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Is this Thomas Dewey time for Democrats. I'm worried that it might be.

There just is too much crowing about polls, about Bush's collapse, about perhaps a blowout of historic proportions.

Maybe. But only maybe.

And frankly I don't see what we gain by all this premature celebrating. I don't say that it takes anything away from the strong energetic campaigns Dems are waging around the country. Democrats should win on the merits and on the strengths of our candidates, campaigns and the energy of our ground operations.

But the absolute certitude of victory that is being trumpeted to the media can only hurt. Why? Because independents and people who are angry at Bush but not at all Republicans -- and who don't particularly dislike their own GOP Rep or Senator -- can decide that the Dems have it in the bag anyway. They can decide that they don't need to contribute to a Democratic landslide.

Frankly, I've voted that way myself. In my Democratic home state of Maryland, I have on occasion voted GOP for governor when (as with Donald Shaefer) I didn't like our nominee and didn't want to contribute to a landslide.

My GOP votes didn't matter. Just as I expected, Shaefer won without me.

But this time, the voter who feels that the Dems are winning big can actually hand the election to the GOP.

I've read all the poll data and to me both Houses look like they can go either way. I hope the Dems sweep but, as a Red Sox fan, I know the difference between hope and reality.

One more thing. The media loves hyping for us now. All it cares about is today's story and the Democratic surge is a winner for them. But the media hype hurts us. Today's story is irrelevant. The story that matters will be written in 13 days.

Can't we just shut up until then. This election is not in the bag. Let's praise our guys and hit theirs. Let's expose their lies.

But save the crowing for Nov. 8. Maybe, just maybe, if everything breaks our way, we'll win and win big.

But remember 2004. Remember those exit polls. Remember our victory parties.

Remember how much that night sucked -- and let's all shut the **** up.


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I'm seeing just the opposite, certainly from the media. The word now is the GOPs "upsurge" in the polling. Candy Crowley set American straight last night, pulling out all the infamous Dem strawmen.  

The (lazy) news media won't let an election go by without it being a horse race.  

Dissent Protects Democracy.

We're a long way from the insular certainty of newspapers that called for Dewey. Now, when the vote clashes with polling it should call the tally into question.

I would not worry about confidence reducing vote totals; it seems to work the other way, with voters piling on top with the winner. An expected landslide is more likely to keep the (expected) losing side at home. The vote tally is often more a reflection of current politics than the determining factor.

The Dewey myth is good cover for manipulated vote counts.

Also, don't forget any potential shockwaves.

I hope that a few things happen in the next two weeks:

1) I'd like to see some national democrat ad buys. They could be simple spots that show a count of republican reps/assistants/etc. that have resigned, are in prison, are indicted, or under investigation.

2) I'd love the dems to come up with at least a few unifying themes. Would there be an impeachment or not? Exactly how are we going to get out of Iraq? Is the Foleygate investigation sufficient or not? Right now, it seems like everybody has vague/different ideas - hard to push a midterm election as a national referendum when the dems seem (as usual) not to have a real consistent platform.

3) The repubs are very successful in thwarting votes. Dems need to push a get out the vote message, and hard. Part of what made the Michael Fox ad so powerful was the idea that this is a national referendum - the dems should push that.

4) Dem candidates and their handlers can't roll over as easily as Webb's people apparently have. If there's any malarkey a la James H "Jim", we need to be in court ASAP. The DNC needs to have badass lawyers representin' NOW, not after the fact.

Yep.

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Romani Ite Domum

I agree with the comment above that I'm hearing the opposite, not just from the media but from Democrats as well. The amount of kvetching going on about this election from Dems along with the numerous vote fraud conspiracies being floated every day are just getting to be too much.

Here's what will happen: If the Democrats take control of one or both houses of Congress then they should get to work trying to undo the mess this President has made of things. If Democrats don't take control then everyone just stop the hand-wringing, dry your eyes and get to work on local elections and 2008. The end.

It's the last two weeks. You fire up the volunteers, you fire up the base by telling them "We are going to win this one!!" and not by going around telling people "Wouldn't be prudent".

Frankly this advice echoes that of those who told us you can't directly oppose a "Popular war-time President" and that "Nobody votes for an angry man",

If you were not angry in 2004 you just were not paying attention. Well we are still mad as hell and for a change we are giving it to the GOP with both barrels and part of that means acting with confidence.

From a cold blooded political analysis point of view I would be interested in seeing any data about a campaign whose over-enthusiasm led to a suppression of turnout or induced voters to decide that they didn't need to send a message because everyone else was already doing it. But otherwise I don't see that defeatism is really the path to victory here.

Incumbants may get complacent, I don't see that challengers do. Sheesh, Rove predicts victory and all the weak sisters immediately conclude he must have something in the bag. Democrats predict victory based on some pretty overwhelming poll numbers and people tell us not to rock the boat.

Faint heart never gained fair maiden.

2) I'd love the dems to come up with at least a few unifying themes. Would there be an impeachment or not? Exactly how are we going to get out of Iraq? Is the Foleygate investigation sufficient or not?

First, Josh has already dispelled the myth of needing some "platform" in a midterm such as this. The GOPs in 94 only had "Dems Bad" as their mantra, and they won.

But, re: the above, we already have the answers to these questions. No, impeachment is not on the table, we will get out of Iraq with a timetable for withdrawal (which Dems have been saying for a year now), and I'm not sure what is gained at this point in time by saying anything about the Foley scandal -- it's taken its toll already, the political capital has been drained.

Dissent Protects Democracy.

Pelosi's comments about no impeachment almost made me throw up. At the same time, there are radio spots on Air America saying that this election is a national mandate, and that there needs to be an impeachment and prosecutions. That's inconsistent. And Pelosi's comments will probably keep a lot of hardcore lefties at home.

I didn't hear the whole context, but I did hear Casey talking about increasing the number of special forces in Iraq (and Santorum promptly ridiculed the impracticality of the idea). He talked about benchmarks rather than a timetable. Again, inconsistent.

Foleygate: You're probably right. That's my own axe to grind - I'm just deeply, deeply troubled by a political party that values politics above prosecuting pederasty.

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Romani Ite Domum

If the Democrats don't win the house, it's because they didn't campaign on social security.

Iraq can take only so far as Bush continues to confuse the situation.

Far more people are demoralized by the prospect of failure than success. If we let people believe that their vote will be wasted - AGAIN - by electoral map engineering and miscounted votes, then they are far more likely to stay home than if they believe that there's actually a real chance to change things.

On election night 2000, the Republicans discovered that perception can create reality. The vote had been called for Gore when - with Florida polls still open - FOX News raised the viral meme that Bush might have really won. From that moment on, things gradually started to go the other way. Now this year they're claiming that although Dems might take the house, there's just no way that they could take the Senate. Don't fall for it - the Senate is on the razor's edge of going either way. Republicans are just trying to demoralize the electorate in advance so they can turn their preferred perception into reality once again. It does not behoove us to unwittingly help them.

Bruce Webb and El Bruce are absolutely right: if you want to win, you talk about winning. Sure, the Democrats could disappoint, but I doubt it'll be because suddenly fund raisers all went home. I can think of lots of other reasons. 

I wouldn't agonize over impeachment, as we won't pull it off anyhow. It's fun to fantasize about but a waste of time to argue over. A Democratic majority could have plenty on the agenda between policy changes and long overdue Congressional investigations. If, after those and despite a strong GOP minority's ability to block their efficacy and obfuscate their results, Americans are up in arms, sure, go for it. But meanwhile we've got work to do after six years of messing up American lives. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. It's never too early to be hopeful and giddy at the prospect of a Democratic Sweep but, is really time to discuss committee assignments (from a CO Political Blog):

CO-4 candidate Angie Paccione was the subject of some glowing words tonight from Democratic House Whip, Congressman Steny Hoyer.

In a meet up attended by CO-6 candidate Bill Winter, Colorado Democratic Party Chair Pat Waak and others, Rep. Hoyer spoke about the importance of not only removing the blight of Musgrave from office but of replacing her with a public servant like Paccione.

One of the questions asked of the pair was which committee assignments the future Rep. Paccione might seek. Angie was certainly interested in Education as it has been a central focus of her career, but she said she was also interested in Agriculture because of the importance of that committee to her district and because of the neglect the farming and ranching communities have had to suffer under Musgrave.

And the futor over Pelosi's "pledge" to not seek impeachment when she becomes Speaker is similarily misplaced.

But, where I work, if I want to hear a viewpoint that runs counter to the Bush Party Line, I've got to be the voice of that viewpoint.

And, yeah, it's hard not to gloat!

Interesting that you don't have one link to such Democratic crowing.

What I'm seeing from most Democrats and the blogs that support them in this election are warnings just like yours.

Check out Daily Kos or MyDD; you won't find anything but realistic analysis of current polls.

I'm an admirer, Mr. Rosenberg, but I've bothered to leave this comment because warnings like yours feed into the media trope that Democrats are losers who may well find another way to lose.

The SCLM is sufficiently negative in their coverage of Democrats; let's not do their work for them.

I agree with Rosenberg: Don't celebrate yet. Being a faithful Democrat in recent years is a lot like living in Raleigh, NC in the the winter-time (I do, so I know what I'm talking about in this example).

If there is even a remote possibility of snow, the local meteorologists tell us it is going to snow. People get excited; stores sell out of bread and milk; kids stay up late & don't do their homework, because they think school will be canceled the next day; pagans make libations to Uller. Then the citizenry all go to sleep and dream of winter wonderlands, snow angels, and excuses to get out of shoveling the driveway. But the next morning when we wake up & look outside, there's no snow. Sometimes, there isn't even any precipitation at all.

In terms of this election, I'm hoping for a BLUE blizzard, but I'm definitely not going to bed without doing my homework...

Air America is not the Democratic Party and the hardcore lefties are not the Democratic Party either. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

OK, but you are going to win without my vote, at least for Senate. You've been saying timetable for a year? And so what? And so when? And so why should I believe you? So now Bush is for a timetable. So what's the difference?

The Independent gets my vote. He's for getting out of Iraq NOW not for in which ever decade it is politically convenient for two parties who both seem to think war is about parsing sentences around words like "timetable".

Yes, I know, the Independent won't win, but the Democrats won't get out of Iraq, so again, what is the difference?

Fine, but this old leftie wanted to throw up last night watching some wonky third way centrist trash George McGovern in the interests of looking "progressive" on CNN. The chickenhawk "centrists" aren't worthy of kissing his WWII hero boots.

You must have so many votes you can afford to throw them away.

So, the question is, politically, was running on impeachment the smart thing to do?

You know that every political ad for the last two months would have been about and only about impeachment. What Pelosi did was neutralize that entire line of attack from the GOPs.

(I'm not judging whether that was right or wrong, just calling it...)

Now, I don't think whatever Pelosi says precludes her, or, really, someone else, from moving for impeachment. If hearings are held, and it's pretty clear (I know, it really already is...), is that a "flip flop" for her to allow it to proceed? I don't know.

I really don't think Pelosi's statement is keeping even hardcore lefties home. No matter what, the most important thing right now is getting the GOPs out of Congress. Anyone with any sense of politics knows that. 

I think the idea of a lefty so pissed off at impeachment staying home is going to be such a rarity, it's a bit of a strawman. I could be wrong...

Casey is an outlier. We'll never get all the Dems, but 80% (I don't know what the exact number is), maybe even more, are for a timetable. I have to go back and look at the vote on the Levin amendment, but it was pretty much everyone. Casey, no doubt, will be like a Ben Nelson or Mary Landrieu -- they all can't be liberals. 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

PS, to Pelosi's credit, I think she's actually done a pretty good job of reining in and unifying the Dems. The 60 Minutes profile of her the other night actually said she's already been threatening other Dems by refusing positions in the next Congress if they don't fall in line. I don't have time to link now, but the NYT the other day had a piece about a bit of a falling out between Pelosi and Harman, with Harman not getting the Intel Chair (if Dems win) because Pelosi doesn't think she's hit hard enough on the White House re: intel.

I have a feeling Pelosi might just surprise all of us...

Need to get past 11/7 though. 

Dissent Protects Democracy.

As Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over 'til it's over."

Tom

This is absolutely right. From a campaign perspective, you want to use good news to energize your staffers and supporters -- but you do this by making it clear that the winds of the election are such that their actions can tip the scales towards victory.

We need all the money, time and effort that our side is capable of between now and election day to capitalize on every opportunity that's available to us.

We should be heartened by what we see -- but we should also be inspired to redouble our efforts to be sure that we take what's within our reach.

As a faithful democrat who lives and breathes for the party and faithfully follows our glorious leaders with faith, I agree with our wonderful and glorious pundits and media talking heads. We have to reframe the debate to energize the base by reprioritizing our action items list with goodfaith win-win initiatives.

A return to the Clintonian ideal of the 90s is an absolute necessity. We must emphasize what we stand for: Clean Coal, DOMA, NAFTA, the Murtha Airwar Plan, Don't Ask - Don't Tell, Media Consolidation, Mountaintop Strip Mining and above all giving the appearance of caring while guiding the ignorant masses on the right path for our corporate donors.

Maximum Leader Rahm's strategery is working. Running prowar prolife candidates will assure us control of the house. Any criticism of our leadership is treasonous. Shut up and keep repeating our sound bites! Let our media attack poodles do their work and we'll win win win! CELEBRATE OUR GLORIOUS VICTORY NOW!!!

I'm tired of noble gestures like the Nader
votes in 2000 that gave us W , this war , Gitmo and the attack on habeus corpus.

If what Rahm is doing gives us 219 seats , I agree with him . And with Pelosi that threatening impeachment is not just bad politics (one asset the democrats have at the minute is popular revulsion with the Ken Starr caper ) it's bad policy : impeachments should be rare .

Darn tootin'!

... as Gabby Hayes said?

Tom

thanks, I wondered who was responsible for that one ;-)

Indeed! It will be interesting to see, if and when the Dem Party gets back its majority and its self-confidence (and its leadership), what it will do with the disgust many of us feel about the "chickenhawk 'centrists.'" Both major parties are split. The "chickenhawk centrists" wind up, oddly, to the right of most moderate Republicans. Have to wonder how this will all sort itself out...

The way I see it is Americans like a winner.  I think the dems need to continue to walk and talk like winners, because image is everything...all the while working their tails off because nothing is won yet.

The truth be damned in their quest to be "fair and balanced"...

Exactly! Excellent post! We must all work to keep 3rd party and independent candidates off the ballot. All they do is steal our votes! Ralph Nader is directily responsible for the Iraq War! How could anybody vote for that dirty Arab when they have our pure and clean party to represent them?

Plus, Nader's practically the sole cause of global warming. It's true! I read it on DailyKos! And he plans to impeach our President! How could he?! I sure hope Pelosi and Rahm can stop this madman in time and save us all!!!

Ralph Nader has done a lot of good.

Sadly -as was widely forecast at the time- a result of his running in 2000 was to cause Bush to be elected (as I recall he got something like 90,000 votes in Florida).

I don't believe in working to keep 3rd parties of the ballot- or in voting for them when it is likely that that will result in a candidate like Bush beating a candidate like Gore .

The best is the enemy of the good.

Exactly! I agree with you completely! Ralph Nader is the evil world-destroying scum that started the Iraq War and made our wonderful Al Gore lose the election! Those were OUR 90,000 votes! How DARE he steal our votes!

And what about the 2000+ Buchanan votes in Dade County! Those were OUR votes! And what about Tennessee? Do you think Gore losing his home state was an accident? NO! It's was Ralph Nader's fault!

I too don't believe in keeping 3rd parties of the ballot. We must support our leaders lawsuits and pass more responsible laws to keep these parties from the ballot and not of the ballot! Voting democrat is the only thing to do! People should realize what a Lebanese scumbag Ralph Nader is and that voting for anyone but the two party candidates is ridiculous and futile and just just wrong!

You're exactly right, flavius! We're the good!!! Vote for us because we can win win win! Remember our motto: JUST SHUT UP AND VOTE!!!

In my Democratic home state of Maryland, I have on occasion voted GOP for governor when (as with Donald Shaefer) I didn't like our nominee and didn't want to contribute to a landslide.

Love it.

But you ain't a herd animal by a longshot. Most people are. Politicians will kill to get the bandwagon effect.

I like to brag that I am not responsible for the idiots running things. It is not literally true but pretty damn close.

In NY-24, Ray Meier, the Republican, was once our town supervisor and a worthless one he was. I wanted to be rid of him so badly I donated a few sheckels to the Democrat and was planning to volunteer. The more I see of Arcuri the less I like him. I think now I probably will pass though this is one of the hot races.

That may guarantee Arcuri's election. I never vote for a winner. Almost never. Maybe I should vote for Meier to assure his defeat. :-)

You are wrong this time, my friend. Good to get the celebrations going early. Thanks for being a kindred spirit.

Best, Terry

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how the Iraq policy has changed just in the last two weeks as GOP races are running so tightly?  The 'stay the course' msg is a killer, so now it has changed?

How coincidental is it that we have a ruling on gay unions, right before the election, in the state of NJ....just as we had the MA ruling prior to the last election??. This is a pattern, too perfectly timed to be mere.coincidence to me. And it was a 4-3 ruling.

Bush who has not stomped for any GOP candidate is in NJ today talking about preserving the institution of marriage in that tight race and the GOP candidates are talking about introducing an amendent, and Mc Greevy will be on Larry King tonight.

These changes in the last two weeks, show desperation and will the public buy it?.  How many states will the GOP be able to get out their voters using this recent NJ ruling?

Looks like we have our October surprise.....Foley and the NJ state ruling.

Which will carry more weight with the voters which will galvanize the 'christian right' voter more....sexual predators or gay unions?

Well I'm certainly going to vote for every democrat on the ticket this Nov 7 and perhaps you will too .I hope so.

Elect them and then we can both criticize their performance.

I'm outta here.

Ralph Nader has done well in saving American lives. Next time you or one of your loved ones has a massive inpact car crash, be grateful that the door didn't fly open and you or you're loved one wasn't ejected to a violent death through that open door.

Keyword Search:Nader Bolt.

Many of us may not agree with Nader's politics or the results from Nader's politics, but please show some respect for someone who has fought to keep us safe and alive.

Exactly! After we vote for them, after we send them our money, then they have to listent to us! It's just exactly like purchasing a service. We give them what they want and then they do what we want. Why can't people see something perfectly clear like that?

So I'm abso-tootly-ootly going to vote for every single democrat on the ballot just like you, flavius. And I hope everyone will join me in keeping all other candidates off the the ballot. Remember, lawsuits cost money! Send you donation to the DNC today!

Getting tired of this stuff, AS.

I suspect the hope is to show up on Google searches as evidence of loony liberals. I note that Mr. "Smithee" never capitalizes the word "democrat". Smells fishy.

Quite right.

I think he may be a voice from the left, expressing frustration that we may be moving toward a 1-party state from 2 perspectives: (1) consolidation of Republican control through gerrymandering, voting fraud, control of media, staffing agencies with political hacks, and preferential contract awards to companies that kick back contributions to Republicans, but also (2) through co-option of Democratic alternatives, so that from a corporate-control standpoint, it won't matter which party is in power. If lobbyists continue to write the legislation and staff the agencies, we've lost the battle to control the course of the country. But I think the dialogue about whether substantive change can emerge from the Democratic Party is one that would be better engaged in head-on than through parody.

Re: This is a pattern, too perfectly timed to be mere.coincidence to me. And it was a 4-3 ruling.

Um, do you think the GOP is controlling the behavior of NJ's left-leaning justices with Martian Mind Rays or something? And actually the NJ ruling is far weaker than the GOP could have hoped for. It's basically just Vermont all over again, not Massachusetts. It leaves open civil unions as a compromise position, something even Bush expressed tolerance for, and more importantly it punst the whole question into next year, taking much of the wind of the ruling for now.

You make an important point. This phenomenon of premature celebration has taken place on more than a number of occasions here in Israel, where left-of-center voters predicted an outright victory ('81, '84, '96) only to be disappointed the next morning when the other guys won. It leads to complacency.

"But remember 2004. Remember those exit polls. Remember our victory parties. Remember how much that night sucked ..." And we walked away with nothing - no White House, no Senate and no House. The sucking sound heard during the Campaign was the Republican disinformation machine pulling in more overconfident Democratic schmucks.

Yes as someone pointed out, the media loves to run stories on races. Controversy sells advertising, quiet little tea parties do not.

To quote the old sports phrase, "The shows not over till the _________ ________ ________. And there is still plenty of work to do before the ______ ______ ______.

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