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Fin de l'epoch

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You would sort of expect a movie sexual discovery to advertise itself as being "everything you need to survive the last two years of Bush". However, when even Bob Woodward gets off the bus, then the handwriting is on the wall. Not only don't people approve of the job Bush is doing, they don't like him either.

I know I am writing for a sea of writers and readers who have been composing "15.million.variations.on.I.told.you.so" about Bush mendacity, malfeasance and malice. Which is why the impending sense of fin de l'epoch should be so sweet. Though perhaps it might just be a natural cycle.

Trust me. If it isn't yet. It will be soon. But it has been a long time in coming.

The roots of this year, and the election years that will follow, go back to the last decade, when the old liberalism was crumbling quickly. There were two responses.

One was the Clintonian response of riding the wave - of taking Reaganism at face value, and learning to play the game. Clinton was a better Reaganite than Reagan, he was rewarded with two terms as President - the first time since Truman, who served virtually the whole of FDR's fourth term - and was punished with a howling mob of Republicans in Congress. They didn't like Reaganism, only the votes it got. The Republicans could talk the talk, but not walk the walk.

The second response was to search for a new idea, or new world of ideas. The birth of what Matt Stoller calls "the forward left". Not ironically, it was the Clintonian response, which sought easy wins in technology, which also created the group of people who are most sceptical of Clintonism - the children of the internet, which while Al Gore didn't invent it, letting it loose to the private sector was his idea, and it produced large wins.

This second response accepted the Clintonian focus on people - making people understand what is to be done, why it is to be done, and how it is to be done. This was really a revival of liberal politics from Wilson, through FDR, to JFK. The Republicans under Reagan had appropriated it, but Clinton took it right back - and rightfully so, the unity of ideas and means is a liberal construct.

It also accepted much of the late 20th century critique of modern liberalism, particularly the unworkability of large top down structures and bureaucracy. This is also both more and less radical than it looks. FDR didn't set out to create a bureaucracy in Washington DC, in fact he abhored what Hoover had done in expanding the Federal government. However, it was the only instrument which would do what he wanted it to do, faced, as he was, with states of varying qualities of competence and cleanliness of governance. And the war ended any thought of a small center for a very long time.

Finally, it accepted the reality that most problems will be solved by identifying bad ideas and bad activities and ending them, rather than pushing new activities on people. People, observed the Clintonians, will flock to a new idea if it does what they need.

However, it rejected three key tenets of Clintonism.

The first tenet it rejected was Clintonian minimalism - do the least, because that is what the public supports. This is, to no small extent, because the forward left saw problems as being larger than merely US problems. The origin of this is in globalization, after being told over and over again that governments aren't big enough to handle global problems, and seeing over and over again that corporations profit from exacerbating global problems rather than solving them, the obvious conclusion was that minimalist government was at minimum, a losing proposition. The forward left concluded that one is half way to hell, as soon as one accepts half measures. Since the DLC/Clintonian/Conservative response to anything is a half measure, this rejection created a fundamental divide.

The second tenet was urgency. The new political world is the world of urgency - whether on the left or the right. While older generations of politicians were satisified to put things vaguely on the right track, and hope that time would erode a problem - in economics, it is the worship of the trendline - the forward left, like the radical right flowering at the same time, rejected what could be called "policy punt and pray" - punt on doing the hard questions of policy, and pray it all works out.

The third tenet came from the above two. It is one that is less often put into words, but it is the pin that holds together both maximalism and urgency - faith in the network. The social sector, rather than the private or public sectors, is the place where the action is. Not in the small sense of people turning off the unused light, but in the large sense, that the energy of the social sector is capable of being directed and focused to create a powerful, forward moving, progressive wave.

Since 2002, we have seen the explosion of these ideas. And at this moment, we are seeing the collapsing of both the Clintonian thesis, and the Rovian counter-thesis. The Rovian counter-thesis is that one could have the energy of the social sector - in the form of radical reactionary religion - and the urgency of a new epoch, without progress or progressivism. Rove may have been the political expression of this, but he was far from alone, left or right, on the idea that the new environment could be harnessed in a strictly post-modern way. That just as the early post-modern world was originally seen as merely hyper-modernism, the digital world and its people were seen first as merely a better way of selling post-modern producer/consumer top down media politics. Producers of politics solve problems, and little people send checks, vote, and stuff envelopes. And then they should go away and let the real people do the work of government.

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The examples of the crumbling of the Rovian counter thesis are more amusing, and hence more fun to write about, for example take how Ezra Klein picks up Ian Parker's evisceration of Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens is part of the "911 ate my brain" club, seeing the present in 1930's esque terms - which it distinctly is not, we are not on the verge of a complete disintegration of one global monetary, political and economic system under the pressure of a new technology and society. He thought of 911 as being "our Spanish Civil War", and if this is the case, he threw his lot in with our Franco.

There is also of course the Foley Fallout - a gift which keeps on giving as it turns out that Rove himself argued to Mark Foley that he had to run again for office. Think about the grind of the architect of anti-gay hysteria as a vote getting tool arguing to a promiscuous closeted gay Republican man with a long term partner and a taste for cruising the page pool... well "some jokes just write themselves."

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The electoral wave that is now threatening to capsize the Republican era of corruption in Congress, however, began far out at sea. Over three years ago Matt Stoller and I wrote a memo, "The Clark Congress" saying that the Democrats could, by generating a 5% ideological shift, take power by grabbing districts in Connecticut, New York, Ohio, Illinois, and the upper midwest, buttressed by districts in the South. We weren't alone in this thinking - Tom Schaller was laboring in the vineyards to produce what may be the "Emerging Republican Majority" analog for a new political era. Frequently Daily Kos writer Armando also emphasized the "Lincoln coalition" in his posts. But at the time the memo was circulated, Democratic strategists, the press, and even much of the party base, was still hypnotized by going South.

The thesis was, and is, that the cultural climate of the South and Parts of the Rockie mountain west, even if they vote Democratic, will not be core to a progressive working majority in Congress.

Thus the Democratic Party should focus its energies on electing representatives that will form parts of that working core, and create a core presence in the other areas that can add weight in elections where events, local or national, are favorable. Seeing the Democratic Party as the instrument of progressivism led to the conclusion that one should look for progressive votes first.

This was the reverse of the Clintonian/DLC thesis that one sells out base voters in safe districts outside the South, to appeal to marginal voters in close races inside the south. Don't go after the 5%-10% of marginal Republican leaning independents in the north, but instead the 1%-2% in very close races who can't decide whether they hate gays or gas prices more.

The political strategizing of searching for a progressive, rather than merely partisan, however, is important because it created a simple political imperative. Fight everywhere, even in the districts of Tom DeLay, Roy Blunt and Hastert the Unspeakerable. Because the objective was not just to win votes in Congress, but change the political culture, and therefore what Congress voted on.

It was, at first, a lonely task. As Howard Park recalls:


Since almost the day after the 2004 election I've been informally promoting a few House candidates who are now in very competitive races. Over a year ago, however, I literally experienced laughter & derision when I even suggested that people take a look at those races. One person, a friend then & now, even suggested that I was promoting the Republican cause just by suggesting that a little seed money go into those races rather than being "targeted" at one of the 10 races or so that were thought to be competitive at the time. In districts that are now in "play"-- without the early, lonely groundwork -- gathering the signatures months & months ago, begging money from people they don't know for hours on end just like a telemarketer, spending hours campaigning without any real interest and nothing but disdain from the "professionals" we would not have anybody running in many districts that are now the key to a Democratic majority.

Part of the reasoning, and I know because I made this argument myself, was that the Republican congress was indelibly corrupt, and therefore its leaders would, sooner or later, trip up. At the time we were waiting on the DeLay indictment, and I argued in 2004 to people that running in DeLay's district was important, because "when DeLay is indicted, we win the district straight up." It didn't happen in time for 2004, but DeLay has run from the ballot.

These two factors combined - Republicans gave leadership posts to people in "Northern Moderate" districts which were unwinnable only because of the power of the incumbent. But if powerful incumbent means corrupt, and therefore eventually vulnerable, incumbent - then running against incumbents would mean picking up the very districts necessary to break the back of the Republican Party outside its reactionary base.

The Foley Fallout is gutting Pryce and Reynolds and Hastert - three key players in the reactionary machine from otherwise winnable districts.

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However, as important as the crumbling of Rove, is the crumbling of the conservative Democratic thesis of governmental minimalism and merely maintaining New Deal and a few Great Society programs. One of the first casualties is Mark Warner's bid for the Presidency. I ribbed Warner sometime ago about his chances, and he is a sincere and smart guy. However, without a maximalist agenda - a demand on society, there is no reason why any governmental minimalist should vote for anyone but Hillary Clinton. Clintonism is collapsing back from whence it came, in no small part because Hillary and Bill Clinton - as a team - were the only people who were smart enough, and saavy enough, to make it really work. There aren't many Rhodes Scholars who are as smooth as Elvis, married to Fortune 500 quality executive talent.

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Clintonism transformed the country, and perhaps intentionally, perhaps not, it created the conditions where the left would be resurgent under different terms. No small part of this is the growth of the internet culture, or rather, the growth of the internet culture is a sign of the change in question - however the other component is, of course, Iraq.

Iraq represents the death of Clintonism, because it is a betrayal of the Clintonian ethos of "do the minimum". Instead, it was a vast throw of the dice. And it was backed by Hillary and by the Clintonians, who pulled others along in their wake to join the crusade. It was a maximalist grab, in an era that kept telling us we didn't have the money to do anything about global warming. Iraq has pushed up the price of oil, and cost more, than Kyoto would have. Think on that.

That does not mean the end of the chances for Hillary Clinton - she is smart, and has smart people. She has money and is busy giving it out to get loyalty. The pop media system may be wounded, but she has the name recognition in a world were that still counts. But it does mean that she is turning from running to the right to rack up a big election victory, to edging out to the left to try and cut off the air from an "unHillary" coming into the race and grabbing the 35% of people who are not going to ever be convinced that she is with them.

The Forward Left is then, both the product of, and in part a revolt against Clintonism - and more viscerally a revolt against the Rovism that Clintonism allowed to grow, and in part helped to power by backing Iraq. The signs of the end of the era of Clintonian and Rovian politics point to the rise of the Forward Left simply because it is one of the last ideas standing. 2008 may well be the last gasp of Clintonian politics, but it will be hammered into the ground by the other idea that current haunts American political thinking.

That idea, and the topic for another day, is neo-Reaganism. One might think that neo-Reaganism is absurd, since Bush is, and portrayed, himself as Reagan. But that is the gag, people don't realize that it was precisely the Reaganite elements of Bush's governance that led him to grief. Instead, they remember Reagan because he gave them hope in a bad moment, and then delivered with the last great rebound in the American economic past. Reagan's morning in America really only lasted from late 1983 until mid 1987 - but that four year period has a mythic place in American political lore.

Thus 2008 will see the Republicans nominate someone running as Reagan reborn, and if the Democratic candidate is seen as a Clintonian - who, in American political lore is merely an echo of Reagan - the result will be a defeat at the polls for the Democrats at the very moment when the country in fact, even if they don't know it, is leaving behind the borrow and squander solutions of Reaganism, and probing into the future for solutions which fulfill our need for urgent, sweeping and social solutions.


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I would just add the need to specifically emphasize the economic progressivism of the sort emphasized by Franks whatsa matter kansas, but also by others pointing out not only worsening economic disparity but also economic insecurity and worsening corporatism. Jobs, Wages, worker's rights, workers benefits, fair trade, fair taxes, social security with both caps and lower case, etc.

So we progressives reject both "minimalism" and "top-down" institutions. This isn't a contradiction, but it seriously begs the question of what we do, in fact, stand for. What's our positive, proactive vision for this country, and what are some key policies and programs that communicate and help implement this vision? What about AmeriCorps? Another run at universal health care? Policies that prohibit government from interfering in our personal lives? A comprehensive, goal-oriented national security strategy that recognizes the value of soft power?

So I think the distinction between partisan and ideological is a good one, but the latter remains ill-defined. I for one choose to take the word "progressive" quite literally--belief in progress. For example, Iraq and Bush tax cuts were wrong, not just for "moral" reasons, but because they have had unintended consequences (as some liberal policies have had) and are fundamentally top down from an empirical perspective (e.g. the idea that tax cuts are inherently good is simply not backed up by data). On the other hand, tax breaks for college tuition, diplomatic strategies, are good, not because they are moral per se, but because we think they work.

Progressives want to get things done, they want to move the country forward to better days and make sure voters get what they pay for when they send checks to the IRS.

Excellent post. It is nice to see serious talk of a progressive agenda in the coming period.

One legacy of the Reagan/Clinton years is the unchecked growth of corporate power and nfluence. To my knowledge, few are addressing this directly although the indirect effects are often cited: outsourced jobs to low-labor cost countries, the corrupt lobbying culture of K Street, the health care benefit crisis, tax cuts for the rich including taxation of capital gains, the estate taxwealth disparity, wage stagnation, relocation of corporate headquarters to tax havens, trade imbalances, oil dependency, , etc. The corporate form is not included in the formal constitution, only a legislative legacy from the progressive era and the New Deal to regulate their activities. Direct election of Senators, for example, was in direct response to corporate corruption of democracy as was establishment of the Fair Trade Commission, the Federal Reserve Bank and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Most of those entities have long been captured by the interests they are supposed to regulate, especially the SEC (an entity created to regulate the activities of investors is now the investors' advocate). If we have a new progressive moment coming, I hope that it is not wasted. We need to review our mechanisms for regulating institutional wealth that is not tied to the land, that can move from jurisdiction to jurisdiction in search of favorable legislation, that can amass wealth and power to rival that of states and that is not subject to democratic oversight by the citizenry. Restablishing democratic control over the country and its institutions would truly be the mark of a new epoch.

Stirling, at some juncture I think you ought to consider the "cause" of many of the failures of progressive ideas, namely the "one party south" that has existed really since the first decade of the 19th Century. First it was the gag rules preventing any discourse about slavery, then it was the Civil War, then after reconstruction, it was the One Party Democratic hold that persisted into the 1960's, and had the distinction of side tracking many of TR's ideas, and after the first year of the New Deal, a significant part of FDR's plans. Essentially it was control of the Senate Committees (Single Party elections do, afterall, create Seniority) long time Committee Chairmen, and total control of the Senate Agenda. We now are in the same situation, with the only difference being that Southern Leadership and Committee Chairs are Republicans.

In the 1960's, working for Civil Rights, what we found was a profound inside deal -- the Committee Chairs who dealt with Food and Agriculture, regulation as well as subsidies, were all southerners, and for their support of any food and ag plan not particularly of interest to their states, they extracted promises regarding opposition to any anti-segregationist and any universal welfare program, that might benefit Blacks. To pass the legislation in the 1960's we had to break that system, and it is no accident that the leadership was Humphrey and Dirksen who represented bread basket states and who could lead others from the mid-west and mountain states to denounce the unholy system. But now it is reconstructed yet again in Republican Colors.

Well -- it is a little modified, what with a number of majority minority districts -- but it remains a very well disciplined single party entity which nearly denies the possibility of actual politics being debated. You can't do "progressive" if the old states of the confederacy are set up to preclude civic debate, and always have been, and have been highly successful at the effort.

One reason I fully approve of Howard Dean paying the cost of putting Field Organizers and Party Office Managers into the South, (four in Mississippi I hear) is simply because we need political organization there that can win locally, and perhaps a time or two elect a congressperson in a competitive race, of when the Republican turns out to be corrupt or worse. We need to "eat in" to the solid south with a few more examples of competitive politics -- two party politics -- that could eventually destroy the power base of the one party system that has held hostage progressive reform for two centuries. It would in fact be great progress if neither party had a lock on the South, and no Southern Pol could build so much easy seniority so as to totally control the US Congressional Agenda.

Our whole politics is based on region, state and Geography which can sometimes be slightly adjusted with a Gerrymander. It is a profound reality, and one not normally considered in building political theory -- it needs to be basic. Secondarily we need a clear strategy for making all parts of the country, in part, electorially competitive, which would provide a means for attracting new folk to Progressive ideas.

The implosion of the conservative Big Lie that seems developing, or should be, has another example of hypocrisy.

The release of David Kuo's book "Tempting Faith" will blow open the doors hiding political machinations that exploited the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, at which Kuo was #2. Among other sleaze, including the real meat of targeting 20 races in 2004 (19 were won by GOP), the reports of Rove providing hugs for visiting religious leaders and then referring to them as "ridiculous", "just plain goofy" or simply "the nuts" should cut away at least some of the religious right.

Bush et al were not conservatives, and were not Christian, so what is left? How about venal?

I do wonder at the clash between this portrayal and the others that say Bush is definitely Born-Again, such as his brother Neil saying "George IS the religious right." Does Rove, or Cheney, think of Bush as one of "the nuts"?  

Olberman is covering this. Let us give thanks for Keith O. 

 

Here’s my version .

oops wrong pew. I moved this to the weight of money.

Iraq has pushed up the price of oil, and cost more, than Kyoto would have.

Along with all the other nifty insights in this post, this tidbit caught my attention.  I hadn't thought of this particular comparison.  Wow.  What a concise summary of the priorities and loyalties and frailties of the current administration. 

Tom: I do wonder at the clash between this portrayal and the others that say Bush is definitely Born-Again, such as his brother Neil saying "George IS the religious right." Does Rove, or Cheney, think of Bush as one of "the nuts"?

Great question. And I do think we have a tipping point here. I wonder if these guys are laughing at others they profess to champion? Are they laughing at those poor kids (the fools!) they sent over to Iraq as IED fodder who signed up out of either patriotism or chasing the American dream? Are they laughing at all of us who didn't storm the Bastille while they legalized torture and instituted dictatorial executive power?

(Aside- Stirling, I love your sweeping posts when I have time to read them, but they are difficult to discuss in a forum like this).

I'd hold off gloating over the election until, you know, the election.

Same goes for declaring a major sea change in American politics. Would that be the one that was going to be led by Ned Lamont and is currently down 13 points?

No. This sea change is being led by Mark Foley. And progressives have not hailed Ned Lamont as a leader; just as an alternative to Lieberman. I will take your advice and wait until after the election to gloat but, man, will I gloat.

The 'phants have been gloating about victory in Iraq since before we invaded.


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"I'd hold off gloating over the election until, you know, the election."

Uh huh.

Years from now we'll be calling the 2007 Freshman Congressional class "Foley Babies".

You heard it here first.

-Dave Adams-

Naah, it doesn't have a ring and in any case, if sexual scandal is all that decides elections either party is hanging by a damned thin thread.

I'd say it's more likely that after two years of gleeful overreaching by the rabid Kossack wing (even though Lieberman beat their purest candidate 60-40), we'll be calling the 2008 presidential winner "Rudy."

"Congressional stupidity repeats itself, the first time as the Republicans screwing up royally, the second time as the Democrats not learning from their mistake."

This post provided some excellent food for thought. I've come to believe that what this country needs is something beyond the tired labels of left vs right, progressive vs. conservative. The problems this country faces are much more complex than the simple views of both parties.

Sometimes, after reading some of the comments on both progressive and conservative blog sites, I have this sinking feeling that as this country continues its' gradual slide into mediocrity (a bipartisan process, btw), the left and right would rather fight over the ruins than seriously come to some sort of consensus.

Clinton tried this. His approach in many ways was flawed, but fundamentally, he (and the DLC) had the right idea. The Democrats DID need to change with the times; they DID need to solve new problems with new approaches.

And his approach did have limited success. I know some of the more diehard liberals here might disagree, but he did play a part in reducing the overt hostility people had toward the poor and minorities by reforming welfare. Politically, he took race off the table (notice how race baiting is nowhere near as common as before). He also helped Dems get a growing rep as a fiscally responsible party.

However, he had significant failures as well. First ,his personal style was almost TOO compassionate, too "I feel your pain". When you have opposition who is dead set against you, sometimes you have to know its time to stop talking and kick some @$$. Clinton had too much faith in the rationality of his opponents. He came across as a wimp (at least image wise) in some cases, and this misperception spilled on the rest of the party.

Also, Clinton's appeal and energy seemed more aimed at the socially liberal, economically moderate crowd, which on the surface seem like it is good(and, to be truthful, probably fits the profile of a vast majority here). But the problem is that it leaves out what could be his largest group of the support - the socially moderate, economically populist folks who would normally vote Dem but hesitate because of the perceived emphasis on social liberalism.

On a personal note, I consider myself in this latter group. I have grave reservations about the stands the Democratic party has on some social issues, but I find myself in support of many of the economic issues. This is what makes this election interesting for me as an independent; I think a fresh approach is badly needed, but then I look at who would be chairing the committees and I see the same old tired approach (Pelosi? Conyers? Rangel? C'mon). Of course, if the fine posters here at this site can lay out a case why this is not so, feel free to do so. I'm all ears. In fact, if someone can lay the case why social liberalism is so important to keeping a majority, go for it.

I think the key to a majority in this country is someone who can balance them both.

Whichever party figures this out WILL be the majority party.

"Same old tired approach" is a pretty vague assertion. Could you be more specific about what you fear Democratic leaders like Pelosi would do?

"Naah, it doesn't have a ring and in any case, if sexual scandal is all that decides elections either party is hanging by a damned thin thread."

I suppose the 2004 Republican get-out-the-vote uproar over Gay Marriage doesn't ring a bell? The whole reason this is an issue is that Conservatives made such a big deal about character in the last 4 national elections.

"I'd say it's more likely that after two years of gleeful overreaching by the rabid Kossack wing (even though Lieberman beat their purest candidate 60-40), we'll be calling the 2008 presidential winner 'Rudy.'"

Lets see if I've got this straight: Democrats are over-reaching in predicting Democratic takeover of Congress in three weeks, meanwhile you're predicting that Rudy Giuliani will win the presidency in 2008? Is that it?

-Dave Adams-

Good question! My concerns (and hence, my reluctance) are as follows:

1)Emphasis on social/lifestyle issues over economic ones.

This has been a failing of the party for many years in my opinion. This may not be entirely true, but the perception still remains that the party seems to get worked up more over abortion and gay rights rather than trade or taxes.

I say this because whenever I see debates on Supreme Court Justices, the one litmus test is abortion. It doesn't seem to matter if they are lukewarm to unions, or support free trade over fair trade. No, abortion seems to be the determining factor.

This is what has hurt the party for so long; it has attracted the socially liberal/economic moderates, but ignored the socially moderate/economic populists (such as myself). I still have not seen positive proof that Democrats care about the votes of people like me.

2) Focusing on a few cosmetic, feel good issues (such as increasing the minimum wage) but ignoring the bigger problems (such as comprehensive educational reform.

I'm not saying that the minimum wage is not important, but Dems in the past have shown a reluctance to think big and act big on issues (ever since the 1960s, quite frankly). Clinton was a master at microintiatives, such as the V chip.

I know what some of you are thinking..."Democrats have been out of power for a lot of that time!" True, but in times that they have had both branches of government, what type of big things have they accomplished?

3)Overall tilt of the Congressional leadership- For example, the presumptive chair of the Judiciary, John Conyers, is on record as supporting hearings for reparations for slavery and the impeachment of Bush. The impeachment part I can understand, and in a perfect world, would be appropriate. But reparations? He strikes me as a Don Quixote figure on this one. Also, his ideas and mindset seems stuck in an earlier time. Rangel seems to favor tax increases (instead of looking at overhauling the tax code itself). I'd like to hear talk that goes beyond just raising taxes for once.

I don't hear any talk about true education reform (beyond just allocating more money or hiring more teachers). What about rethinking the very concept of how public education works?

Foreign policy gives me a little more comfort, because there still are a few realist hawks left in the party (Ike Skelton, John Murtha, etc.) But I get the feeling they are a dying breed, and the last thing the party needs to get stamped with the dove brush (what I mean by that is an approach that reflexively opposes any and every war). I'm not saying all Democrats are like this, but they still are a sizable presence (Dept. of Peace, anyone?).

This is why I say 'same old tired' approach. I get the feeling that what has been proposed by the party is pretty much the same approach they had in the 1970s (social liberalism, dovish instincts on military affairs, etc).

Again, this is just perception, and if someone is willing to prove otherwise, I am more than willing to listen.

Sara

You state: One reason I fully approve of Howard Dean paying the cost of putting Field Organizers and Party Office Managers into the South, (four in Mississippi I hear) is simply because we need political organization there that can win locally, and perhaps a time or two elect a congressperson in a competitive race, of when the Republican turns out to be corrupt or worse."

My question is this: Is Dean's Fifty State Strategy having a positive effect on nurturing a grass roots party organization -- especially at the local precinct level? I've have my doubts. Our DFL suffers from "organizational root rot".

Stephen - I notice you are a new user [with no other comments to date] so perhaps you are unaware that if you hit "Reply" under a comment your comment will appear indented under that comment.  In this case if you did that Sara would  know that you have responded to her comment and could  respond to what you have said.

(Fyi - if you add your comment by using "Reply" she would know that you responded by going to her "My Account" and checking the Comments tab.)

I think these are reasonable concerns, especially given your politics. On (1), I'd also like to see emphasis on the economy and foreign policy, but that's precisely what I see in the major Democratic proposals. Abortion isn't a centerpiece as it's been in the past, and in my view it's actually the GOP which's been putting things like this and gay rights/marriage definition on the table. They've gained the most from these issues (until now).

On (2), I'd like to offer my own broad-brushed perspective on economic and foreign policy issues: there are no simple answers, and what we need as a country is open and honest *exploration* and debate on these very serious issues. It's been hard to do this with a GOP message machine dominating the media and GOP leadership preventing debate of many Democratic proposals. There's this tension between putting out detailed, thoughtful proposals, versus a clear, simple message that most voters will understand. For example, I took an introductory economics course as a college student and try to keep up with how different economists think about issues like trade and taxes. It can be pretty complicated stuff, and if I'd never taken that course or never had the time to read up on different debates, I think I'd feel pretty lost when trying to evaluate policy positions on the merits.

So the easiest comprehensive packages to bring to voters are the ones that are ideologically driven--because the answers are based on a few simple principles (e.g. all taxes are bad), and easy to understand, while more practical positions can get drowned out (e.g. maybe *some* taxes are good if they offset inequities that have long-term consequences that markets can't handle). I think its a real serious problem with our debates, and something that's been a drag on the Democratic Party in particular. Here's another example--the stuff about Iraq isn't about being dovish, its about being smart and goal-oriented about foreign policy. Yet listening to Cheney et al, apparently Democrats just want to "appease" terrorists. I mean, really.

So on all of your points, I'd urge you to keep an open mind and (continue to) pay attention what Democratic leaders say they want to accomplish, and why they think its worth accomplishing. And if they win this season, let's see just what kind of tilt they show.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm willing to give the Dems a chance in 3 weeks, but quite frankly, the jury is still out. I know they will provide a much needed breath of fresh air, but the divisions among the Democrats is a source of concern. Which wing will have the most influence? My fear is that we will see more of the same stuff we saw in the 70s and 80s (heavy emphasis on interest group politics for one).

You are correct on taxes. It IS a complex issue, and it's real easy to take the easy way out and frame it as a raise taxes/cut taxes debate, knowing that the truth is more complicated. However, I don't think the answer to our problems is raising income taxes (I haven't confimed this yet, and I'll have to do more research, but I've heard rumblings that the prospective Ways and Means Chairman is talking about across the board tax increases). Rolling back Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy is one thing, but across the board tax increases without the necessary spending cuts is the kiss of death to folks like me (Yes, I believe that it's vital to get out of debt entirely - we don't need to be in thrall to countries like China. If we must raise taxes across the board, then we should be cutting spending across the board. I don't want to see tax increases and then bigger increases in spending).

I am going to see what the Dems propose, and more importantly, do when and if they take Congress.

You're going to wait and see, but are you going to vote? Not voting accepts either party as OK. One can't complain without participating.

Only voting makes a choice.

I'm not a spokesman for the Dem party, but I can tell you that they are absolutely not talking about repealing all of the tax cuts or any kind of across-the-board rise. Everything I've seen out there in the Dem proposals have to do with repealing cuts for the top tier and getting rid of corporate loopholes. They are not at all proposing tax hikes on middle class families.

This is actually a great example of what I was talking about: the bottom line is, what are the net financial burdens being put on middle class families? Federal taxes are only one of many sources. There are state and local taxes, healthcare, college tuition, inflation-adjusted income, etc. So yeah, middle class families may have gotten tax cuts, but how much more are they paying in these other areas? What I see in the Democratic proposal is goal-oriented economic policies that are aimed at helping middle class families and don't introduce inefficiency in the markets that would result in job losses.

As far as spending, one of the major points in their platform is "paygo", no new rises in spending without finding an increase in revenue.

You've made some excellent points, especially with the overall financial burdens that the middle class labors under nowadays. I've always believed that there has been a class war going on since the mid 70s - the wealthy vs. everyone else. Why else would we have an increased cost of living, yet a decrease in spending power?? Adjusted for inflation, the avg. salary is actually less than it was in 1973!

THIS is the money issue - the affordablity of living in today's society. It is getting harder to live the American Dream in the USA of 2006 (no thanks to the middle class-destroying tax cuts we've had). One of my biggest disappointments was to watch so many Senate Democrats vote for Bush's tax cut in 2001. It showed me how out of touch they were. Hopefully, they've learned since then.

You've hit upon a winning idea - sure, you may have tax cuts, but how much of a difference does that tax cut make if everything else is getting more expensive (health care, education, transportation, infrastructure, etc)? In fact, the tax cuts only benefited the top 1%; the rest of us poor souls only got $300 or $600 (Yes, I remember those ridiculous 'from Austin, Texas' tax refund checks in 2002). We may have more money in our pockets, only to turn around and spend even more just to maintain our standard of living.

If the Dems hit this hard, they WILL become a true majority again.

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