. But really, we're just lucky that we weren't in his line of fire.
And isn't that exactly the distinction that pushed through the MCA – distinguishing from legitimate "enemy combatants" from the rest of us? To keep us out of the line of fire. The moral queasiness that Salon's television critic feels should have been followed down the rabbit hole – because at the bottom of she would have found us.
That is, indeed, the way the constitution crumbles in Abu Ghraib, in order to protect society from one evil, we must use cruelty and deception. Zacharek admits this is "morally questionable". But so does Dick Cheney in his more contemplative moments. The argument then isn't over the use of torture to get at the truth, merely who needs to be tortured how to defend against which evil.
Ron Rosenbaum gets that a problem with the film is its smugness:
hey get a car dealer to speak casually about running over Gypsies, a rodeo crowd member to speak approvingly of lynching gays, and a drunken frat boy to start a riff that leads from "whites are a minority" to "Jews are in control." The portrait of America doesn't seem representative but selective, designed with disdain.
But then, everything in this film is dumbed down—both Borat and the ordinary people ridiculed in the movie. Maybe it had to be done to blow up the sketch to feature length, but maybe sometimes not everything needs to be blown up.
But fails to see that the reason for the dumbing down isn't the loss of an essential element of the original, but an unleashing of it. Borat's creator is beyond reach of the wit. Voltaire knew better – he skewered himself, as a way of keeping the game honest.
But the New York Times' Manohla Dargis falls for it completely, enthusing:
That scene may inspire accusations that Mr. Baron Cohen is simply trading on cultural and regional stereotypes, and he is, just not simply. The brilliance of “Borat” is that its comedy is as pitiless as its social satire, and as brainy.
And so does the Washington Post's Ann Hornaday:
In addition to the hopelessly un-cool "Not!," "Jew" is a favorite Borat punch line, but Gypsies and Uzbeks aren't much luckier, as he haplessly makes a hash of American notions of patriotism, pluralism and political correctness. In the comedic tradition of Larry David, "Punk'd," "South Park," the late Andy Kaufman and Stephen Colbert, Borat pushes humor to its most discomfiting edges, eliciting howls and winces in equal measure. The result is a perfect combination of slapstick and satire, a Platonic ideal of high- and lowbrow that manages to appeal to our basest common denominators while brilliantly skewering racism, anti-Semitism, sexism and that peculiarly American affliction: we're-number-one-ism.
While catering to the cultural sense of "we are number oneism".
24 is the most naked set up – where people engage in emotional sadism at "the Counter Terrorism Unit" upon each other as the way of moving the organization along – emotional torture is their human resources program – but more importantly, sequential torturing their way along the terrorist chain. The "ticking bomb" pressure point is nakedly displayed, and by itself, is of little interest. However, what hooked many, liberal, viewers was the use of very 1960's esque techniques of avant-garde cinema. This is a general pattern of reactionary narrative having learned how to handle the pop techne, and part of how the 1960's generation is pulled in to reactionary narrative: the surface was the heuristic – or "the medium is the message".
House is a more interesting object, because torturing for truth is now at one step removed. In essence, Dr. House tortures people and breaks the rules. His method of diagnosis is to do painful and dangerous things to people until the truth leaps out at him. Sometimes he is wrong, but usually he ends up right. Between "aha!" moments of logical brilliance, to conniving illegalities, the set up in the first season was House always being right, and some "poor dullard" standing in his way. The second season has become more complex, with House's style, and limitations, setting into play more and more violent pain on his patients, and more and more repercussions for himself. But the set up remains – the way House finds the truth is by inflicting systematic pain, engaging in logical detection, in order to stop "the ticking bomb" which is a medical program.
House is morally perverse - by making House the doctor who directly saves lives, it creates an argument that is formally the same as George Bush's on terrorism, but with different content so that people do not notice.
Borat, the movie, is a movie in celebration of sadism. It makes fun of everyone, except the sadist himself: Sacha Baron Cohen divorces himself from the Borat persona, and attacks from behind the conceit that criticism of him is anti-semitic. The sadism is implicit in the results – from people lied to, to jobs lost, to an open admission that satire must be sadistic. Borat is the Patriot Act brought to the screen. And not as a comedy.
Borat the, on television, could be chillingly amusing, but it still hid behind the fundamental sadism of the media age – you have to go along with the guy with the camera. Critics mistake "get along" behavior to do anti-social things, with media behavior to do anti-social things. No one who sees Borat will doubt that anyone dealing with him knows that there is something media happening here, even if they don't see the camera.
Borat the movie takes Andy Kaufman's counter humor – and his sadistic impulses – out through the other end of the media age. Kaufman understood that the humiliation he inflicted on people was because of the power of show business and media – using the conventions of the video age against the conventions of the stage age. Kaufman's target, was the dying stylization of vaudeville and the theatrical fake – wrestling, mediums, song and dance numbers – as well as the emerging stylizations of the pop age. He clearly loved and understood the theatre world. It was not the pain he inflicted, but his understanding of timing, gags and misdirection, which made his satire work. He could satirize gently as well as crassly.
Borat does not have a theatre world to properly satrize. He is not sticking a knife into a still warm corpse, but coldly using the parody of the Romantic age that the modern age lives on. This is why the movie is tiresome, because it isn't just Borat who is smug, it is Sacha Baron Cohen. He's smug for a reason – namely, he is far smarter than the people who write about him, and he knows exactly how to push their buttons.
It was Foucault who told us that each age needs an opposite – an unreason to match reason, a stupid to match smart. Laurel and Hardy were stupid about the coming mechanical age – they were stupid about how to make their way in a changing world. Smart was knowing how things were in a more fast paced time. Laurel and Hardy were always one step behind, trial and error, much of both. Peter Sellars' inspector Clousseau, by contrast, is inept at dealing with the kalaedascopic interactions of people. He is not a modern, but a post-modern. He's a modern, he knows how the system works, which is how he manages to stay in place, but the web of reference and connection is beyond him.
Borat recreates stupid for the court age. It is the faux pas which is funny, the shit that shits from all the shit around us. We are aware of how thin the veneer is, in part because it has been made thinner over time – look at how little make up women wear compared to the 1950's – another sign of the death of theatricality. But also because we are constantly obsessed with it. Shit, is big business, and people spend a great deal of time, and make a great deal of money, handling it, wiping it, perfuming it and regularizing it. We have more in common with the ancien regime, because we wander about with our shitloads full to the gills, waiting for the chance to literally, or metaphorically, drop them.
Which is why we are entertained by this carnival of pain.
The other component, however, is the self-congratulatory nature of the modern over the romantic. This component, present in Titanic at a scale large than the ship itself – is what is different from greater comedies of the past and present, and even from Borat the television show.
Let's unwind this. Borat's homeland is a place where the folk-romantic ideology is still in place. The folk-romantic was a construction, largely of the 1750-1850 era. Things such as Scots Tartans were systematized, folk songs written down, "native" languages reinvented and folk epics written in them. This nationalized folk ethos is both positive and negative. From it comes the popular republican mythology, the egalitarianism – foreign to the Enlightenment which was aristocratic and elitist to the core – as well as the heroic and inventive spirit. What we think of as romantic love in marriage is a gift of this age. It is also the age which created racism as we understand it. Particularly as Europeans came into colonial power over other people different from themselves. Previously the European exceptionalism had been Christianity, or some specific franchise of it, over "heathens". This does not work as a colonial ethos for long, for the simple reason that colonials must convert their slaves and servants. But once converted, the exceptionalism is gone. A new basis for exceptionalism was required.
The age of absolutism dealt with this by brute force – since the society of the Absolute monarch was strictly hierarchical, filled with arbitrary chains of command – Austrian houses ruling from Spain over Dutch possessions, for example – there was no reason to worry about viceroys ruling over converted subject peoples, or even interbreeding with them. During the British East India Company's charter power over British possessions it was not unusual for men there to have native wives. This all changed with the Raj.
What changed was the sense of division, no longer was it acceptable to have an arbitrary lord/serf relationship – Europeans from the medieval through the age of reason had no qualms about these relationships – but there had to be something intrinsic that made the separation. The Romantic, which laid the ground work for the idea of evolution and genetics, based on the idea that there had to be intrinsic differences that manifested themselves by extrinsic characteristics – also had a need to harp upon bigotry and marry it to the concept of "race". The concept was suspect even then. There is no German Race by 1700, with migration, war, uprooting, mercenary movement, mercantile opportunism – nor much of any other unique line of descent other than a few populations. But visual identification was the best they had, and the need to draw a distinction based on it was a social, economic and cultural need.
The romantic nationalist state as the carrier of bigotry culminated by being mixed with the modern – in the Nazi state, which took modern geometric order, industrialized expansion, itself a product of the 19th century's system of thought – and warped them together with the power of both broadcast media, and nihilistic racism. Borat bounces in as the comic incarnation of the Romantic national –even the title of the movie states clearly that the ur-target is the Romantic national state.
And from there headlong into being dishonest with itself and with us.
Borat is witty - taking cold eye to pieties. The Defamation League should not bother criticizing the ersatz racism – since anyone who can't get the intent never will anyway. But it lacks humor, and it lacks self reflection. This, of course, is why it is so popular with the chattering classes, since not dealing with their own assumptions is a need they have. It satirizes the surface of media, and the surface of the age, while smugly congratulating itself for not being romantic nationalist racist.
But what it is, is Bushite. On one layer it attacks Bushism – Borat is a Bush League Bush – with a complete incomprehension of the world beyond his narrow borders, a head filled with fixed notions about the world, and unlimited ability to believe that, to riff off of Douglas Adams, he is definitive, reality is frequently inaccurate. But even as it attacks Bushism, it embraces it. That is because it is the product of a mind as certain as Bush, and it accepts the fundamental assertion that the truth is gained through deception and pain.
Borat the television snippet does, from time to time, get this smug self-congratulatory aura, but it undermines it just as quickly. More over, it has other jokes in its arsenal. Borat the movie has no other theme except a simultaneous puffery about how much better than the Victorians its makers are, and at the same time, a complete lack of comprehension of its own sadism. Other people are bad, but not the people who can laugh at this film.
Ultimately Borat would have been better off without the conceit and serious purpose – it could have been one of a number of stupid comedies – Harold and Kumar, Wayne's World, South Park – which gored every sacred cow available. But by creating a sacred cow, the movie, like "The Passion of the Christ", it reveals more about its makers than it intended. The Passion of the Christ was "Road Warrior" in slow motion – masochism raised to religion. Borat is the reverse, it shows how much we, in our time, have the desire to inflict pain, to make other people wince as a reprisal against the daily humiliations that we suffer through.
The internet and talk radio have risen on this wave, and Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh are filled with the power of media to make masochists perform. Blogging, with its hard rips and knocks is likewise, the celebration of this pre-revolutionary rebellion against the neo-victorianism of false civility. Borat, as House and 24 show, is hardly alone in celebrating Sadism, or even the idea that it takes pain to produce the truth. Increasingly this is how groups communicate with each other in the media age – by inflicting pain on those who transgress.
Borat, by saying that there are privileged people who can inflict pain – and Cohen does this by making his person sacred and separate from the character, and thus the mastermind – has embraced the central idea of Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and the MCA. No matter how liberal or socially anti-racist it appears, it is embracing the new exceptionalism, one which, as Bush tells us, is not really racial or religious, but based on some other quality. Bush calls it "Democracy" and the personal quality "Freedom", but what he is really saying is that there is an inner quality.
In the 19th century Napoleon provide the matrix of those who believed themselves superior in having what Nietzsche would call "the will to power". In this moment Churchill has often been used in the same way – as the great spirit that people like Bush channel. In that time the ability to kill, see Crime and Punishment for examples, was the ability to kill. Perhaps we need an update, where it is the police officer who tortures his way to a complete disaster, and is pursued by the victim.
There's no arguing with a sense of humor, if you laugh at it, it is funny to you. And no one can really tell someone not to find something funny. However, one can point out when humor is more than simply mean spirit, and when it becomes a wall for self-deception. Borat the movie is a cultural learnings that would only really be funny to two countries famous for not speaking other languages, whose basic gag is the bad English of someone from a country whose language isn't even closely related to English. I doubt most people laughing at Borat could do as well in Central Asia as Borat does here. And more over, I would be willing to bet that they would, in real life, say and do things that are as stupid as Borat, the character, does here. In fact, I am sure of it, because the evidence of Iraq and Afghanistan is precisely that – a bungling trail of stupidities committed by people who do not know the language, culture, or even the place to put their shit.
Borat's maker would probably agree with this sentiment. But why then does he, and his ardent admirers who would also probably agree with it, embrace, explicitly, the ethos created those mistakes – namely the cleansing power of pain? That is why we went into Iraq, nominally at least according to the Congressional Authorization, under the assertion that the only way to get at "real weapons inspections" was to conduct what "Get Your War On" called "Operation Bomb The Living Fuck Out of You". And the way we got to war was a deception under false pretenses, for a false reward. Again, why does Borat the film embrace this, in the most operative way?
Because it isn't guerilla film making, but, well, not all they way up to another "G" word, but certainly the product of power, and not of powerlessness.
The desire to embrace this idea is understandable. We live in an age of people concocting plausible lies – called "opinions" now – and then repeating them with complete confidence, daring someone to find the inconsistency. No amount of logic or discourse seems to be able to shake people now, or perhaps we have selected our public people for the ability to be pathologically compartmentalized from the truth – and hence there is a desire for something else. We have flocked to CSI and Law and Order, which for a while seemed to offer the justice system as the means to truth, but have also seen "Justice" which says the opposite – perhaps it might hit the truth, sort of, sometimes. But there is no connection.
As someone who uses this ethos of pain as a generator of truth, the real lack in the film, from here, is that it fails to satirize the one thing that is most in need of it – that is, like anti-semitism once was, the thing that almost everyone accepts, even though the more perceptive are aware that there is something deeply wrong with it.
See it? If you like the vein of humor it mines, by all means. But don't fall for the attempts to make the film profound. It isn't, but instead is another race around a track that was laid down decades ago, and a celebration of the rut we are in as a culture and a polity.

















Borat is the reverse, it shows how much we, in our time, have the desire to inflict pain, to make other people wince as a reprisal against the daily humiliations that we suffer through.
wow. in this light, i'd love to read your take on Jackass...
November 3, 2006 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
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January 14, 2011 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see House, MD fitting into this argument. House is an expert not because he claims to be an expert but because he demonstrates his depth of knowledge and insight again and again. He's not always right but he's lucky in his treatments, luck being the residue of design. He's not going by his 'gut'.
House's lack of bedside manner isn't sadistic, it's a rejection of what Professor Harry Frankfurt calls Bullshit. Patients bullshit doctors all the time about their true behavior so why listen? That doesn't mean House isn't paying attention, it means that patients are as reliable fact witnesses as Ahmed Chalabi. House practices an amoral medicine but it's an informed medicine. Medicine isn't democracy. Disdain for low information patients isn't the same as bullshiting low information voters. Good medical results are not dependent on patients being medical experts but good democratic results are dependent on an informed citizenry.
November 3, 2006 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
take off your bow tie... cut your word count by at least 2/3... and get your nose out of the air... if it rains, you might drown...
November 3, 2006 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agreed with Joejoejoe's comments about House (for the most part) and want to add that I didn't see how Battlestar Galactica fit into your argument either.
On Galactica, you are right that the good guys engage in torture, suicide bombings, and most recently secret courts and executions. And rigged elections, and assassinations, and often the badguy Cylons (who are up to the same tricks) aren't always on the receiving end of these outrageous abuses. I'm not convinced that Galactica glorifies these events or in any way greates an allegory to excuse torture.
Similarly, I'm not sure sadism in the form of Borat or Jackass has much to do with the torture question. You're talking a good game about entertainment in the form of watching people squirm, but what does that have to do with waterboarding? The one is so far removed from the other, if only in magnitude, that I can't help but feel like you're trivialism the Bush policy.
(And those depictions of torture on Galactica... they weren't funny.)
Maybe I'm losing site of my counterargument, getting bogged down in this minutia... just, back up off Galactica, man.
Ordeal is a fundamental part of human narratives, more often than not inflicted on people by people. I don't think it is a surprise that you don't have to look far to see it all over the place in pop culture. And whether or not our polity is sick, dealing with these things through art, be it geurilla or not, has got to be a good thing.
Honestly, I don't have much opinion on the Borat thing. Its not my cup o' tea. But I do feel that the way Galactica has engages some of these topics, in what I've found to be a sober and unusually direct way, is a darn good thing.
November 3, 2006 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The fundamental assertion of toture, is that truth comes through pain. That only people who are put under confusing or duressed situations are shaken from their scripts and let the truth slip out.
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November 3, 2006 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Increase your IQ by 23 times, get your head out of your ass, and stop eating so many beans before waving your hindquarters in the direction of the keyboard.
Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com
November 3, 2006 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Ordeal is a fundamental part of human narratives,"
Which isn't what I criticized. I didn't even criticize cruelty in humor, because it is an essential element. I specifically criticzed the embracing of a particular point of questionable moral epistemology, and noted that SBC exempts himself from attack, and, in fact, is extremely vehement in exempting himself from the same standards he holds others too.
Which is, again, part and parcel of the theme - there are those that dish it out, and they are not answerable to the rules, call them laws or jokes, that others are.
Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com
November 3, 2006 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
"House is an expert not because he claims to be an expert but because he demonstrates his depth of knowledge and insight again and again. "
House is an expert because of back story and what you see on screen, which, in suspension of disbelief, you accept. The same could be said of George Bush. If House existed in the real world, he long ago would have been put out of business.
You've accepted the set up, just as millions of Americans accepted the back story of Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush being "the Vulcans". According to their fans, they have seen years of uninterupted success which is the residue of the brilliance of their design. It's just that Bushat: Cultural Lemmings for the Glorious Nation is a much lower rated show than it was back in 2001.
"House's lack of bedside manner isn't sadistic, it's a rejection of what Professor Harry Frankfurt calls Bullshit. "
Tell that to the guy who arrested him last episode. After House admits he wanted to use a bigger needle and doesn't apologize.
Heck, the main characters friends point out that he lashes out at people to try and break the veneer, and a long running theme in the series is how House's cruel cynicism is often wrong, or wrong headed.
Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com
November 3, 2006 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm in a Starbucks. The local townies are outside playing with a large box with eyes cut in it. One of them just ran around a corner too fast and slammed into a pillar, and laughed off his own stupidity.
It's a good deal funnier than anything in Boring: Cultural Lemings, because he isn't trying to prove anything. And he doesn't blame other people for being offended by his behavior.
Cohen is trying to prove something, and he gets offended when other people are offended by him.
Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com
November 3, 2006 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see what you are saying with regards to House, MD if you are talking about Dr. House being in pain with a crippled leg and somehow believing the suffering makes him a more focused doctor (a point every other character refutes on a regular basis).
My take on Borat is a lot of people don't find it funny or laugh at Borat because he's a wacky foreigner like Yakov Smirnoff, not a biting satire. People don't want to be seen as obtuse so they ride the critical acclaim wave (nobody is more concerned about being seen as obtuse than a critic) and nod along in befuddled approval. It's like a Stephen Hawking book or polenta becoming fine cuisine, nobody really understands what is happening but they don't want to look stupid so they just go along.
It's like Scalia laughing at Stephen Colbert. Colbert is really zinging Scalia but Scalia is so fat, happy, powerful and quintessentialy American (circa 2006) that he doesn't get it. To him Colbert is like a silly monkey, not a satirist. And Scalia is right to some extent, why should he care what ANYONE thinks? That's the level Borat goes over in the U.S., as a silly monkey. It's more unsettling to see yourself in Borat's America than in Jackass's idiocy so I don't see Borat being the same kind of success. People don't go to the movies to be uncomfortable. People don't torture to get at the truth, they torture for the cruel pleasure of being in total control. If you advocate torture, you are by definition a sadist. That's where we are at today, not in a debate about interrogation methods.
November 3, 2006 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Medicine is different than governing, it's not about popular approval. I buy the setup because doctors have to go to medical school which is difficult, other doctors on the show think House is brilliant, and they show him on occasion reading obscure medical journals. He's not a good doctor because of magical thinking.
Prior to 2000 I thought Bush was an idiot, didn't know much about Cheney other than he was Secretary of Defense under GHWB, thought Colin Powell was very able, thought Rumsfeld was a space weapons zealot, and thought Rice was a Soviet expert which is about as relevant as a Latin expert in today's world. Absent 9/11 I think Rumsfeld would not have survived the first term. With it he was both elevated in stature and exposed. I don't fault people for not knowing Rumsfeld and Cheney were so bad, or for believing Colin Powell would be a moderate counterbalance to Rumsfeld/Cheney. I do fault people (and the press) for buying the straight talk posture of Bush, a man who was clearly out of his depth. It's not straight talk to repeat the same pablum before screened audience, it's the opposite. Somehow that never came through to people, something I attribute to the general poor health of our democracy at least as much as the power trip of George W. Bush.
I hope there is some small measure of accountability for GOP team in 2006. The harder task is to restore the institutions in this country that make an informed citizenry so so many people aren't fooled into voting for pure marketing again. If people could become less cruel somehow I think we'd be a lot better off. But the people who have a lot are as cruel as they need to be defending their gains so I don't quite know how to defeat them other than just having more people stand up and say enough.
Hopefully the GWB years can act as a warning to future generations that there is nothing special about the United States unless the ideas embodied in the Declaration and Constituion are embraced and defended. If not the US is going to devolve into a more radical version of John Edwards Two Americas, more like Brazil than Britain.
November 3, 2006 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some nice stuff here; classic Newberry--a lot of shots taken, a high number of them palpable hits. It is, of course, not always easy to see where many of us liberals accept the same moral foundation as the right does. Nor is someone pointing these things out likely to be well-received on a red-meat partisan blog like TPMcafe.
Many of your comments remind me of Walter Wink's theological work. Specifically his work _Engaging the Powers_ (oddly written, but full of deep insight). His argument is that the United States is not a Christian nation at all but a fundamentally pagan nation dedicated to a myth of redeptive violence.
Our excuse is frequently: "The violence is ugly--no one is glorifying it or excusing it." But we're not forming a critique of it either; we're cheering on the hero who for all his goodness grits his teeth and dishes it out. We're watching it on the screen, calling it true to life, and nodding our head in assent as it presents a world of 'moral ambiguity' where torture (ugly and inglorious as it is) *has to be done*. Heroism, however flawed in this world, is realizing the brutal necessity and embracing it. Because people are bad, patients (or detainees) are "low-information". Hey the world is dangerous, freedom isn't free, etc. etc.
Joejoejoe--you're convinced that House and Borat are nothing like Bush. Thumb through some of the writings of neocon intellectuals some time. The sense of expertise, of being in tune with what must be done, in being superior to the average American who has hated and will always hate a real bloody war where people on our side die--that's just as much a part of the right wing today as House is structured around a doctor's continual hatred of the fact that actual, suffering, sentient selves keep getting rudely in the way of his task of vanquishing diseases.
November 3, 2006 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't get it: the length to which you take your arguments is what makes them cross the border into sophistry that invites ridicule. You get an idea from one thing, convince yourself of a possible truth and then look for examples everywhere around the universe that might contribute to your proof and include them all in the product offered to the public, in an unsorted, ill-thought-out mess, almost always a product of overreach if not full sophistry. (That's if one can bear to read the entire thing.)
Your posts usually appear as unedited stream of consciousness to anyone with a modicum of formal education, or as another commenter on your work said: "typed," nearly an invitation to readers to edit for you because you're too lazy to do it yourself, or think that your unedited stream of consciousness is so precious, an unstrung pearl necklace that needs to be shared ASAP. (Either that or you are auditioning for a job with the Bush administration writing up cases to go to war.)
This one in particular is an especially egregious piece of sophistry, trying to link Borat to changes in the culture at large. I place it somewhere between the notorious (and now often ridiculed) insufferable and indecipherable garbage put out by the magazine Artforum in the 80's and the drug-induced fevered neurons of a freshman dude ruminating on the meaning of the universe.
If you don't learn to heavily edit yourself and save your thoughts as notes until they are ready for presentation in a much tighter form, with all the questionable stuff removed, you will continue to suffer ridicule. That's in public if you are lucky, but more likely, with much snickering behind your back.
It's quite simple: it's not that your lengthy screeds are "brilliant" and the readers that are lazy and "stupid," it's that a lot of what you "blog" is in a form that would be graded below a C in any graduate school as undisciplined sophomoric babble. (Your use of other sources is notably messy in particular; you have a tendency to read all kinds of things into them that aren't there based upon your own personal crusades and peccadilloes.)
It's really a shame for the other contributors here that you are giving equal billing and not relegated to an area for "beginners," it bodes ill for the future reputation of this website. As your work currently stands, most of the commenters that have the chutzpah to say something about the poverty of it will gain instant credibility in many readers eyes, with you cluelessly making their point in your responses and losing credibility. Wake up and see yourself as others see you or you will get nowhere as a writer except among equally sophomoric ill-educated "fans."
November 4, 2006 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
from jkl:Sterling, you need a day job. I agree completely with dsb. I have tried reading your blogs in the past, but usually give up because your style is so overblown and pompous. I wanted to read what you had to say about the Borat movie but reading your writing giving me a headache. You need an editor also.
November 4, 2006 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, my take is similar to others, but more positive in tone. Yes, this piece could have been cut by 75% and made still made its point.
But I am in basic agreement with that point and must congratulate Newberry for it. Let me try to phrase it more succinctly:
Interesting, isn't it, that so many liberals find hysterical a movie that makes up a lot of shit about a country about which it and they know nothing and think themselves oh so clever for it. There is an uncanny similarity to Bushism and his "vanity war" in Iraq here.
November 4, 2006 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stirling,
In Fellini's movie, The Clowns, one of the clowns that is being interviewed says that the measure of a clown is his ability to show pain. This is not the only kind of humor that there is, however.
A year or two ago, somebody did an international study about humor. They found that Americans tend to like jokes about stupidity. That probably reflects our competitive culture and prejudice against immigrants. They found that the French tend to prefer a more surreal kind of humor.
I once had some cartoon books in different languages. The Spanish jokes were the ones I related to most easily. Some of the French cartoons were about snotty adolescents, and others would probably be classified as surreal. I didn't think the German cartoons were funny at all, but that is just my problem.
As it happens, I can't remember any of the French cartoons. One of the jokes that GK tells in the movie, Prairie Home Companion, might qualify as surreal. One penguin says to another, "You look like you're wearing a tuxedo." The other penguin says, "Who says I'm not." The Angel of Death who is conversing with GK says that she doesn't get it.
That joke is about twisting perceptions of reality.
You have turned me off from the movie, so I will never be able to comment about your insights on that subject. I was fascinated by your comments on the history of Western culture, however. That is a subject that I am trying to learn more about, and what you said is spot on with everything that I know so far.
November 4, 2006 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
unfortunately, i haven't been able to find any record of sbc talking about this film, or reacting to criticism, but i'll take your word for it.
having grown up in the same culture that produced jackass (though we were called grommits, not townies, where i come from), i think your point about their behavior largely holds true. they are not trying to prove anything--except to themselves. it is ultimately a boy's club--an insular group of men, unaffected by any feminine presence--testing and proving their masculinity, and displaying affection to each other the only way (hetero) men know how: rough, physical contact. but it is post-modern--and post-ironic--if you will... i like to call if "bromance". the jackass dudes engage in a lot of quasi-sexual behavior: tying things to each others penises, sticking things in their butts, running around naked together, comparing ejaculate, etc, rarely feeling the need to assert that there is no gayness involved. in other contexts, hipster bands for example, the quasi-sexual behavior is more overt, for example, making out with each other to prove that it doesn't matter, but it is also totally ironic.
this sort of behavior also played a major role in harold and krumar. the main point, though, is that whatever the method of affection, it is always affectionate, not hateful, and no one is discluded. i'll have to wait to see borat until it hits the second run theaters, but it sounds like i might be dissappointed in it.
November 4, 2006 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a nurse, I can say that the "House" personna is one that bamboozles many a patient. I have seen so many patients endure bad decisions, bad medicine, bad care, and bad judgement from shitty doctors who were such bastards that the patient thought they must be geniuses. My father (when I was a high school student) had a doctor like that: he insisted that my mother watch my father's prostatic exam, (much to my parent's extreme embarrassment) for example (this was in the 60's).
Stirling is right: "House is an expert because of back story and what you see on screen, which, in suspension of disbelief, you accept. The same could be said of George Bush. If House existed in the real world, he long ago would have been put out of business."
Take home message: If you think your doctor (or President) is acting like an ass-hole -- trust your instincts. You can have BOTH - an excellent clinician/executive - as well as a real human being - in charge. You don't have to choose one or the other.
Jan Knaus
November 4, 2006 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Christ on a crutch! Stirling is busy commuting hundreds of miles working as a computer consultant in order to put food on the table, and in his spare time writes about politics and composes music better than most. All you people do is bitch and moan about that what he gives away for free is not to your taste. Well if want it to your taste pay the man to write or step up and be an editor. Otherwise go read something else.
November 4, 2006 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with Munnin on this one. I can't say I read every word, but I'm sure as hell not going to tell Mr. Newberry how to write. If you don't think his work is worth the effort of skimming or re-reading, just go somewhere else.
November 4, 2006 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why shouldn't a viewer accept the setup on a fictional TV show? It's not like there's an objective reality there. Unless you're saying that House's methods couldn't possibly work in the real world.
November 5, 2006 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, but how does Galactica fit in with that? We've seen exactly one instance of torture, broadly defined, getting truth out of someone. And that was only because Gina couldn't die unless the humans destroyed the Resurrection Ship first -- so it wasn't that torture made her give up the truth, it was that torture aligned her interests with the humans'.
All other instances of torture on the show have either been useless or counterproductive. Except for torture designed to elicit compliance rather than glean information, but that isn't relevant to your thesis.
November 5, 2006 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen
Borat Interview - Jon Stewart
November 5, 2006 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
YES!!!! this deserves a 10 rating if it were possible.
November 5, 2006 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The fundamental assertion of toture, [sic] is that truth comes through pain. That only people who are put under confusing or duressed [sic] situations are shaken from their scripts and let the truth slip out."
That's not the fundamental assertion of torture. The fundamental assertion of torture is that a person would rather reveal a secret than continue to endure severe pain. It is not a claim that truth only comes through pain or that people are inherently deceptive.
By the way, "duress" is a noun, moron. Buy a dictionary.
November 5, 2006 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
DSB-
I like Newberry's writing. It is wordy, but I like words. It's not always entirely convincing, but it is almost always ambitious and imaginative.
Perhaps you ought to remember that Newberry's essays aren't papers to be handed in to your grad school TA. Honestly, as stellar as the attribution may be in those papers, I imagine that the bulk of them would make for boring reading.
But let me guess, I am being "sophomoric."
November 6, 2006 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
No doubt Stirling would would decide it reminded him of the Coliseum games of the Roman era, treating us to a couple of thousand words recapping other events from Roman history that might in some remote way have parallels to recent events.
Then he'd remind us that Star Trek had an episode on this very subject, and all kinds of liberals loved Star Trek, didn't they, with its apparent anti-racism message. But they were embracing a future with all kinds of violence, one where there were still people marching around in Nazi uniforms. But all of those fancy-schmancy critics couldn't see what Stirling could see: they just don't get it!
The pop culture roll would continue with another 1500 words expounding on the parallels between the alpha-male posturing of Steve-O as it is aped by Tyra Banks on America's Next Top Model. The parallel, to Stirling, would be obvious. But the people who get paid to write about this stuff? They just don't get it!
After another few thousand words firmly establishing how the entire MSM and every professor and pop culture commentator and columnist just don't get it!
The references to roam eventually meander to a discussion of the parallels between gladiators and certain western cowboy archetypes, and of course Sergio Leone made those spaghetti westerns, Sergio being Italian and there you go, back to the Roman Empire connection. But the historians who try to dissect Old West myth just don't get it.
Then we'd get a few insights from a freshman psych course and a side trip in to how Steve-O's embodiment of a Christ-like figure neatly explains the role of Christianity in American life, in a way that all of the priests and cardinals, reverends and theologians, just don't get it!
Eventually, Stirling would meander through a few sweeping generalizations that to his great mind are achingly obvious, but yet those main stream media types just don't get it!. Eventually, when he was close to wearing out yet another keyboard, he'd come to a halt and post the whole thing for us to enjoy.
Lucky us!
Bo Raxo
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"Bother," said Pooh as Satan pointed out the small print.
November 8, 2006 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Coehn is trying to prove something? Silly me, and here I thought he was just trying to make a big fat pile of money. And maybe get laid, too.
But no, you're right, it must be about the ideas, man. Not the wealth, the fame, the adulation, the chicks. SBC is a culture warrior, that's it, with a sinister agenda we're too busy chuckling to notice.
Time to change the tinfoil lining your hat, the rays are starting to penetrate.
November 8, 2006 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great. Many ambitious and imaginative endeavors are demonstrate lake of vision, incompetence and dubious validity as well. Like the Iraq war for instance. Wordy would be analogous to 'stay the course' , then.
Do they need be to be edited and cogent vs. verbose and a rambling stream of consciousness? Can there be merit in the constructive albeit negative feedback vs. a subjectiveness of what you like as opposed to others?
Reading newberry's unedited streams of thought can be boring without stellar 'attributions' so perhpas that is not what the ussye commentators are raising.
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