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The Republican Party has only recently understood that Point Bush is indefensible, and is right now realizing that Points Hastert and Gingrich are in danger of being over run by the voters - the House of Representatives is all but assured to go Democratic, absent Osama bin Laden converting to evangelical Christianity on network television, and the Senate will be narrowly divided. 2008 will become a year of contingencies - the nature of the Presidential election, the geography of the races, the outcomes of the last two years.

Thus the Republicans and the right in general are retiring to rally point Reagan. Gidean Rachman asks whether a blogger is capable of coherent thought. The question to ask is whether the right is capable of coherent thought. The answer seems to be "Yes, but that isn't what he is going to write down."

Reagan wasn't about small government, and everyone who repeates this obvious canard is doing public discourse a disservice.

With George Bush's personal approval numbers at 39%, and job approval numbers wallowing in the mid 30's all the theories about American anti-intellecutalism, the hava beer effect and Texas envy are out the window. Seems like Americans just like a guy who promises something for nothing and pretends to the tell the truth, that is, until the multi-trillion dollar bill for nothing comes in the mail. Bush's belief - that the right wing could aggressively use the accumulated military power to transform the nation into a reactionary extension of Texas, has failed, and with it the stars of people like Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz have fallen. The neo-cons, like Sullivan, have jumped off this bandwagon rather quickly. They never really believed in the long slow slog theory of changing the world with military power, they believed that Iraq was Panama with oil. It wasn't. It was Vietnam with oil.

And the second part of that did not make things easier. Americans like steadfast and courageous. They don't like stubborn and stupid.

However the breaking of the Bush boulder is not isolated, the end of the Gingrichite "Republican Revolution" is also at hand. Nancy Pelosi is set to become Speaker of the House, and end the entire closed system that Gingrich and Hastert have built.

In truth the revolution part ended with "Freedom to Farm" and its failure to produce wins for agriculture. After that flirtation with the free market, the Gringrichites went back to the tried and true job of congress - which is to dispense pork based on political power, and not economic power.

The reason for this is that Congress is, and as long as we have a liberal economic system - more on that in a moment - always will be corrupt in the sense that it will funnel money to projects of marginal economic utility. That is, in fact, the point - tax inflation in the cities, and ship it out to the hinterlands, so that the people in the hinterlands neither go broke to metropolitian interests such as banks and transportation networks, nor pour into the cities. In either case the cost of clean up is higher than the cost of maintaining, and there are perceived benefits to having a strong rural and exurban component to the American character. More on this too, shortly.

The end of the Gingrichite revolution and marks the collapse of virtually everything the Republicans have tried to do since 1988. We are now back down to their flat tax of 1986, their consumption tax of 1983, and the creation of the national debt as a vast entitlement system for America's wealthy, and for the countries that are beating us economically.

In short, let us face the actual Reagan record.

The entire reason for the retreat to Reagan is because it allows people who are in their political orientation, which like sexual orientation seems to form before the age of reason, to go back to a time when they were seen as winners and as on the side of good. Standing tall.

The first reality is that Reagan was not generally that popular for that long. As the indespensible Pollkatz shows in his graph, Reagan was above 50% approval for about 5 years of his 8 year presidency, slightly less than bill Clinton. The core of Reagan's run was from late 1983 until mid 1986 - a three year period where it seemed it was "morning in America". Instead, as people have slowly realized over the 2/3rds of a generation since. We were treading water, and have been, with the exception of the dot.com bubble, have been ever since.

Reagan the figure of legend benefits from the previoust 13 years of upheaval and problematic government, the end of LBJ, all of Nixon-Ford and most of Carter seemed to be times that people wanted to forget. Carter and Nixon both seemed to get things going for very brief moments, only to have matters fall apart in their hands. Reagan's slick blue contrast with the earth tone Carter is decenniel as well as political. We'd rather not go back to the 1970's, thank you.

However as Reagan the legend begins to give way to Reagan the historical figure, the myth of libertarian Reagan getting government off of people's backs begins to dissolve before the facts.

The first fact is the fact that Reagan was a big government President. The share of GDP spent by the Federal government did not change materially during his time in office, nor did the level of market competition. By any measure the state sector remained the largest single employer and a driver of economic growth. While there was some deregulation on the margins, the structured markets that were opened have, in many cases, returned to being structured - consider telecommunications, which is rapidly monopolizing again. And Reagan never even pretended to be a social libertarian - a Reagan led Supreme Court even ruled that states could pass laws against particular sex acts between consenting adults, even when the intended to enforce those laws in a discriminatory way. Sullivan, under the Reaganite Supreme Court, is a felon.

And yet the unconvicted felon still longs for Reaganite days, and is trying to rally the right around their brief moment of shining victory over a left that did not seem to have answers for the problems of the 1965-1980 period. Reliving past glories is a fairly sure sign of a political movement that is worn out, tired and empty - and the right is in full memory of Thatcherism and Reaganism. Particularly when that memory is not particularly clear or accurate.

So what was Reagan? - since he was neither in favor of smaller government, nor in favor of libertarian theories of any kind when actually pushed to put them into practice. Consider the dramatic expansion of "the War on Drugs" as a case in point. Reagan hired gold bug ultra-conservatives, but made no material progress on creating a gold-standard America. In fact, the world is farther from a gold standard today than on the day that Margaret Thatcher took office - something that the hard core Austrian Economic follower's recognize.

The answer is that Reaganism and Thatcherism were a revolt against a way of doing business - of the owners of equities against labor, of the hard assed way of doing things against the soft voiced technocrat, and politically, of the suburbs against the city.

The FDR of history is very similar to the FDR of legend in what they did and how they did it - historical FDR is nicked and cut by various bad decisions - how can any one be President for so long without making several - but in the rough outlines, FDR did as he said he would do, and then some. FDR became more liberal as he was President. Ronald Reagan, the figure of living memory legend, and the Historical Reagan - the figure who emerges from studying the actual decisions, laws, results and ideas implemented - diverge wildly. The Historical Reagan is not the Libertarian Conservative Reagan of legend, but, instead, is merely someone who understood that this was the rainy day that had been saved for, and proceded to spend the money.

The Reagan of legend, which Sullivan genueflects to and lovingly plasters with dripping longing - is very different from Reagan the historical figure in most respects. The key overlap is not one of ideology, but one of personality. Reagan brought in hard men and women who liked being hard, government wasn't smaller when he left it, but it was more small souled, and more small minded.

Economically however, Reagan was for people who wanted liberalism without cities, blacks and about half of Keynesian economics. The half that paid for all the spending, specifically. Reagan's hard men and women went on a borrowing spree. Instead of using federal spending to subsidize labor, he used it to subsidize corporations.

There are good arguments to be made that capital gains were overtaxed in 1980 - particularly if one measures the real return on stocks adjusted for inflation - and that some adjustment needed to be made. That the Democratic Party of that moment had gotten into the mode of taxing in order to spend, rather than realizing that eliminating spending that is no longer returning is as liberal, and Keynesian, a thing to do as raising taxes to pay for spending - is an important part of Reagan's political victory. But it doesn't make Reagan any kind of libertarian to have him simply stop taxing and spending anyway, nor does it really change the basis of his economics to use "crude military Keynesianism" as a way of producing a sharp rebound from a double dip recession.

In short, the spending figures show that Reagan's rebound was virtually identical to other post-war rebounds. It was identical in terms of remeployment, wages and just about every other measure of economic activity and production. It fits neatly in the curve of the other rebounds.

So what was going on, if not "getting government off of people's backs" ?

Reagan's difference was not in macroëconomic policy, nor particularly in microëconomic policy, though there were some marginal changes against unions and labor and in deregulation, but these in no way account for much in the size of the total economy. It was mesoëconomic - who got the money was very different than before.

An important part of this change was the shift from subsidizing cities to subsidizing suburbs. One mechanism for this was block grants - which went to legislatures rather than being allocated from Washington, by matching grants or through earmarking by Congressmen. This isn't libertarian, it is neo-confederate, and helped continue the gains the Republicans made in the South.

The shift from spending on cities to spending on suburbia represents and important social shift to be sure - all government, in the end, is giving money and privileges to your friends and hoping they both do good and pay their taxes. Suburbia in 1980 felt neglected, without representation - in some part because of "pizza slice" districts, but also because of the very structure of government programs which focused on poverty - which is a feature far more of cities and rural areas than suburbia. Of suburbia's big issues - inflation, transportation, services, education and family dysfunction - other than inflation, none seemed to be particularly federal problems.

Thus suburbia understood that getting government "off their backs" meant not paying for cities - which they had moved to suburbia to try and escape - and instead handing money directly to state legislatures which were far more dominated by suburban interests. Suburbia wanted away from urban crime, density, costs of infrastructure - and Reagan offered it to them.

Thus Reagan's revolution was far more about the professional class trying to cut the wages of the working class, both directly through reducing labor bargaining power, and indirectly by shifting government spending. In this way, inflation would be contained by reducing the buying power of those on the bottom half of society - and those in the bottom half could then fight it out to see which half of the poor was paid to jail the other half of the poor.

This coalition does not, in any meaningful way, represent a return to small government values, nor in any sense is it economically or socially libertarian. Instead it is entirely friendly to restrictions on access to sex, entirely friendly to erosion of 4th amendment rights, entirely friendly to big government and mounting national debt. The suburban society was growing, and found its political voice. As long as the Republicans remained the party of suburbs, they were the party on the rise.

The relentless critics of Reagan often miss a series of inconvenient truths about the political and economic world as it existed in 1981.

First, the Great Recession was coming, because the Federal Reserve, in concert with other central banks, was going to put the screws in on access to money. The inflation of the 1970's was going to be brought to an end by a very blunt use of Keynesian economics - tightening access to credit, and taking the resulting fall in demand as a means of containing inflation.

The second is that the progressive idea of a United States not dependent on oil for economic growth did not exist at that moment - computer technology, materials technology, economic theory, social organization - none of these existed in a form sufficient to convert a prodigal modern economy into something else. The windmills, solar panels, nuclear power plants, engine designs, biomass technologies were not even close to market.

The third is the great problem of that moment: liberalism had one basic mechanism - treat people better, and they will work harder and smarter. Raise people's standards of living, and this will generate technology and supply to accomplish it. This ran head long into the problem that there was one commodity that could not be substituted away from - oil for transportation - and the monetary base of the United States, since it rests on the value of assets created by a mechanized economy, has a rental value that is much lower than the rental cost of paying money to OPEC. Basically, as long as it is cheaper for an American to pay rent to King Faisal for oil, than to pay the going cost of land, he does this. However, the money that he does this with leaves the US, and stops creating any multiplier effect. The bind of liberalism is that it needed cheap oil to generate jobs and activity, and it needed expensive oil to prevent dollars from flooding out into the world. Like all policy binds, it is lethal to the political regime that fails to reframe the problem.

The forth is that liberalism, the social system, had run its course of people - it was no longer generating new minds of sufficient flexibility to face problems. One can look back on 1977, and plot out a Carter administration that could have survived and flourished. Just as one could see how the Democrats could have won the Presidency in 1968 and held on to power. One could also look at 1960, and realize that if the Republicans had nominated a more credible candidate than Nixon, they might well have defeated John F Kennedy and found a way to become the majority party. But politics and economics are as much about who as about what.

And it is on this point that the Historical Reagan, and the Legendary Reagan, are most alike. It is here that both converge, and it is here that the real heart of the Reagan-Thatcher solution to the problems of instability, trepedation and inflation lies. Reagan and Thatcher brought in hard people. People willing to inflict misery on other people. People willing to lay the lumber down on the working class, and even more so on the day laboring class.

They were willing to warehouse urban criminals in jail forever, they were willing to impose a stagnation tax on wages, and they were willing to let people slip into a permanent state of semi-poverty, floating between jobs on one hand, and lotteries and alcohol on the other. This hardness was projected in foreign affairs, in domestic affairs. It brought with it a wave of people who had been waiting to lay into the "softness" of all kinds - in education, in criminal justice, in economics, in society.

The right might want to run and hide from the reality that they are, in fact, a bunch of conservative inflationists who have a wide streak of political sadism in them, but it does not take long wandering in the wilderness of right wing ranting to realize that what unifies the right wing is not a love of small government, nor a love of rights, nor any particular economic theory, but a personal belief that other people's right to a face stops at your fist, and that problems are best solved by beating the guts out of whoever crosses you - whether in the foreign or domestic environment.

This attitude can be seen in the area of education - a worship of "the Western Canon" by a host of academics who then procede to violate just about every tenet of humanism contained in it. People who thump Adam Smith as if Wealth of Nations were a bible, and biblical literalists who scowl and spit out truisms contained in the 30 verses they bother to memorize. It is a narrow, nasty, creed, and one that gets narrower all the time. It is also what unified the Thatcher, Reagan, Gingrich and Bushite revolutions. Not reason, nor conservatism, nor libertarianism, but a basic faith in the triumph of the will.

Since, at that time, being a hard ass was far, far, far out of fashion in technocratic and liberal circles - people of this persuasion, regardless of their political theories or policy preferences, had only one place to go: the Republican Party. The Republican Party came to be the party of people that happen to other people.

Sullivan and the other neo-conservative apologists ignore this in favor of misty rhetoric, the most Reaganesque thing about it is its resemblence to early onset Alzheimer's disease. It is also no small thing - hard men and women doing hard things is part of politics. A polity that can't distinguish between the unfortunate, and bearers of ill fortune, is in great trouble. Every polity is going to need to make, and carry out, hard, cold decisions. It is going to have to consign people to death, it is going to have to condemn millions to less than they might have. It is going to have to make choices that will cause some people to be maimed or injured, so that more good might go to others. No government can save everyone, nor can any government make the right sacrificial choices all the time. The irreducible reality of government, however constituted, is that matters of life and death leave blood on the hands of those people that must weigh them.

That liberalism had cast out too many of its own hard men and women was the real source of the Republican Revolution - that it could not make the hard decisions soon enough in Carter's tenure, that it made too many of the wrong ones under LBJ's war in Vietnam.

Thus Bush represents, not a rejection of Reaganism, but an affirmation of it. Not an aberation, but a culmination. Not antithetical, but apotheosis. Reagan's hard men were replaced by others yet harder. The willingness to spill all costs down to the poor is beginning to threaten the very conservative inflationism that allowed Alan Greenspan to laddle out dollars far beyond what the ordinary cannons of monetarism would have allowed. Reagan and Thatcher used short sharp wars to warn other nations not to cross the great powers, it was inevitable that one of these wars would be a bear trap - just as the liberal idea of mobilization would, sooner or later, be a tide that hit rocks that would not yield.

The retreat of the conservatives to the happy haven of Reagan is also doomed as policy. Virtually every circumstance which allowed Thatcherism and Reaganomics to work is gone. Far from being over-taxes, holders of rent are under taxed dramatically, and the resulting lack of research has created a pervasive lack of investment supply. The United States is no longer a creditor nation that makes more from its investments than it pays out, but one that pays out more in investment service than it takes in. The Baby Boom is not about to enter its peak earning years, but its peak "burning years". The rest of the world is not half enslaved, but competing for a diminishing flow of the very same oil that Carter had no chance of weaning us from. Developing nations now know that allowing Western finance to come in too soon, is to be stripped bare of assets - and China and India are both taking steps to prevent this, as the oilarchies long ago did. They can buy our companies, but we cannot buy theirs on equal terms. Worker's wages are now not high relative to the size of the economy, but after a generation of standing still, are not even enough to pay the debt service they have taken on. There isn't a generation of pension funds to pillage, but instead a middle class with a negative savings rate.

In short, the Conservative Troll, not Soul, wants to go back to the idyllic moment when Liberalism was both rich in savings to loot, and poor of energy and ideas to prevent it. When the world was, indeed, ready for a generation long spending binge, when there was a fat bank account to tap. All of this is gone, as gone as the polluted rivers and monolithic network news broadcasts. It is a waning memory, like the sound of Walter Cronkite's sign off of "and that's the way it is." We look back on it through an increasingly smokey lense, as E.L. Doctrow looked back on the turn of the century in Ragtime.

They are also not facing a liberal movement unsure of itself, confused and a drift. They are facing a progressive movement that sees the moral and practical urgency of transforming the basis of the global economy, transforming the basis of social organization, and is increasingly impatient with the absurdities that the right wing spews. Things such as Sully's little book, which could be summarized as "Conservativism is great, except for everybody who votes for it." Darwin denial, anti-science insanity, borrow and squander budget policies, venomous and hypocritical anti-homosexual zealotry, corruption, waste, fraud, phantom WMD's, outright lies and war crimes. The list grows longer every day, and it grows faster than even opponents of the conservative movement can keep up with.

In the end the attempt to "go back to Reagan" is the final crowing mendacity, a pure, crass and naked dishonesty from a movement that has over and over again crowed that "ideas have consquences" - that is, one can judge a movement by its results. The attempt to throw Bush and Iraq beneath the train represents an attempt to run from the very first principle of the conservative counter-revolution against liberalism - judge ideas by their results.

In short, if there is any book that makes a fitting tombstone for the entire attempt to revive conservatism, it is Andrew Sullivan's. It proves that the movement stands, and always stood, for nothing but the greed and self-advancement of its members. That it was the ultimate post-modern movement, in that it is about nothing but itself.

And it is this quality which is leading to the string of disasters that the modern conservative movement has fallen prey to. Just as the hard men of Reagan didn't really mean what they said, so they were replaced by people who didn't even think they meant it. Earnest anti-liberals like Dole have been replaced by the likes of George Felix Allen, who don't just play at being racists, they have spent their whole lives becoming racists. People whose primary qualification for office is a tremendous knowledge of hair care products. As a result, people like James Webb, Wesley Clark, Mark Parkinson have left the Republican Party. These are not soft men, on the contrary, they are doers, risk takers and deciders. They are Democrats, because they are all addicts to getting things done. The same process is at work among conservative Democrats - people like John Edwards, once a conservative Democrat representing North Carolina in the Senate - now an outspoken advocate for ending poverty in America. He too has changed his views, because it was never the specifics of policy which he was attached to, but the results that those policies had.

The battle cry of the conservatives - that "ideas have consequences" is now turning against them. Having, for years, "lied by prediction" - that is told everyone to wait until the results were in before criticizing - now that the results are in, they are running as fast as they can, but physics doesn't allow you to run back 25 years, and even slowing the clock by much means approaching the speed of light.

Iraq was supposed to be the tabula rasa - the proof that unrestricted untrammelled plutocracy could rebuild a country faster and better than big government liberalism. The true believers went there to produce von Mises' eden on the Tigris. Instead, as with all unregulated wars of all against all, life there is now nasty, brutish and short. But then, if they had been busy reading the Western philosophical tradition rather than building scaffolds with it, they would have read enough Hobbes to know that.


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 the [conservative] movement stands, and always stood, for nothing but the greed and self-advancement of its members.

John Kenneth Galbraith made the same observation years ago, when there was still such a thing as moderate Republicanism. 

Today the smiling Reagan mask has dropped and the ugliness beneath has been fully revealed.  If people choose to go further down this path they will have no one to blame but themselves.  All the cards are now on the table.  Even the media-bamboozled can read them.  

A fine piece, Stirling.  Thank you. 

Ovid

I can attest, as a resident of the DC area until the '80s and steady visitor afterward, that when Reagan came in the population of the area exploded. Empty lots rapidly filled in, glitzy corporate headquarters multiplied like rabbits, and the sleepy area of Arlington known as Rosslyn became a little Manhattan. The money knew where it should be, right there helping Congress help it.

I'll quibble with one point that is history now but still pertinent. The real advances in renewable energy are the market, not the technology. The solar panels in widespread use are the same that NASA used, the waste-heat driven co-generators many factories use were first getting popular after the '73 oil embargo forced them into use. The wind turbine is not revolutionary, only common. Cheap computation has helped car mileage, but if market incentives for energy saving had been in place in the '70s we would not have imported any oil since then.

An example of the market being more significant than the technology is found in today's NYT. It reports on a new kind of energy company that owns the means of production but does it at each user's location, with roof-mounted solar. A major customer is General Motors. Both parties win; GM pays less for power and the energy company, which bought the solar panels in large quantity gaining economies of scale, does, too.

Reagan set us back in many ways, ignoring the lesson of 1973, and squandering billions on a hurry-up for truly cutting-edge technology, SDI. To whatever extent Reagan can claim credit for running the USSR into the ground, it wasn't such a good outcome, with the sudden collapse and looting of the state's assets.

 

Re: To whatever extent Reagan can claim credit for running the USSR into the ground, it wasn't such a good outcome, with the sudden collapse and looting of the state's assets.

I don't think it fair to blame Reagan for the Russians' own sins. And to the extent that Americans were involved in the looting of the Kremlin, that happened under Bush I's watch (and Clinton's too). But on the whole the Soviet fizzle out most certainly was a good thing and it gave us one good non-militaristic decade before the desperate neo-con cabal found us another enemy.

If the US had no part in bringing down Soviet power the results are due to the Russians' choices. If the US had some responsibility for the collapse it also has some for the aftermath.

I find a parallel in the desire to knock over existing regimes without concern over what follows, when we look at Iraq. The difference is that we have clear responsibility for the collapse of Saddam's regime, but the Soviet Union collapsed mostly on its own, I believe.

I agree, and would even give Reagan/Bush I/Clinton decent to high marks for handling such an unprecedented set of events. That said, it may very well be that Putin and Russia are what history will treat Dubya the harshest on, not Iraq/Iran/North Korea.

I do reserve the right however to treat Reagan with scorn over the reemergence of the military-industrial complex, but since Bush I/Clinton worked to put that genie back into the bottle, this is another indictment that could ultimately fall on Dubya.

Thus Bush represents, not a rejection of Reaganism, but an affirmation of it. Not an aberation, but a culmination. Not antithetical, but apotheosis. Reagan's hard men were replaced by others yet harder. The willingness to spill all costs down to the poor is beginning to threaten the very conservative inflationism that allowed Alan Greenspan to laddle out dollars far beyond what the ordinary cannons of monetarism would have allowed.

It appears that even the "Reagan Democrats" have begun to realize how thoroughly they have been duped and fleeced, and they are now fleeing the Republican party. Attempts by Sullivan and his ilk to throw Bush under the bus in favor of some Alzheimeresque vision of Reagan reveal how desperate the Republicans have become. Fascinating to observe how thoroughly the Republican "hard men" have become a joke, and their cruelties have begun to bury their hopes.

"The solar panels in widespread use are the same that NASA used"

The manufacturing process for even the silicon based panels is far less energy intensive than it was before. Since the LCA of a solar panel is, for all intents and purposes, the cost of manufacturing and installing it, this means that the LCA of solar energy has gone from slightly higher than 1.5 in those days to almost 6 today. A four fold improvement and over twice the rate of improvement of internal combustion over the same period.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Reagan and Thacther can claim some credit for giving the West a bit of swagger back, and helping the USSR implode. There has been blowback from that implosion, and from the Cold War generally, but I wouldn't want the USSR or the Cold War back.

A sharper criticism is that the same movement that was very good at riding the USSR down to the ground, was not very good at dealing with the aftermanth - Reagan-Bush, Thatcher-Major and Kohl do not win any great marks for their handling of the post-cold war transition.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Oh hell. You want to know the real reason the Soviet Union collapsed? It wasn't that they were spent into the ground. It was simple lack of interest.

Look, the Soviet leadership were a product of the crisis and stress of WWII, a war that had cost the Soviets some 25 million lives and had required a colossal national effort.

You look at the Politburo and everyone, Stalin, Kruschev, Brezhnev was a product of that 'greatest generation' and the ideas, the values, the requirements of same. These guys were all born before the first world war, most of them between 1897 and 1914.

So what happened to the Soviet 'greatest generation' in a hierarchical, bureaucratic, dictatorial society. They wound up running things, and they held on.

In the US the 'greatest generation' found itself challenged in the 60's, undermined in the 70's and replaced in the 80's. In the Soviet, they simply remained in place.

Through the 80's, Brezhnev was a sick old man. He finally died in 1982, and was replaced by Andropov, an even sicker old man terrified that the US will finally launch its nuclear attack, who dies in 1984. And he's replaced by Chernenko, another sick old man whose qualification is that he's barely alive, and he dies in 1985.

And that's it for the Soviet Greatest Generation. Period.

Whose next? Gorbachev, 20 to 30 years younger than his predecessors, born in 1931. Which means that he's maybe ten years old when Hitler turns on Stalin and thirteen when its all over. Gorbachev rises to power literally because the people above him keep dying. The old generation is literally dying off.

And he just doesn't care. He comes out of the Ministry of Agriculture for gods sakes. He was more interested in Milking Machines than Star Wars. Glasnost? Perestroika? These were Soviet initiatives by a new generation. The Soviets were moving inevitably towards liberalization, towards democratization.

It wasn't even a new phenomenon. We saw the same thing happen in Spain after Franco died, and we saw the same thing happen in the Dominican Republic after Trujillo. We'll see it in Cuba after Castro, and we would have seen it occur naturally in Iraq after Hussein.

Tyrannical states are very good at maintaining an apparent social stasis. But beneath the surface, forces of change accumulate. When the enforcers of stasis finally lose their grip there is a huge social and political transformation.

You want my opinion? Reagan screwed it up. Reagan kept the cold war going for years longer than it would have lasted, and he damned near got the rest of us blown to pieces. He did his best to wreck the economy with a bloated military establishment and twenty years later we're all still paying for it, even as Bush II runs up new debts.

The Reagan Demolcrats fled a long time ago: in the 90s they went either to Perot or to Clinton. Check out the voting patters in Macomb County, Michigan, which in the 80s was treated as Ground Zero of the Reagan Democrats.
And to be a bit fair here, the sort of conservatism Sullivan outlines in his book is more or less the conservatism that America should have in place of the neo-Throne and Altar monstrosity* we do have. Stirling is convincing when he points out that Sullivan is romaticizing Reagan's record when he tries to canonize Reagan as the saint of this sort of conservatism, but that doesn't mean that Sullivan's "conservatism of doubt" is itself a bad thing.

* Not really a good way to describe it, but I don't really know how else to characterize modern Amerrican conseravtism. It isn't neo-fascist as some claim: fascism is intensely nationalist even in the economic sphere of life and fascists would never tolerate the outsourcing of production or any economic policy that rebounded to the profit of foreign nations. Nor is our conservatism truly theocratic since the right-wing elites, for the most part, sneer at their good Christian soliders behind their backs.

"Conservatism of doubt" corresponds to the doubts liberals had, and to some extent still have, about the workablity of liberalism. Id est, it is yet another indicator that conservatism doubts the results of its own ideas, and therefore is ready and ripe to be torn apart.


Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

We're a bit arrogant in claiming either credit or blame. The Soviet nations pretty much returned to type. Culture was more powerful than superpowers. Eastern Europe was relatively easily merged back into Europe. All those "stans" most of us had never heard of us are just as ungovernable and pre-modern as they ever were. Russia is just as conflicted as ever on whether it is a truly European nation or its own unique hybrid of European and Asian influences and still not ready to break free from authoritarianism.

A sharper criticism is that the same movement that was very good at riding the USSR down to the ground, was not very good at dealing with the aftermanth - Reagan-Bush, Thatcher-Major and Kohl do not win any great marks for their handling of the post-cold war transition.

I don't know Stirling, first Reagan wasn't around/coherent for the post-cold war transition though as you said, he did a decent job of riding that bull to the ground. Bush I on the other hand IMO did a masterful job in first following a course of no action is the best action(esp. when you consider that most of his advisors had a hard on to take advantage of the situ.). But also in the handling of Tianamen Square, Kremlin coup of '91, and Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. He may be a member of the opposite party but kudoes are still deserved for these, especially when you consider how his son would've (mis)handled them.

Good point, but it is less an advance in any basic science than engineers tweaking production techniques, I believe. That could have happened earlier, and is exactly the expected result of ramping up production. Barry Commoner was arguing in the '70s that government could make markets in certain technologies and yield production efficiencies that would make for consumer-friendly pricing.

The question is whether we wait for a natural process or make it a national priority, or in the opposite direction, whether we reward oil and coal companies. Reagan did nothing for the advance in renewables, and Bush has done not much.

No doubt Reagan never pretended to be a social libertarian.

Perhaps it's time we elect a real one.

The Soviet collapse actually led to remarkably little trouble: the Yugoslavian nastiness, the Chechen wars and some similar localized bloodslettings. But nothing comparable to what has often followed the implosion of an empire. see: War of the Spanish Succession or the Napoleonic Wars or WWI and then imagine those conflicts with nuclear armed contestants for an idea of what could have happened. Bush I's Do Nothing policy was indeed a masterful one. Too bad Bush II didn't learn the lesson and just stood aside as Islamic civilization goes down the tubes. Yes, I know, oil, 9-11 and all that-- so maybe "Do Nothing" was not an option, but surely "Do As Little as Possible" was.

As I recall, Reagan, don't ask me how, managed to convince people who felt or saw themselves as marginal that they too could be players and about the only things standing in their way were the tax-happy Dems who were funneling their hard earned dollars to the indolent, undeserving poor.

Simple, simplistic, sure, but it worked. (Reagan wasn't called the great communicator for nothing.)

"I've got mine and I don't care about anybody else" naturally became the cry of the new want-to-be-can-be-players. What even today would come across as a callous remark, at the time identified the "player."

What was in a sense overt greed in the '80's (even a mark of pride) is now covert greed on a much grander scale and much more dangerous. In combination, the powers in government and the corporate world have joined forces and the American people are their ultimate victims.

I'd make a distinction between Midwest/Western conservatism of the Reagan variety and Southern/Eastern conservatism. The first is far more egalitarian and based on the premise that everyone who makes the effort can succeed. The second type is much more class based and doesn't believe that many can or should succeed.

[This is a response to JPF311--I'm getting "Validation Error" when I try to respond directly.


* Not really a good way to describe it, but I don't really know how else to characterize modern Amerrican conseravtism. It isn't neo-fascist as some claim: fascism is intensely nationalist even in the economic sphere of life and fascists would never tolerate the outsourcing of production or any economic policy that rebounded to the profit of foreign nations. Nor is our conservatism truly theocratic since the right-wing elites, for the most part, sneer at their good Christian soliders behind their backs.

You pose an interesting challenge. Let me throw out my first fleeting thought, which may not hold up but seemed interesting.

Might the descriptor be multinational fascism, after the idea of multinational corporations? If one outsources within the multinational set, it doesn't violate the ideology.

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

Re: Might the descriptor be multinational fascism

I don't think that's a possibility, because the defining characteristic of fascism is the notion that The Nation (or in the Nazi variant, Das Volk) is paramount. Fascism in inherently nationalistic and without that element, expressed everywhere, you can't have fascism. Fascism is a political/cultural movement not an economic or a class-based one. Fascists tend to ride herd on coporations and the upper class to make sure they serve The Nation; today's GOP does anything but.
I really think today's GOP politics is sui generis and really can't be compared adequetely to anything in history. A few years ago I used to describe it as "neo-Feudalist" but that also does not work because of the complete lack of the sense of noblese oblige that ameliorated feudalism's worst effects. We will probably have to wait until our momemnt in history is dead and buried before it can be described adequetely.

The term "corporatist" has been suggested. In this formulation, money is supreme, and trumps any other principal.

The irony of acting to protect and enhance money, which does a good job of protectng its interests without help, is matched by the repeated demands to end discrimination against the white majority (through affirmative action). The majority is capable of protecting itself, so the reason for the push is likely to maintain a low-wage underclass that is non-white.

If you take fascism back to Hegel, I would read him as more as suggesting there is a leader imperative than it being necessarily nationalistic. Indeed, the Nazis tended to use the word volkisch, which is often translated to refer to "folk" but has a flavor of nationalism. They certainly included (by their definition) Aryans who were not German nationals, even naturalized ones like Hitler himself. Given Germany itself was a recently formed nation, the focus was more on the Volk, and less the Reich.

If one considers the "corporatist" elite in the Ubermensch category, would world-Hegelian be any more satisfactory?

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

Re: Indeed, the Nazis tended to use the word volkisch, which is often translated to refer to "folk" but has a flavor of nationalism.

I agree that fascism need not center on a nation-state per se. For the Nazis it centered on a supposed race. And if one gives credence to the concept of an Islamofascism (or a Christofascism) then it would center on a religion. Problem with BushCo is that there is no central community that these guys deify like that. In fact at their core they seem to be nothing more than hyper-egoists, glorifying themselves and lusting for power not for asny esternal purpose but simply for power's own sake.

Neo-Aristocratic?

Maybe one should't try to do too much out of a difference between Volk and Nation.


"Völkisch," on the other hand, may perhaps better be understood as Populist - contemporarily without any negative connotations.

Volk was a good choice for the Nazis also since it was a word that is domestic to the German language, which can't be said about Nation that carried connotations of an elitist approach on the people.

I had a flash thought of Ayn Rand with a high fever, giving the worst attributes of her power-hungry types, collectivists in name only, to the inhabitants of Galt's Gulch. OTOH, the inhabitants of the Gulch were competent.

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

The Soviet collapse was followed by one terrible defeat from our side.

Our governments, and the experts and advisors they contributed with, had the opportunity to guide Russia on the way to economic growth and democracy.

We failed, and not only have Russians become disillusioned in the concept of Democracy, that for them is connected with the creation of oligarchs and their own increased poverty, unemployment, and unequality; but we have got a Russia that will be much more of a problem for us, once the nation has regained its relative strength. Then their quest for the lost glory will begin.

Writing from the shore of the Baltic Sea, this is one of the most pressing long-term threats in this part of the world - but, of course, not only here.

Re: Our governments, and the experts and advisors they contributed with, had the opportunity to guide Russia on the way to economic growth and democracy.

I think you're giving us too much credit and, in a much more benign way, making the same mistake the Neo-Cons made with Iraq. I don't think the US can dispense Democracy, Justice and Prosperity from on high like some benevolent deity granting boons. Nations must find their own way to such goals.

Nope.
The U.S. can not.

What the U.S. unfortunately could, however, partly through the WMF, was making it impossible also for the Russians themselves, and also for the close-by European Union to step-by-step guide Russia in the right direction via


  • Rule of law

  • Equality for the law

  • Liberty to own and trade property

  • Liberty to pursue education and trade

  • Freedom of thought

  • Freedom of speech

  • Liberty to organize business corporations as well as special interest organizations

But no, we (as in We the West) went in and told that "democracy" was necessary for Russia, and the Russians experienced a total break down of social security and societal order as they knew it.

Re: What the U.S. unfortunately could, however, partly through the WMF, was making it impossible also for the Russians themselves, and also for the close-by European Union to step-by-step guide Russia in the right direction via


I'm not sure what you are saying here. As I recall the 90s the US pretty much stood down and didn't do much of anything, apart from maintain cordial (almost obsequiously cordial) relations with the Yeltsin administration while Russia tried to sort out its own problems. Also, Russia is a (more or less) European country and while it's rather too large a pig for the EU to swallow whole surely the Europeans ought have taken some interest in the place too, if only because a next door neighbor in trouble is, well, trouble in the neighborhood. But of course Europe was famously disinterested in anything outside itself too in the 90s as witness the European non-response to the Balkan troubles.

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