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The conservatives are trying to spin this year as the year of the conservative Democrat. However, other than Casey in Pennsylvania, this simply isn't the case. The people running for the pick up districts in the Northeast and upper-Midwest aren't conservative Democrats. In fact, the conservative Democrat in a progressive seat has peaked. It is true that conservative Democrats are running in Missouri, Tennessee and Virginia - but there is less here than meets the eye. The southern liberal is a species that has been endangered since the 1960's, and was gone by the 1970's. It has been half a generation since the South sent a progressive to the Senate.

Instead what is going on is the collapse of the political conversation of the last 30 years - where moderates and conservatives argued how far to the right to run, or perhaps to merely hold momentarily what seemed to be an inexorable march to plutocracy and theocracy.

The real news is that the conversation has shifted.

While the conservative Democrats are trumpetting being in "key races", the reality is that races like ID-01 weren't open to progressives to begin with. Every party needs to pad its majority with moderates, the question is where the center of gravity of American politics is. And the center has shifted from Fox News arguing with CNN about how many more billionaires to mint and how many more cities to bomb, to a different conversation, one which the top down media has been spending the last few years trying to throttle, but which is now full throttle to taking the House of Representatives.

This shift from broadcast political conversation has been emerging for some time. Even nichecasting is still one to many communication. Instead, the new political era is focused on "many to many" communication - where individuals communicate with many ther people, and form their world view by combining many different sources - including other ordinary people.

This report from Corrente on an presentation in DC on the possibility of military action against Iran is a microcosm of the larger process. Note how there is confusion, within the reactionary ranks, as well as infighting over how to go forward dealing with Iran. Contrast this with the run up to Iraq, where about 70% of the country was in favor of doing "something" and since Bush and the Republicans in charge "something" was whatever Bush wanted to do - Congress handed him not one, but a string of blank checks. Everything was to be conducted according to his "sole discretion". As long as the reactionaries were the majority of the majority - which mean merely the largest plurality - they were treated as if they were the overwhelming consensus.

The question wasn't whether to go into Iraq, but whether we could strap a rocket to an M-1 tank. The same was true with Bush's tax packages - which slashed federal revenues by 5% of GDP. The question was not whether to cut taxes on the rich, but whether to make the rich tax exempt for ever, or merely indefinitely with perpetual extensions.

The reason for the old state of affairs is that the right wing was seen as the source of ideas and solutions, and as well the home of the determined, decisive people - the cool considerate men - of whose like we would not see again. In command, the future planned - the music of fife and drum caused moderates, lemming like, to fall into line.

Iraq, the housing bust and the poor job market have broken this. Compare Bush's two elections with Eisenhower's two, Nixon's second, Reagan's two and Bush pére - a series of landslide elections which the Republicans won by a combined electoral count of 2860 to 353. The coalition for the Republicans was rooted in the suburban vote - the people who wanted constancy over growth, because that allowed them to borrow long and wait for the rising timed of home prices to carry them forward. This plus social security, pensions and a few investments meant that they had affluence in the present, and a prospect for "golden years" of retirement.

This suburban vote saw coming down on a problem with hobnail boots as the right thing to do - it is how they dealt with, or wished they could deal with, their teenagers. It was how they were dealt with at work. The liberal solution of "give more to people, and you will get more back from them" seemed to break down in dealing with crime, inflation and youth rebellion. More importantly, it threatened to upset the apple cart of housing. Low inflation wasn't just something they wanted in itself - but because low inflation means low interest rates, and that monetizes more of the value of a house for the owner.

Hence, permissiveness, spending, growth - were all out. It was a zero sum game, and everyone thought they were going to be above average.

The triumvirate of failures - war, stagnation and housing bust - hammer each component of the memology of the right wing.

Iraq disproves the theory that ultra violence solves all problems. We have torture, prison camps and war crimes in Iraq. We have the most fearsome invasion military in the history of the world. We have precision munitions, the greatest battlefield superiority tank ever. The Bush executive was given unlimited power, no oversight, exemption from accountability, sole discretion and complete authority.

And all we got was the Disintegration of Yugoslavia, Version 2.0. Bigger, louder and with about two to five times as many civilian dead - and thousands more service men dead than the UN and NATO military actions there.

Stagnation disproves the Republican contention that the money the rich have doesn't matter. This is a key right wing meme and talking point - inflation is about you competing with other people. Since you don't compete with rich people for anything, how rich they are doesn't matter. What brought home the falsity of this assertion was the oil spike - prices went up fast, and stayed up long, only to come down with a thump weeks after they normally would have. Americans saw Exxon and other oil giants report massive profits. Clearly giving corporations more money does not encourage them to sink it into more "supply".

This falls on top of a generation long stagnation in wages. If the median hourly worker in 1975 had gotten raises equal to inflation and productivity - he'd be making $32/hr now. Instead of just over $16. In otherwords, you could make the median hourly worker tax exempt - including sales and gas taxes - and he would still be behind where he would be if he'd gotten the raises from productivity. People are starting to realize that tax cutting your way to prosperity, is like drinking your way to sobriety.

This leads to the last crumbling pillar of Republican memology - ownership over stakeholdership. In the right wing view of the world, ownership is the most important pillar of society. People are owners first. That which you own, is yours. Your Money. Your House. Your Stocks. Your Private Account. Yours.

In the liberal view of the world, one is a stakeholder in society first - because all property, all wealth, all contracts, all promises, exist in the context of a functioning society. It is "Your Money" so long as your society is around to accept it. It is your house and your home - but the equity in it is based more on whether there is a growing economy to support it.

This is why the right wing hated, and many of them still hate, macroëconomics - because macroëconomics shows that the whole system has to work, or everyone suffers.

The owner versus stakeholder debate went to the Republicans when it seemed to Americans that the Democratic Party could not manage society. The Republicans admitted only one form of stakeholdership - military service. Other than that what they knew was Texas, and out there "you on yo own".

This lead to the localization of taxes - instead of money going to the federal government, or even the state government - it went down to property taxes. In Republican memology - you take your money and pay it as taxes to your town to improve your school, which becomes home equity in your house. The total tax burden of the median American family hasn't gone down, it has merely shifted from the Federal Government to the states. The size of state government as a percentage of GDP has doubled, even as the size of the Federal government as a share of GDP has stayed the same.

With the housing bust - while yet incoahate - there is a sense that there is some missing component. More over, the loss of American competitiveness points to the failure of localization of education - with or without rapturization of the Federal education budget. That's "No Child Left Behind" for the pre-millennairian dispensationally challenged. This is compounded by the titanic de-insuring of Americans in health care - from retirees losing health benefits, to people working who get "health plans" through their employers that amount to getting about half of the discount that the corporation gets for providing health care.

These three pillars of the Republican memology have gone from being resolute, entrepreneurial and bourgeois - to being violent, greedy and stupid.

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In the old environment, there weren't many liberals any more, merely bleeding heart Reaganites. Even hard core progressives came up with ways of "Reaganizing" their proposals. Not all of these proposals were bad - some where back door ways of raising wages in a stagnationary environment. EPI even put out a primer on how to recognize a progressive tax cut.

In the new environment, the realization of stakeholdership is permeating the right wing, as it has long been a fundamental assertion of the left. One can see this in the international arena, as trade negotiations over the "Doha Round" have collapsed because developing nations that are left out of the cheap labor and costly oil boom no longer feel a reason to sacrifice to keep the world trade order going. Ben Bernanke - who dreams of a reconstructed conservatism - has admitted that "the benefits of globalization" must be spread more widely. Suddenly the concept of stakeholder is becoming important. Perhaps because Bolivia's President Morales, among others, are willing to take back what was sold off at fire sale prices before.

In the old environment, prison, invasion and coercion were the tools of the trade to break rejection of social norms, international law - or even just corporate expansion plans. Iraq shows that one can't bomb people into Democracy. There is a reverse correlation between US military activity, and progress towards self-government in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush and company were given a blank slate with 40 million souls, and managed only to drop it on the floor.

In the new environment, there is an open admission that problems such as North Korea and Iran are going to be resolved by means other than invasion. Consider that when China made it clear to North Korea that more tests were not going to be tolerated, plans for a second test were scraped, and preparations for that test were halted. In essence China told North Korea that sanctions would not be enforced - unless further trouble was made. South Korea sent the same message to North Korea, essentially "cut it out, or we will open the border and let your people flee." North Korea, faced with the combination of a trade tourniquet and a population bleed out, slowed their progress substantially. Iran, faced with no similar threats, put a new cascade on line. Lesson learned? Perhaps not yet, but another brick in the wall.

The third pillar of right wing memology to collapse is the idea of what Jules Pfeiffer called, presciently, "The New Feudalism", riffing off of Reagan's "New Federalism". The argument is that "the more local, the better". Even as recently as 6 years ago, court decisions forcing states to equally fund schools were seen as intolerable burdens and usurpations of power. However, the localization of education is a trendline that has reached its pinnacle and is retreating backwards - because it was always a way of taking from the public good for private profit. When the United States easily lead the world in quality of workforce and in pay, it seemed a free rider action that could be taken - arbitrage, since however well or badly educated American workers were, corporations would have to train them up, and pushing other people down merely meant less competition for the same number of jobs.

This created a temporary labor shortage in fields such as engineering and computer programming - well off kids who learned to program at home or at school came into the work force with 5 to 10 years of experience in a field that old companies knew almost nothing about. It was one of the few areas of growing wages in a stagnant pool. However, this period of labor shortage is ending rapidly, as I-9's and off shoring strip programming jobs from the United States. Suddenly, having an under-educated labor force doesn't look like it is such a winning move.

These three points - stakeholdership over ownership, cooperation over violence and broadening rather than narrowing - fit together. The narrowing of education reduces the growth of the economy, which is contributing to stagnation of home values and wages, and the every man for himself attitude leads to a downward prisoner's dilemma spiral of opportunities and potential.

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Many people on the left have looked with narrowed eyes at Obama's declarations of faith based politics, and the Emmanuel-Shrum led push to put conservatives in control of Congress after having engineered the longest congressional losing streak since the 1920's.

The above article starts by spewing conspiracy theory nonsense about "those who control the Democratic Party" (It's Anne Kornblut, who couldn't be unbiased for two sentences if she tried). But then it includes this choice nugget from the head of the DCCC, that is, one of the people who controls the Democratic Party:


That was especially true in suburban areas and some rural districts, said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. “As a group, they are moderate in temperament and reformers in spirit,” Mr. Emanuel said.

Or look at how Joe Lieberman, in his fight to stay in the Senate, is now running as being anti-Iraq War.

Even as the conservative Democrats claw and attack the liberal and progressive base:


Representative Ellen O. Tauscher of California, a co-chairwoman of the 47-member New Democrat Coalition, said that 27 of the top 40 contested House seats were being pursued by Democrats who have pledged to become members of the group, which says its chief issues are national security and fiscal responsibility.

“I think there’s tremendous agreement and awareness that getting the majority and running over the left cliff is what our Republican opponents would dearly love,” Ms. Tauscher said, adding that this was something “we’ve got to fight.”

The numbers look different. While "27 of 40" have pledged to join the "New Democratic" coalition, many of these 27 are among the least likely to be elected.

Even in the grotesquely biased Dewan Kornblutt article - quoting not a single liberal, of any stripe - it becomes clear that the conservatives aren't in control as they were in the Clinton Administration and with the hey day of the DLC - but are virtually pleading the party base not to go too far. This isn't the language of people in charge, but of people who realize that their destiny is tied to left, and not to the right. Clinton could pass NAFTA with Republican votes - but he needed progressives to pass the tax package that raised the revenue to put the budget back on the course to balance. Any "fiscally responsible Democrat" is going to have to look at the votes that are on the floor, and realize that there isn't one Republican vote to reinstate the estate tax, raise taxes on the ultra-wealthy, cut corporate tax breaks, or any of the other necessary steps to ending the era of borrow and squander.

In short, for all of the bias, dissembling and carrying on from two of the New York Times' most biased and dishonest reporters - despite the bold language from conservative Democrats - the words here aren't fighting words - but the opening in a negotiation. And that opening isn't "we have a conservative agenda that we are going to move" but "we don't want to go too far to the left too fast, and we want national security and fiscal responsibility". Since the leaders of the progressive movement nationally - people like Howard Dean - are fiscal responsibility and national security hawks - this isn't really much of a demand. Is there any leading Democrat saying "we need less national security and bigger deficits?" Any where?

For an almost catagorical example of how close the convergence is towards progressivism, consider Bruce Reed's recent Slate piece. Reed, DLC maven who was one of the core architects of "Third Way" - before it led into Iraq - says bluntly "conservative ideas haven't worked". And he debunks three theories of why the Republicans are losing - which are not just Republican theories, but the theories held by various conservative Democrats as well.

For example, consider the theory that Bush and company are the wrong people doing the right things - which Reed labels the "Hack of a Job" theory. What other theory can a pro-war Democrat like Lieberman have except that the war was right and Bush was wrong. Or take the example of the "misuse of power" theory - what other theory is a big defense budget Democrat going to have except "they just didn't spend enough in my district". Finally, look at the "big budget" theory - it wasn't just the Republican Congress that was slashing spending to the bone under Clinton, it was Clinton himself. If "compassionate conservatism" was the only way past Gingrich, it was also able to defeat Clinton's heir to the Presidency. In short, Reed repudiates the entire idea that the road to Democratic victory, is to be Republican-lite. It's almost breath taking in the scope of his abnegation of the very idea that Clinton is most associated with: "triangulation".

Many progressives, burned by kick the base tactics and outright betrayals, are going to have to stop and blink to realize that the frame of the debate has changed - this is no longer a debate about how far right we are to go, how fast, but how far left we are to go, and how best to proceed. It is going to take time for conservative Democrats to stop running to Reaganisms, and it is going to take time for progressives to realize that while there are many battles ahead, one of the most fundamental battles has been won.

Part of this is because the top down media still wants, for its own economic reasons, a restoration of the "to the right, ever to the right, never to the left" dialog of the past. And therefore they have been doing their best not to report on what has happened in the country. But the polls tell the story - independents now poll like Democrats, the country is now 60-40 against the reactionary movement.

In order to govern then, the progressives and the conservatives are going to have to start burying some hatchets. The "war over the future of the party" has, in fact, been fought - and the future of the party is in progressivism. At that point progressives need to realize that their own ideology demands bringing people in, rather than pushing them out. It is reactionaries that have rumpified the government, and we have seen how well that worked.

The perils of consensus government and conversation are, in many respects, more terrifying than certainties. The problems are, in many respects, more frustrating, because in negotiations, you often don't get a sense of euphoria, even when you win, where as in a bar room brawl, you can often feel good as you fume.

Government is always from the center - and the governing coalition accepts that it is going to have bold moments where its solutions are adopted, and long balancing compromises which merely nudge the direction of the country. Since the conservatives have admitted that the wind is blowing out into left field, the time is at hand for Democrats to swing away at the ball, and not at each other.

In the arsenal however, is a powerful weapon - namely that the people in the middle of the country want results and not recriminations. If the moderates start left bashing - then the solution isn't to bash back, but to turn to the moderate voters and say "does this look like reason to you?" Lieberman is running as a petitioning candidate because he looked nasty going after his own party base. He's down 5 points in the last week because his ads focus on nastiness and ambiguous statements. Ned, looks like he's back from the dead, precisely because the voters don't want nasty.

And that is a key sign - back when reactionary politics were ascendant, one couldn't be too rich, or too nasty. Atwater's law "make them remember three things, all negative and all about your opponent" is breaking down. Republican attempts to Horton a black candidate in Tennessee and Massachusetts have backfired. Republican smear ads and hysteria have gotten no traction. Even "gay marriage" hasn't moved the needle in New Jersey.

Whether the conservative Democrats can learn to negotiate left, rather than run right, is an open question. They have their entire political lives to overcome. However, if they don't they will rapidly find themselves replaced by moderates who understand moderation. Because there isn't a bull market in Bush, and Bush-lite is last election's hip beverage for the kool-aid drinking crowd.

One of the first steps that the moderates could take is to change their negotiating tactics. It's just not smart to tick off the people you are talking to without good reason. The "kick the base" tactics don't work, and while Lieberman is going to be allowed to buy an election with "walking around money" - don't expect this to be a growth strategy going forward.

Just an idea.


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It's perhaps an accurate assessment of popular feelings, or at least it doesn't sound too unreasonable.   It's most likely an accurate assessment of how politicians are campaigning right now.  It's certainly an accurate assessment of failures of the old memes in reality.  I just worry that the post sometimes slides among them, in ways that create optimism. 

That aside, I do hope that Democratic leaders articulate what's being said here. That's a little less certain to me.  And the fact, noted in the post, that the media will not remains a real concern. How do we ensure that these really are and remain popular, influential sentiment if everyone's told the opposite? 

John 

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I agree completely! Just because a candidate is prolife and progun and profamily and for globalization and such doesn't mean they can't be Democrats! And you can't count southerners anyway! That's an excellent point Southerner's don't count because it's all down to who's electable!

Why can't people see that just because a candidate wants strict antiabortion laws, it doesn't mean that they won't help our team win win win? Besides, they might support other issues! Like college tuition! We might get them to vote for a 5% or 10% reduction! Won't that be nice?

It's all in how you frame it, anyway. Just because many of our canidates support the War Against Terror and want to keep out troops in Iraq for just a few more years until the job is done doesn't mean that we shouldn't vote for them! Just believe that they're good candidates and they will be? Jeez, it's not that hard people!

I'm pro-globalization, and pro-gun rights.

And I'm almost certainly to the left of you on a host of issues.

It's about creating a conversation that can govern. Electability is part of this, but as important is being able to do business with people, and pass legislation that is destined to be signed. Right now, since Bush isn't going to sign anything that isn't absolutely necessary, getting down the "doing business" part is more important.

If the conservative Democrats push their differences first, they will find that come next election cycle, they will lose to a real thing Republican who doesn't have to fess up to supporting Iraq, and never met Abramoff. Where as, if they join a progressive majority on issues that matter to the mainstream of America, they will easily be able to hold their seats.

After all, the house doesn't really have much to say about abortion. And if Heath and others start blocking contraception funding out of spite, they will find that their ability to bring home the bacon will be curtailed as well.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

The media has been telling people the economy is great, Bush is a god, and that Iraq is a paradise.

And yet, the public does not seem to be praying five times a day in the direction of Rove's office.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Exactly right! Our progressive majority will stop anything really bad from happening but we're pretty much powerless anyway so why try? We have to concentrate on the possible, not pie-in-the-sky things like peace or healthcare, but things that real people care about and things Bush will sign, like college tuition and banning violent video games and such!

I, too, am pro-globalization as any sane Democrat would be. It's a good thing our leaders passed NAFTA and CAFTA and all those wonderful trade agreements to help our middle class gain economic stability. Once they finish the FTA program we'll be living in an economic paradise! Why can't more people see that?

Anyway, you're abso-tootly-ootly right when you say that conservative Democrats can't push their differences! We have to be more like republicans to beat them! We have to be more republican than republican! After all, it worked for President Clinton! It'll work again!

Don't you have anything better to do with your time, troll?

How much is Karl Rove paying you, troll?

These three points - stakeholdership over ownership, cooperation over violence and broadening rather than narrowing - fit together.
That's a good summary, and it seems increasingly clear that the tired, empty conservative mantras about tax cuts and "strong" defense are well past their expiration date. It seems clear that the public is ready to move in at least a slightly leftward direction.

What concerns me is the lingering effectiveness of cheap right-wing smears against liberals. Fiscal responsibility is going to require raising taxes. Disengaging from Iraq is going to involve leaving without a situation that looks like "victory." It's one thing to win an election or two when the other side runs out of ideas, but actually building the trust of the public to support higher taxes and a more diplomatic approach to security issues is going to be a long, tough slog.

It's not just a matter of coming up with catchy marketing slogans... it's going to require a tangible shift in the collective mindset of Americans. They're going to have to start looking at all the macho posturing, faux-rugged individualist, Marlboro Man conservative bullshit and correctly identifying it as a juvenile attitude held by scam artists who should not be trusted with power. They're going to have to start seeing that discretion is stronger than violence and a stakeholder has more freedom than an owner who can't pay the bills. I think that sort of sea change is going to require some terrific leadership. Leaders who, like FDR or Reagan, are capable of inspiring a generation and turning the very name of their opponents' philosophy into a scarlet letter that politicians run away from in terror.

That kind of leadership is something the progressive wing of the Democratic Party has sorely lacked for decades. I'm not sure I know how to resolve this issue, but I do think it's time we started promoting those leaders who can eloquently stand up for liberal ideals, like Edwards and Obama, and rejecting those who show more interest in running to the right, such as Hillary Clinton.

A rising tide doesn't lift all boats...it just gives some people a chance to make a windfall of all the newly formed shoreline property.

Over the last 2 years the democrat's political tide has been rising.  Will they be able to take advantage of the new electoral shoreline?  Will they be progressive enough to say that they are for universal health care (maybe even nationalized), fiscal responsibility, economic growth not only for corporations but for American workers without being protectionist and are strong supporters of the 2nd amendment?  Those are the kind of questions that not only need to be answered but need to be answered correctly.  The left has been presented with a golden opportunity.  Not only has the conservative movement's tide rolled out but the basis of that movement has been exposed as fatally flawed and could completely collapse.  The conservatives will try to clean their house in the next 2 years and adjust their message to reconnect with the electorate with a tried and true form of Reaganite populism.  But if the left remains beholden to their interest groups and do not do the people's business, their tide might roll out just as quick as it came in.

I would argue that it is a good thing that the tax burden has shifted from Federal to state coffers. In a perfect world, the income tax withholdings on earnings statements would be reversed so that every $3 withheld would go to the state, and the other $1 would go to the Federal government.

It has become increasingly clear that large, bureaucratic "one size fits all" Federal programs simply cannot work in the United States. Funding for education, healthcare, prescription drugs, and infrastructure development can be better appropriated at the state level.

Of course, setting a national standard would be required so that smaller states, or states with less population and therefore less money, are given a fair shake. The Southern United States immediately comes to mind. SOME Federal assistance is perfectly acceptable, but it does not take a series of flow charts and pie graphs to prove that problems are best dealt with at the most local level possible.

There is no better realm than education to prove this. How can anyone ever expect that one Federal program can serve the needs to every child? A sixth-grader in Inglewood, California has a very different set of needs than a sixth-grader in Montpelier, Vermont.

With limited Federal assistance, Vermont's legislature should be allowed to tax its citizens and apporporiate the funds accordingly based on the specific and unique needs of Vermont children. Similarly, California should be allowed to do the same.

Federal programs, like No Child Left Behind, are essentially trying to fit square pegs in round holes.

I'm going to point out the canard about "interest groups" owning the Democratic Party. In fact, the "interest groups" are ardently bipartisan, or at least fig leaf bipartisan. NARAL backs Joe and Lincoln, the Sierra club backs a fistfull of endangered Goopers. The "interest groups" are invested in the divided government system.

The problem isn't "interest groups" - but instead prioritizing how to do the most good in such a way as to make it clear to the American public that the Democratic Party is driving change for the better.

That's a tall order, and it will show whether the donks are ready to govern. This is also why attempts by the right wing of the party should be seen for what they are - opening moves in a negotiation, and not a chance to run to the right. After all, if the conservative Democrats could do business with the Republicans, they would be doing so already. What have they gotten for all the votes for questionable policies? Nothing.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

I do agree Stirling...Pandering to interest groups is a strictly bi-partisan activity.  I am in no way, shape or form saying that the dems do it and the GOP doesn't.  And I feel the GOP does it much more than the dems.  I wasn't clear on that and accept the criticism... 

But the reality of it is that the dems are willing and do take PAC monies from the defense industry, credit card companies, oil/gas companies, Pharma and health insurance companies, Rupert Murdoch, etc.  My question is will the taking of the money get in the way of the dems making changes for the better?  Is it going to be "business as usual" in D.C. when (most probably) the dems take control?

I think that Bush rebirthed hostility and lack of trust in government. Nowadays, I read the paper with the goal of looking for distortions.

Unfortionately, with VNR's (video news releases) and paid schrills talking on behalf of politicians, a human detachment is created and people become more and more skeptical.

My thinking is that politicians will seek to regain honor by throwing out a few crumbs in the next congress, that's my hope anyway.

I also hate the canard because it portrays "interest groups" as if they were self-interested in the same way as corporate lobbyists or, if one is more generous, the religious right. They're issue advocacy groups. I may find solace in the ACLU or environmentalists without seeing them as staking out their own interest, without making my future rest solely on that issue, and without making a statement about who has the values to be real Americans.

Every so often, the implications of the charge rise to the surface, as when Ashcroft charged the ACLU with relishing and using Bush's misdeeds for the purposes of increasing membership and raising funds. When this happens, however, it sounds silly and is easily combatted. What's worse is when it remains implicit as part of the labeling and framing of the matter.

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

So many mistakes, so little time to cram a course in basic policy into one comment box.

First, under the New Deal system, most government programs are matching, or direct payments to individuals. Why have a state government as an intermediary for Social Security? What would it gain?

Second, only a fraction of the federal budget is domestic discretionary spending that even could go to the states.

Third, states pay higher borrowing costs than does the federal government, or they use munis which costs tax revenue. Either way, it is better for the large stable governmental unit that can print money to borrow.

Fourth, states are, in general, more, not less, corrupt than the federal government, they are more, not less, likely to be one party states dominated by a particular ideology - whether Democratic Rhode Island or Republican Idaho. Thus they are less, not more generally accountable. Consider that after only 4 years of undivided government, the American people are looking for a change. The time before that it was 2 years, the time before that it was 8 years. Many states have almost standing constitutional supermajorities of the in power party.

Fifth, states don't have economies of scale, and they can't enforce location. This means that states will often have to "race to the bottom on taxes" dollars sent no strings attached get given away. That's inflationary.

All in all a stirring defense of the Confederacy and Reaganism. And so loaded with poor assertions and outright ignorance as to be laughable.

This isn't to say that states aren't important, and can't function as laboratories of Democracy. They also are better at executing the localizations of policy. But the Federal Government needs to watch them like a hawk, for the same reason that the Senate represents the states, so that there is a state based way of watching the federal government like a hawk.


Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

First:

wait for the rising timed of home prices
... wait for the rising tide of home prices ...

More to the point, the thing about a housing bust like this one is that it can have much more momentum than a business investment or consumer durable goods downturn. That means that Al Gore's idea about a Connie Mae can be a big winner if it comes to be seen as a way to help finance reductions in ownership costs of housing ... and that opportunity will quite likely still be open in 2008.

I don't see the signs of progressiveness among the politically uninvolved middle. Life may have gotten tougher over the past several decades but it hasn't translated into a real movement. The only person I see espousing a progressive stance is John Edwards with his "two Americas" theme.

I just don't think people have gotten squeezed enough yet to demand substantive change. Remember the original Progressive movement lasted about 30 years and never really accomplished much in terms of electoral success. It took the Muckrakers and Teddy Roosevelt to translate their issues into policy.

All their themes are back, corporate corruption, weakening of government oversight of health, safety and employment conditions, job dislocations and unbridled foreign adventurism, but the middle still doesn't "get it".

Perhaps my pessimism will turn out to be unjustified. We'll just have to see how this election cycle plays out. Getting a bunch of DINO's elected like Webb, Ford and Duckworth doesn't seem to be a sign that progressivism will be a strong force in a Dem led congress.

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So many mistakes, so little time to cram a course in basic policy into one comment box.

BOOO! Could you be any *less* polite to those who read and reply in the comment forums? Not only are you haughty and self-centered, but never once have I seen you respond directly to posters' counterarguments, instead choosing lame ad hominem attacks in reply.

And, BTW: did you read that NY Times article you cited as a reference in your intro? You appear to have ignored the content of the article, asserting that "... other than Casey in Pennsylvania, [a rise of conservative democratic candidates] simply isn't the case." Except that that article lists numerous candidates it refers to as moderate or conservative. Why cite a source if you don't quote or at least paraphrase it properly?

This reader clicked on that link and found a NY Times story which differed remarkably from what you claimed it said.

And, BTW: did you read that NY Times article you cited as a reference in your intro?

I'm sure Stirling can defend himself just fine, but I'll call bullshit on that NYT article, too.

Is it news that Dems in right-leaning states are more moderate? Look at the "key races" they picked out: Kt, NC, In. Wow -- I can't imagine why running to the left doesn't play well in those races.

Further, the Times article is missing the elephant -- it's about abortion and gun control -- who cares? No one is worried about those issues right now. It's Iraq.

So while the Times is trying very hard to make the Dem party look splintered -- cause that's the easy lazy story to write, it's been written 100 times over -- they're missing the big picture. How many of these "conservative Dems" want us to stay in Iraq? Stand up Iraqis so we can stand down? How many, like John Boehner said this weekend, think Rumsfeld is the "best thing" that's happened to the military in the past 25 years?

Further, even in the issue of abortion -- our Senate leader is pro-life. Democrats have no problem with pro-life, as long as it's recognized that abortion must stay legal. Arguments around the edges, for sure, but Harry Reid understands that abortion cannot be criminalized in this country.

So Boo! on the Times, for writing such a silly piece. 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

like everyone believes there will be an election. You would have to be less than two years old to think we will have one next week. IT JUST DOES NOT MATTER. A country without habeas corpus will have free elections? HA HA HA

Democrats that vote are idiots, republicans that vote are fascist idiots. And the real kicker is, I have not found a republican yet that can define facsism.

We are going down. I doubt with the Neocon's invincible hold on the controls it will be peaceful.

Stirling has alot to say, and says it well, but unfortunately, it just does not matter.

Best future advice: learn to salute!

Until the mid 60s the slogan of many
on the US left was : "the states(as in Alabama etc.) should wither away". Which seemed to disappear about the time of the new left's emphasis on community based strategies . It's time for a come back.

Since the leaders of the progressive movement nationally - people like Howard Dean - are fiscal responsibility and national security hawks

I can't possibly be the only one here who remembers the days when the rightwing Republicans led by Bob Taft were perennial losers crying out against deficit spending.

Today liberals have mostly disappeared to be replaced by ineffectual "progressives" in a wimpish imitation mold of Taft. These latter day liberals, fearful of the label, whimper occasionally about "conservatives" gone hog wild with deficit spending and government growth that was unimaginable to the supposedly liberal wastrels of yore.

There are some stirrings of the old-time religion in odd places. Besides the obvious John Edwards, most notable are very surprising passages found in the speeches of Jim Webb.

And then, in an entirely different arena, there is the wonderful attack on the Patriot Act by Jon Tester.

Maybe there is hope for the country after all after all the decades in the wilderness.

But will there be anything much left of a once great nation that was transformed during one administration from the world's largest creditor to the world's biggest deadbeat?

Wherever salvation might come from it will not likely be from either coast.

Best, Terry

Casey isn't "conservative" except on abortion and guns. That's it. A lot of us in Pennsylvania get so tired of everyone reducing him to those two issues. Casey is a good solid mainstream Democrat. If you want to see a chart outlining some key differences between him and Santorum, check out this section of the Philadelphians Against Santorum website.

One example: Casey supports civil unions. That may make him moderate but it's sure as hell not a "conservative" stance, outside of Massachusetts at least. :-)

Seven days until I get to vote for Casey...

Edwards is an intriguing political figure. Too lightweight in experience to take seriously for national office, yet he clearly is doing a masterful job framing the economic issues for the non-rich.

Obama. This guy has to be the most over-rated fizzle in American politics. What a waste of space.

Nice speaker though.

The question is, is what is he willing to sell out for being a social conservative. The evidence indicates "everything else". If so, this bodes ill.


Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

The GOP has had an advantage mainly because it could put out a simplistic message dealing with a complex issue and win the "debate". Mission accomplished is a strong statement. Questioning the statement by asking what criteria were used to define "accomplished" sounds weak. How can you question success (even if it's not there)? You are demoralizing the troops.
Stay the course is another strong statement, until the sound of those questioning the statement becomes deafening after continued slaughter of Iraqis by Iraqis and high US troop losses. Then the statement ceases to exist.
We now have WH operatives like Lynn Cheney and their fellow travellers like Bill O'Rielley on Fox News parroting "Do you want the US to win?" as an attempt to stifle crticism of the war. Amazingly while using the daily GOP talking points the republican parrots accuse their critics of using Democratic talking points.
Hopefully the public is realizing complex problems require active debate not sloganeering.
One thing that the recent GOP debacle has demonstrated is that when you only listen to those who agree with you, and ignore outside opinions, you are headed for disaster.
A recent book entitled Infotropics reviews studies where group decisions made by havving discussions with people with a variety of backgrounds actually results in the more intelligent decisions being made. If the Democrats can exist with (hopefully) Senators Casey (D-PA) and Ford(D-TN) as well as John Edwards and Rep Rangel (D-NY) then intelligent solutions can be found within the ranks of the Democratic party.
Interestingly, One of the authors of "The Way to Win (a love message to Rovian manipulation) feels that of the two political parties, the Democratic Party is the one at the highest risk of fraying apart because the "centrists" and "progressives" will pull the party apart. Let's prove this self serving MSM idiot wrong. There is too much at stake. both centrists(actually JFK Democrats) and progressives (John Edwards)will have to learn how to compromise.
I don't add Lieberman into the equation (he's a GW Republican)

Democrats that vote are idiots, republicans that vote are fascist idiots. And the real kicker is, I have not found a republican yet that can define facsism.We are going down. I doubt with the Neocon's invincible hold on the controls it will be peaceful

I have the same cynicism. I beleive the system is so rigged and the stranglehold on the republic by NeoCon's and the corrupt GOP voting machines along with the specious 'close races' are nothing but harbingers of continued GOP control and a slide into totalitarian state.

In order for democracy to prevail we need an informed public and that is simply no longer the case, the media is consolidated and the journalistic press is as well. There is no more free press and thus no democracy.

Exactly! And Casey supports our Murtha Airwar Plan! What reasonable person wouldn't vote for more bombing? I can't wait to vote for Casey. Or whoever.

Terry,
It is kinda funny isn't it. Hard money and fiscal balance as the path to liberal success. But there it is. The argument goes something like this. If you are going to use government for the public good as opposed to a corrupt republican goodie basket, well then you have some interest in governemnt being well run and to run governement well you need to match the revenues with the expenditure. It is not an easy policy in that there will always be mindless pressure from conservatives to balance everything on cuts cuts cuts but the able liberal leader uses the deficit crisis to reform the tax system and make the top brackets pay again. You ad fig leaf cuts to disarm the right. Basically you force the right to embrace fiscal irresponsibility as a principle. When that happens you win. Yeah you spend money but you are responsible about it unlike the republican idiot who wants to give away the store and make us all poor.

The Canadian Liberal party was able to cement a progressive majority for 12 years based on wait for it fiscal responsibility to save the country. I could easily see the Democrats pulling off a similar feat. Hell, socialist parties in Europe have worked off of sound fiscal management to build even longer holds on power. It is a winning argument. Hard money does not always mean social spending cuts. Hell there is no more fat in America to cut, only corruption fat not welfare fat. This is why hard money is a pro liberal position, by necessity it means better, juster tax collection and careful expenditures.

Too lightweight in experience to take seriously for national office

Hmm.. Currently we have someone who clearly had no experience and was a failure at every endeavor he had undertaken. I don't think experience was really a criteria.

I think someone that is eloquent and affable can easily win. I consider Edwards to be a legitimate potential contender.

Actually it isn't funny at all.

The first act of FDR's "Hundred Days" was to save the banks. The second was to cut government expenditures by 20%. FDR, Truman, Stevenson, Kennedy, Carter and Clinton all worked towards balancing the budget.

Liberalism doesn't mean perpetual deficit spending - it's been Republicans since Nixon who have used pure deficit spending for the purpose of social engineering.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Didn't the Cato Institute recenetly release a study that showed legislative spending increased when tax cuts were in play, and spending decreased when tax increases were in place?

Presumably tax cuts happen when legislatiors think it's safe to do so, and the same thinking leads to unfettered spending. Flies in the face of "tax and spend" complaints. History seems to show the opposite "cut taxes and spend" from so-called conservatives.

I'm not an economist and may be way off the mark with this, but I see the absence of affordable health care as a major factor that discourages home ownership and saving. For the uninsured, the smallest accident can lead to catastrophic debt that wipes out all assets. Homeowners can't be turned out of their homes, but whoever holds their debt can claim the home when it's sold or inherited - hence the home can't be passed on to offspring. Bankruptcy is the only option, but it wipes out all other assets. Many people make a reasoned decision not to save or buy a home until they have health insurance, which for many is a goal that's never reached.

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